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#5066 From: Matteo Mazzola <silvanelfo@...>
Date: Tue Jun 8, 2010 7:01 am
Subject: Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
silvanelfo
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Hi guys, 

do you know if animals  liver (cow, pigs, chicken,ect) could have any problem if comfrey would be given on a daily basis?

I know that human should avoid to eat too much comfrey because Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids could clog liver veins. 

Do you think making silage from comfrey could inhibit that alkaloid?
Do you know how much comfrey can eat a domestic animal per day?


Thanks

Matteo



#5067 From: "planetn1" <ave7461@...>
Date: Mon Jun 7, 2010 10:18 pm
Subject: Self-building an Earthship in Brighton - few places left
planetn1
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Course 1: 11 – 13 June 2010 (Friday - Sunday)
Course 2: 16 – 18 June 2010 (Wednesday - Friday)
Full details of these and other permaculture coursea and events:
www.brightonpermaculture.org.uk

#5068 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:04 am
Subject: Re: Athoum Sedum Plant
spiderman18102
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Hello: Here are a fews links/info on the sedum you asked about
From what I know/read it is a sort of vineing plant/succlent, it looks to be smallI could not see why it could not be grown ndoors, only thing I could suggestis to try an grow it indoors.Let me know of you progress if you try it.
 I have grown Hen&Chicks - Crassulaceae indoors, only thing is they never seem to spreed or produce any chicks
 
Links to Sedum althum:
 
 

Plump green rosettes of leaves that color to red in the heat of summer. Flowers are light pink to white. Compact grower will not become invasive. Native of Yugoslavia and Greece. Evergreen.

 

http://www.squawmountaingardens.com/product.cfm?CID=1

Sedum album 'Athoum'
Fat leaves are apple green with tips turning red in late summer. Small pink flowers. Nice winter color. From Greece & former Yugoslavia. Zone 4

 

Thank You Dan the PlantMan


From: melcraft1993 <melcraft1993@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 2:48:30 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Athoum Sedum Plant

 

Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this specific plant and growing it indoors. Would it grow and survive well? How large does it usually get?
Thank you



#5069 From: "Joel Ridgeway" <joeliridgeway@...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:45 pm
Subject: RE: Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
knightinshin...
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Hi Matteo,

 

Comfrey is banned in Australia and some other countries because of bad press and drug companies. Comfrey has been used for thousands of years internally and it never caused a problem. Read the following article:

http://www.herbsarespecial.com.au/free-herb-information/comfrey.html

 

Regards,

 

Joel  

 

From: pfaf@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pfaf@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matteo Mazzola
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2010 5:02 PM
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pfaf] Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )

 

 

Hi guys, 

 

do you know if animals  liver (cow, pigs, chicken,ect) could have any problem if comfrey would be given on a daily basis?

 

I know that human should avoid to eat too much comfrey because Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids could clog liver veins. 

 

Do you think making silage from comfrey could inhibit that alkaloid?

Do you know how much comfrey can eat a domestic animal per day?

 

 

Thanks

 

Matteo

 

 

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#5070 From: Michael Porter <michaels4gardens@...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:39 am
Subject: RE: Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
michaels4gar...
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I have fed Comfrey to Rabbits and chickens, to test it as a feed additive,
   Rabbits, ---I fed up to 50%of the diet with no problems, while in confinement. 
 After an incease to 75% in Rabbits, I noticed a slower growth rate and over-all
 poorer health, , upon butcher there was some liver discoloration, that was not
evident when previous trial Rabbits were butchered.
   In the chickens no negative effect was noticed, until increase to 90% of diet, then
poor growth rate was noticed, but no liver damage was noticed at butcher
[none visible by observation]  -when Chickens were put in a fenced feild with
 comfrey as the field crop, and fed no other food, there was no noticable negative
 result, ,how-ever they did keep all the weeds eaten , and scratch for bugs. 
 I think Comfrey has had some very misleading bad press, --

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, Joel Ridgeway <joeliridgeway@...> wrote:

From: Joel Ridgeway <joeliridgeway@...>
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:45 PM

 

Hi Matteo,

 

Comfrey is banned in Australia and some other countries because of bad press and drug companies. Comfrey has been used for thousands of years internally and it never caused a problem. Read the following article:

http://www.herbsare special.com. au/free-herb- information/ comfrey.html

 

Regards,

 

Joel  

 

From: pfaf@yahoogroups. com [mailto:pfaf@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Matteo Mazzola
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2010 5:02 PM
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [pfaf] Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )

 

 

Hi guys, 

 

do you know if animals  liver (cow, pigs, chicken,ect) could have any problem if comfrey would be given on a daily basis?

 

I know that human should avoid to eat too much comfrey because Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids could clog liver veins. 

 

Do you think making silage from comfrey could inhibit that alkaloid?

Do you know how much comfrey can eat a domestic animal per day?

 

 

Thanks

 

Matteo

 

 

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#5071 From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Athoum Sedum Plant
gardenchick1949
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If you grow it by a sunny window it should be ok. 
Sedum is the plant we used almost exclusively in Germany on green roofs.
They don't like shade, and don't water succulents very often.
Gail


From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:04:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Athoum Sedum Plant

 

Hello: Here are a fews links/info on the sedum you asked about
From what I know/read it is a sort of vineing plant/succlent, it looks to be smallI could not see why it could not be grown ndoors, only thing I could suggestis to try an grow it indoors.Let me know of you progress if you try it.
 I have grown Hen&Chicks - Crassulaceae indoors, only thing is they never seem to spreed or produce any chicks
 
Links to Sedum althum:
 
 

Plump green rosettes of leaves that color to red in the heat of summer. Flowers are light pink to white. Compact grower will not become invasive. Native of Yugoslavia and Greece. Evergreen.

 

http://www.squawmou ntaingardens. com/product. cfm?CID=1

Sedum album 'Athoum'
Fat leaves are apple green with tips turning red in late summer. Small pink flowers. Nice winter color. From Greece & former Yugoslavia. Zone 4

 

Thank You Dan the PlantMan


From: melcraft1993 <melcraft1993@ yahoo.com>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 2:48:30 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Athoum Sedum Plant

 

Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this specific plant and growing it indoors. Would it grow and survive well? How large does it usually get?
Thank you




#5072 From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Athoum Sedum Plant
spiderman18102
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Hello Gail: Thank You for that little bit of info, But I was not the one asking about growing Sedum indoors,
it was someone else in the group, But I hope they are following this information, Danke Dan


From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 10:08:05 AM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Athoum Sedum Plant

 

If you grow it by a sunny window it should be ok. 
Sedum is the plant we used almost exclusively in Germany on green roofs.
They don't like shade, and don't water succulents very often.
Gail


From: daniel wildman <spiderman18102@ yahoo.com>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:04:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Athoum Sedum Plant

 

Hello: Here are a fews links/info on the sedum you asked about
From what I know/read it is a sort of vineing plant/succlent, it looks to be smallI could not see why it could not be grown ndoors, only thing I could suggestis to try an grow it indoors.Let me know of you progress if you try it.
 I have grown Hen&Chicks - Crassulaceae indoors, only thing is they never seem to spreed or produce any chicks
 
Links to Sedum althum:
http://www.greenroofplants.com/Catalogweb/Sedum_album_Athoum.htm
 
 
http://www.sedumphotos.net/v/sedum-a/Sedum+album+Athoum+_1_.jpg.html

Plump green rosettes of leaves that color to red in the heat of summer. Flowers are light pink to white. Compact grower will not become invasive. Native of Yugoslavia and Greece. Evergreen.

 

http://www.squawmou ntaingardens. com/product. cfm?CID=1

Sedum album 'Athoum'
Fat leaves are apple green with tips turning red in late summer. Small pink flowers. Nice winter color. From Greece & former Yugoslavia. Zone 4

 

Thank You Dan the PlantMan


From: melcraft1993 <melcraft1993@ yahoo.com>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 2:48:30 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Athoum Sedum Plant

 

Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this specific plant and growing it indoors. Would it grow and survive well? How large does it usually get?
Thank you





#5073 From: Francesca Beamish <cesca@...>
Date: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
cesbeamish
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i can recommend 'Comfrey past, present and future' by Laurance Hills
it list how to use comfrey for fodder and protein levels, minerals etc
an old book(1976) but takes a scientific approach to all the benefits of comfrey

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Michael Porter <michaels4gardens@...> wrote:
 

I have fed Comfrey to Rabbits and chickens, to test it as a feed additive,
   Rabbits, ---I fed up to 50%of the diet with no problems, while in confinement. 
 After an incease to 75% in Rabbits, I noticed a slower growth rate and over-all
 poorer health, , upon butcher there was some liver discoloration, that was not
evident when previous trial Rabbits were butchered.
   In the chickens no negative effect was noticed, until increase to 90% of diet, then
poor growth rate was noticed, but no liver damage was noticed at butcher
[none visible by observation]  -when Chickens were put in a fenced feild with
 comfrey as the field crop, and fed no other food, there was no noticable negative
 result, ,how-ever they did keep all the weeds eaten , and scratch for bugs. 
 I think Comfrey has had some very misleading bad press, --

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, Joel Ridgeway <joeliridgeway@...> wrote:

From: Joel Ridgeway <joeliridgeway@...>
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:45 PM

 

Hi Matteo,

 

Comfrey is banned in Australia and some other countries because of bad press and drug companies. Comfrey has been used for thousands of years internally and it never caused a problem. Read the following article:

http://www.herbsare special.com. au/free-herb- information/ comfrey.html

 

Regards,

 

Joel  

 

From: pfaf@yahoogroups. com [mailto:pfaf@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Matteo Mazzola
Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2010 5:02 PM
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [pfaf] Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )

 

 

Hi guys, 

 

do you know if animals  liver (cow, pigs, chicken,ect) could have any problem if comfrey would be given on a daily basis?

 

I know that human should avoid to eat too much comfrey because Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids could clog liver veins. 

 

Do you think making silage from comfrey could inhibit that alkaloid?

Do you know how much comfrey can eat a domestic animal per day?

 

 

Thanks

 

Matteo

 

 

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#5074 From: Rhisiart Gwilym <Rhisiart@...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:06 am
Subject: Re: Comfrey as animal fodder (Hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids )
Rhisiart@...
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You can get a complete e-book by Lawrence about comfrey and its uses (one of his great specialities), free or for a donation, from this site: www.soilandhealth.org/

E-copies of 'The One-Straw Revolution' are also available from this source.

RhG



i can recommend 'Comfrey past, present and future' by Laurance Hills
it list how to use comfrey for fodder and protein levels, minerals etc
an old book(1976) but takes a scientific approach to all the benefits of comfrey

Cesca Beamish
Corner Plot
07963833611

#5075 From: "planetn1" <ave7461@...>
Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:24 pm
Subject: Brighton Permaculture Trust courses/events that may be of interest:
planetn1
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Forest Gardening 26-27 June 2010 & 3-4 July  2010
Intro to Permaculture 10-11 July 2010
Scything 7-8 August 2010
Fruit Tree Grafting 14 August 2010
Apple Day - free event 26 September 2010
Practical Permaculture Gardening 2-3 October 2010
Green Roofs 13-14 November 2010
Pruning Old Fruit Trees 15-16 Jan 2011 & 18-19 Jan 2011
Mushroom Cultivation 7-8 May 2011

Details: www.brightonpermaculture.org.uk

#5076 From: Infowolf1@...
Date: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Plants to follow chicken
infowolf1
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why not sweep up the chicken poop and let it compost in a little pile, and keep it from
over acidifying the ground?

Mary Christine



-----Original Message-----
From: Matteo Mazzola <silvanelfo@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Plants to follow chicken

 
hey!

the chicken poo is highly concentrated, with very much of nitrogen. They soil get quite fast "burnt" by that nitrogen and just few plants can deal with that condition. Compaction is the progressive consequence of a soil without plants/roots that "hold" the structure of the soil. 

What you can do are small chicken wire domes or structures that protect highly growing, nutritious plants. The wire will protect the plants from overgrazing but the chickens will manage to eat some of the leaves growing out from the wire. 
A very good plant for this is comfrey. 
You can also plant mulberries in that space.. chickens like those fruit very much! 
I leave the advice for good fodder plants to the experts! 

good luck

Matteo


Da: lesleysprite <beanorange@hotmail.com>
A: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Mar 20 aprile 2010, 14:38:31
Oggetto: [pfaf] Plants to follow chicken

 

My chickens are free roaming most of the time but they will be in their enclosure enough to scrape it bare in a few months, and may be for parasites to build up.

My intention is to double the size of the enclosure and split it, grow something in one half, giving it a break from the chickens and swap round after some as yet undecided period.
Does anyone have any suggestions, something that I or the chickens could eat?

I can see the patch of ground that chickens were kept on a while back and it it's bare except for dock leaves, is this because the ground is very acidic? It may just be compacted from people walking in the enclosure.

I somehow had the idea in my head that the chicken poo and scratching would be quite good for the soil, but my neighbours who kept the previous chickens say not, and are sceptical of me being able to grow anything there. Any ideas gratefully received.

Thanks a lot



#5077 From: Ute Bohnsack <sustag@...>
Date: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:53 am
Subject: Re[2]: Plants to follow chicken
bonsac2003
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Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:33:18 AM, you wrote:

Iac> why not sweep up the chicken poop and let it compost in a little pile, and
keep it from
Iac> over acidifying the ground?


Iac> Mary Christine

My chickens are enclosed with electric nets. This spring I moved one of the pens
to fresh ground. The old ground (young orchard) was well used, more like
over-used, totally bare from 2 years of scratching and poop.
I bought some wild bird seed mix to sow there but never got around to sowing it.
Within a few weeks the ground was green again with all manners of
plants - Chenopodiums, chickweed, Polygonum, chamomile, stinging nettle, grasses
etc. The tortured (by the chickens) horseradish under the apple trees exploded
into growth. It is now 5 ft. high. I have been taking lots of greens from this
new growth for chicks in other runs and in the brooder and even grazed the goats
over part of the massive new growth.
Recently I even discovered mushrooms (champignons) that I'd never
before seem on our land.
Encouraged by this I moved another bit of fencing in an adjacent run and planted
some courgettes. They aren't doing so well though, probably too shaded from
large trees and competing with tree roots. But in one sunny patch I put up a
ring of 1/4 inch weldmesh, 5ft high, 5ft in diameter - the weldmesh is to stop
the
tiny chicks from slipping through - lightly forked the ground and planted a mix
of
lettuces, rainbow chard, and leeks. They are doing great. This could be done at
a
larger scale.
Now I'm not saying this works everywhere. I'm in Ireland and our climate is mild
and wet. Perhaps with all the rain, more of the faeces get washed away,
fertilizing the bordering biomass & shelter willows. Our soil here is a loamy
clay.
I'm still going to sow the wild bird mix in another run, just for more
diversity, but, at least in our place, there seems to be a massive seed bank in
the soil that fills the vacuum as soon as the birds are removed.

HTH
Ute

#5078 From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:27 am
Subject: Re: Plants to follow chicken
icculus2000
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Hi there,
 
I'm Steve in Bermuda.
 
This response is more to do with the birds themselves than the fodder.. you guys already know about comfrey and dandelions, etc, so I won't go over it again.
 
I run several chickens in a tractor (portable bottomless cage), and mostly I like to keep them moving onto fresh forage/lounge area.  There are several really good reasons for this; namely, the chickens get a diverse intake of protein and greens, they are less stressed and they aren't lounging on their own droppings. 
However, several times I have used the tractor to create a deep mulch bed.  To do this I spread and inch or two of fresh, dry hay on top of the old hay every day or two...  after a week or two, there's a thick mat of hay which is nicely interspersed with chicken manure.  After removing the tractor, I water the piles a few times.. not strictly necessary, but compost loves to be moist.  After a month or two, the entire lower half of the pile is beautiful and fluffy, mixed into the soil gradually by the earthworms and other decomposers.  Seriously, it looks like chocolate cake.
 
I plant right into this.  Yes, it does need some time to mellow out, but there's no turning or digging. 
The carbon in the hay ties up the nitrogen in the manure.
 
Peace,
 
Steve.


--
The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care.
And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
 ~ Gandalf

#5079 From: Allmende Verden <allmendeperma@...>
Date: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:05 pm
Subject: ...is this list still working?...
allmendeperma
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Hmm, no mails since midjuli...
...and that this doesnt bore you only: Our biggest peaches are dead
since we had extreme latefrosts this year (the young leaves died), the
same problems on young castaneas and juglans´. We had the most extreme
mousepopulation ever in the following drought. The trees had very few
fruits due to extreme long&cold winter and late frosts killing
flowers. That´s a bit of this year in north germany. &greetings from
Klaus

Zitat von Steve <permalove@...>:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm Steve in Bermuda.
>
> This response is more to do with the birds themselves than the fodder.. you
> guys already know about comfrey and dandelions, etc, so I won't go over it
> again.
>
> I run several chickens in a tractor (portable bottomless cage), and mostly I
> like to keep them moving onto fresh forage/lounge area.  There are several
> really good reasons for this; namely, the chickens get a diverse intake of
> protein and greens, they are less stressed and they aren't lounging on their
> own droppings.
> However, several times I have used the tractor to create a deep mulch bed.
> To do this I spread and inch or two of fresh, dry hay on top of the old hay
> every day or two...  after a week or two, there's a thick mat of hay which
> is nicely interspersed with chicken manure.  After removing the tractor, I
> water the piles a few times.. not strictly necessary, but compost loves to
> be moist.  After a month or two, the entire lower half of the pile is
> beautiful and fluffy, mixed into the soil gradually by the earthworms and
> other decomposers.  Seriously, it looks like chocolate cake.
>
> I plant right into this.  Yes, it does need some time to mellow out, but
> there's no turning or digging.
> The carbon in the hay ties up the nitrogen in the manure.
>
> Peace,
>
> Steve.
>
>
> --
> The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
> But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are
> my care.
> And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes
> through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again
> in days to come.
> For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
>  ~ Gandalf
>



Allmende e.V.-Gemeinschaftlicher Permakulturgarten für Verden
Artilleriestr. 6
D-27283 Verden
Tel   (+49) 4231- 90 30 470 (lange aufs Klingeln warten)
Mobil (+49) 17 66166 8718
http://www.allmende.de.vu
Wir bieten Praktika und freiwilliges ökologisches Jahr.

#5080 From: Geir Flatabø <geirf@...>
Date: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:32 am
Subject: Re: ...is this list still working?...
geirflatab
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Reg......
Peaches...and Nectarines
Anyne have
early maturing
and
Curly leaf - (Taphrina ) resistant peaches,
willing to send me some pits ??
 
Geir Flatabø

2010/9/29 Allmende Verden <allmendeperma@...>
Hmm, no mails since midjuli...
...and that this doesnt bore you only: Our biggest peaches are dead
since we had extreme latefrosts this year (the young leaves died), the
same problems on young castaneas and juglans´. We had the most extreme
mousepopulation ever in the following drought. The trees had very few
fruits due to extreme long&cold winter and late frosts killing
flowers. That´s a bit of this year in north germany. &greetings from
Klaus

Zitat von Steve <permalove@...>:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm Steve in Bermuda.
>
> This response is more to do with the birds themselves than the fodder.. you
> guys already know about comfrey and dandelions, etc, so I won't go over it
> again.
>
> I run several chickens in a tractor (portable bottomless cage), and mostly I
> like to keep them moving onto fresh forage/lounge area.  There are several
> really good reasons for this; namely, the chickens get a diverse intake of
> protein and greens, they are less stressed and they aren't lounging on their
> own droppings.
> However, several times I have used the tractor to create a deep mulch bed.
> To do this I spread and inch or two of fresh, dry hay on top of the old hay
> every day or two...  after a week or two, there's a thick mat of hay which
> is nicely interspersed with chicken manure.  After removing the tractor, I
> water the piles a few times.. not strictly necessary, but compost loves to
> be moist.  After a month or two, the entire lower half of the pile is
> beautiful and fluffy, mixed into the soil gradually by the earthworms and
> other decomposers.  Seriously, it looks like chocolate cake.
>
> I plant right into this.  Yes, it does need some time to mellow out, but
> there's no turning or digging.
> The carbon in the hay ties up the nitrogen in the manure.
>
> Peace,
>
> Steve.
>
>
> --
> The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
> But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are
> my care.
> And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes
> through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again
> in days to come.
> For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
>  ~ Gandalf
>



Allmende e.V.-Gemeinschaftlicher Permakulturgarten für Verden
Artilleriestr. 6
D-27283 Verden
Tel   (+49) 4231- 90 30 470 (lange aufs Klingeln warten)
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#5081 From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:04 am
Subject: Re: ...is this list still working?
icculus2000
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Hi Klaus,
 
Sorry to hear about your peaches. 
 
We just had a hurricane, so a few losses here too.  A papaya and a couple pigeon peas - lots of good organic material there for later, though. 
 
Have you heard of the Austrian permaculturist Sepp Holzer?  He specializes in cold climate techniques... if you're not already into his talks, I can recommend a few on 'You Tube.' 
You're actually in a good position to go visit his place. 
 
Peace,
 
Steve.
 

--
The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care.
And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
 ~ Gandalf

#5082 From: Geir Flatabø <geirf@...>
Date: Sun Oct 3, 2010 7:26 am
Subject: Fwd: Sensory ganglionopathy due to gluten sensitivity.
geirflatab
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Sensory ganglionopathy due to gluten sensitivity.

Neurology. 2010 Sep 14;75(11):1003-1008

Authors: Hadjivassiliou M, Rao DG, Wharton SB, Sanders DS, Grünewald RA, Davies-Jones AG

OBJECTIVES: Gluten sensitivity can engender neurologic dysfunction, one of the two commonest presentations being peripheral neuropathy. The commonest type of neuropathy seen in the context of gluten sensitivity is sensorimotor axonal. We report 17 patients with sensory ganglionopathy associated with gluten sensitivity. METHODS: This is a retrospective observational case series of 17 patients with sensory ganglionopathy and gluten sensitivity. All patients had been followed up for a number of years in dedicated gluten sensitivity/neurology and neuropathy clinics. RESULTS: Out of a total of 409 patients with different types of peripheral neuropathies, 53 (13%) had clinical and neurophysiologic evidence of sensory ganglionopathy. Out of these 53 patients, 17 (32%) had serologic evidence of gluten sensitivity. The mean age of those with gluten sensitivity was 67 years and the mean age at onset was 58 years. Seven of those with serologic evidence of gluten sensitivity had enteropathy on biopsy. Fifteen patients went on a gluten-free diet, resulting in stabilization of the neuropathy in 11. The remaining 4 had poor adherence to the diet and progressed, as did the 2 patients who did not opt for dietary treatment. Autopsy tissue from 3 patients demonstrated inflammation in the dorsal root ganglia with degeneration of the posterior columns of the spinal cord. CONCLUSIONS: Sensory ganglionopathy can be a manifestation of gluten sensitivity and may respond to a strict gluten-free diet.

PMID: 20837968 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

 



#5083 From: "Mary Christine" <Infowolf1@...>
Date: Sun Oct 3, 2010 7:46 am
Subject: Here are some books your members might find interesting.
infowolf1
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http://lotsofgoodstufftobuy.blogspot.com/

each hoplink goes to a different product. There
is a health oriented cookbook, and a yeast free
cookbook, among many other things.

#5084 From: "Martin N" <martinwnaylor@...>
Date: Sun Oct 3, 2010 10:30 pm
Subject: food
martinwnaylor
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Hi
Food Timeline: Food History and Historic Recipes
http://www.foodtimeline.org/index.html

"The Food Timeline was created by Lynne Olver, reference librarian and IACP
member, in response to students, parents and teachers who frequently asked for
help locating food history and period recipes at the Morris County Library
(Whippany, NJ). This site is an independent research project."

enjoy
martin

#5085 From: Infowolf1@...
Date: Sun Oct 3, 2010 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: food
infowolf1
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that is very interesting, thank you!
 
In a message dated 10/3/2010 3:30:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, martinwnaylor@... writes:
 

Hi
Food Timeline: Food History and Historic Recipes
http://www.foodtimeline.org/index.html

"The Food Timeline was created by Lynne Olver, reference librarian and IACP member, in response to students, parents and teachers who frequently asked for help locating food history and period recipes at the Morris County Library (Whippany, NJ). This site is an independent research project."

enjoy
martin


#5086 From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Mon Dec 6, 2010 6:26 pm
Subject: re: soy (tempeh)
icculus2000
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Hi Elaine, and all interested.
 
As part of opening up the debate on the overall edibility of soybeans and their derivative products...
I was wondering if you had tried Tempeh (soybeans par-boiled then inoculated and fermented with the spores and/or mycelium of Rhizopus oligosporus).  It's lovely when made fresh - sadly many people only know the storebought product.  This is by far my favourite way to consume soybeans. 
 
We made our own for a while, and would like to again, but our source won't ship it overseas. . a few times I've been tempted to get friends or family to smuggle some in for us.  Bermuda has some really conservative views on importation.  This is somewhat justified, considering the near-total eradication in the 1950's of the cedar forest (Juniperus bermudiana).  I say "somewhat," because whenever you actually plant that many trees of the same species in one place (cedar was used for shipbuilding and cabinetry) they are susceptible to blight. 
I'll leave that digression there, for now, I think.
 
Peace,

Steve.


--
The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care.
And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
 ~ Gandalf

#5087 From: "planetn1" <ave7461@...>
Date: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Brighton Permaculture Trust garden/plant courses 2011
planetn1
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A look at permaculture principles and how to apply them.

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Low maintenance, highly productive garden ecosystem.

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Cut grass & weeds without a lawnmower or strimmer.
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Learn how to propagate fruit trees by grafting.

Details and booking:
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#5088 From: Ananto <ananto_p@...>
Date: Mon Dec 6, 2010 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: re: soy (tempeh)
ananto_p
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Hi Steve,

I ear tempeh almost every day, it is plenty in Indonesia it is our main traditional food for ages...usually tempeh serve together with tofu.

Just for your information

Thanks

Ananto



--- On Tue, 7/12/10, Steve <permalove@...> wrote:

From: Steve <permalove@...>
Subject: [pfaf] re: soy (tempeh)
To: csofarming@yahoogroups.com, "Plants For A Future" <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>, "all trees all people whole planet" <alltrees-allpeople-wholeplanet@googlegroups.com>
Received: Tuesday, 7 December, 2010, 2:26 AM

 

Hi Elaine, and all interested.
 
As part of opening up the debate on the overall edibility of soybeans and their derivative products...
I was wondering if you had tried Tempeh (soybeans par-boiled then inoculated and fermented with the spores and/or mycelium of Rhizopus oligosporus).  It's lovely when made fresh - sadly many people only know the storebought product.  This is by far my favourite way to consume soybeans. 
 
We made our own for a while, and would like to again, but our source won't ship it overseas. . a few times I've been tempted to get friends or family to smuggle some in for us.  Bermuda has some really conservative views on importation.  This is somewhat justified, considering the near-total eradication in the 1950's of the cedar forest (Juniperus bermudiana).  I say "somewhat," because whenever you actually plant that many trees of the same species in one place (cedar was used for shipbuilding and cabinetry) they are susceptible to blight. 
I'll leave that digression there, for now, I think.
 
Peace,

Steve.


--
The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care.
And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
 ~ Gandalf

 

#5089 From: Kate <catherinejoyce1@...>
Date: Tue Dec 7, 2010 10:29 am
Subject: re: soy (tempeh)
dunbar.kate
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I buy my tempeh starter from these people. It is excellent!

www.tempeh.info

Best wishes

Kate

#5090 From: "gorskilev" <dvawolk@...>
Date: Wed Dec 8, 2010 8:34 am
Subject: Dioscorea Batatas bulbils
gorskilev
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Hi, folks.
I am searching for this particular plant, but i havent found anyone that is
willing to send it to Slovenia (European Union).
The only supplier is B and T world seeds but i ordered it 10 months ago and
still nothing.

Does anyone of you have it? Does anyone knows about supplier that has it?


Cheers,
Klemen

#5091 From: Elaine Sommers <elainesommers@...>
Date: Wed Dec 8, 2010 9:51 am
Subject: FW: From Phillip Day - A Call to Action: Many herbs will soon be illegal....
elainesommers44
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For anyone out there who has an interest in natural medicine I think this is  must read.

"We are shaped and fashioned by what we love"
  Goethe
 
"Losing your mind can be a peak experience!"
  Jane Wagner
 
"Our nature lies in movement; complete calm is death."
  Blaise Pascal
 
". . . the greatest peril of life lies in the fact that human food consists entirely of souls. All the creatures that we have to kill to eat, all those that we have to strike down and destroy to make clothes for ourselves, have souls, souls that do not perish with the body . . . All that exists lives."
 
from 'Shaman, the wounded healer' by J. Halifax, 1982




 

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#5092 From: Geir Flatabø <geirf@...>
Date: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:20 am
Subject: Re: Dioscorea Batatas bulbils
geirflatab
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I have Dioscorea, 
not quite sure if it is batatas, (or japonicus)
and they made no bulbils this year,  but som bulbs
I might send you..........
 
Geir Flatabø

2010/12/8 gorskilev <dvawolk@...>
Hi, folks.
I am searching for this particular plant, but i havent found anyone that is willing to send it to Slovenia (European Union).
The only supplier is B and T world seeds but i ordered it 10 months ago and still nothing.

Does anyone of you have it? Does anyone knows about supplier that has it?


Cheers,
Klemen



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#5093 From: "allmendeperma" <allmendeperma@...>
Date: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Dioscorea Batatas bulbils
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Hi!
we´ve got one, too. It´s becoming stunted, but this since 2004. We have heavy
mice-problems, especially in the rootcrops. Besides take a look at the
climate-diagramm on out http://allmende.de.vu
The soil is quite sandy here.
I got this one directly from pfaf!
If you haven´t got a better one, contact me again in autumn, then I´ll see if
there´s a bulb left for you.
Greetings from Klaus

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "gorskilev" <dvawolk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks.
> I am searching for this particular plant, but i havent found anyone that is
willing to send it to Slovenia (European Union).
> The only supplier is B and T world seeds but i ordered it 10 months ago and
still nothing.
>
> Does anyone of you have it? Does anyone knows about supplier that has it?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Klemen
>

#5094 From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: soy (tempeh)
icculus2000
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Hi there,
 
Kate, we got our tempeh starter from G.E.M. Cultures in the USA.. they also have Kefir grains and other cultures.  Maybe I'll have to check out your source!
 
Peace,
 
Steve.

--
The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care.
And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
 ~ Gandalf

#5095 From: Michael Porter <michaels4gardens@...>
Date: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: Dioscorea Batatas bulbils
michaels4gar...
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send me an e-mail -- michael@...  we can discus this--

--- On Wed, 12/8/10, gorskilev <dvawolk@...> wrote:

From: gorskilev <dvawolk@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Dioscorea Batatas bulbils
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 3:34 AM

 
Hi, folks.
I am searching for this particular plant, but i havent found anyone that is willing to send it to Slovenia (European Union).
The only supplier is B and T world seeds but i ordered it 10 months ago and still nothing.

Does anyone of you have it? Does anyone knows about supplier that has it?

Cheers,
Klemen


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