George says, ... Well, in my case, having "read the book" doesn't mean all that much. Much I read is not clear, and much I seem to understand fails to find...
Omar Rumi
omarrumi2001@...
Oct 2, 2001 8:32 pm
818
George, Geo G: >"Or is it a 'noble lie' that Socrates ever told the story we have as the Republic"? We have discussed this in depth over the years, and I have...
Omar Rumi
omarrumi2001@...
Oct 2, 2001 8:32 pm
819
Please check my reading. To me it also seems that Cephelos says the greatest good he gets is hope. Socrates seems to be the untruthful one who pretends that...
100761.200@...
Oct 2, 2001 8:32 pm
820
Dear Omar, Yahoo appears to be having a glitchy period. I have received your messages twice, but I have yet to receive my own replies. George...
gregory@...
Oct 3, 2001 7:30 am
821
Display all headers From: <gregory@...> To: Omar Rumi <omarrumi2001@...> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:07:09 +0200 Subject: Re: Banned Poets...
gregory@...
Oct 3, 2001 7:37 am
822
George, I agree there is some glitch in the Yahoo management, and so I will send two separate copies, first one to you, and next another to the plato-republic...
Omar Rumi
omarrumi2001@...
Oct 3, 2001 10:34 am
823
Omar, ... It seems to be ok at the moment. ... Ach, Omar! -- You lead me into great temptation, and, being a glutton for punishment, I'll succumb. ... Please...
gregory@...
Oct 3, 2001 3:08 pm
824
Hi George Sorry to take so long in replying – job demands ,,, My yahoo email is not what it should be so I will move away from the normal snip and insert...
archie tass
archietass@...
Oct 4, 2001 12:40 am
825
Hi George snip ... Seems we are also about to grab Meno's paradox at that point! ... On that question we have a string with two ends either of which could be ...
b oates
OATESBILL1@...
Oct 4, 2001 12:40 pm
826
I prefer to think that Cephalus was concerned about what was going on in his house and who was influencing his children. He had Socrates brought to his house...
bmizock@...
Oct 4, 2001 6:52 pm
827
Hi Bernie ... While you may prefer to think well of Kephalus.I am not in agreement with this assessment of Kephalus. So we need to go to the text and see what...
b oates
OATESBILL1@...
Oct 4, 2001 11:30 pm
828
Hi Bill Cephalus says:"So do please spend some time with these young men" (328d). I think it likely that Cephalus wanted Polemarchus to bring Socrates home, to...
bmizock@...
Oct 5, 2001 2:34 am
829
Hi Bernie Kephalus has asked Sokrates to visit him and entertain him with the sort of speeches that he and a few others would enjoy listening to, if it were...
b oates
OATESBILL1@...
Oct 5, 2001 12:39 pm
830
Hi Bill, I'll be snipping a bit. ... own ... There are many features of Socrates' story which are spoken as if to an audience which has immediate and...
gregory@...
Oct 6, 2001 7:25 am
831
Hello Archie, ... I sympathize. ... Yes, I can see where you are looking. -- Your pointing to 533a is remarkable (in German, "merkwuerdig," worthy of note). I...
gregory@...
Oct 6, 2001 7:25 am
832
Hi George ... One might speculate that Plato never really imagined that his works would be read by an audience who did not know the famous father of Cephalus...
b oates
OATESBILL1@...
Oct 10, 2001 1:09 pm
833
In a message dated 10/5/01 5:48:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ... Hi Bill I will show my ignorance here, but at the time of that meeting, would not Polemarchus...
bmizock@...
Oct 10, 2001 5:02 pm
834
... Hi Bill I will show my ignorance here, but at the time of that meeting, would not Polemarchus and his brothers and friends be at risk of going to war? Is...
bmizock@...
Oct 10, 2001 7:57 pm
835
... Athens...others on ... No correction, but a precision: Lysias, Against Eratosthenes, 12.4. It is Cephalus who is said to have been invited, by none other...
gwr5@...
Oct 11, 2001 5:58 am
836
... Thanks, I'm very glad to see you active in this forum and have the chance to prolong our conversation. As for the issue of Spartan vs. Athenian political...
gwr5@...
Oct 13, 2001 8:41 pm
837
Hi Bill, 10.10.01 15:09:18, "b oates" <OATESBILL1@...> wrote: [snipping my stuff at the lead] ... I'm losing track of threads somewhat, so maybe a few...
gregory@...
Oct 14, 2001 1:36 pm
838
Hi Greg, ... I am eager to see a copy. I'm very ... I'm afraid Bks VI and VII will have to wait until I finish my own opus. I had originally intended to work...
gregory@...
Oct 15, 2001 8:58 pm
839
Ciao y'all, For as long as I can remember, all my life in fact, I have loved reading footnotes, but Paul Shorey may have cured me of the habit. After reading...
Hi Bob ... (I am still working at convincing you to read the Greek!! It is an investment that pays dividends the rest of your life. For me the biggest was I...
Hi George and Greg ... Some further considerations about the noble lie. There are two stories that go into the noble lie: first the story of Cadmus (retold...
Hi George ... And so this also becomes part of the construction we can perceive, what is missing as a contemporary audience need would already know it; but...
Hi George and Greg Sorry if this is duplicated. I have had some small trouble with my email and had to ask archie to forward one earlier. ... Some further...
Dear listmembers, this is to inform you that my site on Plato and his dialogues, which used to be at http://phd.evansville.edu/plato.htm has now relocated in a...
Bernard SUZANNE
bernard.suzanne@...
Oct 24, 2001 8:36 am
845
... You make a good point about the differing thrusts of the two stories. One suggests equality, the other the opposite. I don't think the two are fatally in...
Hi Greg et all Your work on the dynamic duo A&G is quite interesting to me as I gave a presentation on Monday about the metal souls in Plato and dealt with the...
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