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Below is the letter I drafted. Medyo nahirapan ako dyan ha. I was
almost short of bashing the RCC. :) I think it's still mildly
anti-Catholic and may not appeal to the Catholics but they can choose
to express their support some other way if they don't approve the tone
of the letter.

Please correct the grammar and/or suggest changes. I am thinking I
should register a separate domain like http://hb4110.org, post this
letter together with those who wish to be added. Somebody with
creative talent, please make a small graphic logo <wink> <wink> that
we can display in the same static site. Those who have blogs should
reproduce it in full plus a link or something. The last part doesn't
sound right. Please comment.

T


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August 7, 2008

Re: Support for HB 4110, The Reproductive Health Care Act of 2001

We the undersigned express our support of HB 4110, The Reproductive
Health Care Act of 4110.

We fully support the bill's principles as laid out in Section 2.

We all hope for a healthy Filipino society. We believe the bill will
help us build such a society where reproductive health care is
available to anyone and everyone free of discrimination on age,
gender, sexual orientation, marital status, and religious affiliation
or non-affiliation. Where policies concerning reproductive health care
that affects everyone is not dictated by particular religion most
notably the Catholic Church. We believe in the right to choose one's
method of planning a family and spacing children. The rights of the
individual to choose according to his conscience don't fall under the
aegis of self-proclaimed moral authorities of the religious establishment.

The Philippines is a nation of diverse religious beliefs. The Catholic
Church does not represent the whole diversity of Filipino religious
and non-religious thought or belief nor does its leaders speak for all
its adherents. The continued opposition of the Catholic Church leaders
is a clear encroachment on the rights to free choice on reproductive
health methods and services of every Filipino, and trample on the
rights of the non-Catholic minority. We strongly condemn the negative
campaign being waged by the Church to mislead its adherents by
misrepresenting the bill's content, and by resorting to using
dogmatic, unscientific, and out-moded religious beliefs to support its
arguments. The Church and its leaders are being dishonest.

We strongly support the legislation because we believe this is for the
well-being our nation in particular and humanity in general as we face
the future of a planet with limited resources.

Thank you,

[Signed]





Wed Aug 6, 2008 7:07 pm

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Below is the letter I drafted. Medyo nahirapan ako dyan ha. I was almost short of bashing the RCC. :) I think it's still mildly anti-Catholic and may not...
tony
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Aug 6, 2008
7:07 pm

i already spotted a few errors. anyway, let's discuss via YM so that we can move quicker? what time is most convenient for many? T ... establishment....
tony
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Aug 6, 2008
7:13 pm

I think it's best to run it completely without singling out the Catholic church. Removing the entire second paragraph and the one sentence in the first will...
Ramon Garcia
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Aug 6, 2008
7:18 pm

i think it's ok. =D yeah, it's a bit heavy on the criticism. personally, i'm fine with it. i'm not sure about the others. if you are going to change it though,...
jj garcia
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Aug 6, 2008
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Good point. I was with the idea that the biggest stumbling block on the bill's passage is the Catholic Church's wide open opposition to it even calling it...
tony
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Aug 6, 2008
7:22 pm

We all hope for a healthy Filipino society. We believe the bill will help us build such a society where reproductive health care is available to anyone and...
tony
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Aug 6, 2008
7:25 pm

I'd hit it if it includes the opening and closing statements from the original draft. _____ From: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com...
Ramon Garcia
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Aug 6, 2008
7:33 pm

The other paragraph: The Philippines is a nation of diverse religious beliefs. There's no one religion that can represent the whole diversity of Filipino...
tony
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Aug 6, 2008
7:35 pm

Yes, come to think of it. I guess it need not be long. The bill itself is a good read already. T ... in the ... [mailto:pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com] ... ...
tony
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Aug 6, 2008
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the second draft is fine for me, but is it ok also to put the benefits of this Bill, knowing the bad effects of bloating population plus the diseases it an...
Lito Lampitoc
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Aug 6, 2008
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How would a politician write it? IMO the main part of the petition statement should be short and straight to the point although for the bill's sake we should...
ackie82990
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Aug 7, 2008
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Many of us here would relate to the feeling of bashing the Roman Catholic Church whenever they cross the line. I even saw blog calling it Roman Catholic...
Igmidio Galingan
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Aug 7, 2008
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I agree that it, for some people, sound anti-religious but it is really hard to separate the two. If i wrote the letter, I would have bashed the Catholic...
Hans
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Aug 7, 2008
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Miseducated, ignorant and resistant to change.   Mawawalan ng trabaho yan mga yan pag naniwala ang mga tupa sa atheista. At sayang yun halloween...
eduardo barot
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maybe the letter can be specific about which lies the catholics are saying about the bill ... -- apprenons francais [rmacapobre-french.blogspot.com]. apprenons...
Romeo Macapobre
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Sir Romeo,   Maybe we can utilize/employ the reasoning in Letter to a Christian Nation of sam harris?   Harris has a point in the book that says that mother...
eduardo barot
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Aug 7, 2008
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I disagree with your statement that "atheists have their bent", because atheism had nothing to do with what Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin did. Pol Pot, Stalin and...
John
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Aug 7, 2008
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Dear John,   But weren't mao pol pot and stalin atheists? Maybe I was misinformed.   They certainly did not kill in the name of atheism or in furtherance...
eduardo barot
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I suppose they were. Certainly, they tried to suppress religion in any form, but the reason for that is not for atheism's sake. They viewed religion as a...
John
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We're on the same page on that ... From: John <harmless168@...> Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] About our religious leaders, inter alia To:...
eduardo barot
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Yes, Atheist can do evil deeds, but in the short span of history, I believe more have died and are willing to kill in the name of their god. From ancient...
Hans
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John,   To kill in the name of unbelief? Haven't heard of anyone do that.   Not yet, that is.   Religions are organized systems that, by and large, have...
eduardo barot
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I think unbelief can never be controlled by any charismatic leader because unlike religion, they have no logical reason in following or believing their...
Hans
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As we can see, now is the time when Atheism is on the upsurge marked by the emergence of atheism icons like Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, et al, and together with...
jose mario sison
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Aug 8, 2008
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Organizing atheists is a lot like herding cats, as Richard Dawkins once said... :) It's gonna be pretty hard to organize people who are based on reason and...
John
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Aug 8, 2008
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Athsist can be organized in the name of other 'religions' like nationalism or communism or other -ism. An atheist need not necessarily be rational. atheist <>...
tony
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Aug 8, 2008
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Agreed. I should have been more specific and said "skeptics" or "freethinkers". But then again, like I said, it isn't atheism that will drive them... ... From:...
John
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Do you think it's a good idea to drop the atheist label and use say, "Rationalist" or anything of that sort?...
badboylamok
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Aug 8, 2008
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I couldn't agree more. Well put. ... From: eduardo barot <eduardobarot@...> To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:39:08...
Sofia Crest
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