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#4954

From: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
Date: Thu Apr 1, 2010 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: Preview of new website

josepa2...

Dear Rich:

Plants for Plants sake is a great thing, I get along better with plants than I do people as a plant has never cussed me out or screamed at me.

I noticed that on your wed page your Aloe Vera had flowers, mine have babies but never have I seen flowers.

I also have century plants and they too have had babies but I've seen their flowers.

Pesach Sameach.

Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rich

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:06 AM

Subject: [pfaf] Preview of new website

Plants For A Future are about to launch a new website you can see an early preview at http://site158.mysite4now.com/newpfaf/user/default.aspx

#4955

From: "Ossi Kakko" <ossi@...>
Date: Fri Apr 2, 2010 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: aloe vera

ossikakko

Dear all,

  ... once upon a time for some unknown reason I did intuitively eat
flowering buds of Aloe Vera and they tasted very good.   Does anyone know
about their edibility ?   At least inner parts of leaves (without yellow
stuff in the coat) and seeds are edible, but what about buds?  Are there
any known hazards ?

best wishes,

Ossi


>         Dear Rich:
>             Plants for Plants sake is a great thing, I get along better
> with plants than I do people as a plant has never cussed me
> out or screamed at me.
>             I noticed that on your wed page your Aloe Vera had flowers,
> mine have babies but never have I seen flowers.
>             I also have century plants and they too have had babies but
> I've seen their flowers.
>             Pesach Sameach.
> Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Rich
>
>   Plants For A Future are about to launch a new website you can see an
> early preview at http://site158.mysite4now.com/newpfaf/user/default.aspx
>
>
>
>

#4956

From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2010 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: Re: aloe vera

gardenchick1949

You shouldn't eat aloe vera gel on a continual basis, but once in a while is good for you. I imagine the buds are the same.
Gail

From: Ossi Kakko <ossi@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 7:52:56 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Re: aloe vera

Dear all,

... once upon a time for some unknown reason I did intuitively eat
flowering buds of Aloe Vera and they tasted very good. Does anyone know
about their edibility ? At least inner parts of leaves (without yellow
stuff in the coat) and seeds are edible, but what about buds? Are there
any known hazards ?

best wishes,

Ossi

> Dear Rich:
> Plants for Plants sake is a great thing, I get along better
> with plants than I do people as a plant has never cussed me
> out or screamed at me.
> I noticed that on your wed page your Aloe Vera had flowers,
> mine have babies but never have I seen flowers.
> I also have century plants and they too have had babies but
> I've seen their flowers.
> Pesach Sameach.
> Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rich
>
> Plants For A Future are about to launch a new website you can see an
> early preview at http://site158. mysite4now. com/newpfaf/ user/default. aspx
>
>
>
>

#4957

From: Jacques Prestreau <jacques.prestreau@...>
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2010 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: Aloe vera edibility

jacques_pres...

Hello !

Yes, /Aloe vera/ buds are edible. But only boiled for at least 10 to 15
minutes. Never raw. If eaten raw inadvertently in "reasonnable" quantity
(four, five...) it may cause digestive side effects not very toxic but
very... hum... embarrassing. An upper quantity will be really toxic.

The same with the raw leaves. Young leaves can be cooked 15 minutes to
be eaten as a nice vegetable accompaniement. Big leaves can be eaten
cooked for half an hour, in preference cut to pieces before cooked.

And the juice must be very, very purified to be drunk. Home made /Aloe/
juices are hardly unadviced. Of course juices bought in dietetic shops
are perfectly purified.


Kind regards,
Jacques (in France)

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De  :  Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
A  :  pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date de l'envoi  :  03/04/2010 10:45:39 PM +0200
Sujet du mail  :  [pfaf] Re: aloe vera



>
>
> You shouldn't eat aloe vera gel on a continual basis, but once in a
> while is good for you.  I imagine the buds are the same.
> Gail
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ossi Kakko <ossi@...>
> *To:* pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Fri, April 2, 2010 7:52:56 AM
> *Subject:* [pfaf] Re: aloe vera
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> ... once upon a time for some unknown reason I did intuitively eat
> flowering buds of Aloe Vera and they tasted very good. Does anyone know
> about their edibility ? At least inner parts of leaves (without yellow
> stuff in the coat) and seeds are edible, but what about buds? Are there
> any known hazards ?
>
> best wishes,
>
> Ossi
>
> > Dear Rich:
> > Plants for Plants sake is a great thing, I get along better
> > with plants than I do people as a plant has never cussed me
> > out or screamed at me.
> > I noticed that on your wed page your Aloe Vera had flowers,
> > mine have babies but never have I seen flowers.
> > I also have century plants and they too have had babies but
> > I've seen their flowers.
> > Pesach Sameach.
> > Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rich
> >
>
>

#4958

From: Sara Elbrai <selbrai@...>
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:16 am
Subject: Re: Weed-suppression

selbrai

Great information!

Thanks,

Sara

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Denise For Peace <denise_for_peace@...> wrote:

From: Denise For Peace <denise_for_peace@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Weed-suppression
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 1:35 AM

I am a big fan of (uncoated) cardboard. It is free. Biodegradable. Effective. I find it breaks down considerably (but continues to block weed growth) after about two months of solid rain--perfect for planting in the Spring because I just cut holes in where I want to drop in seed or transplants and the rest of it continues to stymie weed emergence. If you want longer lasting mulch, just add more layers of cardboard. Worms love cardboard, so it feeds the soil as it decomposes. To make it look more attractive, I cover it with leaves or "hog fuel overs" which is a shredded wood product. It is course enough that kitties don't want to use it for potty. Also, it takes a long time to compost, so if I want to remove it from one area, once the weed-suppression task is done, I can easily rake it up and use it again somewhere else. During the winter, I put it on my paths to keep them from getting muddy.

I've found the best place to get huge, uninterrupted expanses of cardboard is at auto repair shops. Hoods, doors and windshields are shipped in massive cardboard boxes and there are usually some in the recycle bin behind the shop. I always ask for permission, first. Here in the U.S. they are sometimes concerned about liability, but I haven't had someone say I couldn't go in and get it--they just want to know I'm out there. Not too many towns have one of these... but if you have an RV window repair/replacement shop in your area they have hands-down the most massive, heavy-duty cardboard around! Some of it will be contaminated with foam that pads the windshields. Skip that stuff. But a lot of manufacturers are switching to more environmentally friendly padding made up of multiple layers of cardboard. Chunks of this stuff can just be pulled off the big swathes of cardboard.

Of course, appliance stores also sometimes have large boxes from refrigerators, etc., but they pale in comparison (size and thickness) to the auto stuff.

Hope this helps.

**Peace, Denise**

The Mystery of Life is not a problem to be solved
but a reality to be experienced. ~Frank Herbert~

Denise-Christine
The Suburban Ecovillage Project
www.suburbanecovillage.org
Federal-aid Materials Coordinator
541-688-1442

#4959

From: "planetn1" <ave7461@...>
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2010 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: Brighton Permaculture Trust Courses and Events

planetn1

New course: Introduction to Permaculture.

A two-day introduction to permaculture design.
Saturday 10 - Sunday 11 July 2010
9.30am -5pm

See website for full details: www.brightonpermaculture.org.uk

#4960

From: "veworley2003" <veworley2003@...>
Date: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:46 pm
Subject: Plant idenfication...

veworley2003

Hello--I am new to the group, but have been a fan of the website. I live in the
highlands of Panama (about 1500 meters high in a cloud forest ecology), grow
organic coffee, and medicinal herbs from which I make tinctures and salves.

I recently bought a plant at a local nursery, where the woman told me it was
myrrh. When crushed, the leaf gives off the scent of myrrh, though lightly. The
leaf has very little flavor. It looks nothing like the images of myrrh I have
found on the web. It is low growing, with a green and white variegated leaf
(green center, white serrated border) about 1.5 inches at the widest part
across. Leaf and stem are slightly furry.

Any ideas what this might be? It is lovely and growing well.

Thanks,

Elizabeth in Panama

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#4961

From: matthew@...
Date: Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:34 am
Subject: Re: Plant idenfication...

matthew_sleigh

square stems, furry leaves ?

All the best,
Matthew

Matthew Sleigh
P-2, North Poblacion
Don Carlos, Bukidnon
8712
Philippines


----- Original Message -----
From: veworley2003@...
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/12/10 4:57 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Plant idenfication...

Hello--I am new to the group, but have been a fan of the website. I live in the
highlands of Panama (about 1500 meters high in a cloud forest ecology), grow
organic coffee, and medicinal herbs from which I make tinctures and salves.

I recently bought a plant at a local nursery, where the woman told me it was
myrrh. When crushed, the leaf gives off the scent of myrrh, though lightly. The
leaf has very little flavor. It looks nothing like the images of myrrh I have
found on the web. It is low growing, with a green and white variegated leaf
(green center, white serrated border) about 1.5 inches at the widest part
across. Leaf and stem are slightly furry.

Any ideas what this might be? It is lovely and growing well.

Thanks,

Elizabeth in Panama



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#4962

From: charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@...>
Date: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:49 pm
Subject: Black walnut companion planting.

fertileprayers

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail.blogspot.com

#4963

From: charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:33 pm
Subject: Thank you! For the Black Walnut info!

fertileprayers

I planted garlic with it, so it would be OK because onions can do well with black walnut, maybe!

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#4964

From: Organic Life <Brave.life.earth@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:58 am
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

im_chatt

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@...> wrote:

�

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail.blogspot.com

#4965

From: Elizabeth Worley <veworley2003@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:40 am
Subject: Re: Plant idenfication...

veworley2003

No, round furry stems, furry leaves that are fanned at the bottom (stem attaches at bottom, not center), veined, kind of like the shape of the 'club' card in a deck of playing cards, but with serrated edges that are white. Aromatic and DOES smell like myrrh...but leaves have little taste, mildly greenish/bitter...

It's not easy being green!!

Thanks for writing.

Elizabeth

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, matthew@... <matthew@...> wrote:

From: matthew@... <matthew@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Plant idenfication...
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 5:34 AM

square stems, furry leaves ?

All the best,
Matthew

Matthew Sleigh
P-2, North Poblacion
Don Carlos, Bukidnon
8712
Philippines

----- Original Message -----
From: veworley2003@...
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/12/10 4:57 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Plant idenfication...

Hello--I am new to the group, but have been a fan of the website. I live in the highlands of Panama (about 1500 meters high in a cloud forest ecology), grow organic coffee, and medicinal herbs from which I make tinctures and salves.

I recently bought a plant at a local nursery, where the woman told me it was myrrh. When crushed, the leaf gives off the scent of myrrh, though lightly. The leaf has very little flavor. It looks nothing like the images of myrrh I have found on the web. It is low growing, with a green and white variegated leaf (green center, white serrated border) about 1.5 inches at the widest part across. Leaf and stem are slightly furry.

Any ideas what this might be? It is lovely and growing well.

Thanks,

Elizabeth in Panama

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#4966

From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

miekal2001

I have yet to find anything that is affected by juglone to the point where the plants noticeably suffer.� I have walnuts growing within 25 feet of a full on vegetable garden & everywhere in my 3 acre forest garden.....

~mIEKAL

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Organic Life <Brave.life.earth@...> wrote:

�

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@...> wrote:

�

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail.blogspot.com

#4967

From: Matteo Mazzola <silvanelfo@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

silvanelfo

hey.. here a list of plants that show tolerance with juglone:

maples,hollyhock, onion and allies, wild ginger, paw paw, pecan,hickory, redbud, springbeauty, hazel, hawthorn, saffron, quince, american persimmon, purple coneflower, trout lily, honey locust, jerusalem artichoke, daylily, rose of sharon, virginia waterleaf, spicebush, bee balm, white mulberry, sweet cicely, sensitive fern, creeping phlox, mayapple, giant solomons'seal, christmas fern, some edible cherries, oaks, black locust, wild roses, black raspberyy, elderberry, stone crop, chickweed, dandelion, virginia spide worth, white clover, white trillium, slippery elm, most viburnums, canada violet, wild grapes.

this is from a book that I've got (quite famous in forest gardening!) and if anybody is interested just ask me privately by mail! I don't know if I can make pubblicity here...!

bye!!!!

Da: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@...>
A: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Mar 13 aprile 2010, 19:43:50
Oggetto: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

I have yet to find anything that is affected by juglone to the point where the plants noticeably suffer. I have walnuts growing within 25 feet of a full on vegetable garden & everywhere in my 3 acre forest garden.....

~mIEKAL

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Organic Life <Brave.life.earth@ gmail.com> wrote:

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@ gmail.com> wrote:

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail. blogspot. com

#4968

From: Michael Kenna <michaelkenna@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

michaelkenna...

Please tell me the title & author of this valued resource.

THANK YOU.

Michael Kenna
michaelkenna@...

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Matteo Mazzola <silvanelfo@...> wrote:

From: Matteo Mazzola <silvanelfo@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:05 PM

hey.. here a list of plants that show tolerance with juglone:

maples,hollyhock, onion and allies, wild ginger, paw paw, pecan,hickory, redbud, springbeauty, hazel, hawthorn, saffron, quince, american persimmon, purple coneflower, trout lily, honey locust, jerusalem artichoke, daylily, rose of sharon, virginia waterleaf, spicebush, bee balm, white mulberry, sweet cicely, sensitive fern, creeping phlox, mayapple, giant solomons'seal, christmas fern, some edible cherries, oaks, black locust, wild roses, black raspberyy, elderberry, stone crop, chickweed, dandelion, virginia spide worth, white clover, white trillium, slippery elm, most viburnums, canada violet, wild grapes.

this is from a book that I've got (quite famous in forest gardening!) and if anybody is interested just ask me privately by mail! I don't know if I can make pubblicity here...!

bye!!!!

Da: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@ gmail.com>
A: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Inviato: Mar 13 aprile 2010, 19:43:50
Oggetto: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

I have yet to find anything that is affected by juglone to the point where the plants noticeably suffer. I have walnuts growing within 25 feet of a full on vegetable garden & everywhere in my 3 acre forest garden.....

~mIEKAL

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Organic Life <Brave.life.earth@ gmail.com> wrote:

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@ gmail.com> wrote:

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail. blogspot. com

#4969

From: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
Date: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:31 am
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

josepa2...

Dear Miekal:

I get along far better with plants than I do people, I've never been cussed out by any plant.

I grew up on a working farm in Texas, so I know about growing plants.

If want to insure more than one tap root you might try this as I used to do this very trick for friends who's trees were sapped off in a real hard breeze.

Most people start their young trees in a paste milk box with dirt, you have to punch holes in the bottom for drainage.

I packed the seedling in the soil well, but instead of just making holes in the bottom, I cut the bottom of the paste box off completely, it's support was galvanized wire. Every time a root hit the wire it would die back, it caused a hundred tap roots to form instead of just one. Those don't blow over nor do the snap off like the other did.

You might give that a try if you want to see a really strong tree.

Do be well.

Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.

----- Original Message -----

From: mIEKAL aND

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

I have yet to find anything that is affected by juglone to the point where the plants noticeably suffer. I have walnuts growing within 25 feet of a full on vegetable garden & everywhere in my 3 acre forest garden.....

~mIEKAL

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Organic Life <Brave.life.earth@gmail.com> wrote:

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail.blogspot.com

#4970

From: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
Date: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

josepa2...

Dear Friend:

I've seen persimmons as big as oranges and grapefruit, they did have a bitter after taste, but I did enjoy eating it.

As some one who remembered his childhood and who's mother wanted enough back walnut meat to make a tasty cake. They also make a great dye as I had the black stain on my hands for weeks before it finally wore off.

Most people who do have trouble with them as they only produce one real good tap root, but I found a way around that as a result none of my trees no matter what kind never blow over or brake off and the ground either, but most people either don't care or they simply don't want any advice.

Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.

----- Original Message -----

From: Organic Life

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:58 PM

Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <FertilityFair@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there anything I can plant with black walnuts?

--
Charlotte Fairchild
Fear Thou Not, 501(c)3
Murder On the Silver Comet Trail!
http://murdertrail.blogspot.com

#4971

From: "brave.life.earth@..." <Brave.life.earth@...>
Date: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

im_chatt

i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild persimmons
from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am trying to grow more perhaps
the best way to propagate is via branchs
-----Original Message-----
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:09:28 am
To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
From: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

         Dear Friend:
             I've seen persimmons as big as oranges and grapefruit, they did have
a bitter after taste, but I did enjoy eating it.
             As some one who remembered his childhood and who's mother wanted
enough back walnut meat to make a tasty cake. They also make a great dye as I
had the black stain on my hands for weeks before it finally wore off.
             Most people who do have trouble with them as they only produce one
real good tap root, but I found a way around that as a result none of my trees
no matter what kind never blow over or brake off and the ground either, but most
people either don't care or they simply don't want any advice.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Organic Life
   To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.



   some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it



   On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <Fertili

#4972

From: JuliaAna <stargypsy999@...>
Date: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:56 pm
Subject: Persemmons

stargypsy999

Hi my name is JuliaAna; I'm new to this group and just want to jump in and say I grew up w/ lots of persimmon trees in N. FL. My GMa grew one type, my fav of course, called a chocolate persimmon. It tasted just like chocolate too and made amazing pies. And she grafted all her persimmon trees. I have never met anyone else who know what chocolate persimmons were but I promice you that if you can find one from a nursuryman, you can graft it from then on, and have the most magical of delicious fruits availiable!

Anyway to answer your question talk to your local County Extention Agent and find out about them in your area and about what you need to graft them to and also check w/ your local nursery.

i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild persimmons from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am trying to grow more perhaps the best way to propagate is via branchs

#4973

From: "mijwiz" <mijwiz@...>
Date: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

mijwiz

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "brave.life.earth@..." <Brave.life.earth@...>
wrote:
>
> i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild persimmons
from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am trying to grow more perhaps
the best way to propagate is via branchs
> -----Original Message-----

What species is called "wild persimmon" where you are? Here in the USA,
Diospyros virginiana grows wild. The seeds need to be cold-stratified to sprout.
The easiest way to do this is to plant them outside in the fall and let them
overwinter. They'll sprout in spring.

However, you might not want to do this, since half the seedlings will be male,
and produce no fruit. You might instead want to buy grafted trees, like from
here:
http://www.nolinnursery.com/Persimon.htm

Or, if you've found a particularly good wild tree, you could try grafting a
branch of it onto a seedling.

#4974

From: Allen Hancock <impact@...>
Date: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

passionfruital

I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet for them to germinate.

Allen

i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild persimmons from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am trying to grow more perhaps the best way to propagate is via branchs

-----Original Message-----
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:09:28 am
To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
From: "Joseph A. Cleary" <josepa2@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

Dear Friend:
I've seen persimmons as big as oranges and grapefruit, they did have a bitter after taste, but I did enjoy eating it.
As some one who remembered his childhood and who's mother wanted enough back walnut meat to make a tasty cake. They also make a great dye as I had the black stain on my hands for weeks before it finally wore off.
Most people who do have trouble with them as they only produce one real good tap root, but I found a way around that as a result none of my trees no matter what kind never blow over or brake off and the ground either, but most people either don't care or they simply don't want any advice.
Shalom, Shalom, Yosef of Ok.
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From: Organic Life
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

some times wild persimmon will grow nicely with it

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM, charfair fairchar <Fertili

#4975

From: "brave.life.earth@..." <Brave.life.earth@...>
Date: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

im_chatt

thank you i have them moist
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:00:28 pm
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: "Allen Hancock" <impact@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet
for them to germinate.

Allen


>i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild
>persimmons from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am
>trying to grow more perhaps the best way to propagate is via branchs
>-----Original Message-----
>Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:09:28 am
>To: <<mailto:pfaf%40yahoogroups.com>pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: "Joseph A. Cleary" <<mailto:josepa2%40sbcglobal.net>josepa2@...>
>From: "Joseph A. Cleary"
><<mailto:josepa2%40sbcglobal.net>josepa2@...>
>Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.
>
>Dear Friend:
>I've seen persimmons as big as oranges and grapefruit, they did have
>a bitter after taste, but I did enjoy eating it.
>As some one who remembered his childhood and who's mother wanted
>enough back walnut meat to make a tasty cake. They also make a great
>dye as I had the black stain on my hands for weeks before it finally
>w

#4976

From: "brave.life.earth@..." <Brave.life.earth@...>
Date: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:31 pm
Subject: RE: Persemmons

im_chatt

thank grafting is a great idea.. chocolate hmmm yummy
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:57:30 am
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: "JuliaAna" <stargypsy999@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Persemmons

Hi my name is JuliaAna; I'm new to this group and just want to jump in and say I
grew up w/ lots of persimmon trees in N. FL.� My GMa grew one type, my fav of
course, called a chocolate persimmon.�� It tasted just like chocolate too and
made amazing pies.� And she grafted all her persimmon trees.� I have never met
anyone else who know what chocolate persimmons were but I promice you that if
you can find one from a nursuryman, you can graft it from then on, and have the
most magical of delicious fruits availiable!
�
Anyway to answer your question talk to your local County Extention Agent and
find out about them in your area and about what you need to graft them to and
also check w/ your local nursery.
�
�
�
i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild persimmons
from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am trying to grow more perhaps
the best way to propagate is via branchs
�

#4977

From: Allen Hancock <impact@...>
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

passionfruital

Just to clarify, my friend told me that persimmon seed has to be kept continuously moist from the moment they are removed from the fruit (not just from the time you plant them). I haven't tried growing persimmon from seed so I can't verify this.

Allen

thank you i have them moist
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:00:28 pm
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: "Allen Hancock" <impact@...>

Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.

I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet
for them to germinate.

Allen

>i would love advice... i am having trouble trying to grow new wild
>persimmons from the pits.. this tiny fruit is so sweet so i am
>trying to grow more perhaps the best way to propagate is via branchs
>-----Original Message-----
>Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:09:28 am
>To: <<mailto:pfaf%40yahoogroups.com>pfaf@yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: "Joseph A. Cleary" <<mailto:josepa2%40sbcglobal.net>josepa2@...>
>From: "Joseph A. Cleary"
><<mailto:josepa2%40sbcglobal.net>josepa2@...>
>Subject: Re: [pfaf] Black walnut companion planting.
>
>Dear Friend:
>I've seen persimmons as big as oranges and grapefruit, they did have
>a bitter after taste, but I did enjoy eating it.
>As some one who remembered his childhood and who's mother wanted
>enough back walnut meat to make a tasty cake. They also make a great
>dye as I had the black stain on my hands for weeks before it finally
>w

#4978

From: "Gaardenier" <gaardenier@...>
Date: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Black walnut companion planting.

gaardenierfl...

“I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet
>for them to germinate.”

Who invented this city rumours ?

Vriendelijke groeten,

Leo Aerts Flanders - belgium

#4979

From: Allmende Verden <allmendeperma@...>
Date: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:16 am
Subject: appropriate subjects-was:Black walnut companion planting.

allmendeperma

Hey people, in zone 7b I�m interested in walnuts, but not in
persimmons, so please use appropriate subjects in Emails. Thanks, Klaus


Zitat von Gaardenier <gaardenier@...>:

> "I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet
>> for them to germinate."
>
> Who invented this city rumours ?
>
> Vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Leo Aerts   Flanders - belgium
>
>
>
>



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#4980

From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
Date: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: Persimmon propagation

gardenchick1949

Persimmon seeds SHOULD be kept constantly moist (but not wet) ... any hard seed needs some kind of help to break the seed coat & to simulate what they get in nature ... different seeds need different kinds of help, such as scratching the seed (called scarification; in nature, birds do this by eating the seed, going thru their digestion system, then pooping the seed out), soaking in water for a certain period of time (seeds normally sprout in spring, when there is abundant rain), going thru a period of cold to simulate winter (called stratification - see below for more info), etc.

Water is essential to germination of almost every seed because it penetrates the seed coat of seeds & sets the sprouting process in motion. Before I plant any veggie seeds or grow sprouts, I always soak seeds for at least 20 minutes.

In cases where the seeds need the cold of winter to germinate (as with persimmons), place the seeds in a small container with moist (not wet) sand, peat or vermiculite, and leave in refrigerator for 4-6 weeks. This procedure is known as stratification. Persimmons are hard to germinate this way, and even after germinating, will probably not produce true to the parent plant.

"Propagation of trees is primarily by seed, although root cuttings may be used. Improved varieties are obtained through grafting since persimmons do not reproduce “true” from seeds. Seed must be kept for 60-90 days at 50̊F under moist conditions to obtain good germination, or seed may be planted in the fall and permitted to stratify naturally in the ground over winter. The seed bed should be mulched."
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/HO-108.pdf

More info on germinating seeds from different kinds of trees can be found at: http://forestry.about.com/od/treeplanting/qt/tree_seed.htm

Gail, M.G., horticulturist

From: Gaardenier <gaardenier@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 7:02:50 PM
Subject: [pfaf] Re: Black walnut companion planting.

“I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet
>for them to germinate.”

Who invented this city rumours ?

Vriendelijke groeten,

Leo Aerts Flanders - belgium

#4981

From: Organic Life <Brave.life.earth@...>
Date: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: Persimmon propagation

im_chatt

thank you for your many great suggestions...I appreciate all of you...the seeds have gone through wintering and also they have been kept moist...here in Texas we get lots of dry spells...of which I think this tiny wild persimmon is adapted to...but I have tried to keep it moist and also have conditions of its original habitat...i did allow some of the seeds to relish in the flesh of the fruits and decay as well...hopefully soon some little sprouts will become available for me...take care

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...> wrote:

Persimmon seeds SHOULD be kept constantly moist (but not wet) ... any hard seed needs some kind of help to break the seed coat & to simulate what they get in nature ... different seeds need different kinds of help, such as scratching the seed (called scarification; in nature, birds do this by eating the seed, going thru their digestion system, then pooping the seed out), soaking in water for a certain period of time (seeds normally sprout in spring, when there is abundant rain), going thru a period of cold to simulate winter (called stratification - see below for more info), etc.

Water is essential to germination of almost every seed because it penetrates the seed coat of seeds & sets the sprouting process in motion. Before I plant any veggie seeds or grow sprouts, I always soak seeds for at least 20 minutes.

In cases where the seeds need the cold of winter to germinate (as with persimmons), place the seeds in a small container with moist (not wet) sand, peat or vermiculite, and leave in refrigerator for 4-6 weeks. This procedure is known as stratification. Persimmons are hard to germinate this way, and even after germinating, will probably not produce true to the parent plant.

"Propagation of trees is primarily by seed, although root cuttings may be used. Improved varieties are obtained through grafting since persimmons do not reproduce “true” from seeds. Seed must be kept for 60-90 days at 50̊F under moist conditions to obtain good germination, or seed may be planted in the fall and permitted to stratify naturally in the ground over winter. The seed bed should be mulched."
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/HO-108.pdf

More info on germinating seeds from different kinds of trees can be found at: http://forestry.about.com/od/treeplanting/qt/tree_seed.htm

Gail, M.G., horticulturist

From: Gaardenier <gaardenier@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 7:02:50 PM
Subject: [pfaf] Re: Black walnut companion planting.

“I've been told that persimmon seeds have to be kept constantly wet
>for them to germinate.”

Who invented this city rumours ?

Vriendelijke groeten,

Leo Aerts   Flanders - belgium