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#5886 From: "travelerinthyme" <traveler.in.thyme@...>
Date: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Russian Tomatoes 		travelerinthyme
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I bought the original seeds from Nichols Garden Nursery in Oregon, who have
many different heirloom veggies and flowers for sale, as well as a very
informative online catalog.   Their local climate is Northwest Coast, cool and
humid, while mine in Texas is mild, wet winter and hot,dry summer, so not
everything they offer will survive in my garden.   It's much greener here in
January than in August, then we have a "second spring" in September, so usually
grow two short-season crops and let everything turn brown in summer.    Cilantro
and lettuce are winter weeds in our yard, but they are always gone before the
tomatoes ripen, unlike typical Mediterranean fare.    But I put away dozens of
quarts of tomato sauce in season, to make quick meals with fresh herbs in
winter.   Beans 'n' Greens, our staple food.

Two other tomato varieties that never fail me are Legend and Abe Lincoln.  They
are both good sliced or sauced.  Personally, I'm not fond of raw tomatoes, but
will put my salsas and marinaras up against any chef in the world ... it's those
fresh marjoram and basil blossom tips that make the prize winning difference!

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#5887 From: Niels Corfield <mudguard@...>
Date: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:30 pm
Subject: Drought in the UK 		nocompost
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Could this drought we're facing in the UK really be about lack of rainfall?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17091256


Or perhaps there are some other factors at work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og9cQKxlFnE&feature=player_embedded

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#5888 From: Niels Corfield <mudguard@...>
Date: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:39 pm
Subject: Drought in the UK -part 2 		nocompost
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Still reckon lack of rainfall is the source of the drought problem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEOyC_tGH64&feature=player_embedded



Info source
http://managingwholes.com/eco-water-cycle.htm

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#5889 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:54 am
Subject: Mango seed 		spiderman18102
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Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5890 From: fran k <frank_bowman@...>
Date: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Drought in the UK 		frank_bowman
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Hi Niels,  I heard about these fears in the autumn. the system likes to worry its slaves doesnt it!  But we had an inordinate amount of rain this year over the autumn and winter. 
Is there anything to worry about.  Is there any difference of rainfall in the Uk over all the years records have been kept.?
The UK is an absolutely  rain washed country so it feels odd to think of lack of water as a worrry..
Other countries such as India where people are concerned about water, Vandana Siva and others have explained that this worry is not because of any new shortage of supplies because water has been used wisely by the peoples of those countries for many thousands of years, rather it is because of the 'monetization' of water, where because the ones who are awash with the money tickets can take lots of water for their swimming pools golf courses and western style cash crops, thus depriving the rest who for the most part havent got the money tickets to pay the Earth life admission fees.
"Picture of an Earth for sale sign here."

Some goods are abundant  -- air, beach, sand etc, land for food.    
Other goods are limited but enough if shared out sensibly such as water. 
Other goods are naturally scarce, such as art works and those things put together using resources.   
Water is a very good example of a limited good that has been made scarce by money.

We slaves need these money tickets to live, until we demonetize abundant goods and limited goods. and free our needs,
So I would think the thing to be concerned about really is the issue of why should we have to pay to live on the Planet.

Frank.



From: Niels Corfield <mudguard@...>
To: leeds_permaculture_network@...; Manchester_Permaculture_Network@...; naturewise@yahoogroups.com; northern_permaculture_network@yahoogroups.com; Bristol Permaculture <bristol_permaculture@...>; permaresearchuk@yahoogroups.com; pfaf@yahoogroups.com; abundance_uk@yahoogroups.com; bangorforestgarden@yahoogroups.com; cornerstone@...; forest-gardening@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012, 18:30
Subject: [pfaf] Drought in the UK




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#5891 From: Psi Calls <psi.calls@...>
Date: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: Drought in the UK 		psircles
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It is indeed the monetisation of water supplies, at the core of the issue!
Not only that, but the greed of the managers and executives and the demands for return by 'shareholders' is making this whole false claim necessary. The claims that we do not have enough water for us all to use is a lie and fraud. When we know that the 'law' forbids the use of grey water for flushing toilets, and that drinking water often has far too much Chlorine and other substances in it, we can see how the problems are deliberate and all profit-motivated. The creation of fear about lack is designed to create a demand for 'control measures' by the government, using the same old corrupt system to provide the 'solution'. The 'solution' is to limit supply to the public without addressing the stupid use of water, the waste, the leaks, etc. The issue of wasted water in massive irrigation, due to lazy and unconscious, monoculture farming practices, is ignored!
In some places (parts of USA) it is becoming an offence to collect rainwater! Why? Directly because not using metered water challenges the share prices and vast profits.
We have all the water we need on Earth, yet we're constantly being told there isn't enough and warned that water will 'run-out'. Yet there are simple technologies to distil, purify and filter, Acidify or Alkalyze, energise, etc. It's all well-understood technology!
We have another more serious consideration. Utility companies are able to 'cash-in' payment slips as promissory notes, because they have the elements of signature and value attributed. This is fraud on a massive scale, as is explained in these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfYNH1AvSN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv_Rmyapyos&feature=player_embedded#!
As Dave shows, it's possible to send the utility company a completed payment slip only, and prove that they have accepted it for value!
When enough people force this issue by making Lawful Rebellion to expose the corruption of the system, then it will change for the better!


From: fran k <frank_bowman@...>
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 12:40
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Drought in the UK

 
Hi Niels,  I heard about these fears in the autumn. the system likes to worry its slaves doesnt it!  But we had an inordinate amount of rain this year over the autumn and winter. 
Is there anything to worry about.  Is there any difference of rainfall in the Uk over all the years records have been kept.?
The UK is an absolutely  rain washed country so it feels odd to think of lack of water as a worrry..
Other countries such as India where people are concerned about water, Vandana Siva and others have explained that this worry is not because of any new shortage of supplies because water has been used wisely by the peoples of those countries for many thousands of years, rather it is because of the 'monetization' of water, where because the ones who are awash with the money tickets can take lots of water for their swimming pools golf courses and western style cash crops, thus depriving the rest who for the most part havent got the money tickets to pay the Earth life admission fees.
"Picture of an Earth for sale sign here."

Some goods are abundant  -- air, beach, sand etc, land for food.    
Other goods are limited but enough if shared out sensibly such as water. 
Other goods are naturally scarce, such as art works and those things put together using resources.   
Water is a very good example of a limited good that has been made scarce by money.

We slaves need these money tickets to live, until we demonetize abundant goods and limited goods. and free our needs,
So I would think the thing to be concerned about really is the issue of why should we have to pay to live on the Planet.

Frank.



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#5892 From: john willis <wilf1946@...>
Date: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: Drought in the UK 		wilf1946@...
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Hello everyone - add the following to the list of water-wasting activities driven by commerce:  THE LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY.

All the best, John.  

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: frank_bowman@...
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:40:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Drought in the UK

 

Hi Niels,  I heard about these fears in the autumn. the system likes to worry its slaves doesnt it!  But we had an inordinate amount of rain this year over the autumn and winter. 
Is there anything to worry about.  Is there any difference of rainfall in the Uk over all the years records have been kept.?
The UK is an absolutely  rain washed country so it feels odd to think of lack of water as a worrry..
Other countries such as India where people are concerned about water, Vandana Siva and others have explained that this worry is not because of any new shortage of supplies because water has been used wisely by the peoples of those countries for many thousands of years, rather it is because of the 'monetization' of water, where because the ones who are awash with the money tickets can take lots of water for their swimming pools golf courses and western style cash crops, thus depriving the rest who for the most part havent got the money tickets to pay the Earth life admission fees.
"Picture of an Earth for sale sign here."

Some goods are abundant  -- air, beach, sand etc, land for food.    
Other goods are limited but enough if shared out sensibly such as water. 
Other goods are naturally scarce, such as art works and those things put together using resources.   
Water is a very good example of a limited good that has been made scarce by money.

We slaves need these money tickets to live, until we demonetize abundant goods and limited goods. and free our needs,
So I would think the thing to be concerned about really is the issue of why should we have to pay to live on the Planet.

Frank.



From: Niels Corfield <mudguard@...>
To: leeds_permaculture_network@...; Manchester_Permaculture_Network@...; naturewise@yahoogroups.com; northern_permaculture_network@yahoogroups.com; Bristol Permaculture <bristol_permaculture@...>; permaresearchuk@yahoogroups.com; pfaf@yahoogroups.com; abundance_uk@yahoogroups.com; bangorforestgarden@yahoogroups.com; cornerstone@...; forest-gardening@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012, 18:30
Subject: [pfaf] Drought in the UK





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#5893 From: fran k <frank_bowman@...>
Date: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Drought in the UK 		frank_bowman
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Thanks for the links Psi calls, heres another link:

The natural world.  Our children in the future will judge us not on what we do, but on whether there is a land base for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUtCKNEqfL8


and ---   2 million views for an old codger giving a lecture about arithmetic? What's going on? You'll just have to watch to see what's so damn amazing about what he (Albert Bartlett) has to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

Frank
From: john willis <wilf1946@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 14:29
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Drought in the UK

 
Hello everyone - add the following to the list of water-wasting activities driven by commerce:  THE LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY.

All the best, John.  

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: frank_bowman@...
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:40:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Drought in the UK

 

Hi Niels,  I heard about these fears in the autumn. the system likes to worry its slaves doesnt it!  But we had an inordinate amount of rain this year over the autumn and winter. 
Is there anything to worry about.  Is there any difference of rainfall in the Uk over all the years records have been kept.?
The UK is an absolutely  rain washed country so it feels odd to think of lack of water as a worrry..
Other countries such as India where people are concerned about water, Vandana Siva and others have explained that this worry is not because of any new shortage of supplies because water has been used wisely by the peoples of those countries for many thousands of years, rather it is because of the 'monetization' of water, where because the ones who are awash with the money tickets can take lots of water for their swimming pools golf courses and western style cash crops, thus depriving the rest who for the most part havent got the money tickets to pay the Earth life admission fees.
"Picture of an Earth for sale sign here."

Some goods are abundant  -- air, beach, sand etc, land for food.    
Other goods are limited but enough if shared out sensibly such as water. 
Other goods are naturally scarce, such as art works and those things put together using resources.   
Water is a very good example of a limited good that has been made scarce by money.

We slaves need these money tickets to live, until we demonetize abundant goods and limited goods. and free our needs,
So I would think the thing to be concerned about really is the issue of why should we have to pay to live on the Planet.

Frank.



From: Niels Corfield <mudguard@...>
To: leeds_permaculture_network@...; Manchester_Permaculture_Network@...; naturewise@yahoogroups.com; northern_permaculture_network@yahoogroups.com; Bristol Permaculture <bristol_permaculture@...>; permaresearchuk@yahoogroups.com; pfaf@yahoogroups.com; abundance_uk@yahoogroups.com; bangorforestgarden@yahoogroups.com; cornerstone@...; forest-gardening@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012, 18:30
Subject: [pfaf] Drought in the UK







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#5894 From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
Date: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:19 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		josepa2...
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           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary

--- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5895 From: "Leo" <leonardusius1968@...>
Date: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:27 pm
Subject: offline 		leonardusius...
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Hi,

Is there any offline version of pfaf.org for those without daily internet
connection ?

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#5896 From: Nicollas <permactiviste@...>
Date: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: offline 		permactiviste
Send Email Send Email
 
 

Hi,

Is there any offline version of pfaf.org for those without daily internet connection ?


Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

Nicollas

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#5897 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:07 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		spiderman18102
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Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary--- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5898 From: Sfsfsdfs Vchghgh <leonardusius1968@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:21 am
Subject: Re: offline 		leonardusius...
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Thany you. Wow, I didn't know about that. Is a ''clone'' of pfaf.org ?

Cheers.
 
 
Hi,

Is there any offline version of pfaf.org for those without daily internet connection ?


Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

Nicollas



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#5899 From: Nick Blue <thedharmahouse@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:32 am
Subject: Please vote for Nick in a sustainability photo competition!! 		thedharmahouse
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Hi everyone!
                         I've been selected for the final stages of a photo competion on sustainability, can you help me  by voting for my photo please!!

Heres the  link to my photo. there's a vote link on the top right of the photo


http://www.caydoo.com/brightons-a-picture-of-sustainability/nick/

 
thanks everyone!!
 
Nick xxx
 


Feel free to share this with your friends and family.  You can also use the "share" widget on the bottom of the picture's page on Caydoo to spread your picture through Facebook, Twitter and other social media.

 


 



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#5900 From: peter chama <chappsy2003@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:02 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		chappsy2003
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Readg wat u guys are sayg about the fun o poting a mango amazes me from
mangoland. Wat would u feel if it were a field of tomato, potato, wat of rice.
Find time 2 move around or migrate 2 zambia, africa.

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#5901 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		spiderman18102
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Dear Peter Chama: Well that is what I am trying to do is just grow one just for the "fun" of it, I am not saying it is "fun"
It means just for the thrill of just trying to growing a Mango (by the way where is MangoLand exactly) in a pot int a place that it is not normaly grown, like  a pot or place like PA/USA.
Sorry to hear you have to find time to migrate to Zambia, Africa. wish I could even afford to go there, an apply for Visa/Passport.  not that I would want to go.
But if you can not tell me how to plant an grow a Mango then why are you here on PFAF. This is designed for people that care for/ grow  plants I thought.
 
 
 
 
 

From: peter chama <chappsy2003@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed

 

Readg wat u guys are sayg about the fun o poting a mango amazes me from mangoland. Wat would u feel if it were a field of tomato, potato, wat of rice. Find time 2 move around or migrate 2 zambia, africa.



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#5902 From: Ludwig <the_pooh_way@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: offline 		the_pooh_way
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Also
You can get a copy of the website for off-line use here:
http://www.pfaf.org/user/cmspage.aspx?pageid=31

Ludwig


On 23/02/2012 10:21, Sfsfsdfs Vchghgh wrote:
 
Thany you. Wow, I didn't know about that. Is a ''clone'' of pfaf.org ?

Cheers.
 
 
Hi,

Is there any offline version of pfaf.org for those without daily internet connection ?


Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

Nicollas



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#5903 From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
Date: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		josepa2...
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           Dear Daniel:
               About a half of a inch deep to a inch with your Mango seed. You should seek a Mango growers Association they'll be of more help than I can be.
               As to why everything grows like wild fire for me, is something I was told many years ago in Texas where I grew up. I was told that I didn't have a green thumb I have a green arm. My dear late mother used to say that I was the only person who could pour gasoline on weeds but instead of it killing them they only got stronger because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.
              In the part of Texas where I grew up a termite would die of thirst, but they did have ants and then they had fire ants as well. 
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef

--- On Thu, 2/23/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07 AM

 
Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary --- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5904 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		spiderman18102
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Dear Yosef: Thank You for thee father information about how to plant the seed this is much more helpful then the other person.
Well I also have a "green thumb" I can grow just about anything, an well I just about have, even illegal plants of course in CA who cares.
But here in PA in not so conducesive to grow that kind of plant, for fear of getting arrested, even just for having the seed in the first place.
List of plants I want to grow:|
Symbiotic Plant (may not be able to grow from seed by least have one)/ this one cacti now illegal in US/ list goes on....
Thank You = Shalom, Shalom
Dan


From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed

 
           Dear Daniel:
               About a half of a inch deep to a inch with your Mango seed. You should seek a Mango growers Association they'll be of more help than I can be.
               As to why everything grows like wild fire for me, is something I was told many years ago in Texas where I grew up. I was told that I didn't have a green thumb I have a green arm. My dear late mother used to say that I was the only person who could pour gasoline on weeds but instead of it killing them they only got stronger because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.
              In the part of Texas where I grew up a termite would die of thirst, but they did have ants and then they had fire ants as well. 
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef

--- On Thu, 2/23/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07 AM

 
Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary --- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out



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#5905 From: Sfsfsdfs Vchghgh <leonardusius1968@...>
Date: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:52 pm
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>>>>Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

>>>Nicollas

Thank you a lot. Didn't know about that. Merveillous work. I hope I could donate some money there when get employed. Even with a common 200Eur wage here, I will put down some euros than. BTW,  I'm a hobbist for flora, wild flowers, herbalism, weeds, etc...  for identification, edibility, usage.. What application/WEb pages do you suggest ?
Cheers.
Leonte



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#5906 From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
Date: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:50 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		josepa2...
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              Dear Daniel:
                 You're right about the plant as you say it's not legal to possess, yet I know some who propagate those same things which you mentioned as there are many varieties of Cacti.
                 As to the wet sand you can't let it dry out as it'll kill the seed. It's like growing of African Violets, it should be done by watering them from underneath. If you water it on top the plants will develop salts from the water on the top. If some one waters it from underneath that won't happen. If a plant has a resolver of water underneath it it'll take it as it needs it.
                In the part of Texas where I grew up it was rather dry, a Termite would die of thirst. What they do have, is ants; including fire ants.
                Some talk about the killer bee's, but I've had friends who claimed that the fire ants can kill a full grown cow.
                In Israel they also have ants, but they never bothered me, my body chemistry was different, strange isn't what doesn't appeal to somethings and yet plants love me.
                My dear late mother used to say about me was that I was the only person who she ever knew who could pour gasoline on weeds only they weren't hurt because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.   
                Friend, I wish you good luck with all your plants, legal or not.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef
--- On Fri, 2/24/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 6:09 AM

 
Dear Yosef: Thank You for thee father information about how to plant the seed this is much more helpful then the other person.
Well I also have a "green thumb" I can grow just about anything, an well I just about have, even illegal plants of course in CA who cares.
But here in PA in not so conducesive to grow that kind of plant, for fear of getting arrested, even just for having the seed in the first place.
List of plants I want to grow:|
Symbiotic Plant (may not be able to grow from seed by least have one)/ this one cacti now illegal in US/ list goes on....
Thank You = Shalom, Shalom
Dan


From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed

 
           Dear Daniel:
               About a half of a inch deep to a inch with your Mango seed. You should seek a Mango growers Association they'll be of more help than I can be.
               As to why everything grows like wild fire for me, is something I was told many years ago in Texas where I grew up. I was told that I didn't have a green thumb I have a green arm. My dear late mother used to say that I was the only person who could pour gasoline on weeds but instead of it killing them they only got stronger because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.
              In the part of Texas where I grew up a termite would die of thirst, but they did have ants and then they had fire ants as well. 
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef

--- On Thu, 2/23/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07 AM

 
Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary --- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out



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#5907 From: Nicollas <permactiviste@...>
Date: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:49 am
Subject: Re: offline 		permactiviste
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2012/2/25 Sfsfsdfs Vchghgh <leonardusius1968@...>
 


>>>>Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

>>>Nicollas

Thank you a lot. Didn't know about that. Merveillous work. I hope I could donate some money there when get employed. Even with a common 200Eur wage here, I will put down some euros than.

Thanks, very appreciated,

~200 downloads so far and no contributions yet
 
BTW,  I'm a hobbist for flora, wild flowers, herbalism, weeds, etc...  for identification, edibility, usage.. What application/WEb pages do you suggest ?


Don't tested yet but maybe google search by image can help to id plants and flowers

Nicollas

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#5908 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:38 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		spiderman18102
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Dear Joseph: Well I hope that someday the plant I am talking about will be legal,
 it is legal in sover 16 states but only with Rx.
As far as the cati I meantion I am not sur eif you kno wwhat "buttons" are but the Native Americans use them
in fact Native Americans can grow them, as well as other plants.
Thank you for the information about watering cacti form bottom as well, I do not always do that, 
But I have found not to water Aloe (which is a succlent) to much.
Ye I have read you comment about termite an fire ants, there are also some real bad ants down in SA
The bullet ant for one, is on eof the nastyest ant, they had some at a place ot observe them, an they got out well it was not pretty, sounds like a sci-fi movie
Shalom Shalom - Thank You
Dan
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
              Dear Daniel:
                 You're right about the plant as you say it's not legal to possess, yet I know some who propagate those same things which you mentioned as there are many varieties of Cacti.
                 As to the wet sand you can't let it dry out as it'll kill the seed. It's like growing of African Violets, it should be done by watering them from underneath. If you water it on top the plants will develop salts from the water on the top. If some one waters it from underneath that won't happen. If a plant has a resolver of water underneath it it'll take it as it needs it.
                In the part of Texas where I grew up it was rather dry, a Termite would die of thirst. What they do have, is ants; including fire ants.
                Some talk about the killer bee's, but I've had friends who claimed that the fire ants can kill a full grown cow.
                In Israel they also have ants, but they never bothered me, my body chemistry was different, strange isn't what doesn't appeal to somethings and yet plants love me.
                My dear late mother used to say about me was that I was the only person who she ever knew who could pour gasoline on weeds only they weren't hurt because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.                   Friend, I wish you good luck with all your plants, legal or not.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Fri, 2/24/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 6:09 AM

 
Dear Yosef: Thank You for thee father information about how to plant the seed this is much more helpful then the other person.
Well I also have a "green thumb" I can grow just about anything, an well I just about have, even illegal plants of course in CA who cares.
But here in PA in not so conducesive to grow that kind of plant, for fear of getting arrested, even just for having the seed in the first place.
List of plants I want to grow:|
Symbiotic Plant (may not be able to grow from seed by least have one)/ this one cacti now illegal in US/ list goes on....
Thank You = Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               About a half of a inch deep to a inch with your Mango seed. You should seek a Mango growers Association they'll be of more help than I can be.
               As to why everything grows like wild fire for me, is something I was told many years ago in Texas where I grew up. I was told that I didn't have a green thumb I have a green arm. My dear late mother used to say that I was the only person who could pour gasoline on weeds but instead of it killing them they only got stronger because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.
              In the part of Texas where I grew up a termite would die of thirst, but they did have ants and then they had fire ants as well. 
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Thu, 2/23/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07 AM

 
Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary --- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5909 From: Griselda Mussett <mussetts@...>
Date: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: offline 		mussetts...
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No sound on the link when I looked.  Not sure what the cause of that is.
I am on a mac but that shouldn't affect it.
It's a great site, btw. 
I will donate some money.
Griselda


On 26 Feb 2012, at 05:49, Nicollas wrote:

 



2012/2/25 Sfsfsdfs Vchghgh <leonardusius1968@...>
 


>>>>Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

>>>Nicollas

Thank you a lot. Didn't know about that. Merveillous work. I hope I could donate some money there when get employed. Even with a common 200Eur wage here, I will put down some euros than.

Thanks, very appreciated,

~200 downloads so far and no contributions yet
 
BTW,  I'm a hobbist for flora, wild flowers, herbalism, weeds, etc...  for identification, edibility, usage.. What application/WEb pages do you suggest ?


Don't tested yet but maybe google search by image can help to id plants and flowers

Nicollas



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#5910 From: Griselda Mussett <mussetts@...>
Date: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: offline 		mussetts...
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I am v sorry but I can't send you money. I don't wish to use Paypal for this, but the payment system will NOT let me use my Visa card to pay you: it keeps saying it must be Paypal. I have tried with various cards. I feel bullied, actually.
If you can think of a way for me to send you money, I will.
Good intention ruined by stupid system.
g


On 26 Feb 2012, at 05:49, Nicollas wrote:

 



2012/2/25 Sfsfsdfs Vchghgh <leonardusius1968@...>
 


>>>>Check http://www.permaculture.eu.org/permaflorae/

>>>Nicollas

Thank you a lot. Didn't know about that. Merveillous work. I hope I could donate some money there when get employed. Even with a common 200Eur wage here, I will put down some euros than.

Thanks, very appreciated,

~200 downloads so far and no contributions yet
 
BTW,  I'm a hobbist for flora, wild flowers, herbalism, weeds, etc...  for identification, edibility, usage.. What application/WEb pages do you suggest ?


Don't tested yet but maybe google search by image can help to id plants and flowers

Nicollas



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#5911 From: Nicollas <permactiviste@...>
Date: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: offline 		permactiviste
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Hi,
 

I am v sorry but I can't send you money. I don't wish to use Paypal for this, but the payment system will NOT let me use my Visa card to pay you: it keeps saying it must be Paypal. I have tried with various cards. I feel bullied, actually.

If you can think of a way for me to send you money, I will.
Good intention ruined by stupid system.
g

Thank you for your kind intentions,
maybe you have some good trees/shrub/perenial seeds you wish to share  ? :)

unfortunatly, my app wont work on Mac until the author of Server2go release a mac version

thx again

Nicollas

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#5912 From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
Date: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:46 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		josepa2...
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             Dear Daniel:
                With the bit of the Rx makes me think we weren't really talking about Cacti but something which if I'm correct is a illegal plant with five leaves in one and used to be used to make hemp rope, but no longer.
                If this is indeed the plants you were in reference to then you're on your own.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef

--- On Sun, 2/26/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 4:38 AM

 
Dear Joseph: Well I hope that someday the plant I am talking about will be legal,
 it is legal in sover 16 states but only with Rx.
As far as the cati I meantion I am not sur eif you kno wwhat "buttons" are but the Native Americans use them
in fact Native Americans can grow them, as well as other plants.
Thank you for the information about watering cacti form bottom as well, I do not always do that, 
But I have found not to water Aloe (which is a succlent) to much.
Ye I have read you comment about termite an fire ants, there are also some real bad ants down in SA
The bullet ant for one, is on eof the nastyest ant, they had some at a place ot observe them, an they got out well it was not pretty, sounds like a sci-fi movie
Shalom Shalom - Thank You
Dan
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
              Dear Daniel:
                 You're right about the plant as you say it's not legal to possess, yet I know some who propagate those same things which you mentioned as there are many varieties of Cacti.
                 As to the wet sand you can't let it dry out as it'll kill the seed. It's like growing of African Violets, it should be done by watering them from underneath. If you water it on top the plants will develop salts from the water on the top. If some one waters it from underneath that won't happen. If a plant has a resolver of water underneath it it'll take it as it needs it.
                In the part of Texas where I grew up it was rather dry, a Termite would die of thirst. What they do have, is ants; including fire ants.
                Some talk about the killer bee's, but I've had friends who claimed that the fire ants can kill a full grown cow.
                In Israel they also have ants, but they never bothered me, my body chemistry was different, strange isn't what doesn't appeal to somethings and yet plants love me.
                My dear late mother used to say about me was that I was the only person who she ever knew who could pour gasoline on weeds only they weren't hurt because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.                    Friend, I wish you good luck with all your plants, legal or not.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Fri, 2/24/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 6:09 AM

 
Dear Yosef: Thank You for thee father information about how to plant the seed this is much more helpful then the other person.
Well I also have a "green thumb" I can grow just about anything, an well I just about have, even illegal plants of course in CA who cares.
But here in PA in not so conducesive to grow that kind of plant, for fear of getting arrested, even just for having the seed in the first place.
List of plants I want to grow:|
Symbiotic Plant (may not be able to grow from seed by least have one)/ this one cacti now illegal in US/ list goes on....
Thank You = Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               About a half of a inch deep to a inch with your Mango seed. You should seek a Mango growers Association they'll be of more help than I can be.
               As to why everything grows like wild fire for me, is something I was told many years ago in Texas where I grew up. I was told that I didn't have a green thumb I have a green arm. My dear late mother used to say that I was the only person who could pour gasoline on weeds but instead of it killing them they only got stronger because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.
              In the part of Texas where I grew up a termite would die of thirst, but they did have ants and then they had fire ants as well. 
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Thu, 2/23/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07 AM

 
Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary --- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5913 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:39 am
Subject: Re: Mango seed 		spiderman18102
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Dear Joseph: Well I am not sure what Rx properties the cacti I am refering to is the Peyote (Lophophora williamsii
Which to my knoledge has been illegal for some time,
As for the 5 leaved plant used to make hemp rope. Makes great pair of pants too but there $$,
Is legal in some states in the US but only with Rx. But now there are growing it in KY/TN an Alaska
so the guys for CA drive up across international lines into Alaska back across international lines, back ot the US. would not want to get cought doing that, But the plants get well over 9' since there is 6 months of sun.
As for the 5 leaved plant in KY/ TN they grow it in the tobbacoo fields, well you guessed it if you cut the tabbacoo
you cut the 5 leafed plant along with it, so the people that smoke are smoking it anyway, so why can others
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
             Dear Daniel:
                With the bit of the Rx makes me think we weren't really talking about Cacti but something which if I'm correct is a illegal plant with five leaves in one and used to be used to make hemp rope, but no longer.
                If this is indeed the plants you were in reference to then you're on your own.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Sun, 2/26/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 4:38 AM

 
Dear Joseph: Well I hope that someday the plant I am talking about will be legal,
 it is legal in sover 16 states but only with Rx.
As far as the cati I meantion I am not sur eif you kno wwhat "buttons" are but the Native Americans use them
in fact Native Americans can grow them, as well as other plants.
Thank you for the information about watering cacti form bottom as well, I do not always do that, 
But I have found not to water Aloe (which is a succlent) to much.Ye I have read you comment about termite an fire ants, there are also some real bad ants down in SA
The bullet ant for one, is on eof the nastyest ant, they had some at a place ot observe them, an they got out well it was not pretty, sounds like a sci-fi movie
Shalom Shalom - Thank You
Dan
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
              Dear Daniel:
                 You're right about the plant as you say it's not legal to possess, yet I know some who propagate those same things which you mentioned as there are many varieties of Cacti.
                 As to the wet sand you can't let it dry out as it'll kill the seed. It's like growing of African Violets, it should be done by watering them from underneath. If you water it on top the plants will develop salts from the water on the top. If some one waters it from underneath that won't happen. If a plant has a resolver of water underneath it it'll take it as it needs it.
                In the part of Texas where I grew up it was rather dry, a Termite would die of thirst. What they do have, is ants; including fire ants.
                Some talk about the killer bee's, but I've had friends who claimed that the fire ants can kill a full grown cow.
                In Israel they also have ants, but they never bothered me, my body chemistry was different, strange isn't what doesn't appeal to somethings and yet plants love me.
                My dear late mother used to say about me was that I was the only person who she ever knew who could pour gasoline on weeds only they weren't hurt because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.                    Friend, I wish you good luck with all your plants, legal or not.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Fri, 2/24/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 6:09 AM

 
Dear Yosef: Thank You for thee father information about how to plant the seed this is much more helpful then the other person.
Well I also have a "green thumb" I can grow just about anything, an well I just about have, even illegal plants of course in CA who cares.
But here in PA in not so conducesive to grow that kind of plant, for fear of getting arrested, even just for having the seed in the first place.
List of plants I want to grow:|
Symbiotic Plant (may not be able to grow from seed by least have one)/ this one cacti now illegal in US/ list goes on....
Thank You = Shalom, Shalom
Dan

From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               About a half of a inch deep to a inch with your Mango seed. You should seek a Mango growers Association they'll be of more help than I can be.
               As to why everything grows like wild fire for me, is something I was told many years ago in Texas where I grew up. I was told that I didn't have a green thumb I have a green arm. My dear late mother used to say that I was the only person who could pour gasoline on weeds but instead of it killing them they only got stronger because they knew that I didn't mean them any harm.
              In the part of Texas where I grew up a termite would die of thirst, but they did have ants and then they had fire ants as well. 
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef --- On Thu, 2/23/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "pfaf@yahoogroups.com" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07 AM

 
Dear Yosef or Joseph A Cleary: Thank you for sharing your experience with Avocado's/ native Cedar.
Have you tried to Bonsai the Native Cedar maybe that would work.
I know they have Bonsai Red Wood I I would not see why it would not work.
But most of all thank you for the information about planting my one mango seed. Would you know how deep to plant the seed?
I want to grow a Olive from seed only thing is to just get one seed is not so easy, do not know anybody that even would have one.
 
Last seed I want to try an grow is a Tagua Nut, of course it takes 7yrs just to germinate, and yes I can get just one seed, then wait till it grows.
 
Thank You - Shalom, Shalom
Dan
From: Joseph A Cleary <josepa2@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph Cleary <josepa2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Mango seed
 
           Dear Daniel:
               I too have grown a Avocado, mine got so big I had to give mine away, for me it only took two years for it to be bigger than I am.
               It's like me planting a native Cedar and in two years it was over seven feet tall and it was over four feet across. It too was given away.
               When you plant your Mango seed you might try to keep it in wet sand, but don't drown it.
               Good luck.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef or Joseph A. Cleary --- On Tue, 2/21/12, daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...> wrote:

From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Mango seed
To: "PFF List" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 2:54 AM

 
Hello all this is the first email of this yr form me anyway.
Well I bought thi mango they were 10 for $10 so I only out one an feed the flesh to my tortoise, not sure if Plated Lizard ate any. anyway..
I drided the seed, now the question is how to plant the seed, is there a depth/ certain way to face the seed etc. what kind of soil what kind of pot,
what kind of light, etc. 
Of course I realize that it will out grow the pot/ Apt some day, but before that I can have fun growing it
Then you may be ask your self why go though all that just to grow a Mango. For the knowledge/ experience/ an just plain fun of it

On another subject just related to this I grew a Avocado on guy say it would get 40' tall, had lot of fun with that one too

Next is a Pineapple, the lady across the street from me grew one hers did great, so I figure  can grow one also, can wait 

Will let you all know how the experiments turn out

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#5914 From: "frank_bowman" <frank_bowman@...>
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: Willow uk 		frank_bowman
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Willow available.

 

Large Willow maze at Kinmel Bay, that needs yearly coppicing.

 

Could you please pass on to anyone you think may be interested. For any more info, and photos and more detail of the willow species please message or email me.

 

Biofuel willow.  Basket willow.  Hurdle willow.  Structure willow.  9 varieties listed below..  

 

The average amount one can easily cut in one day is 1000, to 2000, and a lot of these can be divided into 2 or 3 for planting out.  Which, is easy because you literally poke them into the ground about 6 " deep or more if you can.   I average about 250 to 350 planted in an hour.  

 

The people who own the Willow maze appreciate it being cut, which has to be done yearly in order that it becomes very bushy.   

 

Each whip normally costs around  £1ea to buy. 

 

Its at the Chester Avenue, community woodland, in Kinmel Bay, next to Rhyl.

 

The address is Chester Avenue, Kinmel Bay, which is a road to the left, as you come down the St Asaph Rd, to the beach.

 

Communities first established the gardens originally, and their tel number is 01745361140.   They'll tell you its not their responsibility any more and that you will have to contact the clerk of the council, Dave Courns, and his number is 01745355899.   Usually he'll be happy to tell you to go and coppice what you like. There's 9 good varieties to choose from..    But, if your getting a lot then it'd be best just to check with Dave first.

 

The Link for directions on a map is below:.

 

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=active&q=chester+avenue,+kinmel+bay&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Rhodfa+Caer,+Kinmel+Bay,+Rhyl,+Clwyd+LL18+5LA,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ei=44yWS7G0GYe80gS1vejwCw&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA&z=16

 

The willow can be coppiced up until April, but the earlier the better.  

For the work,  I would suggest a good pair of gloves and perhaps knee pads, or a kneeling mat. You cut the willow right at the base, you can use secateurs no problem, but some stems can be thick so a little pair of hand held loppers, ie the next cutters up from secateurs are best. Also bring string to tie up the bundles.   The varieties that are planted there are the varieties in the pdf document.

Its fairly easy to cut more than 1000 in a day, and at a normal cost of £1 each that's pretty good. I've found that a normal planting rate is about 250 an hour. For planting you stick the branches in the ground as deep as you can.

I've found that its much better to plant them as short sticks at about 2' above ground if planting in grass, (1' , or as deep as you can underneath ground.) I've planted them as 6 – 8' lengths, but when they're that big its much harder for the energy in the willow to focus on growing roots and establishing themselves.

 

 

List and descriptions of the Willow that was originally planted:

 

VIMINALIS Osier SUPER WILLOW 

Very vigorous, producing long straight rods up to 3m+ (1O'+) a year. Traditionally used to make sturdy, practical baskets for fishing and agricultural use. Two year old material is often used for hurdle uprights, furniture, etc. Other uses include living structures, windbreaks, soil stabilisation, waste filtration, fuel production, and artist charcoal. Long leaves and catkins.

 

DASYCLADOS "SUPER WILLOW" 

Very vigorous hybrid willow. Slightly shorter but thicker than viminalis. Suitable for windbreaks, soil stabilisation, waste filtration, and fuel production. Broad leaves

 

CHINESE "SUPER WILLOW"

Very vigorous producing long rods up to 3m+ (10'+). Shiny green stems turning orangey shades towards tips. Suitable for living structures, soil stabilisation, waste filtration, fuel production, ornamental use. Attractive long, narrow leaves and abundant catkins

 

Q83 "SUPER WILLOW" (hybrid of viminalis and triandra)   The vigour of viminalis and weaving qualities of triandra. Attractive medium brown stems. Triandra-like leaves and catkins. Favoured by hurdle makers, and suitable for other willow crafts including large basketry and living structures. Also useful for soil stabilisation, waste filtration and ornamental use. Not suitable for extreme environments.

 

TRIANDRA Almond-leafed Willow 

Traditional basket willow still grown commercially today in Somerset levels. Brown bark. Useful for dried willow crafts and living willow structures and ornamental use. Glossy serrated leaves, catkins. Does not like extreme environments.

 

DAPHNOIDES Violet Willow 

Tough, vigorous and decorative, deep violet rods up to 2-3m. Some side shoots. Useful for living structures, windbreaks, waste filtration and colourful stems in winter. Attractive leaves and catkins.

 

PURPUREA 

Traditional basket variety producing medium fine rods up to 2m long. Mainly green in colour. Attractive blue/green glaucus leaves. Will make an attractive garden hedge.

 

EUGENII 

Probably the tallest growing of the purpureas. Very long straight rods 2-3m. Long narrow blue/green glaucus leaves and abundant catkins. An attractive variety for basketry, crafts, living structures, garden hedges and bee fodder.

 

DARK DICKS 

Very fine basket variety. Rods 1-2m long. As the name suggests - dark purple in colour.

 

ALBA - VITELLINA 

Rich yellow coloured stems make this a popular variety for landscape work. Can be grown as a shrub or a tree. Suitable for a garden hedge.

 

FLANDERS RED 

Hybrid of albe and fragilis. A highly sought after basket variety producing long straight rods that dry to a rich orangey brown. Rods up to 2m+


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#5915 From: Paula Harrison <scattybiker1972@...>
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: Willow uk 		scattybiker1972
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hi if we cut the willow do we have to pay or is it have it in retuyrn for labour sort of thing?

From: frank_bowman <frank_bowman@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 16:13
Subject: [pfaf] Willow uk

 
Willow available.
 
Large Willow maze at Kinmel Bay, that needs yearly coppicing.
 
Could you please pass on to anyone you think may be interested. For any more info, and photos and more detail of the willow species please message or email me.
 
Biofuel willow.  Basket willow.  Hurdle willow.  Structure willow.  9 varieties listed below..  
 
The average amount one can easily cut in one day is 1000, to 2000, and a lot of these can be divided into 2 or 3 for planting out.  Which, is easy because you literally poke them into the ground about 6 " deep or more if you can.   I average about 250 to 350 planted in an hour.  
 
The people who own the Willow maze appreciate it being cut, which has to be done yearly in order that it becomes very bushy.   
 
Each whip normally costs around  Â£1ea to buy. 
 
Its at the Chester Avenue, community woodland, in Kinmel Bay, next to Rhyl.
 
The address is Chester Avenue, Kinmel Bay, which is a road to the left, as you come down the St Asaph Rd, to the beach.
 
Communities first established the gardens originally, and their tel number is 01745361140.   They'll tell you its not their responsibility any more and that you will have to contact the clerk of the council, Dave Courns, and his number is 01745355899.   Usually he'll be happy to tell you to go and coppice what you like. There's 9 good varieties to choose from..    But, if your getting a lot then it'd be best just to check with Dave first.
 
The Link for directions on a map is below:.
 
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=active&q=chester+avenue,+kinmel+bay&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Rhodfa+Caer,+Kinmel+Bay,+Rhyl,+Clwyd+LL18+5LA,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ei=44yWS7G0GYe80gS1vejwCw&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA&z=16
 
The willow can be coppiced up until April, but the earlier the better.  
For the work,  I would suggest a good pair of gloves and perhaps knee pads, or a kneeling mat. You cut the willow right at the base, you can use secateurs no problem, but some stems can be thick so a little pair of hand held loppers, ie the next cutters up from secateurs are best. Also bring string to tie up the bundles.   The varieties that are planted there are the varieties in the pdf document.
Its fairly easy to cut more than 1000 in a day, and at a normal cost of £1 each that's pretty good. I've found that a normal planting rate is about 250 an hour. For planting you stick the branches in the ground as deep as you can.
I've found that its much better to plant them as short sticks at about 2' above ground if planting in grass, (1' , or as deep as you can underneath ground.) I've planted them as 6 – 8' lengths, but when they're that big its much harder for the energy in the willow to focus on growing roots and establishing themselves.
 
 
List and descriptions of the Willow that was originally planted:
 
VIMINALIS Osier SUPER WILLOW 
Very vigorous, producing long straight rods up to 3m+ (1O'+) a year. Traditionally used to make sturdy, practical baskets for fishing and agricultural use. Two year old material is often used for hurdle uprights, furniture, etc. Other uses include living structures, windbreaks, soil stabilisation, waste filtration, fuel production, and artist charcoal. Long leaves and catkins.
 
DASYCLADOS "SUPER WILLOW" 
Very vigorous hybrid willow. Slightly shorter but thicker than viminalis. Suitable for windbreaks, soil stabilisation, waste filtration, and fuel production. Broad leaves
 
CHINESE "SUPER WILLOW"
Very vigorous producing long rods up to 3m+ (10'+). Shiny green stems turning orangey shades towards tips. Suitable for living structures, soil stabilisation, waste filtration, fuel production, ornamental use. Attractive long, narrow leaves and abundant catkins
 
Q83 "SUPER WILLOW" (hybrid of viminalis and triandra)   The vigour of viminalis and weaving qualities of triandra. Attractive medium brown stems. Triandra-like leaves and catkins. Favoured by hurdle makers, and suitable for other willow crafts including large basketry and living structures. Also useful for soil stabilisation, waste filtration and ornamental use. Not suitable for extreme environments.
 
TRIANDRA Almond-leafed Willow 
Traditional basket willow still grown commercially today in Somerset levels. Brown bark. Useful for dried willow crafts and living willow structures and ornamental use. Glossy serrated leaves, catkins. Does not like extreme environments.
 
DAPHNOIDES Violet Willow 
Tough, vigorous and decorative, deep violet rods up to 2-3m. Some side shoots. Useful for living structures, windbreaks, waste filtration and colourful stems in winter. Attractive leaves and catkins.
 
PURPUREA 
Traditional basket variety producing medium fine rods up to 2m long. Mainly green in colour. Attractive blue/green glaucus leaves. Will make an attractive garden hedge.
 
EUGENII 
Probably the tallest growing of the purpureas. Very long straight rods 2-3m. Long narrow blue/green glaucus leaves and abundant catkins. An attractive variety for basketry, crafts, living structures, garden hedges and bee fodder.
 
DARK DICKS 
Very fine basket variety. Rods 1-2m long. As the name suggests - dark purple in colour.
 
ALBA - VITELLINA 
Rich yellow coloured stems make this a popular variety for landscape work. Can be grown as a shrub or a tree. Suitable for a garden hedge.
 
FLANDERS RED 
Hybrid of albe and fragilis. A highly sought after basket variety producing long straight rods that dry to a rich orangey brown. Rods up to 2m+



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