I looked up a few plants in the database and found that under Cultivation, they
say:
"It is hardy to zone 0."

There is apparently no "Zone 0",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardiness_zone

...so does anyone know what the error means, and what the growing zone is
actually for these plants?

I've seen this so far for 2 plants that I've looked up:
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Cuscuta+chinensis
and
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Sparganium+stoloniferum

Thanks.

Regards,
Vel N.

Yes, and eastern finnish shifting cultivators used to ferment at least
Urtica dioicea, Cirsium heterophyllum, C. Arvense and Heracleum sibiricum
just the way like the cherokee or nepalese -  without milk - just the
veggies - and they're even more full of probiotics too ...

Ossi Kakko


> In literature of what eskimos and Lappish people  have been
> eating.......... fermenting wild greens like Rhodiola , Cochlearia and
> Angelica  are mentioned in reindeer or seal stomachs with reindeer
> milk... (Porsild ?).
>
> Geir Flatabø
>
> 2009/12/4 Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...>
>
>>
>>
>>   The reason I use whey (from yogurt) to ferment is that it has
>> probiotics, which I think is advantageous if the recipe calls for that
>> type
>> of fermentation.  Any veggie can be used.  You can use goat yogurt, too,
>> which I think is better than cow yogurt.  Yogurt is easy to make...just
>> bring 4 c milk (goat or cow) almost to boil, take off heat & put in
>> glass
>> bowl & cover w/ towel for 50 minutes, then mix in 2 T plain yogurt mixed
>> with 2 T milk & add to your cooled milk.  Store in a thermos that is
>> covered
>> with a folded towel or washcloth & let sit about 8-10 hours or until
>> thickened, then refrigerate.
>> Gail
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, Laury Carter <claury@...>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Laury Carter <claury@...>
>> Subject: [pfaf] Re: fermented wild greens ?
>> To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
>>
>>
>> Thank you all so much for this interesting discussion! I have been
>> making
>> kimchee for years, thanks to having the pleasure of hosting S. Korean
>> students, but I thought the fermentation was related to the cabbage and
>> bok
>>
>> choy only.
>>
>> Clearly I didn't think very hard! btw, I find that sea salt works well
>> but
>> iodized salt leaves a bitter taste.
>>
>> I am looking forward to using this new info.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Laury
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Geranium type-a new lemongrass oil for soaps/candles/aromatherapy

A "new" clone/genotype of lemongrass has been developed which has "CITRONELLOL"
and "GERANIOL", similar to "Oil of Gearnium"
Thus it has a Rose-Geranium type note, with a shade of "fresh-lime"

This is a cheaper substitute for oil of geranium, and very well suited for
soaps, candles and aromatheapy etc

For more info, including GCMS etc please contact by email

Kind Regards
Gurpreet Singh

earthy_essences@...

Here is a good Dodder page:
http://www.floridata.com/ref/c/cusc_spp.cfm

Most Cuscuta are annual. The seeds can survive high and low temperatures,
hardiness depends more on the hosts, and season length (if the season is too
short, Dodder may not have time to fruit) than the average yearly minimum
temperature. Under warmer conditions some Cuscuta can be perennial.

Sparganium eurycarpum (syn Sparganium stoloniferum) is hardy to USDA zone 5:
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/carth.asp?species=Sparganium%20eurycarpum&sref=83\
568

All the best,
Matthew

Matthew Sleigh
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8712
Philippines

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B and T World Seeds
Paguignan
34210 Aigues-Vives
France
matthew@...
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/
fax ++ 33 (0) 4 68 91 30 39

----- Original Message -----
From: velnatarajan6@...
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 12/6/09 12:17 PM
Subject: [pfaf] Question on PFAF Database hardiness Zone classifications.

I looked up a few plants in the database and found that under Cultivation, they
say:
"It is hardy to zone 0."

There is apparently no "Zone 0",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardiness_zone

....so does anyone know what the error means, and what the growing zone is
actually for these plants?

I've seen this so far for 2 plants that I've looked up:
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Cuscuta+chinensis
and
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Sparganium+stoloniferum

Thanks.

Regards,
Vel N.



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Hi, everyone.

Wow.  A yahoo group dedicated to PFAF.  What luck! Have used PFAF for some time
now, and admire Ken Fern for compiling such an extensive labor of love.

Has anyone here ever used the Compleat Botanica database software by Crescent
Bloom?  Is it as extensive as it claims?  I've been searching for an adaptable
botanical software program, and none so far allow user specific field additions.
This one claims to.

Hello David

  thanks for the info, I ordered some from nickys-nursery and after the first lot
getting lost in the post i received them, whenI had a look at them they where
all tan colour, simon hickmont in future foods sayes Stevia produce 2 kinds of
seeds, fertile black one's and non viable tan colour seeds, have you had succes
with seeds from nickys nursery before of where your seeds from a different
source and can you rember the colour. the Scotish nursery with the plants is
www.poyntzfieldherbs.co.uk , if i have no luck with the germination I will try
them. Thanks for your tips about germination.

Alex

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, david.keltie@... wrote:
>
> Here you go:
>
>
http://www.nickys-nursery.co.uk/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?anchor=top&SA\
SSpage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nickys-nursery.co.uk%2F&keywords=stevia&B1=+++Search+++
>
> Warning - they're difficult to germinate. However, I've had some success
> with putting them on wet kitchen roll, then sealing in a freezer bag. Need
> to be left on a window sill - they need light to germinate.
>
> Also there is a place in Scotland that sells the plants but I can't now
> trace the URL....
>
> Hope this helps, David
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:06 AM, alexsproutchicken <
> alexsproutchicken@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi, I have been trying to get hold of some Stevia seeds in the UK and not
> > been able to, can anyone recommend any seed merchants that can supply them
> > or I you have some saved ones and can spare a few that would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Can't remember the colour, sorry. Around 10 germinated but I've now
only got 4 I'm growing (slowly) on.

You should email nickys-nursery the info you have - I've always found
them very accommodating...

Cheers, David

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, alexsproutchicken
<alexsproutchicken@...> wrote:
>
> Hello David
>
>  thanks for the info, I ordered some from nickys-nursery and after the first
lot getting lost in the post i received them, whenI had a look at them they
where all tan colour, simon hickmont in future foods sayes Stevia produce 2
kinds of seeds, fertile black one's and non viable tan colour seeds, have you
had succes with seeds from nickys nursery before of where your seeds from a
different source and can you rember the colour. the Scotish nursery with the
plants is www.poyntzfieldherbs.co.uk , if i have no luck with the germination I
will try them. Thanks for your tips about germination.
>
> Alex
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, david.keltie@... wrote:
>>
>> Here you go:
>>
>>
http://www.nickys-nursery.co.uk/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?anchor=top&SA\
SSpage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nickys-nursery.co.uk%2F&keywords=stevia&B1=+++Search+++
>>
>> Warning - they're difficult to germinate. However, I've had some success
>> with putting them on wet kitchen roll, then sealing in a freezer bag. Need
>> to be left on a window sill - they need light to germinate.
>>
>> Also there is a place in Scotland that sells the plants but I can't now
>> trace the URL....
>>
>> Hope this helps, David
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:06 AM, alexsproutchicken <
>> alexsproutchicken@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hi, I have been trying to get hold of some Stevia seeds in the UK and not
>> > been able to, can anyone recommend any seed merchants that can supply them
>> > or I you have some saved ones and can spare a few that would be brilliant.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

What would be the best way to extract the essence from the olive leaf?
I'd like to start using this protocol for health reasons and have some organic
leaves. My googling hasn't returned any useful methods. Can you help?

Thank you,
Joy
Indigo Animal Rescue Worldwide

The message <SNT131-w33098EF11A1A1E32C8561ED1890@...>
from Elaine Sommers <elainesommers@...> contains these words:

> Hi Joy, what can the olive leaf essence be used for?



> I also make tinctures using vodka, or brandy sometimes. It is an
> excellent way of extraction. I have used it successfully with cleavers
> (galium aparine) which has been used to aid sufferers of psoriasis.

> Elaine.


I'm intrigued too, as I live surrounded by olive groves.

I use rakija, being inexpensive local alcohol, to make a horse chestnut
tincture for varicose veins.

Cheers

Peter

Hi Peter, Mary and All,

I want to break this down into a science. For some reason, maybe
intuitition just macerating the leaves in alcohol or boiling them
doesn't seem to be the way. Maybe it needs to be a process of
distillation? I know that's so much of a hassle for most of us - who
really does have those fancy set ups or know-how? Maybe to pulverize the
leaves before the tincture in alcohol process? Maybe boiling them,
scraping them or squeezing them through a sieve and then doing the
tincture? From wikipedia it's the *antioxidant
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioxidant> oleuropein
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleuropein> and hydroxytyrosol
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxytyrosol>, as well as several other
polyphenols and flavonoids <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid>
including Oleocanthal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleocanthal> that
need to be extracted. Does heat destroy any of them? Would sun light do
the trick equally well with a glycerin base? Or maybe just forgo the
whole maceration and just pulverize the leaves and put them in gelatin
capsules and down them that way?

I need them for an internal fungal situation and probably could have
done well with a good extract 2 weeks ago. The market seems to be afluff
with all kinds of products and it's so hard knowing exactly what's what
and which process is the most effective. Either the experts are keeping
a lid on it in secrecy or else simply nobody knows for sure.

Blessings,
Joy

----- Original Message -----

From: Linda Morris

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:42 AM

Subject: Re: [pfaf] Re: Olive leaf extract

 

Hello, I am Linda and I live in Florida in the USA,,I am learning about making medicine, so far I have only filled capsules with what I have ordered.  But I have a book that was written 10 years ago an it tells all abut making tinures using root, leaves or bark or fruits,,,I have not read it all yet,,I work 40 hours a week at night then sleep, when I am off I have not gotten much accomplished in my medicine making,,,,but I will research this for you and try to get the information back to you....if you will send me your mailing address I will copy the pages and mail them to you,,Linda --- On Tue, 12/15/09, j.sherri <beitharmony@gmail.com> wrote: From: j.sherri <beitharmony@gmail.com> Subject: [pfaf] Re: Olive leaf extract To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 7:34 AM   Hi Peter, Mary and All, I want to break this down into a science. For some reason, maybe intuitition just macerating the leaves in alcohol or boiling them doesn't seem to be the way. Maybe it needs to be a process of distillation? I know that's so much of a hassle for most of us - who really does have those fancy set ups or know-how? Maybe to pulverize the leaves before the tincture in alcohol process? Maybe boiling them, scraping them or squeezing them through a sieve and then doing the tincture? From wikipedia it's the *antioxidant <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Antioxidant> oleuropein <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Oleuropein> and hydroxytyrosol <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Hydroxytyrosol>, as well as several other polyphenols and flavonoids <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Flavonoid> including Oleocanthal <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Oleocanthal> that need to be extracted. Does heat destroy any of them? Would sun light do the trick equally well with a glycerin base? Or maybe just forgo the whole maceration and just pulverize the leaves and put them in gelatin capsules and down them that way? I need them for an internal fungal situation and probably could have done well with a good extract 2 weeks ago. The market seems to be afluff with all kinds of products and it's so hard knowing exactly what's what and which process is the most effective. Either the experts are keeping a lid on it in secrecy or else simply nobody knows for sure. Blessings, Joy

I did see that process - it seems to be the only one accessible on google. Now
how did the ancient Egyptians go about making it if they didn't have that crock
pot, that's what I'd like to know ;)

Here's what I did today though, my first batch - picked a few leaves, washed
them, soaked them overnight, boiled them, then turned off the heat and just let
the covered pot sit there till it cooled completely. Afterwards took about half
the liquid and the leaves and put that into a food processor and pulverized.
Then took that mixture and put it through a sieve, pouring it then into the rest
of the liquid.

It turned a really dark green - which I think is good.

Maybe I will try to reduce it all by heating it somewhat and let the liquid
evaporate by 1/3 or so. This will only last refrigerated - still have to figure
out a way to get the nutrients but still extend its shelf life without the
alcohol-soaking process. Maybe add some GSE as a preservative?

Blessings,
Joy


--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Gail Lloyd <gardenchick1949@...> wrote:
>
> According to wikipedia, there is recorded evidence of olive leaf's medicinal
use which dates back thousands of years: it was used by ancient Egyptian and
Mediterranean cultures to treat a variety of health conditions, so it can't be
that hard for us to extract it, too.  I did a google search for olive leaf
extract how to make, and this is what I found:
> Put 8 oz. of olive leaves and pour 1 gallon of water into your crock-pot. Turn
the heat on "low." (You want the heat to be around 175-185 degrees Fahrenheit.
Because crock-pots can differ, use the cooking thermometer to check the heat
after the crock-pot has warmed. Adjust the settings accordingly and test again
after the crock-pot has had time to reach the new temperature. This can take
around 15 minutes.)
> After the crock-pot has achieved the correct temperature, cover the mixture
and allow it to simmer for 12 hours. Periodically check the water level and add
a little more water if needed.
> After 12 hours, turn off the crock-pot. Allow the olive leaf extract to cool
for five to six hours.
> Pour the finished extract into a glass container, seal and store in your
refrigerator.
>
http://www.ehow.com/how_5344982_make-olive-leaf-extract.html?ref=fuel&utm_source\
=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art Gail
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: j.sherri <beitharmony@...>
> To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 5:34:35 AM
> Subject: [pfaf] Re: Olive leaf extract
>
>  
> Hi Peter, Mary and All,
>
> I want to break this down into a science. For some reason, maybe
> intuitition just macerating the leaves in alcohol or boiling them
> doesn't seem to be the way. Maybe it needs to be a process of
> distillation? I know that's so much of a hassle for most of us - who
> really does have those fancy set ups or know-how? Maybe to pulverize the
> leaves before the tincture in alcohol process? Maybe boiling them,
> scraping them or squeezing them through a sieve and then doing the
> tincture? From wikipedia it's the *antioxidant
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioxidant> oleuropein
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleuropein> and hydroxytyrosol
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxytyrosol>, as well as several other
> polyphenols and flavonoids <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid>
> including Oleocanthal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleocanthal> that
> need to be extracted. Does heat destroy any of them? Would sun light do
> the trick equally well with a glycerin base? Or maybe just forgo the
> whole maceration and just pulverize the leaves and put them in gelatin
> capsules and down them that way?
>
> I need them for an internal fungal situation and probably could have
> done well with a good extract 2 weeks ago. The market seems to be afluff
> with all kinds of products and it's so hard knowing exactly what's what
> and which process is the most effective. Either the experts are keeping
> a lid on it in secrecy or else simply nobody knows for sure.
>
> Blessings,
> Joy
>

Peter,

Did you test the extract with any kind of ailment? What were/are the results?

Blessings,
Joy





--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Infowolf1@... wrote:
>
> anti fungal, anti viral, anti bacterial, helps lower blood pressure.
> Other stuff too, I'm sure, but that's what I use it for.
>
> Mary Christine
>
>
> In a message dated 12/14/2009 4:03:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> peter.ellis@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> The message <_SNT131-w33098EF11A1SNT131-w33098EF1SNT131-w_
> (mailto:SNT131-w33098EF11A1A1E32C8561ED1890@...) >
> from  Elaine Sommers <_elainesommers@elaineso_
> (mailto:elainesommers@...) >  contains these words:
>
> > Hi Joy, what can the olive leaf essence be  used for?
>
> > I also make tinctures using vodka, or brandy sometimes.  It is an
> > excellent way of extraction. I have used it successfully with  cleavers
> > (galium aparine) which has been used to aid sufferers of  psoriasis.
>
> > Elaine.
>
> I'm intrigued too, as I live surrounded  by olive groves.
>
> I use rakija, being inexpensive local alcohol, to make  a horse chestnut
> tincture for varicose  veins.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>

Hi Joy

Horse chestnut is widely used in commercial gels for rubbing on to
strengthen veins and prevent varicose veins. I've a book which
recommended crushing them in vodka and leaving them to steep for a
month, then filtering and using gelatine to create a gel. I can buy
rakija (schnapps) locally very cheaply. Every farmer around here makes
the stuff as stills are legal here. I pay around two dollars a litre for
it so there was no point in using vodka!
This is the first year I've made it, so I cannot yet comment on its efficacy.
I'd not heard of olive leaf tinctures before but there seems to be
plenty on the internet recommending it. Since I'm surrounded by olive
groves I thought I'd have a go.
I'm very pleased that it was raised here.

Cheers

Peter



The message <hgb5e3+evls@eGroups.com>
from "CatLoveMama" <beitharmony@...> contains these words:

> Peter,

> Did you test the extract with any kind of ailment? What were/are the
> results?

> Blessings,
> Joy





> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Infowolf1@... wrote:
> >
> > anti fungal, anti viral, anti bacterial, helps lower blood pressure.
> > Other stuff too, I'm sure, but that's what I use it for.
> >
> > Mary Christine
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/14/2009 4:03:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > peter.ellis@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The message <_SNT131-w33098EF11A1SNT131-w33098EF1SNT131-w_
> > (mailto:SNT131-w33098EF11A1A1E32C8561ED1890@...) >
> > from  Elaine Sommers <_elainesommers@elaineso_
> > (mailto:elainesommers@...) >  contains these words:
> >
> > > Hi Joy, what can the olive leaf essence be  used for?
> >
> > > I also make tinctures using vodka, or brandy sometimes.  It is an
> > > excellent way of extraction. I have used it successfully with  cleavers
> > > (galium aparine) which has been used to aid sufferers of  psoriasis.
> >
> > > Elaine.
> >
> > I'm intrigued too, as I live surrounded  by olive groves.
> >
> > I use rakija, being inexpensive local alcohol, to make  a horse chestnut
> > tincture for varicose  veins.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Peter
> >




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Mushrooms!
I thought this might interest you.. 11 months after inoculation, I'm
seeing some action on my christmas tree trunks ("harvested" from our
neighbourhood area right before tree collection time last year).
For those of you not living in Bermuda, businesses import thousands of
conifers every year so folks can have a christmas tree on a
subtropical island in the middle of the atlantic ocean, and then they
collect them in trucks after twelfth night.
I find this extremely wasteful, so I decided to get some yield from
it.  A friend and I split an order from Fungi Perfecti (owned and
operated by mushroom guru Paul Stamets) in Washington State, USA.

With better care (these were just tossed to the back of a garden bed
in the shade and covered with burlap), and maybe some closer
monitoring of conditions, we could get something exciting going.
This year I will be doing trials of inoculation by spores fom the old
stock (and so hopefully I'll only have to pay for plug spawn once)..
I'll also be soaking my logs first.

More photos to come.  Questions and comments welcome.

Peace and love,

Steve.

--
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Whenever
governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people,
they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army
upon their ruins."

~ Elbridge Gerry

A combination of alcohol and distilled water is needed to extract all of the
constituants of the leaves. For example, alcohol is needed to extract the
alkaloids, whereas the distilled water is needed to extract the saponins. For
leaves, a 50/50 solution of pure grain alcohol and distilled water works fine.
100 proof vodka is a 50/50 solution of alcohol and water, but the water is NOT
distilled, so it is inferior. There are more advanced processes that take the
preparation a step further by evaporating the alcohol, and then adding glycerin.
The obvious disadvantage is shelf life. Alcoholic tinctures can last up to ten
years, but the glycerin extracts are only good for about a year. Taking ground
leaves in glycerin capsules ensures all the nutrients are present, but again the
shelf life is limited to about a year.

In view of the coming CODEX requirements, which will rob people of their choices
for nutritional options, I am opting for alcoholic tinctures which wil last a
long time. I have purchased large quantities of powdered herbs, mostly from
www.herbalcom.com because of their low prices. I am satisifed with their quality
as well. I have tinctured the powders in large 1-2 liter jars. I also prepared
large quantities of Lugol's iodine, as it will likely become very scarce in the
near future.

For an example of an advanced extract, see the product line put out by Nature's
Answer, as seen on www.vitacost.com, a low cost distributor. I was impressed
with the quality of their products, having purchased alcohol-free extracts of
Lomatium dissectum and Goldenseal from them. The Lomatium root got rid of my
thrush in a mere three weeks. I simply held the Lomatium root extract in my
mouth for several minutes, several times per day (and night).

John /Israel

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "j.sherri" <beitharmony@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter, Mary and All,
>
> I want to break this down into a science. For some reason, maybe
> intuitition just macerating the leaves in alcohol or boiling them
> doesn't seem to be the way. Maybe it needs to be a process of
> distillation? I know that's so much of a hassle for most of us - who
> really does have those fancy set ups or know-how? Maybe to pulverize the
> leaves before the tincture in alcohol process? Maybe boiling them,
> scraping them or squeezing them through a sieve and then doing the
> tincture? From wikipedia it's the *antioxidant
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioxidant> oleuropein
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleuropein> and hydroxytyrosol
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxytyrosol>, as well as several other
> polyphenols and flavonoids <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid>
> including Oleocanthal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleocanthal> that
> need to be extracted. Does heat destroy any of them? Would sun light do
> the trick equally well with a glycerin base? Or maybe just forgo the
> whole maceration and just pulverize the leaves and put them in gelatin
> capsules and down them that way?
>
> I need them for an internal fungal situation and probably could have
> done well with a good extract 2 weeks ago. The market seems to be afluff
> with all kinds of products and it's so hard knowing exactly what's what
> and which process is the most effective. Either the experts are keeping
> a lid on it in secrecy or else simply nobody knows for sure.
>
> Blessings,
> Joy
>