Another good article, although it doesn't directly address the Socrates/Plato question, it explains the logical flaws in some of Socrates/Plato's arguments:...
My personal view, at this stage, is that Socrates, in the books recently read (Gorgias, Republic), is indeed a spokesperson for Plato's views; using Socrates,...
Hi all, As I promised Angela ages ago... Pollus' speech in the *Gorgias* is of the sort one may easily pass over or forget quickly, because it is an attempt to...
Thomas - you describe Betty Sichel thus: "She argues for a literary rather than a philosophical approach to Plato (a view that seems to be shared by many on...
R. Lloyd Mitchell
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Nov 1, 2002 5:15 pm
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Thomas, ... using ... prototypes. Some quotes for your collection(s): Benjamin Franklin (Poor Richard's Almanac): Read much, but not many books. John Russon...
Hi, George, thanks for those texts. Since you quote Leo Strauss, I thought it could be interesting to post the beginning of his Essay from The City and Man,...
And here is Bloom's view, quite similar to Strauss' (who was his teacher): Thomas "The Platonic dialogues do not present a doctrine; they prepare the way for ...
Still another view (more traditional) on the question, by Richard Kraut, in his Socrates article in The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy: "But it is...
Thomas, ... Well, then, it seems, if we're in the business of citing texts of commentaries which either overtly or in a pretending way, want to tell us how to...
Another important insight from Strauss' The City and the man: "The Platonic dialogue presents a conversation in which a man converses with one or more men more...
Hello George, ... Yes, and why does he do that? Do you think it has something to do with what Pollus says about Gorgias? ... "argument" ... building-block ... ...
Hello Thomas, Thomas wrote (quoting Strauss): [snip] ... teaching, ... life ... do not ... Socrates tells ... that the ... I have not studied Strauss, and so...
Hello Angela, ... Yes, Thomas quotes Strauss. But, Thomas, it seems that you don't want to discuss with Strauss. Why not? He doesn't bite. ... That's neither...
Hello Angela, ... No. -- As Socrates says straightforwardly (ahem! --;)), Pollus didn't answer the question, which was (ahem!!) simple enough: what is Gorgias?...
Hello George, George Gregory wrote: [quote from Strauss] ... life as a ... Socrates' ... [Angela] ... I don't subscribe to that view, but is there not a...
... In all of his dialogues Plato says everything. Hence, we can know from them what he thought. ... Point blank: allegiance to this sentiment appears to be on...
Thomas H. Chance
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Nov 4, 2002 4:07 am
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Hi Angela, George There is one thing in this thread that niggles me and I want to ask. Are we to take it as given that no one possesses or can possess...
We can consider Aristotle's testimony as to what Plato thought, and then find in Plato's writings echoes of Aristotle's claims which may appear to confirm or...
Don Paarlberg
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Nov 4, 2002 11:45 am
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Don - You are right: one would think that having been a member of the Academy, in Plato's company, for over 17 years, Aristotle would have had access to...
Lloyd Mitchell
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Nov 4, 2002 12:30 pm
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... [snip] ... The second statement does not seem (to me anyway) to follow necessarily from the first. I would think one can read the dialogues, hold the...
... From: "Mr. Christopher Planeaux, ... Here it is in full: Plato writing about the idea of a philosophical digest of his doctrines (such a digest, although...
... And Epistle ii 314a-314c? ... It appears to me once again that Plato does have a doctrine, but for paedagogical reasons hides it behind Socrates' name. ...
Hello Angela, ... There would be a contradiction if Strauss had written that the dialogues tell us to live as Socrates lived, but he didn't write that. I see...
Thomas, commenting on the passage from the 7th Letter, 341e: "So...Plato does have views and just wants us to get there the hard way." I would suggest: not the...
R. Lloyd Mitchell
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Nov 4, 2002 10:01 pm
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... From: "R. Lloyd Mitchell" ... There are a few geniuses that could get it with just an outline of his doctrine, if he would ever write it: "But were I to...
... I agree with Christopher here, and I would like to ask Tom Chance to elucidate on his statement that "in all of his dialogues Plato says everything". If...
Hello Paul, ... gift ... I agree with you absolutely. Of course it is possible for any one of us to possess such a gift. The only thing I would like to stress...
Hello George, George Gregory wrote: [snip] ... order to ... with the ... texts. ... gift or ... Plato's ... matter ... so. The ... babbling ... live. In ... ...
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