"And at this point he would infer and conclude that this it is that provides the seasons and the courses of the year and presides over all things in the ...
So here, would you say, Thomas, is where justice lies - or, to put it slightly differently, where the just man's mind needs to be turned to if he is to be...
... he ... The intellectual contemplation of the idea of good is necessary "to act wisely in private or public," and of course, to be just. But justice has ...
Thomas I didn't say that justice is the Good, as you seem to be suggesting I said by your answer. What I said - or tried to say - is that justice, in the...
... From: "Paul Waters" ... As ... in ... unless ... This centering of the truth on the self is very modern, and has nothing to do with ancient Greece....
I notice that, as usual, you skip the pesky bits of my original message that might actually make you think. ... I don't know what this means? Do you? I was...
Well let's look more closely... ... Now what do you mean by this? I can only suppose that you refer here to popular relativism of the "my truth is as good as...
... From: "Paul Waters" ... to ... Well that's what I was saying: such an idea is totally alien to any ancient Greek philosopher. The first ancient who had a...
... An impersonal self, where all have the same true knowledge. Haven't you noticed, that Trasymachus, as he has been dragged out of the lower levels of the...
... In fact the complete inscription at the temple in Delphi was: “Know yourself and you will know the universe and the gods” This puts the "know yourself"...
One more time. As far as I can understand you at all, you seem to be confusing the object of knowledge ("truth") with the process of getting to know that...
You're arguing with your own undefined definition of "self", not with anything I've said to you. See my earlier post. Who's talking about "self-discovery" or...
... From: "Paul Waters" ... anyone ... Yes, but when the final result is achieved: my knowledge = your knowledge: there is no difference anymore. The...
Why can't the projectionists be trusted? Maybe some should be and others shouldn't be. Frank W ... From: Thomas Yes, it's cold down there, so they needed a...
Williams, Frank
Frank.Williams@...
Mar 1, 2003 10:10 pm
1917
Those Greeks - a bunch of them, at least - believed that something survived death and went to Hades (or some such place), and that something had the memories...
Williams, Frank
Frank.Williams@...
Mar 1, 2003 10:15 pm
1918
... From: "Williams, Frank" < ... shouldn't be. ... Yes once the philosopher-king is allowed to rule, he will use "noble lies" to maintain the separation...
... From: "Williams, Frank" Those Greeks - a bunch of them, at least - believed that something survived death and went to Hades (or some such place), and that...
""But our present argument indicates," said I, "that the true analogy for this indwelling power DUNAMIS in the soul and the instrument ORGANON whereby each of...
... the sign that they are still feverish. This analysis of one's soul, by expressing one's *own* views is like a medical cure, and once the soul is cured,...
Thomas You assemble a disparate putrefying collection of body-parts and call it an argument. Then you quote yourself out of context. Then you quote Bloom out ...
The DUNAMIS of thought (PHRONESAI) is a divine virtue that can be turned towards the wrong objects: being very good at figuring out the objects inside of the...
You do not understand, so instead of actually trying to think about why you do not understand, you pull around the translation so that it conforms to your own...
Strangely enough, Socrates explains that there is a danger in knowing the Forms, it's so wonderful, that the philosophers can become addicted to it. So they...
It strikes me that there is a lot of forcing involved here, both out of the cave and back in: Out of the cave: 515c: "When one was freed from his fetters and...
The return to the cave is based on a rotating schedule: the philosophers are allowed long vacations up above in the sun: "Will our alumni, then, disobey us...
Why study mathematics? "Would you, then, have us proceed to consider how such men may be produced in a state and how they may be led upward to the light even...
[Because I'm in a process of moving to France (and will have very little free time in the coming months), this will be my last posting for a while. I plan to...
Thomas - Au reviens et bon voyage. You have certainly left us with enough to try to digest if, as I would certainly hope, there may be those among us inclined...
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