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I'd contribute only if the information is going to be available for free, not
"member-fee" driven.  They will be getting this info for---free?---then selling
it? I certainly hope not.  Any word on that yet, because I can't seem to find
out specifically if they are planning on such critically valuable information
being available to all, similar to PFAF's database, or not.  And what about any
(expensive) books he might create from this free info?  Now, there's another
sticky subject entirely, but I digress....

I'm not putting down the idea. I'm all for it.  Just asking some hard questions,
that's all.  Don't know about if others have noticed, but is anyone else
becoming alarmed by how many people are now out there selling permaculture
information, teaching, etc., cashing in on the movement?  Permaculture is going
to die a quick death if it becomes any more commercialized.  Just when we're
going to need it the most?  Or is that what some of these jokers are counting
on?  That people will become desperate and take these "courses" now popping up
like mushrooms?

Where are the Ken Fern's of permaculture anymore?  I've always considereed him
its shining model.

> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "trentrhode" <trentrhode@> wrote:
  > I want to mention that there is an online tool in development with an
organization called the Apios Institute, with Dave Jacke and Eric Toensmeier
being part of it, that is designed specifically for people to share and document
plants and plant combinations that work in regions throughout the world.
> > >
> > > http://www.apiosinstitute.org
> > >
> > > Currently the system is in its testing and data input stage, with a lot of
plants and polycultures already added. If anyone is interested in helping to get
it going faster (e.g. inputting plant data), let me know and I'll pass along the
message.

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#4869

From: "giantgardener" <giantgardener@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 1:44 pm
Subject: Uusing used fridges as raised beds

giantgardener

There was an article in a magazine once (10 yrs ago?) about a man who built a
beautiful home entirely from scrap materials.  He also built terraced
mountainside permie gardens out of used fridges he obtained from the tip, even
growing fruit trees in them.  He additionally used them for goat and chicken
sheds, too. Can't remember which mag it was in, but the man was from either
Switzerland or Germany.

Bob Flowerdew, a British gardening guru, also has gardening uses for them, as
water buts and storage.

That's all I've ever been able to find so far. Does anyone have further
information on this type of gardening?  Could be very useful for handicapped
gardening.  Am wondering about cautions using fridges.

Any references / info on fridge gardens would be useful!

#4870

From: Erich Enke <erich.enke@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: Uusing used fridges as raised beds

eptenke

I'm generally cautious about repurposing today's products.� Just because they're tested to not leech certain hazardous chemicals under certain conditions doesn't mean that they don't actually leech other hazardous chemicals, or that they won't leech them under different circumstances.� Consider the 89% cadmium jewelery being sold by Walmart these days, basically poison if ingested, but allowed because, after all, who swallows jewelery?� Consider the recycling #1 plastic bottles (like water bottles) that are mostly fine to use for their intended purpose (one-time food storage), but upon reuse start leeching hazardous chemicals.� Just because a refrigerator doesn't release large amounts of (human) toxins in typical intended use doesn't mean that it wouldn't release (human or plant) toxins if used to contain soil, and your plant's nutrition directly affects your nutrition.

I'm not trying to be alarmist.� It also might be really good for the plant.� There's just a lot we don't know about that sort of setup.

Erich

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:44 AM, giantgardener <giantgardener@...> wrote:

�

There was an article in a magazine once (10 yrs ago?) about a man who built a beautiful home entirely from scrap materials. He also built terraced mountainside permie gardens out of used fridges he obtained from the tip, even growing fruit trees in them. He additionally used them for goat and chicken sheds, too. Can't remember which mag it was in, but the man was from either Switzerland or Germany.

Bob Flowerdew, a British gardening guru, also has gardening uses for them, as water buts and storage.

That's all I've ever been able to find so far. Does anyone have further information on this type of gardening? Could be very useful for handicapped gardening. Am wondering about cautions using fridges.

Any references / info on fridge gardens would be useful!

#4871

From: Carles Esquerda <cesquerda@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Permaculture Association February E-bulletin - research on Polycultures etc

cesquerda

Hi Giantgardener,

I completely agree with you in that the permaculture information is being commercialized and from the outside the permaculture movement looks like a course-business. Most people (but fortunately not all) are keeping valuable information ready to be sold, but not freely shared. I think that this attitude is hindering the expansion of permaculture, and might lead to its death sooner or later.

It is just my impression as a beginner, but that could be more people's view, too.

Regards,

Carles

De: giantgardener <giantgardener@...>
Para: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: lun,1 marzo, 2010 14:35
Asunto: [pfaf] Re: Permaculture Association February E-bulletin - research on Polycultures etc

I'd contribute only if the information is going to be available for free, not "member-fee" driven. They will be getting this info for---free?- --then selling it? I certainly hope not. Any word on that yet, because I can't seem to find out specifically if they are planning on such critically valuable information being available to all, similar to PFAF's database, or not. And what about any (expensive) books he might create from this free info? Now, there's another sticky subject entirely, but I digress....

I'm not putting down the idea. I'm all for it. Just asking some hard questions, that's all. Don't know about if others have noticed, but is anyone else becoming alarmed by how many people are now out there selling permaculture information, teaching, etc., cashing in on the movement? Permaculture is going to die a quick death if it becomes any more commercialized. Just when we're going to need it the most? Or is that what some of these jokers are counting on? That people will become desperate and take these "courses" now popping up like mushrooms?

Where are the Ken Fern's of permaculture anymore? I've always considereed him its shining model.

> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "trentrhode" <trentrhode@ > wrote:
> I want to mention that there is an online tool in development with an organization called the Apios Institute, with Dave Jacke and Eric Toensmeier being part of it, that is designed specifically for people to share and document plants and plant combinations that work in regions throughout the world.
> > >
> > > http://www.apiosins titute.org
> > >
> > > Currently the system is in its testing and data input stage, with a lot of plants and polycultures already added. If anyone is interested in helping to get it going faster (e.g. inputting plant data), let me know and I'll pass along the message.

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#4872

From: Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Eating Sustainably

gardenchick1949

i get mine at Sprouts farmers market and I think I got it once at Trader Joe's. Any health food store should have it.

Gail

From: watchintheriver <maury@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 6:45:25 AM
Subject: [pfaf] Re: Eating Sustainably

Mountain Rose, an herbal company in Eugene, OR sells Avocado Oil. I think it is www.mountainreose. com, or Google it.

Sustainable gardening has been one of my lifelong passions. I also forage. My yard contains, naturally, everything from Asparagus to Barley Grass, rose, currants and wild plums. I collect Rumex, Chenopodium and Plantain (Plantago) seeds. My freezer is full of not only vegetables from my garden but Goosefoot pesto. My larder and dried stashes include herbs, seeds and roots/tubers from Lovage, Milk Weed, Cat tail...What I can't gather/grow here I can collect in the mountains or buy locally. Pinon, great Chiles (we have a short season).
I 'inherited' two acres of lush field that is sub-watered. In the canal is Reed Grass, Smartweed, Brook Mint (and Mallards right now). My predecessors, Spanish with their keen sense of remedios and drawing on Native knowledge, grew a garden of herbs including Native Silverweed and Osha (Lovage), they imported wonderful Dandelions and Purslane. It has been a pleasure to 're-instate' the weeds and add other important plants because of their medicinal/edible uses, as well as beauty to deter the Quack Grass--the only thing I have found in my yard that has no use, per se.
My goat straw is recycled-after a year of fermenting-into my garden and my neighbor brings me Elk now and again....
On a fixed income, I feel pretty darn sustained... .

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> > only cook w/ coconut oil, ghee, or avocado oil (high smoke points).
>
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> Hi
>
> Where do you find avocado oil ? I cannot recollect ever seeing it before.
>
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#4873

From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 3:52 am
Subject: Re: Eating Sustainably

icculus2000

Hi Michael,

How much land are you growing on, if you don't mind me asking?

Also, what are some examples of your carbon imports?  Do you use
things like cane or pampas grass?


Peace.

Steve


(Michael wrote)
I grow all my own food, I raise Taro, Malanga, Tropical Yams, and lots
of "normal" vegetables and fruit trees, I have free range Chickens,
and hatch some of the eggs, to raise for meat Chickens. I do import as
much organic material as I can get for free, I use Daikon most of the
year as a lettuce substitute, as some varieties have lettuce like
leaves,etc, etc,
Michael Porter
Orange Springs FL


--
"In the face of all-annihilating weapons, the natural next step may be
the use of no weapons.  It may be that the only possibly effective
defense against the ultimate weapon is no weapon at all."

~ Wendell Berry, in '84 (from the essay "Property, Patriotism and
National Defense" as included in the book "Home Economics")

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#4874

From: "giantgardener" <giantgardener@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2010 4:42 am
Subject: Re: Uusing used fridges as raised beds

giantgardener

Many, many excellent eye opening points to consider.  Why, thank you!  Now I'm
wondering if that man in Switzerland or Germany is still healthy?

And you'd be stunned at how many swallow jewelery in my business!


--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Erich Enke <erich.enke@...> wrote:
>
> I'm generally cautious about repurposing today's products.  Just because
> they're tested to not leech certain hazardous chemicals under certain
> conditions doesn't mean that they don't actually leech other hazardous
> chemicals, or that they won't leech them under different circumstances.
> Consider the 89% cadmium jewelery being sold by Walmart these days,
> basically poison if ingested, but allowed because, after all, who swallows
> jewelery?  Consider the recycling #1 plastic bottles (like water bottles)
> that are mostly fine to use for their intended purpose (one-time food
> storage), but upon reuse start leeching hazardous chemicals.  Just because a
> refrigerator doesn't release large amounts of (human) toxins in typical
> intended use doesn't mean that it wouldn't release (human or plant) toxins
> if used to contain soil, and your plant's nutrition directly affects your
> nutrition.
>
> I'm not trying to be alarmist.  It also might be really good for the plant.
> There's just a lot we don't know about that sort of setup.
>
> Erich
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:44 AM, giantgardener <giantgardener@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There was an article in a magazine once (10 yrs ago?) about a man who built
> > a beautiful home entirely from scrap materials. He also built terraced
> > mountainside permie gardens out of used fridges he obtained from the tip,
> > even growing fruit trees in them. He additionally used them for goat and
> > chicken sheds, too. Can't remember which mag it was in, but the man was from
> > either Switzerland or Germany.
> >
> > Bob Flowerdew, a British gardening guru, also has gardening uses for them,
> > as water buts and storage.
> >
> > That's all I've ever been able to find so far. Does anyone have further
> > information on this type of gardening? Could be very useful for handicapped
> > gardening. Am wondering about cautions using fridges.
> >
> > Any references / info on fridge gardens would be useful!
> >
> >
> >
>

#4875

From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Book list

icculus2000

Hi Everyone,

This is a partial list.. mostly to do with permaculture related
subjects, but with some digressions - if you know me, you'll know
that's a completely normal part of conversation with me, and this is
basically a conversation I'm starting.

You should feel free to write me with questions or thoughts on any of
these books/topics.

Peace and love,

Steve

(p.s. - I guess I'd better add "Home Economics" by Wendell Berry to the list..)


--
"In the face of all-annihilating weapons, the natural next step may be
the use of no weapons.  It may be that the only possibly effective
defense against the ultimate weapon is no weapon at all."

~ Wendell Berry, in '84 (from the essay "Property, Patriotism and
National Defense" as included in the book "Home Economics")

1 of 1 File(s)

Steves Book List.docx

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#4876

From: Tomas Remiarz <tomas.remiarz@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:27 pm
Subject: Polyculture research

tomas.remiarz

Hi all

just joined this group after hearing that the polyculture research programme has been discussed here. Pleased to hear how quickly the news has spread. Just to alleviate any concerns, let me say that the Permaculture Association, of which I am a director, is a charity comitted to education and research, and this programme is specifically intended as an opportunity for practitioners to share information with each other. This is our first participative research programme, so any advice or offer of help would be appreciated.

To start this process, we want to bring together people working with polycultures or researching them, to explore what we need to know, and how we start finding out. In March and April we will bring anyone interested together in Bristol, Leeds and London to begin this exploration. At the end of each session we hope to have that most important ingredient of research: a set of curious questions, and hopefully some ideas on how to answer them Research into permaculture is all about asking curious questions, and collaborating on finding the answers. We are also preparing a baseline survey to find out what polycultures are growing where, and what practitioners want to find out about them. To find out more, request a questionaire or book a place at one of these events, please contact research@...

Best wishes
Tomas Remiarz

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Tomas Remiarz - GreenLand Services

Sustainable Solutions for Urban and Rural Communities
Permaculture Design, Teaching and Practice
Ecological Restoration Projects

#4877

From: "annaoake@..." <junglistlily@...>
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2010 8:58 pm
Subject: nutritional value wild food

annaoake...

Hello!
Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im doing
a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock root,
reedmace, chesnuts etc..
what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have
carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource thats
researched into this or has any info?
I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other
plants too..
Any leads will be gratefully recieved!
Thanks..

#4878

From: School Gardens for Change <schoolgardens4change@...>
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:46 am
Subject: School gardens -- Take action for a growing movement!

olivetrii

Dear all,

I volunteer as a school garden teacher ... and I believe that organic school gardens are one of the best solutions to improve our youth's health, education and future.� I am excited to let you know about an amazing opportunity this week for you to take action to increase the impact of school gardens all across America.

That's why I'm urging you to VOTE THIS WEEK ONLY to win a national campaign for school gardens! In the 2010 "Ideas for Change in America" contest, the idea "Good Food For All Kids: A Garden at Every School" is currently competing to win.

PLEASE VOTE NOW for "Good Food For All Kids: A Garden at Every School" in the 2010 "Ideas for Change in America" contest.

Go to http://change.org/ideas to vote for the idea of universal school gardens at
http://www.change.org/ideas/view/good_food_for_all_kids_a_garden_at_every_school_2

There are only TWO days left to vote for a sustainable food future through school gardens: Voting ends Friday, March 12th! The top 10 ideas are winners, and after more than one week of voting, "A Garden at Every School" is holding strong in a dead heat for 10th place. In order to win, it's essential for EVERYONE to VOTE ONCE in this poll and to advise more people in your community to participate in this vote! The top 10 ideas will then be launched as national grassroots campaigns.

Please vote today and pass along to your friends:
www.change.org/ideas/view/good_food_for_all_kids_a_garden_at_every_school_2
(or a shorter link to pass on): www.tinyurl.com/schoolgardens

Please vote for this vision: "By planting a garden at every school in America, we will ensure that every young person has the opportunity to benefit from eating more fresh healthy foods. A well-planned edible schoolyard can supply a significant portion of a school's daily food needs. By cultivating a garden together, children learn vital skills in team work, problem solving, creative planning, and sustainable living. Garden-based classes are a great way to complement classroom education in many subjects including biology, botany, ecology, mathematics, nutrition, art, and writing. Most importantly, gardening is fun for youth! School gardens can dramatically enliven the learning process by giving students the ability to connect in a very experiential and hands-on way with the incredible living world unfolding all around them.�The diet of America's youth needs to improve. Hunger, bad nutrition and obesity among children are leading causes of health risks and often contribute to poor classroom performance. For all of these reasons and many more, let's support the vision for a garden growing at every school in America!"

The originator of this idea for a garden at every school in America is Ethan Genauer, a 30 year-old school gardening teacher in Washington, DC. The mission of "School Gardens Across America" is to coalesce a national "universal school gardening" movement that will plant a large number of new school gardens across the United States in Spring 2010, leading to a garden planted at every US school within this decade.

Thanks so much for your vote in the "Ideas for Change in America" competition.

Please forward this on to any other folks who may be interested in supporting the universal growth of school gardens!

Congratulations for participating in food democracy!

Sincerely,
Ethan Genauer

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#4879

From: peter wheat <peter_wheat@...>
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:15 am
Subject: RE: nutritional value wild food

peter_wheat

Some foods are detailed here:

e.g.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-burdock000000000000000000000.html

http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-chestnuts000000000000000000000.html

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: junglistlily@...
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:58:40 +0000
Subject: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food

Hello!
Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im doing a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock root, reedmace, chesnuts etc..
what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource thats researched into this or has any info?
I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other plants too..
Any leads will be gratefully recieved!
Thanks..

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#4880

From: "ossi" <ossi@...>
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:40 pm
Subject: RE: nutritional value wild food

ossikakko

Hi,

see

http://www.couplan.com/fr/boutique/livre.php?id=25

it's in french, but learning limited vocabulary is not so hard.

:)ssi


> Hello!
> Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
> Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im
> doing a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
> Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock
> root, reedmace, chesnuts etc..
> what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have
> carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource
> thats researched into this or has any info?
> I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other
> plants too..
> Any leads will be gratefully recieved!
> Thanks..
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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#4881

From: Steve <permalove@...>
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: re: Nutritional Value Wild Food

icculus2000

Hi.. I guess your name is Anna?

I'm Steve (in Bermuda), and am also very interested in wild food
nutrition, especially in how non-hybridized and/or wild foods differ
in nutrient values from "domesticated" varieties.

I highly recommend you contact Arthur Haines in Maine (USA).  He is
very well regarded in this area, and lives as much as he can from
foraging in his local area.

Here is a video interview (6-part) in which activist and health
motivator Daniel Vitalis interviews Arthur at his home.
In Parts 2 and 3 Arthur processes pignut hickory with step-by-step description.

Here are the links..

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJEMR-Udpbg (Intro/self-sufficiency)
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ZY5MhufM4 (Processing wild
pignut hickory)
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGN950zzdo (Wild nutrition/
pignut hickory nutmilk)
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGh4gescLu8 (non-tea kombucha)
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9PXpuCQuc (Harvesting wild rice)
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVUeNqdV94I (Wild Rice continued)
Bonus vid. � Arthur starts a fire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w9Q_tCL3Tk

Peace

Steve


--
"In the face of all-annihilating weapons, the natural next step may be
the use of no weapons.  It may be that the only possibly effective
defense against the ultimate weapon is no weapon at all."

~ Wendell Berry, in '84 (from the essay "Property, Patriotism and
National Defense" as included in the book "Home Economics")

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#4882

From: Deborah Miller <speciald52@...>
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:23 pm
Subject: RE: nutritional value wild food

speciald52

hi from usa tennessee-

do not know of one.however i will be on the lookout , i,m semi retired reg nurse and use to Teach .

deborah

From: ossi <ossi@...>
Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:40 AM

Hi,

see

http://www.couplan. com/fr/boutique/ livre.php? id=25

it's in french, but learning limited vocabulary is not so hard.

:)ssi

> Hello!
> Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
> Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im
> doing a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
> Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock
> root, reedmace, chesnuts etc..
> what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have
> carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource
> thats researched into this or has any info?
> I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other
> plants too..
> Any leads will be gratefully recieved!
> Thanks..
>
>
>
>
>
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#4883

From: matthew@...
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:21 am
Subject: Re: nutritional value wild food

matthew_sleigh

here is a list of plants that are said to benefit Diabetics, they need to be
looked at individually to check which parts are beneficial, or even edible. Many
are both food and medicine:
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/aleCat.asp?title=*Diabetes,%20Plants%20for%20trea\
ting%20diabetes&list=946

Momordica balsamina is missing, this is wild Ampalya. Momordica charantia,
domesticated  Ampalya "bitter gourd" is listed. Momordica charantia is sold for
food and processed into medicine too.

Theobroma cacao should be listed too (but not when made into milk chocolate).

All the best,
Matthew

Matthew Sleigh
P-2, North Poblacion
Don Carlos, Bukidnon
8712
Philippines

Matthew Sleigh
B and T World Seeds
Paguignan
34210 Aigues-Vives
France
matthew@...
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/
fax ++ 33 (0) 4 68 91 30 39

----- Original Message -----
From: speciald52@...
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/10/10 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food

hi  from  usa    tennessee-
 
do not know  of  one.however i  will be on  the  lookout    , i,m semi
retired reg   nurse  and  use  to  Teach .
 
deborah

From: ossi
Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:40 AM


 



Hi,

see

http://www.couplan. com/fr/boutique/ livre.php? id=25

it's in french, but learning limited vocabulary is not so hard.

:)ssi

> Hello!
> Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
> Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im
> doing a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
> Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock
> root, reedmace, chesnuts etc..
> what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have
> carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource
> thats researched into this or has any info?
> I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other
> plants too..
> Any leads will be gratefully recieved!
> Thanks..
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell
> us now
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#4884

From: Patty Martz <volvelle2003@...>
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:00 am
Subject: Re: nutritional value wild food

volvelle2003

Burdock has its benefits, but also some fairly serious side effects to consider, especially if pregnant, nursing, young children, allergic to ragweed, or a diabetic on medication. 
http://www.ehow.com/about_5042349_benefits-burdock-root.html

You may want to consider Dandelion Root Tea instead.
http://www.anniesremedy.com/herb_detail92.php?gc=92&gclid=CKvzyqrRr6ACFdhM5Qod7k7n7g

This phytochemistry site lists many isolated compounds of a variety of essential oils and plants, with some insights about potential uses and also
potential side effects. It is written in the "foreign" language of scientific jargon, but you can google the ingredients and wikipedia can help find more information that is easier to decipher. I have been trying to find a simple way to coordinate an effort to consolidate and "translate" this information to "plain speech" so it can be useful to everyone.
http://www.biologie.uni-erlangen.de/pharmbiol/Abstract/Phytochemistry.html


From: Deborah Miller
<speciald52@...>
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:23:29 PM
Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food

 
hi  from  usa    tennessee- 
 
do not know  of  one.however i  will be on  the  lookout    , i,m semi retired reg   nurse  and  use  to  Teach .
 
deborah

From: ossi <ossi@...>
Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:40 AM

 Hi,

see

http://www.couplan. com/fr/boutique/ livre.php? id=25

it's in french, but learning limited vocabulary is not so hard.

:)ssi

> Hello!
> Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
> Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im
> doing a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
> Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock
> root, reedmace, chesnuts etc..
> what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have
> carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource
> thats researched into this or has any info?
> I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other
> plants too..
> Any leads will be
gratefully recieved!
> Thanks..
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell
> us now
> http://clk.atdmt. com/UKM/go/ 195013117/ direct/01/

#4885

From: matthew@...
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:59 am
Subject: Re: nutritional value wild food

matthew_sleigh

Not long ago this was one of the best sites worldwide, for Ethnobotany and plant
chemistry:
http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

All the best,
Matthew

Matthew Sleigh
P-2, North Poblacion
Don Carlos, Bukidnon
8712
Philippines

Matthew Sleigh
B and T World Seeds
Paguignan
34210 Aigues-Vives
France
matthew@...
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/
fax ++ 33 (0) 4 68 91 30 39

________________________________
From: Deborah Miller
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:23:29 PM
Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food


hi  from  usa    tennessee-

do not know  of  one.however i  will be on  the  lookout    , i,m semi retired
reg   nurse  and  use  to  Teach .

deborah

>From: ossi
>Subject: RE: [pfaf] nutritional value wild food
>To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:40 AM
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>see
>
>http://www.couplan. com/fr/boutique/ livre.php? id=25
>
>it's in french, but learning limited vocabulary is not so hard.
>
>:)ssi
>
>> Hello!
>> Im new to this group and am excited to find out if you can help me?
>> Im diabetic and slowly wanting to change over to foraging all my foods (im
>> doing a survival skills in the wild course at the moment too
>> Im researching carbohydrate content found in wild food suxh as burdock
>> root, reedmace, chesnuts etc..
>> what im finding is there is no real information on which foods have
>> carbs/starches in them, is there anyone who knows of a book or resource
>> thats researched into this or has any info?
>> I have info on the plants mentioned above but want to expand this to other
>> plants too..
>> Any leads will be
> gratefully recieved!
>> Thanks..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell
>> us now
>> http://clk.atdmt. com/UKM/go/ 195013117/ direct/01/
>
>

#4886

From: School Gardens for Change <schoolgardens4change@...>
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:00 pm
Subject: School gardens idea: Top 10 reasons to vote!

olivetrii

Dear everyone,

Exciting news!!!
�
The idea "Good Food For All Kids: A Garden at Every School" has a great
chance to actually win the 2010 "Ideas for Change in America" contest!

If you still have not voted, please cast your vote before it's too late at:
http://www.change.org/ideas/view/good_food_for_all_kids_a_garden_at_every_school_2
�
With just 2 days left to vote in the contest, this idea currently holds a winning position in the top 10, with over THREE THOUSAND votes!

But it's still a very close race, and we need every single vote we can get before the contest ends Friday, March 12th at 5 pm!!!

VOTE NOW - http://www.change.org/ideas/view/good_food_for_all_kids_a_garden_at_every_school_2

PLEASE ALSO VOTE FOR A WONDERFUL IDEA FOR SUSTAINABLE FOOD INVESTING WITH "SLOW MONEY": http://www.change.org/ideas/view/slow_our_money_down_and_invest_as_if_food_farms_and_fertility_mattered

Why is this so important?

Learn more about Slow Money's terrific work here: http://www.slowmoneyalliance.org/

And here's 10 excellent reasons for school gardens, courtesy of Better School Food:

Top Ten Reasons Why School Gardens are an Excellent Idea ( http://www.betterschoolfood.org/ )

1. Magic happens when a child harvests a vegetable he or she has planted and nurtured. The child will want to eat it! It will increase interest and improve attitudes towards eating fruits and vegetables.

2. Students will learn where food really comes from - a carrot grows in the ground, a green bean on a vine and Brussels sprouts on a stalk!

3. School gardens foster an increased awareness of environmental issues. They will learn to respect and care for the soil, where our food comes from.

4. They will get to share their bounty with their classmates. Eating with their peers is one of the most important motivators for children to try new foods.

5. It gives children an opportunity to be outside and away from computer screens and, at the same time, significantly increase science achievement scores.

6. They improve self esteem, behavior, social skills and interpersonal relationships as well as help develop life skills including working with groups.

7. Research by Columbia Teachers College shows that hands-on gardening and cooking programs are the two things that are actually effective in behavior change; they get kids to eat more vegetables.

8. The gardens are beautiful spaces that connect students to their school and help them develop a sense of pride and ownership, which in turn improves attitudes towards school and discourages vandalism.

9. They provide opportunities for community involvement including neighbors, volunteers, parents, and local businesses.

10. School gardens promote good nutrition and exercise. The health of our kids and the health of our planet are fundamentally connected.

Thanks so much for your vote and your enthusiasm for this cause!

Congratulations for participating in food democracy!

Sincerely,
Ethan Genauer

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#4887

From: Jud <tendingthewild@...>
Date: Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:52 pm
Subject: Re:Polyculture research

jud.daffern

US forest garden research wiki:

http://www.apiosinstitute.org/

#4888

From: "i23testingcyborg2000" <cromlech108@...>
Date: Thu Mar 4, 2010 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: Book list

i23testingcy...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf/database?method=reportRows&tbl=1

:)

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Steve <permalove@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is a partial list.. mostly to do with permaculture related
> subjects, but with some digressions - if you know me, you'll know
> that's a completely normal part of conversation with me, and this is
> basically a conversation I'm starting.
>
> You should feel free to write me with questions or thoughts on any of
> these books/topics.
>
> Peace and love,
>
> Steve
>
> (p.s. - I guess I'd better add "Home Economics" by Wendell Berry to the
list..)
>
>
> --
> "In the face of all-annihilating weapons, the natural next step may be
> the use of no weapons.  It may be that the only possibly effective
> defense against the ultimate weapon is no weapon at all."
>
> ~ Wendell Berry, in '84 (from the essay "Property, Patriotism and
> National Defense" as included in the book "Home Economics")
>

Reply | Messages in this Topic (3)

#4889

From: "trentrhode" <trentrhode@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:41 pm
Subject: Re:Polyculture research

trentrhode

Actually, this will be an international polyculture research project, and more
than just a wiki. They are still working on the system and incorporating an
ability to add other countries during sign up. It's a technical issue being
worked out and they are just learning the system :)

People can sign up now and just choose US and later they can change to their
country.

Regarding concerns of whether it's free or not. It is about $25/year. I agree
that it would be nice if it were free, but it has and will continue to require a
lot of work on the part of the institute, and yes, although they will be getting
information from people, it will also be sharing a lot of information, providing
tools, and facilitating information exchange and networking. So if it's a
question of value, yes it's worth it, and maybe someday they will be able to be
supported by other sources of funding.
~Trent

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Jud <tendingthewild@...> wrote:
>
> US forest garden research wiki:
>
> http://www.apiosinstitute.org/
>

#4890

From: "trentrhode" <trentrhode@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:43 pm
Subject: Re:Polyculture research

trentrhode

Oh, regarding my previous post, actually, it seems as though other countries and
states/provinces have been added now on sign up! It's officially international
:)
~Trent

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Jud <tendingthewild@...> wrote:
>
> US forest garden research wiki:
>
> http://www.apiosinstitute.org/
>

#4891

From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re:Polyculture research

miekal2001

Charging to view a wiki seems to be a contradiction in terms.� & collecting members information without them benefiting from from the fees collected is a real head scratcher.� Wikis were originally designed to facilitate the open source movement.� Information wants to be free.
�
~mIEKAL

#4892

From: "giantgardener" <giantgardener@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:48 pm
Subject: soil amendments

giantgardener

Just wondering about rock powders.  They've become the new fertilizer, and am
wondering if anyone's had any luck/opinions in using them.

#4893

From: Smittyctz6 <cityhomesteader@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: soil amendments

cityhomesteader

I have used Rock Phosphate, Greensand, and Dolomite..They work..

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:48 AM, giantgardener <giantgardener@...> wrote:

�

Just wondering about rock powders. They've become the new fertilizer, and am wondering if anyone's had any luck/opinions in using them.

--
Bruce Smith
InHisThyme Homestead

@{--+----+------+------------

A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will bring heaven to your soul. �~Author Unknown

#4894

From: Sean Maley <semaley@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: soil amendments

semaley

Be aware of Ca/Mg, P/K, NH4/NO3, etc balances. A good book on the concept is "Science in Agriculture" by Arden Andersen. Dolomite is heavy on the Mg, so make sure that is what you need. The same problem is often found with Greensand, but for Potassium (K). However, it helps to know what is in the soil before hand and, hence, know what you need; Dolomite or Greensand could be the answer in a given case, but could also feed the weeds/insects in most other cases.

Most likely, the rock phosphates will help, but not all rock phosphates are created equally either. You will need to research this for yourself as to what is appropriate on your soil and with what is available; not to mention introducing toxins/imbalances to your soil. I just read books, so don't take my word for it.

-Sean.
--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Smittyctz6 <cityhomesteader@...> wrote:

From: Smittyctz6 <cityhomesteader@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] soil amendments
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 1:19 PM

I have used Rock Phosphate, Greensand, and Dolomite..They work..

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:48 AM, giantgardener <giantgardener@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Just wondering about rock powders. They've become the new fertilizer, and am wondering if anyone's had any luck/opinions in using them.

--
Bruce Smith
InHisThyme Homestead

@{--+----+-- ----+---- --------

A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will bring heaven to your soul. ~Author Unknown

#4895

From: "giantgardener" <giantgardener@...>
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:20 pm
Subject: Re:Polyculture research

giantgardener

They will be getting free info, but they won't be "sharing" quite as much except
in teaser form.  I wonder, if the contributors request their donated info be
free to all, would the institute agree?  I'll have to ask them.


--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "trentrhode" <trentrhode@...> wrote:
>
> Actually, this will be an international polyculture research project, and more
than just a wiki. They are still working on the system and incorporating an
ability to add other countries during sign up. It's a technical issue being
worked out and they are just learning the system :)
>
> People can sign up now and just choose US and later they can change to their
country.
>
> Regarding concerns of whether it's free or not. It is about $25/year. I agree
that it would be nice if it were free, but it has and will continue to require a
lot of work on the part of the institute, and yes, although they will be getting
information from people, it will also be sharing a lot of information, providing
tools, and facilitating information exchange and networking. So if it's a
question of value, yes it's worth it, and maybe someday they will be able to be
supported by other sources of funding.
> ~Trent
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Jud <tendingthewild@> wrote:
> >
> > US forest garden research wiki:
> >
> > http://www.apiosinstitute.org/
> >
>

#4896

From: "giantgardener" <giantgardener@...>
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:05 am
Subject: Re:Polyculture research

giantgardener

Didn't PFAF start out as a donations only site?  Has Ken Fern ever charged for
his online database?  The earth is doomed if the BOD ever gets that notion into
their heads!  I can honestly say, permaculture would not mean as much--to me--if
it weren't for PFAF.  Its become a shining model for all aspects of the
permaculture movement.

Unfortunately many are ignoring the model and charge for information desperately
needed by all more than ever, not just for farmers interested in making more
socially responsible money in the currently popular organics movement.  Nothing
wrong with that, but what is there for the budding backyard gardener [of which
there are a vast number - more than farmers] who becomes interested in
permaculture -- not to make a buck, but simply to feed their families while
helping the earth just a bit?  Most courses are prohibitive, and to be
honest...a bit over our heads at first, while precious guild info is little to
nonexistant online.  Polyculture info often feels like pulling teeth with the
more knowledgable. Seems more and more are getting the idea one can profit off
the movement lately so why not, even marginally?  Gets you down at times, seeing
more of Madison Avenue creeping in, is all.

Does anyone truly realize what Ken took a chance on?  The PFAF database has
benefitted every people group throughout the world.  Do you think the Apois
Institute will be able to say the same in 30 years?  No one can deny PFAF is a
labor of love.  For free, based on donations.  Hint, hint.  You betcha, both for
PFAF and to the Apois Institute.  I'd be more than happy to regularly donate if
the freely collected info will be free to all.  Other than that, it's just
another fancy garden club.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@...> wrote:
>
> Charging to view a wiki seems to be a contradiction in terms.  & collecting
> members information without them benefiting from from the fees collected is
> a real head scratcher.  Wikis were originally designed to facilitate the
> open source movement.  Information wants to be free.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>