Hello, I am a new member and I notice that the postings have rather dwindled of late. This is, no doubt, due to the summer vacation. If any of the older...
I haven't read Rosen on this, but one passage that tends (ironically) to support that interpretation (does Rosen emphasize it?) is Bk 7, 541a. Sending...
... you mean "political", don't you? ... The fact that an "ideal" is not reachable doesn't mean it is useless and that, because we cannot fully implement it,...
Bernard SUZANNE
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Sep 15, 2005 5:51 am
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Hi, Where in Plato do you suggest I read to study Plato's understanding of the Good? Are there key points in one particular or several dialogues, or is there...
reggie johnson
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Sep 15, 2005 1:45 pm
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... Plato didn't write his dialogues to tell the world what HIS opinions or "theories" were. He didn't want readers to read the to search what HE thought on...
Bernard SUZANNE
bernard.suzanne@...
Sep 16, 2005 6:35 am
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Thanks so much! Although I had not considered it when asking my question, I agree with what you say with regard to the mining of the dialogues to discover...
reggie johnson
romanphil@...
Sep 16, 2005 12:42 pm
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... I think you are correct on this point. The fact that the kallipolis, or perhaps logopolis, can be shown to be achievable IN PRINCIPLE yet highly unlikely...
... From: "Brian Gonzalez" <briarboy@...> ... If the project of the Republic was to learn about justice in the soul by examining justice in the city...
... It seems to me that the phrase "impossible ideal" is a redundancy. Ideals that are possible are called plans. The phrase, however, rolls easily off the...
... (ironically) to support that interpretation (does Rosen emphasize it?) is Bk 7, 541a. Sending everyone over 10 yrs old away, etc., is preposterous; it...
Hello Brian, I would like the take up your question and remarks, and revive the question of the form of the *Republic*. It seems to me that consideration of...
HI George Good to see you alive and kicking up the republic list. And even the presence of J! Your thoughts of the form of the Republic mesh in some ways with...
Dear George, Why do you call the thoughtless readers you describe below "Plato's." I thought Plato's readers were those who provided the means for Socrates to...
Dear J, ... I suppose that you have not always thought so, or that you have not always been able to think so. Yours is a good articulation of a beautiful...
Dear George, I do hope we hear back from Brian! ... Surely not. ... Again, not. ... Had I the power to close that gap! In friendly conversations I try to be ...
Hi Bill, ... Due to the simple struggle for survival, which eats away at available time, I have not yet put the final wrapping on a rather large opus that ...
Dear J, ... So do I! I'd like to reply somewhat selectively. ... I suspect we are each addressing something in the same ballpark. -- I seems that the...
Hello all. I have decided to read the republic as an introduction to philosophy. In the early part of the dialogue Socrates gets Cephalos to agree that Justice...
... "A man might return a deposit unwillingly and from fear, and then he must not be said either to do what is just or to act justly, except in an incidental...
Thomas H. Chance
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Feb 27, 2006 5:23 am
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Our "responsability" (in the sense expresed by Socrates in the Republic) is to do the best for the polis. The concept of "everyone is responsable of his own...
Hello Phil ... Socrates says justice is not telling the truth. and giving to ... Well, Socrates tells a story about his assertion to Cephalus that everyone...
Hello all, and thankyou for your replies. I like the idea of reading Cephalus as some kind of proto-christian. My understanding now is that if we see Cephalus...
Hi Phil, ... Please, no apologies. The more basic, the better. Which means, if you would like to do it, reading the text, line by line. Question what the text...
Phil, My suggestions are (sort of) along the lines of George G, i.e. that you/we should consider what Soc might have been intending to accomplish by his...
Hello Phil et al I am curious about why you like the idea of reading Kephalus as a some kind of proto-Christian. What on earth is a proto-Christian? (for that...
Hi Frank Thanks for the suggestion on what Plato might be doing. I appreciate that. Hi George I've some comments on your comments below and thought this would...
Frank Just curious - do you think Sokrates presents himself as having intended to get Ceph to retire from the conversation? Regardless of the self presentation...
Bill, I'm not so sure about Socrates intending to get Cephalus to retire; more likely he was just attempting to turn the conversation toward considerations of...
Hi Frank Hm - this just puzzles me more - Plato portrays Sokrates portraying himself as attempting to turn a conversation to a more overtly philosophical...
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