http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/30/entertainment/la-et-quick-20100730

Quick Takes: Anne Rice quits Christianity
July 30, 2010

Anne Rice has had a religious conversion: She's no longer a Christian.

The 68-year-old author wrote Wednesday on her Facebook page that she refuses
to be "anti-gay … anti-feminist" and "anti-artificial birth control."

She added that "In the name of … Christ, I quit Christianity and being
Christian. Amen."

Her publisher, Alfred A. Knopf, confirmed Thursday that the posting was by
Rice.

Rice is best known for "Interview With a Vampire" and other gothic novels.
Raised as a Catholic, she had rejected the church early in her life, but
renewed her faith in recent years and in 2008 released the memoir "Called
Out of Darkness: A Spiritual Confession."

—Associated Press


Excerpt from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice
Exit from Christianity

On July 29, 2010, Anne publicly renounced her dedication to her Roman
Catholic faith, yet remaining committed to Christ, on her Facebook page
stating;

"For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a
Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being
“Christian” or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me
to “belong” to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly
infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My
conscience will allow nothing else."
[16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice#cite_note-15>

following the post a few hours after with

“As I said below, I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ,
I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be
anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be
anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be
anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian.
Amen.” [17] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice#cite_note-16>

She reaffirmed her faith in Christ with a lack of faith in Christianity an
hour or so later with the following post

"My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic
atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a
universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me. But
following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely
more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what
Christianity is, has been, or might become."
[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice#cite_note-17>


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As of July 30, 2010 – P137Million in CAP Educational Plan benefits are yet to be
claimed.

CAP Head Office (Makati): 74M
CAP Pampanga: 12M
CAP La Union: 5M
CAP Batangas: 8M
CAP Tugegarao: 10M
CAP Cebu (Visayas): 13M
CAP Davao (Mindanao): 13M

If you know of a planholder who has already filed a claim, let him go to
http://cap.com.ph/education to check if he has an unclaimed check.

For those who have not filed a claim yet, go to the CAP office nearest you or
email to cap1@....

Please help us spread the word that checks are available for the planholders'
tuition benefits.

Thank you.

If I read another post from these ca2020 bastards I will ask my
friendly neighborhood Al Quaeda suicide bomber to pay them a
once-in-a-lifetime visit.

Nice!

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/08/12/10/jesus-tweets

I hope our local atheists/freethinkers can also get media coverage. I
think our numbers are growing. People may need more awareness.

My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from home
and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My wife is an
atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism from her friends
and from church officials.
And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.
In New Zealand  the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living in a
new place.
My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said to
me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will not be
bound to their beliefs because they say I should"
I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here in
our region.
Best wishes to all. Pete

She is a very brave woman.  Most Filipinos have been brainwashed in religion
from childhood.  I really would like to know how she came out of it.

Pinoy Heathen

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, prlures@... <prlures@...> wrote:

From: prlures@... <prlures@...>
Subject: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 4:02 PM







 









       My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends
from home and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My
wife is an atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism from
her friends and from church officials.

And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.

In New Zealand  the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living in a
new place.

My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said to
me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will not be
bound to their beliefs because they say I should"

I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here in
our region.

Best wishes to all. Pete

























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She really is courageous to stand up for her non-belief. Why not ask her to join
our forums where she can let off some steam? :)

www.filipinofreethinkers.org

Also, you can get her to check out the New Zealand Association of Rationalists
and Humanists

http://www.nzarh.org.nz/





________________________________
From: "prlures@..." <prlures@...>
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 7:02:06 AM
Subject: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!


My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from home
and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My wife is an
atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism from her friends
and from church officials.
And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.
In New Zealand  the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living in a
new place.

My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said to
me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will not be
bound to their beliefs because they say I should"
I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here in
our region.
Best wishes to all. Pete




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Hurray for Individualism.

--- On Fri, 8/13/10, PnoyHthn <nftrading2003@...> wrote:


From: PnoyHthn <nftrading2003@...>
Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 8:28 AM


 



She is a very brave woman.  Most Filipinos have been brainwashed in religion
from childhood.  I really would like to know how she came out of it.

Pinoy Heathen

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, prlures@... <prlures@...> wrote:

From: prlures@... <prlures@...>
Subject: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 4:02 PM

 

My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from home
and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My wife is an
atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism from her friends
and from church officials.

And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.

In New Zealand the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the Filipinos
living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living in a new place.

My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said to
me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will not be
bound to their beliefs because they say I should"

I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here in
our region.

Best wishes to all. Pete

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I like to hear her story? Was she from religious family? What does she work?
Sent from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: eduardo barot <eduardobarot@...>
Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:10:47
To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!

 
Hurray for Individualism.

--- On Fri, 8/13/10, PnoyHthn <nftrading2003@...> wrote:


From: PnoyHthn <nftrading2003@...>
Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 8:28 AM


 



She is a very brave woman.  Most Filipinos have been brainwashed in religion
from childhood.  I really would like to know how she came out of it.

Pinoy Heathen

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, prlures@... <prlures@...> wrote:

From: prlures@... <prlures@...>
Subject: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 4:02 PM

 

My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from home
and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My wife is an
atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism from her friends
and from church officials.

And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.

In New Zealand the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the Filipinos
living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living in a new place.

My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said to
me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will not be
bound to their beliefs because they say I should"

I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here in
our region.

Best wishes to all. Pete

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Brave woman indeed! Yah, might be more relieving for her if she could join
this and/or the FF (www.filipinofreethinkers.org) forum. Im also as
interested to know her story for becoming one.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:22 AM, John <harmless168@...> wrote:

>
>
> She really is courageous to stand up for her non-belief. Why not ask her to
> join
> our forums where she can let off some steam? :)
>
> www.filipinofreethinkers.org
>
> Also, you can get her to check out the New Zealand Association of
> Rationalists
> and Humanists
>
> http://www.nzarh.org.nz/
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "prlures@... <prlures%40xtra.co.nz>"
<prlures@...<prlures%40xtra.co.nz>
> >
> To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 7:02:06 AM
>
> Subject: [pinoy_atheists] My wife is a brave lady !!!
>
> My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from
> home
> and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My wife
> is an
> atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism from her
> friends
> and from church officials.
> And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.
> In New Zealand the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
> Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living
> in a
> new place.
>
> My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said
> to
> me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will
> not be
> bound to their beliefs because they say I should"
> I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here
> in
> our region.
> Best wishes to all. Pete
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Kudos to the wife Pete.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:02 AM, prlures@... <prlures@...>wrote:

>
>
> My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from
> home and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My
> wife is an atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism
> from her friends and from church officials.
> And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.
> In New Zealand the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
> Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living
> in a new place.
> My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said
> to me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will
> not be bound to their beliefs because they say I should"
> I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here
> in our region.
> Best wishes to all. Pete
>
>
>


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Hats off to your wife. =) You are fortunate to have one another. I hope she
finds true friends, those who will accept her for who she is. Many of us here
can only dream of doing what she did. May the both you never give up hope. =)



--- In pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
wrote:
>
> Kudos to the wife Pete.
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:02 AM, prlures@... <prlures@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from
> > home and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My
> > wife is an atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism
> > from her friends and from church officials.
> > And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.
> > In New Zealand the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
> > Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living
> > in a new place.
> > My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said
> > to me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will
> > not be bound to their beliefs because they say I should"
> > I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here
> > in our region.
> > Best wishes to all. Pete
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks Matthew,
\
I'm very proud of her :-)

Matthew Munoz wrote:
> Kudos to the wife Pete.
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:02 AM, prlures@... <prlures@...>wrote:
>
>
>> My wife is a Filipina living here in New Zealand. She has many friends from
>> home and is deeply involved in the Filipino community in this country. My
>> wife is an atheist and as you can imagine has to endure a lot of criticism
>> from her friends and from church officials.
>> And yet she is not afraid to take a stand and speak her mind.
>> In New Zealand the churches seem to have a very big influence upon the
>> Filipinos living here, the churches seem to take advantage of Pinoy living
>> in a new place.
>> My wife has been rejected by many of her friends for her views but she said
>> to me "Darling, that is their choice, I still offer my friendship but I will
>> not be bound to their beliefs because they say I should"
>> I salute my wife, please give her your support as she is a lone voice here
>> in our region.
>> Best wishes to all. Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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Interesting article.  ^_^


*
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*Why Christians Make Bad Stock
Traders<http://www.guerillastocktrading.com/stock-trading/why-christians-make-ba\
d-stock-traders>
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If you’ve been trading long enough, you’ve no doubt met newbie Christians
who are in the stock market. They’ve got this twisted habit of praying and
hoping when they are down in a position.

A trader buddy of mine comes to mind.

He bought E-Trade a couple of weeks ago. A week later, he was up in E-Trade
about 5%. He wanted bigger gains so he held on. The stock fell 15% in one
day on him. It happened in after hours trading due to a bad press release.

I asked him what he was going to do now. He said he was going to pray/hope
for a bounce at market open in order to exit.

I told him he needed to exit immediately. I warned him that a lot of traders
were in the exact same sinking boat that he was: being trapped in the stock
because they don’t trade in the after hours market. Therefore, the stock was
likely to drop further in the morning.

Did he listen? Of course not. My friend has deep seeded ego issues.

I even got in his face and said, “Look! Save the praying and hoping for
Church on Sundays. This is the stock market. You need to be striving to
think as clearly as possible about the reality of the situation at any given
point in time. Not some fantasy notion of how you are going to control
reality because you think you have a better relationship with God than
everybody else. If you want to pray, go be a preacher or something. If you
want to trade, be a trader.”

He still didn’t listen at market open. E-Trade fell another 25% the next
day.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Christians suck as stock traders. The


temptation is too great for them to fall back into the “praying” and
“hoping” trap. The idea is to never put yourself into a position that you
have to “pray” or “hope” that your stock is going to go higher in the first
place. If your break with reality is so great that you wake up and find
yourself praying that your stock is going to go higher, that is a key signal
that you should sell and take a loss as quickly as possible.

It’s funny how silly Christian traders are. If you really want to have fun
with a Christian trader, tell him, “The Bible says, ‘Money is the root of
all evil.’ So if God hates money so much so that He calls it the “root of
all evil”, then why would He help you make more of it? In fact, wouldn’t God
view you as evil for desiring evil so much that you would ask Him to help
you in the stock market?”

Bottom line. Divine intervention will never come. Praying to God is a wasted
exercise. Just get out!


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Jennings Bryan



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Anyone want to buy NUSKIN products?  Hehehe...

It's really good for your atheist's skins.  ^_^

With regards abundance, yup, true, it helps to look at the world thinking
there is abundance.  I think it is a step in the right direction to get more
and more people into trying their hands out at entrepreneurship.  But, you
CA2020 guys have to dial down on the spamming.







On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:09 PM, nante.aranda <nante.aranda@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear Friend,
>
> We would like to share to you some of the lessons and practices our
> Business School teaches:
>
> ON LEADERSHIP:
> 1. Lead with Purpose, commit yourself to your Mission.
> 2. Once committed, never alter your commitment until you have achieved
> it.
> 3. Create clear operating standards, and live by them.
> 4. Create clear operating standards, and commit to them.
> 5. Surround yourself with people who believe in your Mission.
> 6. Surround yourself with people who are committed to your Mission.
> 7. Surround yourself with people who believe in your standards.
> 8. Surround yourself with people who are committed to your standards.
> 9. Surround yourself with people who are committed to your results.
> 10. Surround yourself with people who are faithful to their commitments.
>
> OUR STANDARDS:
> 1. Learn how to produce results with little or no capital.
> 2. Learn how to produce results with little or no information.
> 3. Learn how to produce results with little or no experience.
> 4. Learn how to produce results with little or no likelihood of success.
> 5. Learn how to do the impossible.
> 6. Learn how to inspire people without money, without motivation,
> without options.
> 7. Learn how to manage people without making them wrong.
> 8. Learn how to communicate your Dreams, Vision, Purpose, and Mission so
> that 90 percent of the people who you share it with will buy into it. Do
> not spend any time on the 10 percent who don't.
> 9. Learn how to replicate your successes and rise above your failures.
> 10. Learn how to become a world-class Leader you can be proud of.
>
> We invite you to be one of the 15 new apprentices who will become
> multi-millionaires from zero using the Art and Science of Leverage. If
> you are interested, send me a text message with your name, occupation
> and reasons why you want to join our Business School and I will reserve
> you a seat to our free Wealth Course where you can learn the details of
> our Program.
>
> To learn more, you can login and register on our exclusive website
> www.ca2020.net <http://www.ca2020.net/> and be with successful and
> business-minded people.
>
> Thank you very much for your time.
>
> For your abundance,
>
> Create Abundance Team
> Nante Aranda
> 0915-6754757
> 050-504 7178(UAE)
> www.ca2020.net <http://www.ca2020.net/>
> www.iloveabundance.com
>
> Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a
> thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved. –William
> Jennings Bryan
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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This is an interesting read.  Found it at:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/eradication.htm
The Fall of Islam

by: Ali Sina

Islam: The Religion of Poverty

The greatest gift of Islam to its followers is poverty. All Islamic
countries with the exception of those that have oil are poor. Amazingly even
Iran that is oil rich and before the Islamic regime was a prosperous
country, is now a poor third world country. With over 20 billion dollar
revenue from the Oil industry, the per capita income of the Iranians is
$1200 annually. Just recently an 18-year-old girl burned herself. She died
within a few days. When questioned why, she replied that without her there
would be one less mouth to feed in her household and more food for her
younger siblings.

20 million Bangalis have immigrated to India in the search of a better life.
Bangladesh and Pakistan are languishing in poverty while India is now
experiencing an economical boom. As for Afghanistan, let us not even mention
it. Some Afghani women are forced to go “grazing”. They go to the mountains
looking for a blade of grass to eat and feed their children. All Islamic
countries are completely unproductive. Half of the population, i.e. women,
is virtually  left out of the work force. Those work waste one month of a
year in a quasi-hibernating state during Ramadan and the 5 daily obligatory
prayers rob the economy millions of valuable  person-hours of productivity.
Instead of teaching real science, schools teach the Islamic non-sense of
Fiqh and  Sharia and brainwash the youth with mumbo-jumbo of creation, story
of Noah and the miracles of Muhammad. If it weren’t for oil all Islamic
countries without any exception would be the poorest countries of the world.
Millions of Muslims from all Islamic countries invade the West in the search
of a better life.

Islamic Expansionism

One would think that at least those economical refugees, who have escaped
the hardship of their native land, would be mildly aware that Islam was the
cause of their poverty back home and they would abandon it after amassing
some fortune in the Kafir land. One would expect that at least they would
not slay the goose that lays the golden eggs and would not try to infiltrate
Islam in their new homes.

Unfortunately Muslims are bereft of that much discernment. When Muslims go
to non-Islamic countries and once they overcome their economical hardships
they start demanding special privileges to practice and promote their
religion. They take advantage of the democracy in their host countries and
start building mosques calling their hosts Kafir and strive to eradicate
that democracy, and impose the brutal laws of Sharia. In the West, they have
started converting the whites and inculcated in them the hate of their own
culture to the extent that these new converts harbor the desire to destroy
their own churches, loath democracy and capitalism and endeavor to establish
the rule of Islam and theocracy of Khalifat world wide.

In a Statement laid on the table of the house of Assam (India) Legislative
Assembly under item no. 12 dated June.4.2000 Shri Prafulla Kumar Mahanta the
Chief Minister, Assam wrote:

“During the recent past, Assam Police has gathered sufficient evidence to
prove that the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI has been actively involved
in fomenting violence and terrorism in the State. These activities are
mainly in the following areas:

a. Promoting indiscriminate violence in the State by providing active
support to the local militant outfits.

b. Creating new militant outfits along ethnic and communal lines by
instigating ethnic and religious groups.

c. Supply of explosives and sophisticated arms to various terrorist groups.

d. Causing sabotage of oil pipelines and other installations, communication
lines, railways and roads.

e. Promoting fundamentalism and militancy among local Muslim youth by
misleading them in the name of 'jehad'.

f. Promoting communal tension between Hindu and Muslim citizens by way of
false and highly inflammatory propaganda.”

This report goes on giving the details of various activities of the ISI in
Assam and how Pakistan is training the Muslims, mostly the Bangali
economical immigrants for their terrorist activities in India.

The World Reacts to Islam

Many Indians justifiably are alarmed of the growth of the number of Muslims
in India and fear that this would eventually result in another bloody civil
war and further secession of their country. It is unfortunate though, that
this threat has forced them to form militant fundamentalist groups to combat
the spread of Islam in India.

A similar move has already started in England where the Pakistani youth have
clashed with the ultra right angry British youth and even police in several
occasions with much property damage to the shops and private businesses.

The anti Islamic sentiment is also brewing in Italy, France, Denmark and
Germany. I cannot say that this fear of Islamic expansionism is unfounded.
Islam must be confronted though violence is not the right method. In fact it
is quite counterproductive and dangerous. This would make Muslims feel
martyred and strengthens their resolve making them go deeper into their
ignorance, become fundamentalists with the inevitable escalation of violence
and terrorism. The world should know that terrorism for a true Muslim is a
religious virtue. Jihad was prescribed by Muhammad
(Q.2:216<http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216>),
and killing the non-believers is regarded a service to Allah
(Q.4:84<http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.084>
).

The problem here is not Muslims but Islam. It is Islam that prevents Muslims
from mingling with their hosts in amity, and integrate with the culture of
the country where they reside. It is Islam that teaches them to separate the
world in two quarters of Dar-al Harb and Dar-al Islam. The solution to this
problem cannot come from the non-Muslims but from the Muslims themselves.

*What Feeds Islamic Frenzy?*

It is a fact that Muslims are encouraged by the news that their number is
growing. This is of course a total misrepresentation of the truth because
their number is not actually growing by conversion but by procreation. It is
true that Muslims are the fastest growing population but they interpret
this, as ISLAM being the fastest growing "religion” and they delight even in
such an obvious self-deception. In one of my essays called *Who Feeds
Fundamentalism<http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/feedfundamentalism.htm>
* I quoted an article that reported the case of a woman born and raised in a
middle class Muslim family of doctors in Malaysia. She becamea terrorist and
a jihadi after reading a book telling the stories of the Western women
converting to Islam. Those stories blazed her religious fervor making her
conclude that Islam must be a true gem that now the Westerners are
discovering it. She started to wear hejab, started throwing dye at women not
wearing the Islamic veil, was encouraging her husband to take a second wife,
had many brushes with the law for her subversive activities and proudly told
the reporter that she wants her sons to grow with gun in their hands. Any
news of the success of Islam, make Muslims dig deeper in their
fundamentalism and foments their religious zeal transforming them into
terrorists, killing and hating machines.

It is a fact that Islam is kept alive because Muslims look at each other
telling themselves: "not all these people can be wrong". This is what is
called sheep mentality. One sheep jumps; the other jumps too. Even Muhammad
was aware of this weakness in human psyche and took full advantage of that.
In the early days of Islam he targeted the influential Meccans like Omar and
Abu Bakr. Many early Muslim’s faiths were fortified when they learned that
these two important personalities have also accepted Islam and it made it
easy for others to join. “If important persons like Omar and Abu Bakr have
accepted Islam, then it must be true”, they reasoned. Today Muslims use
names like Cat Stevens and Dr. Bucaille (who is not even a Muslim) to
impress themselves and their victims. They even claim Neil Armstrong is a
Muslim, though he himself has categorically denied this rumor.

The Other Side of the Coin

However, this coin has another side too. Just as the news of the growth of
Islam and its alleged successes kindles religious fervor in Muslims,
transforming them into zealot fanatics and terrorist zombies, the news of
the failure of Islam disheartens and discourages them. Just as the news and
even the rumors of the conversion of a great number of people to Islam
strengthen the Muslims in their faith, the reverse is also true.

Islam, especially in recent years, has had many setbacks, but they have not
been publicized. There is a great number of Muslims who leave Islam, most of
them among the intellectuals and the crčme de la crčme of the society. But
unfortunately these dissenters are not organized and often do not wish to
endanger their lives and their peace of mind by going public. In Islam the
punishment of apostasy is death. Thomas Paine and Bertrand Russell would not
have lived long if they were Muslims critics. Ahmad Kasravi was murdered
brutally and Ali Dashti was jailed at his advanced age and died in the
prisons of Khomeini. So the field is left open for the Muslims to inseminate
their lies about Islam being the fastest growing religion. The truth is that
many Muslims are turning against Islam and their numbers is increasing. From
a statistic of the Iranians in Scandinavia we learn that 50% of them call
themselves atheists or agnostics. 40% say they are Muslims but do not follow
Islam. Only 10% consider themselves to be practicing Muslims. This statistic
did not take into account those Iranians who already belonged to other
religions or those Muslims who converted to other religions after they left
Iran. The anti-Islamic sentiment in Iran can be detected by conversing with
the Jewelers in that country. They say that only 5% of those who buy gold
chain necklaces want Islamic emblems like Allah, Muhammad and Ali carved in
their necklace. 95% now ask for Iranian emblems like the edict of Cyrus on
human rights, the Hakhamanish soldiers, Persepolis and other Iranian
national icons. 23 years ago this percentage was completely the other way
round. Today the government pays people to go to the Mosques. Some go
because they are in dire poverty and need the money and the food that is
served there, but still the mosques are empty. The dislike of Islam among
Iranians is evident from the fact that now they prefer traditional Iranian
names for their newborns. Just 5% of them choose Islamic (Arab) names. In
earlier generations this percentage was over 80%.

Iran has traditionally played a decisive role for Islam. It provided it with
its philosophy. Most of Islamic philosophers are Iranians. Sufism is an
Iranian invention, and even the founders of the 4 Sunni schools of thoughts
were Iranians. Without the Iranian input Islam would be a primitive cult.
Islam owes its greatness, architecture philosophy and culture to Iranian
luminaries. The Islamic revolution of Iran gave a boost to Islam and Islamic
fundamentalism in the entire world.

The Ebbing of the Tide

Today, however, the fortunes of Islam are ebbing. Islam is hated in Iran,
especially among the generation born and raised after Islamic Revolution.
Iran is pregnant with history-making events. Before  long the Iranian
younger generation is going to rebel and Islam will suffer its biggest
setback ever. It is enough to visit any Iranian forum on the Internet to see
the level of hate that the Iranians feel for Islam. The Iranian students
inside the country feel the same way, though they are unable to vent their
anger now. As soon as this atmosphere of terror is lifted, all that anger
will come to the surface and Islam will die in Iran with the same swiftness
and perhaps violence that it was imposed 1400 years ago. As Iranians start
attacking Islam openly and blame it for all that went wrong in their country
it will have a domino effect in all Islamic world. The immediate outcome of
the fall of Islam in Iran is that the Islamist terrorist groups in Lebanon,
Palestine, Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines and other
countries will have their financial supply cut off. This in itself will
hamper their  activities and dampens their fervor. But the biggest blow on
Islam would be psychological. Throughout the centuries, Iran has been a
major player in the Middle East and it has always set the standard. After
the demise of Islam in Iran, Muslims in the neighboring countries would feel
disheartened and their faith will weaken.

Other Fundamentalists

Attack of Hindus or Christians on Islam makes Muslims defensive. I was
amazed when a freethinking friend of mine who constantly writes against
Islam retorted when a Christian Reverend of an evangelical church posted his
criticism of Islam in our freethinkers forum. Of course this good friend of
mine is himself critical of Islam but instinctively he felt that he had to
respond to this other Christian fundamentalist by defending Islam. If an
atheist like my own friend is moved to defend a religion that he loathes
when it is attacked by another non-Muslim fundamentalist, then it is not
unreasonable to believe that the opposition of the Hindu and Christian
fundamentalists of Islam is counterproductive.

Islam can be eradicated only from within. It seems that Muhammad was very
much aware of this and that is why he was so unforgiving towards the
dissenters. If the ex-Muslim freethinkers get organized and attack Islam
systematically we will have much more success than if Islam is attacked from
outside by other groups whose own curriculum is often marred with the same
sins they accuse Islam of. These other groups lack credibility. They are
guilty of the same faults that Muslims are. But we, as freethinkers do not
subscribe to any ideology. We can be theists, atheists or agnostics and
still disbelieve in Islam. Unlike the members of other religions we have no
hidden skeletons in our closets to fear a counter attack. Islam can, and it
has survived the attacks of other religions, but it cannot and will not
survive the attack from its own renegades. Just as Christianity, Judaism and
Hinduism are waning not because of the onslaughts of other religions but
because of the rebellion of their own freethinkers, Islam will not be
weakened by the attacks of fundamentalist groups of other religions but by
the criticism of its own freethinkersWe should also be aware that
fundamentalism in one religion encourages the rise of fundamentalism in
other religions. This is a vicious circle. The formation of Hindu and
Christian fundamentalist groups does not only not reduce the rise of Islamic
fundamentalism, but it actually throws gasoline on their fire. This will
only hardens the Islamist fanatics and strengthens their resolve. It creates
an atmosphere of competition among the fundamentalists of all the religions.
In this mindless race the winner is the loser. This is the race of
ignorance. The runners are heading towards the precipice and an Armageddon
is awaiting them at the end of the lane. The best thing non-Muslims can do
to stop the Islamic fundamentalism, is to stop fundamentalism in their own
religions.

The End Is Nigh

I know many of you are pessimistic about it but I foresee the end of Islam
in sight. I am not concerned about the ignorant mass of Muslims. The
intellectuals of Islam are turning against it and it is the intellectuals
that chart the course of the history not the ignorant mass. A billion
ignorant Muslims can do nothing to stop the momentum that a few of their
enlightened intellectuals who have turned against Islam can generate. They
eventually will have to give in and follow their intellectuals or they will
be annihilated under the pressure of poverty like Afghanistan and Iran.

Many Muslim intellectuals feel that they have hit the bottom and even though
they still are unable to cut their umbilical cord from Islam, they admit
that Islam cannot bring prosperity, democracy and peace and they openly call
for the separation of Mosque from State. This admission that Islam has
failed, at least in political front, is a great step forward. Whether these
people are aware or not, they are tacitly acknowledging that Islam is a
failed paradigm; because Islam unlike Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism is
a religion that seeks power and pretends to be the religion of the state.
Islam becomes meaningless once it is reduced into a mere set of moral codes.
Islam has very few moral codes. The essence of Islam is to fight and promote
the religion of Allah until it becomes the sole religion of mankind. (Q.3:
85 <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.085>),
(Q.2:193<http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.193>)
Without this expansionist drive, Islam will wither and die. The whole
message of Islam is not: to do good, be kind, loving and honest, but to
“believe” and make others believe in Allah and his messenger. In Islam the
words "righteousness" and "virtue" do not mean the same as defined in
dictionaries. They mean belief in Allah and obedience to his prophet. Unlike
other religions, Islam is not a religion of individual salvation but of the
state domination. Secularism in Islamic countries does not work. Turkey
became a secular country in 1912 but now the fundamentalists are fighting
hard to regain the power and convert that country once again into an Islamic
state. Reza shah in Iran imposed secularism and tried to modernize that
country. 50 years later the fundamentalists came back with revenge and
reversed the cloak 1400 years. Muhammad Ali Jinah aspired a secular Pakistan
but that country is now caught in the claws of the fundamentalists digging
deeper and deeper in ignorance. Islam cannot survive without power. The
separation of the state and religion in Islam does not work. If Islamic
countries desire secularism, freedom and democracy, they have to get rid of
Islam altogether. They have to decide between democracy and Islam. Just as
you cannot house the sheep and the wolves in the same fold, you cannot have
democracy and Islam in the same country.

Today, we can make history. For the first time the dissenters of Islam are
reuniting and are getting organized. Our number is growing rapidly. There is
not a day that I do not receive an email from someone who claims having left
Islam. Many of them are Iranians. This is despite the fact that I don't know
much about search engines and my sites (www.humanists.net/alisina) does not
show in many of them. I notice that there is a great anti-Islamic momentum
building up especially among the ex-Muslims.

Christianity vs. Islam

There is a fundamental difference between Muslims leaving Islam and the
Christians leaving their religion. Most born and raised Christians when
leaving Christianity, become critical of the Church and the Bible but still
respect Christ. In fact, Christ as described in the New Testament is a
loving person. Many Christians also cannot get rid of Christianity because
their god is the god of love. At least this is what they are being told and
this is the idea they have of their god. Muslims on the other hand believe
in Allah through fear. The god of Muhammad is not a loving god but a
dreadful and an unforgiving god of vengeance
(Q.4:84<http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.084>).
When Muslims learn the fallacies of Islam and discover the real face of
Muhammad, they hate that religion and despise its founder. Therefore
although Christianity in the West, in the last two centuries, has been in
demise it has managed to survive and perhaps it will survive for another two
or three centuries. Christianity still has spiritual lessons to give. It can
still be a source of guidance and inspiration to its followers. Christianity
as taught and lived by Christ is a moral religion. Christianity may be
logically wrong but ethically it is not. A few letters written by Paul are
discriminatory towards women. But that can be easily overlooked when one
pays attention to the overall message of love and tolerance taught by Jesus.

None of that can be said about Islam. Quran is replete with intolerance,
violence, discrimination and hate. We could have overlooked the logical
absurdity of Islam's holy book but how can we fail to see its intolerance
and its message of hate? Moreover the person of Jesus as is reported in the
Bible, is sanctified from any blemish. Muhammad on the other hand was a
violent man. He was a lustful, pervert, ruthless, arrogant and a maniac mass
murderer. A man who wishes to emulate Muhammad in this day and age is a man
that should be locked in jail. Those who follow truly the example of the
Prophet of Islam are terrorists. They are dangers to society. One can be a
good Christian and still be a good person. But one CANNOT be a good Muslim,
follow all those hate mongering teachings of Muhammad, and be a good human
being at the same time.

To compare Islam with Christianity and assume that since Christianity has
survived the attacks from its dissenters and enlightened freethinkers, Islam
would do the same is a mistake. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
The only thing that Islam and Christianity have in common is that both are
called religion. But the similarity ends there. To understand the difference
between Muhammad and Jesus is enough to compare how they reacted to two very
similar incidents.

John 8:3-7
”The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman who had been
caught committing adultery, and they made her stand before them all,
“Teacher.” They said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the very act of
committing adultery. In our law Moses commanded that such a woman must be
stoned to death, Now what do you say?” They said this to trap Jesus, so that
they could accuse him. But he bent over and wrote on the ground with his
finger. As they stood there asking him questions, he strengthened himself up
and said to them, “Whichever one of you has committed no sin may throw the
first stone at her.” Then he bent over again and wrote on the ground. When
they heard this, they all left, one by one, the older ones first. Jesus was
left alone with the woman standing there. He straightened himself up and
said to her, "Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?"
"No Sir" she answered.
"Well, then." Jesus said, "I do not condemn you either. Go but do not sin
again."

*Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
*Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have
committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to
be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside
the mosque."

Now let us compare the teachings of Christ with those of Muhammad:

Luke 5:27
“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate
you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who ill-treat you.

Q. 9: 23 <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.023>
"O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if
they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong".

Q. 3:28 <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028>,
*Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers*rather than
believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

Luke 5:37
“Do not judge others, and God will not judge you; do not condemn others and
God will not condemn you; forgive others, and God will forgive you. Give to
others and God will give to you

Q. 9:29 <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029>,
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they *pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued*.

It is clear why Muslim dissidents hate intensely Muhammad and his fictitious
Allah. It is because the essence of the message of Jesus is love, but the
essence of Islam is hate. That is why Christianity, despite its illogicality
has survived the age of enlightenment and has been able to adapt itself,
somehow, to the changing world. But Islam would not survive the light of
reason and will die a quick death. Christianity is illogical but it elevates
the human spirit. Islam is hodgepodge of gibberish too, but provokes terror,
advocates strife, calls for blood and foments hate. It sinks the human
spirit and brings out the worst of the animal instinct of its followers.
Once Islam is proven false, there is nothing else left for its followers to
cling to. The only thing that keeps Muslims clinging to it is fear. Once the
light of knowledge dissipate the darkness of ignorance and the fear of this
revengeful monster called Allah is vanished. Islam will die a quick death. I
can give this assurance that Islam will not see the next century and even go
as far as to say we may see its death in our own lifetime. You may call this
a wishful thinking, but I call it a gut feeling.

The Oil Factor

It is in fact more than just a gut feeling. In 25 years the oil reserve of
the Islamic countries will finish. The world may also find an alternative
source of energy This research is already on the way and indeed this
alternative source is in operation. Many busses in Canada are powered by
Fuel Cell Power Generators. It is absolutely feasible to have our cars, our
houses, our cities and our factories powered by this new technology, which
is much more cleaner and environmentally friendlier than carbon based fuels
within a decade or two. The implication of this new technology for oil
dependent Muslim countries are disastrous. Islamic countries are not
productive. They lack technology and they suffer from brain drain. Today a
lot of Islamic terrorism and expansionism are financed by oil rich countries
like Iran and Saudi Arabia. When the oil wells dry out or another source of
energy make them superfluous, the life-blood of Islamic
expansionism/terrorism will also come to an end.

The Mighty Internet

Another important factor is the Internet. The internet has been a great tool
of communication in the West, but for Islamic countries it is revolutionary.
People in the West could easily communicate among each other and exchange
ideas freely even before the advent of the Internet. But for Muslims
especially in Islamic countries the Internet provides for the first time, a
medium to exchange thoughts candidly and without the fear of the
consequences.

Islam is a religion that is founded on ignorance and fear. When people can
openly exchange thoughts, the ignorance will be dissipated. The safety of
the Internet also shelters them against fear. When Muslims start talking to
each other, they will learn about the real Islam, the Islam that was taught
in Quran and lived by Muhammad. This would shock them. Up until now they
blamed the Mullahs for misinterpreting and misrepresenting the "pure"
teachings of Islam and not being the legitimate representatives of the "real
Islam". They had created a romantic idea of Islam in their minds that was
not real. But Internet will demolish that romantic idea and the true Islam
will be know to everyone.

It is true that faith blinds and many Muslims would not be shaken even if it
is proven to them that Muhammad was an assassin, a rapist, a thief, a
ruthless mass murderer, a pedophile or a highway robber. The light will
startle those who have eyes. No amount of light will ever affect those who
have no eyes to see. I have had many debates with Muslims who after having
received the irrefutable proof that Muhammad was all the above and more,
have said that they don't care who Muhammad was and his person is absolutely
unimportant to them. They claim what really matters is the Quran and not the
messenger. Of course this response would have been a legitimate response had
Allah written his book with his own hand, signed and sealed it and Muhammad
was nothing but a mailman. In this case the Prophet's character would have
been insubstantial. But as it is, no one can vouch for Muhammad. Therefore
his character is very important. What if he lied? Can we really trust a man
who is deprived of human qualities? Can we trust the words of a man who has
demonstrated lack of moral values, who has not been able to control his
sexual and animalistic instincts? How can we believe a person who has acted
like a mafia godfather sending his gangsters to terrorize his enemies? How
can we believe in one who has broken all moral and ethical codes by
initiating war in holy months, desecrating holy places, murdering prisoners
of war in cold blood, raping his war captives, enslaving free people and
trading them, and sleeping with a 9 year old child at the age of 54? Could
God really choose a man of such low moral fiber to be his messenger among
the people?

All these questions were never discussed among the Muslims. How could they?
Muhammad created such an atmosphere of terror that any whisper of doubt was
dealt with mercilessly. But now Muslims can talk about these issues. They
can question what was taboo. They can even criticize and reject Islam and
live to see the next day. This is new! The Internet has provided a unique
opportunity for the Muslims that was unthinkable since the inception of
Islam and that is to question it.

But Islam has no answers. Islam's answers to criticism has been
imprisonment, and execution. In Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan you can even
lose your life if you are found with a Bible, let alone books that are
critical of Islam. How Muslims could have found the truth is such an
atmosphere of mind control and terror?

The Internet is going to make a revolution. This would be the revolution of
minds. Muslim countries cannot prevent their subjects from using the
Internet. As the Internet make its way in the homes of the Muslims, Islam
will be weakened and eventually will die out.

That is why I am confident that many of us would see the end of Islam in our
own lifetime. This is nota dream nor wishful thinking. No matter how dark is
the night, it cannot stand the light of the day. No matter how dense the
ignorance, it cannot survive the shattering impact of knowledge. For 1400
years ignorance was safeguarded by Mullahs. Today the Mullahs are powerless.
They can no longer control the minds. One enlightened mind is more powerful
than a billion ignorant ones.

Aug. 2001


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Is there any (physical) office or any place where you may have a gathering
or party , meeting ..etc..etc..in Manila ?..if there is what is the
address..?telephone number..?...i may be visiting Manila in this coming
September..maybe we could meet...,.. thanks...


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Pls. check FilipinoFreethinkers.org site for regular meet-ups. I think there is
one every week.

cheers!

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A great scientist concludes that God is redundant.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking

It is a fact that this conclusion was reached in Europe long time ago ,
around the year 1600 , almost all discoveries and inventions were based on
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idiots...!


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It is a fact that this conclusion was reached in Europe long time ago , around
the year 1600 , almost all discoveries and inventions were based on the fact
that there is no God and human must take care of themselves instead of the sick
idea that there maybe an imaginary carer named (God) , however , modern
networking and those who were interested in people management in the world
thought differently (sometimes those are called the smart guys); to avoid
questioning they ; "re introduced" the idea of the (God) so they can distribute
wealth and commit murders in the name of the God ...among other hidden purposes
, in doing so ,however , new human were evolved ; human with these
specifications ; murderers , idiots , morons , vulgar , mean , vicious , stupids
, unethical ,terrorists , thieves , insensitive , harsh , careless , selfish
....    all of this in the name of the (God)..blessed with secret organizations
and the Intel who in fact are nothing but twisted minded idiots...!
--- In pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com, Butch Silverio <masilver@...> wrote:
>
>
> A great scientist concludes that God is redundant.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking
>

Allow me to share with you the secret to living a happy life.
I have been given the privileged to have a conversation with Jack
Zufelt.It was July and I was one of the participants of a Southeast
Asian Convention which was held in Singapore. He is a world-renowned
speaker and trainor and author of the best-selling book, The DNA of
Success. Yes, you are correct, it is not only the human body that has
DNA. Success comprises a DNA, some sort of code or formula for people
who is successful and if you want to be successful in any endeavor, you
must know the DNA of Success.
I just wanted to have his picture taken as a souvenir.Yet, he offered to
me that I should also be included in the picture with him. He
enthusiastically told me so because I told him he was my idol and he was
happy (he is such a humble and charming man) It was always a nice
feeling having to know a very successful person face-to-face. Jack
Zufelt was one of my mentors. He became an inspiration to me especially
when I came back to Singapore for a month to meet friends and to look
for opportunities in introducing a perfect business to my acquaintances
there. When I feel a low-down, I relive Jack Zufelt's words of business
wisdom into my head.
Here's a snippet of information from the DNA of Success:
Jack said,in every person's success lies the right attitude. If one
doesn't have a success attitude, he/she can start digging into his/her
core desire. Now I love this "core desire" thing because in reality, you
cannot bend a person's core desire that easily. A person's core desire
will dictate naturally his/her course of actions consciously and
subconsciously. For example, back when I was still hunting for a 9 to 6
job in Singapore, my deepest desire is to have a job in Sales of
prestigious serviced apartment company. I did all I could to pass the
interview even the practical exam. I did not have any experience in
Sales much more I would be dealing with top Executives and owners of big
and international companies. I Was nervous back then, however, my core
desire kept reminding me, I have to get the position. And so I took the
necessary preparation for the job interview. I practiced talking to
myself in the mirror. I even bought a nice smart-looking glasses to make
me look mature. (because alot of people tell me I look like 18 years
old!) To cut the story short, I got the position. My lady boss at that
time who was a French lady called me that night on the day I took the
interview and the practical exam.
Our core desires dictates our actions which in turn gives us a result.
So tell me right now, what is your core desire?  Once you know your core
desire, take advantage of it for you to become succesful.Core desire is
the heart of all things great.Once you know your "core desire", it is
time for you to get the right "direction". There are many ways in which
you can get the right direction. You can either read a book or listen to
audio book of people you admire and want to become. For example, if you
want to become a great dancer, you should learn the ways of a great
professional dancer you mostly admire. Learn his/her ways even his
attitude towards dancing. If you want to become a successful
entrepreneur, read books on entrepreneurship, attend courses and
seminars focusing on starting on how to become a successful
entrepreneur.Be keen into listening to people around you. You only
listen to people who are doing it well, who have done it and who have
done it greatly.
According to Jack Zufelt, the best way to get "direction" is to find a
good mentor, then copy him or her. Acquire his/her honorable traits.
Think what they think. Act as they act and do what they do with the same
attitude that they have.
Getting good direction is essential part to get to your dreams and wants
in life. Are you ready to take action to get to your dreams?

If you are the type of person who has a strong will and desire to
succeed, I invite you to log on for free to our Success Library:
http://www.ca2020.net/group/SuccessLibrary.com
<http://www.ca2020.net/group/SuccessLibrary.com>  where you can read and
learn more about successful people and attitudes of Success and get a
chance to meet like-minded people.
________________________________________________________________________\
________________________________________________________NOTE: Create
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laws of the Republic of the Philippines.  Its sole mission is to spread
financial education throughout the nation and the world for its vision
to have a first-world nation.  The purpose for which is to establish
centers for entrepreneurship in all provinces of the Philippines that
will be a venue to train new breed of Filipino entrepreneurs; to
eradicate malnutrition in thePhilippines by partnering with
thegovernment sector and private sectors; to create income generating
and livelihood programs and lastly, to provide world-class business
training for future leaders of this country.


To join its mission, log on for free at

   http://www.ca2020.net/ <http://www.ca2020.net/>

( An invite by Gracey Cuento



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A REPLY TO A FELLOW EMAILER



Dear Jean,



Despair not, I maybe able to quell your doubt about the existence of the
tooth fairy for the following reason, that is if you were not being
sarcastic.



When I was an infant I did find money under my pillow, several times
actually, as my milk teeth fell out one by one. So as far as faith is
concerned, it worked for me. That sure helps with the credibility thing
as far as I'm concerned.



But to bolster your faith further,  may I draw your attention to the
following:-



In the Philippines at the moment Ricardo Cardinal Vidal, as the
Archbishop of Cebu, alarmed at the number of Dengue fever victims, is
planning to issue an " ORATIO IMPERATA" which as we all know is
an order for prayers for one particular special item.



You will also know these special prayers are above prayers already
prescribed by ritual



The Pope or the bishop of a diocese may require these to be said at
Mass. This time it is to fight the dreaded Dengue fever disease as
already mentioned.



Now that's great news because, the symptoms of Dengue fever headache,
fever, exhaustion, severe muscle and joint pain, swollen glands and a
rash are not very nice.



   So the fact that something positive and practical is going to be done
about it, at long last, is really very good news,  very heartening and
very, very assuring.



Antibiotics which are usually used are successful against the dengue
fever virus at first but, then the virus mutates.



This mutation becomes successful in the new environment of antibiotics
and continues in its primary purpose which is to go forth and multiply.
Where have I heard that before?



Be that as it may, of course this multiplying/sex, has to take place in
the bodies of humans with the COLLATERAL DAMAGE, i.e. the symptoms as
described above in the body of the human host.



   The great news about this timely intervention by the good Archbishop
is,



EVOLUTION IS AT WORK HERE!



These changes occur in species by mutations, thus proving



" DARWIN'S LAW OF NATURAL SELECTION"



Because one mutation survives in the new environment of antibiotics  and
is able to multiply, is sorta survival of the fittest suited to its
environment, you know what I mean?



EVOLUTION IS NOW ATTRIBUTED TO THE

WORK OF GOD BY THE INFALLIBLE POPE,

SO IT MUST BE A FACT!



Therefore the intercession on behalf of Dengue fever sufferers has got a
good chance of being successful, follow my drift?



Antibiotics and health care providers can be by passed unless, so much
time and money saved but,  this is where the tricky bit comes in.



The last time the Bishops in Manila organised an

ORATIO IMPERATA"   on the 25th of  February 2010 at 11:18 pm. to
change the weather pattern in Luzon it worked very successfully,



TOO SUCCESSFULLY in fact.



The rains came, the drought in Luzon was ended, but there was a problem.



I don't know why but, the rains came in such torrents that a large
number of people, probably some who took part in the prayers, men women
and children got killed.



Maybe the messages to the Mother of Perpetual Help and Jesus were not
quite clear in the amount of rain needed or, could have  been the work
of the Devil that stuffed things up or, something else went wrong,   I
really don't know



But hell, one has to be grateful for small mercies isn't one?



As good Christians we must always look on the bright side, particularly
of death, which in this case is that the dead have probably have gone
through purgatory already, because of more prayers, and are now enjoying
the good life in heaven, all's well that ends well so to speak.



But, there's always a "but"  ain't there?



IT COULD BE THAT DENGUE FEVER

IS PART OF "GOD'S PLAN."



Did anyone think of that?



God had been working on his plan for thousands maybe millions of years,
we have been reliable informed,  musta bin a perfect plan since God is
perfect.

Then we come along with holy water, incense, kneeling and chanting
asking God to alter his divine plan.



So on second thoughts, to ask the Father to be diverted from his very
carefully thought out divine plan, through the Mother of Perpetual help
and Jesus of course,  is a tad arrogant of us,  his children don't
you think?



And then these pleas are made mostly on the Sabbath, GOD'S DAY OFF!
Not very nice of us.



So I hope, I won't pray,  because God is inundated with millions of
prayers for this and that already but, I sincerely  hope the  Priests,
Bishops and Cardinals know what they are doing and have checked out this
particular

"Oratio Imperata" for Cebu with the infallible Pope.



Far from it for me to suggest that the motive of the good Archbishop of
Cebu for these special prayers is to increase the amounts in offertory
boxes, perish the thought but, the last time the clergy interfered with
prayers to change the weather pattern in Luzon they really fucked things
up big time.



So let us keep on praying but, at the same time we should keep our
fingers crossed, better to have an each way bet isn't it?



Oliver Cromwell The devout Christian leader, "Defender of the
Faith"  in the civil war in England (1642–46) said to his troops
about to go into battle,

"Keep your faith in God but, keep your gun powder dry"

Cromwell won that battle,  so there you go, good advice to follow



So have faith that God will abolish Dengue fever, at least in Cebu the
Philippines, but the good citizens there should enroll in a good health
insurance plan just in case, know what I mean?



Peace be with you all,



Doug Adam.



Acknowledgement to the Late George Carlin for the theme of the above
email.



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Dear Romeo,

I just been sorting out my mail and come accross yours.

Yes it would be fantastic to meet all you bloody heathens, there's not many of
the Pinoy version on the ground here.

I do have some American, Australia, New Zealand and Canadian friends who don't
believe in the invisible man in the sky so that sort of gives me some relief
from cant and hypocrisy, but there again even those people have their double
standards.

I am on an aged pension having given my life savings to two women I hate so the
expense of travel has to be carefully considered, but yes I'd love to meet all
you blokes in Manila,and you enjoy a bit of arm bendng  and a chin wag with a
drop of San Miguel.

Maybe next year if I am still alive, I am knocking eighty now, I might hope over
to Manila, I have a couple of Aussie mates there could be good.

I am flattered by your invitation but I am afraid it won't happen soon unless
you all come to beautiful downtown Dumaguete the  playground of the emerald Sulu
Sea. 

Thanks again, cheers Doug




 



________________________________
From: Romeo Macapobre <romeo.macapobre@...>
To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 6 February, 2009 10:31:35 AM
Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] FRIENDS,ROMANS, AETHISTS, AGNOSTICS. LEND ME YOUR
EARS


hi doug ... there is going to be a freethinkers meet
i think your ideas albeit very unpopular in this part of the planet .. about
israel and palestine would be welcome. i mean people would welcome to listen
to the arguments.
you should come to.

what you think?

2009/2/5 theadamfamilyoz <theadamfamilyoz@ yahoo.com. au>

>
> Imagine the following scenarios
>
> A young fresh faced young man from middle America, who lives contentedly
> in a very nice suburb , which has nice houses with manicured lawns,
> where people are generally kind to one another, where there are more
> Churches than any other institutions, is one day plucked out of his
> erstwhile protective environment and drafted into the Army
>
> There his individualism is sublimated to the extent that he carries out
> orders without question for if the time came when his group might come
> under fire, hesitation on his part his part might place his group in
> even greater danger.
>
> Then this nice young man is told it is his patriotic duty to go to a far
> away land in order to bring about a fair and just society with the
> values to which he has been accustomed.
>
> He might have been previously totally unaware of the existence of the
> country in which he now finds himself, and definitely not aware of its
> history and culture
>
> Being a good person he is kind to the people in this new country, gives
> the children candy, plays ball with them and tries to be socially in
> every way.
>
> Then one day when out on patrol his group comes under fire, from the
> very people he had befriended! In this incident some of his buddies are
> killed other wounded terribly.
>
> Is that not totally unjust and uncalled for or what?
>
> Now look at it from the point of view of a poverty stricken peasant
> living in a country that throughout history had been dominated by the
> forces of other countries from far away to the BENEFIT of the said
> foreign countries, to the DETRIMENT of the peasants own country and his
> own well being, where he is a second class citizen with no rights Would
> he might not come to the conclusion that this is a grave injustice, that
> he might find improvement in his welfare if his country was run by his
> own kind and that this was worth fighting? Not in the beginning in set
> piece battles but in hit and run tactics?
>
> Well the hypothetical reaction of this peasant is not an uncommon
> reaction to foreign powers, in fact the Americans reacted eventually, to
> the same situation, and started a war of independence. This in some
> areas was conducted by the terrorism of
>
> "Minute Men"
>
> That's is farmers who would at a
>
> minutes notice
>
> pick up a gun, ambush and kill British Troops and return to tending to
> their animals and fields where they were difficult find .
>
> In fact it could be well argued that Americans were the fist to develop
>
> guerilla/ terrorist warfare
>
> Insomuch as they refused to engage the
>
> British in set piece battles,
>
> At least in the beginning which was called.
>
> COWARDICE !
>
> by the British. Heard that story before?
>
> Granted that both sides commit in human acts in the war
>
> The question arising from these scenarios is which has the high moral
> ground?
>
> The regular foreign forces
>
> or
>
> the indigenous irregular guerilla/freedom fighters/ terrorists?
>
> I leave this to your God/s, countries and your consciences
>
> DOUG ADAM
>
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>
>
>

--
apprenons francais [rmacapobre- french.blogspot. com].
apprenons max [rmacapobre. blogspot. com].

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Found this online. Some members have already responded to the blog post.

I think this is a very common sentiment among new atheists here in our
country.

Sent to you by Mike via Google Reader: Ask Richard: Atheist in the
Philippines Lonely for Freethinking Friends via Friendly Atheist by
Richard Wade on 9/16/10

Dear Richard,

I am a college student from the Philippines, a predominantly Catholic
country. I’m an “out” atheist. Mostly, I’m not being mistreated, and I
can tolerate the fact that Catholicism is such a big part of the
country’s culture. My problem is that in the city where I live, I am
alone in my beliefs, and sometimes it gets lonely.

My friends are all Catholics. Some of them claim to be genuinely
interested in what I have to say about religion, but then they would
ask me to stop once they feel threatened that their beliefs are getting
weaker. That leaves me keeping these “blasphemous” thoughts to myself.

Talking to internet strangers is nice, but it sure would be a lot nicer
if I had atheistic friends whom I can hang out with and share my
thoughts freely with. Alas, I don’t think I have a choice but to accept
this. So I have to ask:

How do I cope with the loneliness?

Sincerely yours,
P. Atheist

Dear P. Atheist,

Firstly, I think that you are lucky to have some Catholic friends who
will listen to you talk at all, even to the limited extent that they
do. You must be quite good at it. For them to listen until they reach
their threshold and begin to feel insecure says that you have a smooth
and skillful delivery. Keep that up. It’s good practice for your
persuasive skills, and you might be planting some seeds for free and
critical thinking that will sprout some day.

Even though you haven’t met any other atheists, don’t assume that you
are actually alone. There are probably several others in your city, but
they are hiding. You need a way to call out to them and to coax them
into meeting you. The Filipino Freethinkers is an active group that was
featured here on Friendly Atheist back in February of 2009. They appear
to be quite active. Contact them and if they’re too far away, ask their
advice about starting a branch in your city. Don’t be discouraged that
you start out by yourself. One member can eventually be two, then four…

I know that blogging and instant messaging with strangers can bring
some intellectual satisfaction, but it won’t provide the emotional
social fulfillment that face-to-face conversations do. One thing that
can help is video chat. When you establish friendships with online
people who are far away, begin to use a program like Google voice and
video chat or Skype so that you can see their faces while talking
directly with them. It will nurture your need for the complex facial
interaction that is so important to human beings. These strangers will
begin to matter to you, and you will matter to them.

As a college student, hopefully you are in a place where differing
ideas and viewpoints are freely exchanged. In a vital college or
university, that’s not just common, it’s expected. If your college does
not yet have a freethinkers, skeptics, humanists or atheists group,
start one. The faith-free folks are lurking there, just under the
surface, probably just as lonely as you. Maybe you could start a
Secular Student Alliance. Hemant…?

I found several websites about atheism in the Philippines, but some
have had no activity for quite a long time. Here are a few that at
least have had activity in 2010:

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/philippineatheist

http://atheistangpinoy.blogspot.com/

http://pinoyinfidel.blogspot.com/

http://www.atheista.net/

I am hoping that several atheists in the Philippines will pick up on
this post and will comment here with help and encouragement.

Finally, P. Atheist, remember that there is much more to you than your
atheism. You should also establish friendships that are based on the
several other things that are important to you. For instance, in
addition to being an atheist, I’m an amateur astronomer. I have several
friends who share that interest, and we seldom discuss atheism. I’m
also an artist. I have a couple of friends who share that interest, and
we never discuss atheism or astronomy. I also like hiking, fossil
hunting, theatre, and jazz. My fellow hikers, fossil hunters, theatre
buffs, and jazz lovers seldom discuss any of those other interests of
mine. There is some overlap, but I have no friends who share all of
those interests. I’m not lonely because I always have somebody with
whom I can do something. I don’t define myself narrowly as just one
thing, and I don’t mind that compartmentalization of my friends and our
shared interests.

So look at all the possibilities that surround you and use them all.
Make them all real, not just leaving them as potential. Don’t despair,
and don’t give up. Put effort into this, and I think you will get a
worthwhile result.

Richard

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concise. They may be edited. There is a very large number of letters. I
am sorry if I am unable to respond in a timely manner.



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