Mitchell, I think that you are right in suggesting that this dialogue is a poem. And I think you ask a very good question with regard to it: How should we...
R.L. JOHNSON
romanphil@...
Aug 2, 2003 4:28 am
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... De : "R.L. JOHNSON" ... And ... It is obvious that Plato uses an imitative style in the dialogues, since Socrates and his partners' words are expressed in...
Here is Daryl Rice's take on the subject (in his Guide to Plato's Republic): "You might object that Plato does not follow his own rule. If he is so wary of...
Bloom has another idea, that Plato would be creating a form of philosophical super-poetry, superior to Homer's: "The poet is unable to imitate the best kind of...
Leo Strauss sees it in much the same way as his former student Allan Bloom, in The City and Mand, and I think that they both have a great insight: "The genuine...
Perhaps your question should be revised a little: how should we understand THIS poem? Which may be rather different from how to understand others that lack...
Thomas, ... I have written on this subject, so I suggest that your raising this sort of boogey-man question to me in particular reveals that you did not read ...
George Gregory
gregory@...
Aug 3, 2003 6:34 pm
2350
I am pleased to announce the creation of two new slow reading lists -- for Plato's Lysis (plato-lysis@yahoogroups.com) and Plato's Philebus ...
I will be away from internet access from August 10 until August 17 (I will be vacationing in a cottage on the shore of the Black Sea in Sarpi -- about 130 km....
This invitation pertains to two different groups. One is the plato-phaedo list, the other is a list called philosophy2. Both are groups that existed in the...
Debra Nails, in her *The People of Plato*, suggests (p. 325) that the Republic is a "prosopographically scrambled" dialogue, i.e. there is no discoverable...
Hello everybody, while not an academic on the subject I am beginning to study philosophy (again - I attended two years at university but due to moving to...
Hi, merry Christmas to you all! I have just returned to the plato lists since I am now 'retired' in Thailand and can take up study of philosophy for myself and...
It has been a while since this group has been active, it seems. I thought maybe I could throw something out there for us to play with, especially since I'm...
Hello jwc X 2 + 25, ... Maybe it just needs a kick like yours to wake it up. I ... Have you posed these questions to earlier books in the dialogue? -- Your...
George Gregory
gregory@...
Feb 16, 2004 8:23 pm
2358
... Greetings! ... Hmm. We might have to. But I suppose for now, the particular problem that I'm curious about is the exile of the poets. ... I guess we...
One teeny additional possibility: the invitation at 607d for the defenders to "speak in prose on poetry's behalf." Which a good many folks, beginning with...
Says John C. - I guess we should define precisely what is meant by "face-value" and take it from there. And I'm guessing that the "face-value" approach to the...
Lloyd Mitchell
RMITCHELL@...
Feb 17, 2004 1:31 am
2361
... I don't think that's quite a fair comparison. For Socrates wasn't only a fictional character, whereas Ishmael, Quequeg and Ahab (as far as we know) had no...
John - Can you give me any reason for saying: And I might have problems with the comparison of the dialogues with the modern novel. -? It would seem to me that...
Lloyd Mitchell
RMITCHELL@...
Feb 17, 2004 3:08 am
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Thanks for your reply. :) ... It's one thing to say it is closer to one form than another; it's another to say because we can't equate the author's voice with...
Hello John, I was stealing time from work and wrote a little thing on a later message in the flurry you have unleashed, but I haven't seen it cycle through to...
I believe this email was inadvertently sent directly to me rather than the list. So I'll just forward it back into the mix: Originally posted by "George...
Thank you for your reply. Excellent points. :) ... Well, the simple answer is yes, but as you say... ... Good question. We might "guess" that they would ...
Thanks for your reply, George. ... I think there was some mix-up, but it should be back in the loop now. ... Hmmm. The general answer to that one may take us...
Hello John, Boiling things down... ... What, then, would be an adequate defense? They way I read it (read it, not interpret for now) is that the defense is...
Hello John, I see you cycled my earlier message onto the list: thank you. It is the first time that I replied to a yahoo message and it reached the person ...
Wow! these responses are getting big! Thank you. ... I really like this possibility, but I'm gonna have to insist that it's more interpretation than pure ...
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