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[plato] Dialogues Query

George Gregory writes [in part]:

>> .....................How do you know that Plato's
>> works were performed outside the Academy for a wider
>> public? (One example would not be sufficient, I would
>> think.) Is there any external evidence of this sort?
>> May be, but I can't imagine how you could provide such
>> documentation and I can't imagine what sort of evidence
>> it might be based on.

Themistios writes of a Korinthian farmer who, upon reading
the *Gorgias*, abandoned his fields to become a follower
of Platon as well as of a Axiothea who, upon reading
the *Republic*, came from Arkadia to become a follower
of Platon (Or. Xxii 295c-d; cf. D.L. iii 46, iv 2).

Cicero records that Hermodoros carried Platon's writings
to Sicily whereas the Suda adds that he made money by
selling them (Att. Xiii 21; s.v. LO/GOISIN).

Now, as to whether or not reading = performing I leave
as another discussion altogether (we do have, nonetheless
those two anecdotes of Platon reading the *Lysis* to
Sokrates, who retorted about all the lies Platon told
as well as the one where Platon read the *Phaedo* and only
Aristoteles remained until the bitter end).

csp



Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:56 am

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I know that some on this list have doubts about the early/middle/late ("developmental"/Vlastos) classification of Plato's dialogues (as I do), and have various...
Williams, Frank
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I tend to agree with 1-4, but there is stylometric evidence that is difficult to gainsay. The most persuasive for me is the avoidance of terminal hiatus. This...
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Jun 23, 2009
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Stylometric evidence is not at all difficult to gainsay, because it is based on a set of basic assumptions concerning how to read Plato (or about how Plato is...
George Gregory
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Jun 23, 2009
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... But what if the dialogues were presented as oral documents, to be read aloud at dramatic festivals (argued persuasively by Ryle in "Plato's Progress") as...
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... documents, ... Ryle in "Plato's ... among the ... for ... aural ... I don't know Ryle's reasoning. -- Perhaps you could elaborate a bit on it. I wouldn't...
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Jun 24, 2009
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... Themistios writes of a Korinthian farmer who, upon reading the *Gorgias*, abandoned his fields to become a follower of Platon as well as of a Axiothea who,...
Planeaux, Christopher S
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Hello Christopher, Thank you. -- So there was a "publication" outside the Academy, and Plato's dialogues were even sold. Good. How shall we deal with "lies,"...
George Gregory
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Jun 27, 2009
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Planeaux, Christopher S wrote: "Now, as to whether or not reading = performing I leave as another discussion altogether (we do have, nonetheless those two...
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