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i can recommend 'Comfrey past, present and future' by Laurance Hills

it list how to use comfrey for fodder and protein levels, minerals etc

an old book(1976) but takes a scientific approach to all the benefits of comfrey

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Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:33:18 AM, you wrote:

Iac> why not sweep up the chicken poop and let it compost in a little pile, and
keep it from
Iac> over acidifying the ground?


Iac> Mary Christine

My chickens are enclosed with electric nets. This spring I moved one of the pens
to fresh ground. The old ground (young orchard) was well used, more like
over-used, totally bare from 2 years of scratching and poop.
I bought some wild bird seed mix to sow there but never got around to sowing it.
Within a few weeks the ground was green again with all manners of
plants - Chenopodiums, chickweed, Polygonum, chamomile, stinging nettle, grasses
etc. The tortured (by the chickens) horseradish under the apple trees exploded
into growth. It is now 5 ft. high. I have been taking lots of greens from this
new growth for chicks in other runs and in the brooder and even grazed the goats
over part of the massive new growth.
Recently I even discovered mushrooms (champignons) that I'd never
before seem on our land.
Encouraged by this I moved another bit of fencing in an adjacent run and planted
some courgettes. They aren't doing so well though, probably too shaded from
large trees and competing with tree roots. But in one sunny patch I put up a
ring of 1/4 inch weldmesh, 5ft high, 5ft in diameter - the weldmesh is to stop
the
tiny chicks from slipping through - lightly forked the ground and planted a mix
of
lettuces, rainbow chard, and leeks. They are doing great. This could be done at
a
larger scale.
Now I'm not saying this works everywhere. I'm in Ireland and our climate is mild
and wet. Perhaps with all the rain, more of the faeces get washed away,
fertilizing the bordering biomass & shelter willows. Our soil here is a loamy
clay.
I'm still going to sow the wild bird mix in another run, just for more
diversity, but, at least in our place, there seems to be a massive seed bank in
the soil that fills the vacuum as soon as the birds are removed.

HTH
Ute

Hmm, no mails since midjuli...
...and that this doesnt bore you only: Our biggest peaches are dead
since we had extreme latefrosts this year (the young leaves died), the
same problems on young castaneas and juglans´. We had the most extreme
mousepopulation ever in the following drought. The trees had very few
fruits due to extreme long&cold winter and late frosts killing
flowers. That´s a bit of this year in north germany. &greetings from
Klaus

Zitat von Steve <permalove@...>:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm Steve in Bermuda.
>
> This response is more to do with the birds themselves than the fodder.. you
> guys already know about comfrey and dandelions, etc, so I won't go over it
> again.
>
> I run several chickens in a tractor (portable bottomless cage), and mostly I
> like to keep them moving onto fresh forage/lounge area.  There are several
> really good reasons for this; namely, the chickens get a diverse intake of
> protein and greens, they are less stressed and they aren't lounging on their
> own droppings.
> However, several times I have used the tractor to create a deep mulch bed.
> To do this I spread and inch or two of fresh, dry hay on top of the old hay
> every day or two...  after a week or two, there's a thick mat of hay which
> is nicely interspersed with chicken manure.  After removing the tractor, I
> water the piles a few times.. not strictly necessary, but compost loves to
> be moist.  After a month or two, the entire lower half of the pile is
> beautiful and fluffy, mixed into the soil gradually by the earthworms and
> other decomposers.  Seriously, it looks like chocolate cake.
>
> I plant right into this.  Yes, it does need some time to mellow out, but
> there's no turning or digging.
> The carbon in the hay ties up the nitrogen in the manure.
>
> Peace,
>
> Steve.
>
>
> --
> The rule of no realm is mine . . . great or small.
> But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are
> my care.
> And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task . . . if anything passes
> through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again
> in days to come.
> For I also am a steward. Did you not know?
>  ~ Gandalf
>



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Hi
Food Timeline: Food History and Historic Recipes
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Best wishes

Kate

Hi, folks.
I am searching for this particular plant, but i havent found anyone that is
willing to send it to Slovenia (European Union).
The only supplier is B and T world seeds but i ordered it 10 months ago and
still nothing.

Does anyone of you have it? Does anyone knows about supplier that has it?


Cheers,
Klemen

Hi!
we´ve got one, too. It´s becoming stunted, but this since 2004. We have heavy
mice-problems, especially in the rootcrops. Besides take a look at the
climate-diagramm on out http://allmende.de.vu
The soil is quite sandy here.
I got this one directly from pfaf!
If you haven´t got a better one, contact me again in autumn, then I´ll see if
there´s a bulb left for you.
Greetings from Klaus

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "gorskilev" <dvawolk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks.
> I am searching for this particular plant, but i havent found anyone that is
willing to send it to Slovenia (European Union).
> The only supplier is B and T world seeds but i ordered it 10 months ago and
still nothing.
>
> Does anyone of you have it? Does anyone knows about supplier that has it?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Klemen
>