This link Kieren Diment send us:

   http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=a+farm+for+the+future

works.

But first you need to download bittorrent from www.*bittorrent*.com
and be patient because the downloading is very slow.

Thank you Kieren!

Ludwig

On 09/03/2009, at 11:21 AM, Ludd wrote:

> This link Kieren Diment send us:
>
>  http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=a+farm+for+the+future
>
> works.
>
> But first you need to download bittorrent from www.*bittorrent*.com
> and be patient because the downloading is very slow.
>

You may need to adjust your firewall settings

http://www.btfaq.com/serve/cache/25.html

> Thank you Kieren!
>
> Ludwig
>

The message <20090308214301.9145.qmail@...>
from matthew@... contains these words:


> I am in the Philippines and accessed A farm for the Future with no
> problems - here is a link:
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00hs8zp/Natural_World_20082009_A_Farm_for_\
the_Future/

> Matt

Croatia seems to be barred from it. They probably aren't trying to sell
films to the Philippines!

Cheers

Peter

Thank you everyone. I shall send my friends the link and see how they do. I too
thought the doc. was excellent. I hope we have more of such programs including a
lot more practical advice.

Best wishes
Kate

I'm looking for sources of groundnuts (Apios americana) and quamash (Camassia
quamash) and tuberous pea (Lathyrus tuberosus). Does anyone happen to know a
nursery or plant supplier that would offer these, prefereably in Ontario or
somewhere else in Canada?

Thanks!

Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,

Sand Mountain Herbs in Alabama
http://www.sandmountainherbs.com/index.html seems
to have groundnuts..
B & T World Seeds seems to have tuberous pea..
Still looking for quamash/camas.

Peace,

Steve.

--
"Look beyond complexion and see community.."
Maya Angelou


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

or your portforwarding on your router check http://portforward.com/ for easy
explanation

Olaf





To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: kieren@...
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:20:09 +1100
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!























On 09/03/2009, at 11:21 AM, Ludd wrote:



> This link Kieren Diment send us:

>

>  http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=a+farm+for+the+future

>

> works.

>

> But first you need to download bittorrent from www.*bittorrent*.com

> and be patient because the downloading is very slow.

>



You may need to adjust your firewall settings



http://www.btfaq.com/serve/cache/25.html



> Thank you Kieren!

>

> Ludwig

>






















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R! annoying just tried to watch it...nice photography, but flim was stop
starting for some reason. Those grazing fields would I think look better with
fruit and nut trees planted as standards in the meadows and produce much higher
outputs of food etc. Village/collective forest tenure also wood help the anti
fascist movement here in rural England...maybe. ITS MINE ALL MINE.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Ludd <the_pooh_way@...> wrote:
>
> Hello list,
>
> Someone might have already listed this documentary on this list. Sorry
> if that is the case.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hs8zp
> There are about 10 days left to watch it on the BBC website.
>
>
> Absolutely brilliant in summarising the challenge of food production we
> face!
>
> I am looking for someone who is able to provide me with a copy of it so
> that I can burn it on Cd-rom or DVD to use as an educational tool.
>
> Ludwig
>

Steve. Thanks SO much.  Jennifer

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Steve <permalove@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
>
> Sand Mountain Herbs in Alabama
> http://www.sandmountainherbs.com/index.html seems
> to have groundnuts..
> B & T World Seeds seems to have tuberous pea..
> Still looking for quamash/camas.
>
> Peace,
>
> Steve.
>
> --
> "Look beyond complexion and see community.."
> Maya Angelou
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dear Jennifer,

B and T World Seeds, in France, have seed stock of both Camassia quamash and
Lathyrus tuberosus:
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/carth.asp?species=Lathyrus%20tuberosus&sref=1\
5406
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/carth.asp?species=Camassia%20quamash&sref=128\
23

Happy growing,
Matt

I'm looking for sources of groundnuts (Apios americana) and quamash (Camassia
quamash) and tuberous pea (Lathyrus tuberosus). Does anyone happen to know a
nursery or plant supplier that would offer these, prefereably in Ontario or
somewhere else in Canada?

Thanks!

Jennifer


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,
     I'm searching information about ephemerophyte plants : annuals that live in
deserts and have a very short life cycle (approx 1 week). Do you know any site
or book about this ?
     Thanks.                              Maxime

I am not an expert on desert plants but there is a book, Flora of the Indian
Desert by Dr. M.M. Bhandari.  Dr. Bhandari is a real expert of desert plants.  I
acquired this book 11 years back.  I do not know whether Dr. Bhandari is still
active now as he should be over 80 years old now.

I think you should try to get in touch with the Head, Botany Dept., University
of Jodhpur, Jodhpur, Rajasthan, India.  They should be able to help you.  Dr.
Bhandari was also once Head, Botany there.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
   ----- Original Message -----
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   To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:58 PM
   Subject: [pfaf] Ephemerophyte


   Hi,
   I'm searching information about ephemerophyte plants : annuals that live in
deserts and have a very short life cycle (approx 1 week). Do you know any site
or book about this ?
   Thanks. Maxime




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it's on video google
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4152340418943461860&ei=g-m3SdrhGKO6qAOh_\
8j3Aw&q=farm+of+the+future

Olaf

http://www.myspace.com/dumbvoxmusic
http://www.lekkahband.net




From: olafalafel@...
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:13:54 +0000








or your portforwarding on your router check http://portforward.com/ for easy
explanation

Olaf





To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
From: kieren@...
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:20:09 +1100
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!























On 09/03/2009, at 11:21 AM, Ludd wrote:



> This link Kieren Diment send us:

>

>  http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=a+farm+for+the+future

>

> works.

>

> But first you need to download bittorrent from www.*bittorrent*.com

> and be patient because the downloading is very slow.

>



You may need to adjust your firewall settings



http://www.btfaq.com/serve/cache/25.html



> Thank you Kieren!

>

> Ludwig

>






















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This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information and much of what my
husband and I had been talking about.
Thanks, Olaf.
Wolf


 




--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Olaf Alafel <olafalafel@...> wrote:

From: Olaf Alafel <olafalafel@...>
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 11:47 AM







it's on video google
http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=4152340418 943461860&
ei=g-m3SdrhGKO6q AOh_8j3Aw& q=farm+of+ the+future

Olaf

http://www.myspace. com/dumbvoxmusic
http://www.lekkahba nd.net

From: olafalafel@hotmail. com
To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:13:54 +0000

or your portforwarding on your router check http://portforward. com/ for easy
explanation

Olaf

To: pfaf@yahoogroups. com
From: kieren@diment. org
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:20:09 +1100
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!

On 09/03/2009, at 11:21 AM, Ludd wrote:

> This link Kieren Diment send us:

>

> http://www.mininova .org/search/ ?search=a+ farm+for+ the+future

>

> works.

>

> But first you need to download bittorrent from www.*bittorrent* .com

> and be patient because the downloading is very slow.

>

You may need to adjust your firewall settings

http://www.btfaq. com/serve/ cache/25. html

> Thank you Kieren!

>

> Ludwig

>










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--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "jenniferpittet" <jenniferpittet@...> wrote:
>
> Steve. Thanks SO much.  Jennifer
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Steve <permalove@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer,
> >
> > Sand Mountain Herbs in Alabama
> > http://www.sandmountainherbs.com/index.html seems
> > to have groundnuts..
> > B & T World Seeds seems to have tuberous pea..
> > Still looking for quamash/camas.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> > --
> > "Look beyond complexion and see community.."
> > Maya Angelou
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jennifer you can find Quamash at oldhousegardens.com they sell heirloom bulbs.
They are fall planted bulbs. Hope this helps.
Cat
> >
>

Hi, I missed it first time round as so watched it on iplayer too, very
inspiring, karen

A Member Of Eastbournes' Eco Gardening Group




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I live in Indiana, a very industrial agricultural area with all the corn,
soybeans, hay, and wheat that's grown. Indiana used to be an old growth black
walnut forest. Indiana black walnut wood was so prized that it was so
overharvested in early America that the only trees that still grow here are
diseased, stunted and contorted -- the beautiful trees having been de-evolved by
human selection. But, back to topic: I think this video can go a long way in
convincing farmers that forest gardening is a much better way to steward the
land. I'm going to focus on how the whole cost structure of it changes too. No
more need to borrow tens of thousands of dollars to cover seed planting,
fertilizers, and -icides.  We still have several feet of soil, even if it's
mostly dead. With good stewardship, we can have it living again soon.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@...> wrote:
>
> This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information and much of what my
husband and I had been talking about.
> Thanks, Olaf.
> Wolf

yep permaculture is definitly sound.

Very good film.

mmm, yes my species rich meadow at Brightling, east sussex, uk. - a seething
mass of life, planted with standards of fruit and nut trees. I've just mulched
with woodchips for weed supressant and moisture retention especially important
in the first year of planting. Fertilised with seawead meal - potash for root
development. Send me a message and I'll tell you where it is - check it out in
late spring/summer...speshial part of the Weald.




--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "R. Dale Asberry" <bozomind@...> wrote:
>
> I live in Indiana, a very industrial agricultural area with all the corn,
soybeans, hay, and wheat that's grown. Indiana used to be an old growth black
walnut forest. Indiana black walnut wood was so prized that it was so
overharvested in early America that the only trees that still grow here are
diseased, stunted and contorted -- the beautiful trees having been de-evolved by
human selection. But, back to topic: I think this video can go a long way in
convincing farmers that forest gardening is a much better way to steward the
land. I'm going to focus on how the whole cost structure of it changes too. No
more need to borrow tens of thousands of dollars to cover seed planting,
fertilizers, and -icides.  We still have several feet of soil, even if it's
mostly dead. With good stewardship, we can have it living again soon.
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@> wrote:
> >
> > This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information and much of what my
husband and I had been talking about.
> > Thanks, Olaf.
> > Wolf
>

One of the things that my husband talked about was lasagna gardening. After
seeing that video, I have to agree. Plus once we get our land, I intend to
gather saplings from all over the US so that we will have a bit of everything
and that there will be some species of trees and plants that will be saved from
extinction.
Wolf


 

--- On Fri, 3/13/09, ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@...> wrote:

From: ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@...>
Subject: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:36 AM






yep permaculture is definitly sound.

Very good film.

mmm, yes my species rich meadow at Brightling, east sussex, uk. - a seething
mass of life, planted with standards of fruit and nut trees. I've just mulched
with woodchips for weed supressant and moisture retention especially important
in the first year of planting. Fertilised with seawead meal - potash for root
development. Send me a message and I'll tell you where it is - check it out in
late spring/summer. ..speshial part of the Weald.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "R. Dale Asberry" <bozomind@.. .> wrote:
>
> I live in Indiana, a very industrial agricultural area with all the corn,
soybeans, hay, and wheat that's grown. Indiana used to be an old growth black
walnut forest. Indiana black walnut wood was so prized that it was so
overharvested in early America that the only trees that still grow here are
diseased, stunted and contorted -- the beautiful trees having been de-evolved by
human selection. But, back to topic: I think this video can go a long way in
convincing farmers that forest gardening is a much better way to steward the
land. I'm going to focus on how the whole cost structure of it changes too. No
more need to borrow tens of thousands of dollars to cover seed planting,
fertilizers, and -icides. We still have several feet of soil, even if it's
mostly dead. With good stewardship, we can have it living again soon.
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@ > wrote:
> >
> > This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information and much of what my
husband and I had been talking about.
> > Thanks, Olaf.
> > Wolf
>



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

wow! Mother Earth news! YIP!

Take a look at these books:

http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/

..incredible thesis and practical manual, groundbreaking. Get this from the
library.

..and...

Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener's Guide to Over
100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles by Eric Toensmeier. Easier than the
previous volume - start with this book. Describes the 'sheet mulching' techinque
very very well, and in a perennial vegetable/plants context. Read this and
you'll want to enact this in any private or community garden.

Both these books fit very well with the PFAF future ethos.


  --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@...> wrote:
>
> One of the things that my husband talked about was lasagna gardening. After
seeing that video, I have to agree. Plus once we get our land, I intend to
gather saplings from all over the US so that we will have a bit of everything
and that there will be some species of trees and plants that will be saved from
extinction.
> Wolf
>
>
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@...> wrote:
>
> From: ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@...>
> Subject: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
> To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:36 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> yep permaculture is definitly sound.
>
> Very good film.
>
> mmm, yes my species rich meadow at Brightling, east sussex, uk. - a seething
mass of life, planted with standards of fruit and nut trees. I've just mulched
with woodchips for weed supressant and moisture retention especially important
in the first year of planting. Fertilised with seawead meal - potash for root
development. Send me a message and I'll tell you where it is - check it out in
late spring/summer. ..speshial part of the Weald.
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "R. Dale Asberry" <bozomind@ .> wrote:
> >
> > I live in Indiana, a very industrial agricultural area with all the corn,
soybeans, hay, and wheat that's grown. Indiana used to be an old growth black
walnut forest. Indiana black walnut wood was so prized that it was so
overharvested in early America that the only trees that still grow here are
diseased, stunted and contorted -- the beautiful trees having been de-evolved by
human selection. But, back to topic: I think this video can go a long way in
convincing farmers that forest gardening is a much better way to steward the
land. I'm going to focus on how the whole cost structure of it changes too. No
more need to borrow tens of thousands of dollars to cover seed planting,
fertilizers, and -icides. We still have several feet of soil, even if it's
mostly dead. With good stewardship, we can have it living again soon.
> >
> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information and much of what
my husband and I had been talking about.
> > > Thanks, Olaf.
> > > Wolf
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/

..incredible thesis and practical manual, groundbreaking. Get this from the
library.

..and...

Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener's Guide to Over
100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles by Eric Toensmeier. Easier than the
previous volume - start with this book. Describes the 'sheet mulching' techinque
very very well, and in a perennial vegetable/plants context. Read this and
you'll want to enact this in any private or community garden.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/1999-04-01/Lasagna-Gardening.as\
px

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "ryborgryborg268" <cromlech108@...> wrote:
>
> wow! Mother Earth news! YIP!
>
> Take a look at these books:
>
> http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/
>
> ..incredible thesis and practical manual, groundbreaking. Get this from the
library.
>
> ..and...
>
> Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener's Guide to
Over 100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles by Eric Toensmeier. Easier than the
previous volume - start with this book. Describes the 'sheet mulching' techinque
very very well, and in a perennial vegetable/plants context. Read this and
you'll want to enact this in any private or community garden.
>
> Both these books fit very well with the PFAF future ethos.
>
>
>  --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@> wrote:
> >
> > One of the things that my husband talked about was lasagna gardening. After
seeing that video, I have to agree. Plus once we get our land, I intend to
gather saplings from all over the US so that we will have a bit of everything
and that there will be some species of trees and plants that will be saved from
extinction.
> > Wolf
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@> wrote:
> >
> > From: ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@>
> > Subject: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
> > To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:36 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > yep permaculture is definitly sound.
> >
> > Very good film.
> >
> > mmm, yes my species rich meadow at Brightling, east sussex, uk. - a seething
mass of life, planted with standards of fruit and nut trees. I've just mulched
with woodchips for weed supressant and moisture retention especially important
in the first year of planting. Fertilised with seawead meal - potash for root
development. Send me a message and I'll tell you where it is - check it out in
late spring/summer. ..speshial part of the Weald.
> >
> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "R. Dale Asberry" <bozomind@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > I live in Indiana, a very industrial agricultural area with all the corn,
soybeans, hay, and wheat that's grown. Indiana used to be an old growth black
walnut forest. Indiana black walnut wood was so prized that it was so
overharvested in early America that the only trees that still grow here are
diseased, stunted and contorted -- the beautiful trees having been de-evolved by
human selection. But, back to topic: I think this video can go a long way in
convincing farmers that forest gardening is a much better way to steward the
land. I'm going to focus on how the whole cost structure of it changes too. No
more need to borrow tens of thousands of dollars to cover seed planting,
fertilizers, and -icides. We still have several feet of soil, even if it's
mostly dead. With good stewardship, we can have it living again soon.
> > >
> > > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information and much of
what my husband and I had been talking about.
> > > > Thanks, Olaf.
> > > > Wolf
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Thank you friends for suggesting watch this inspiring TV programme
and books to read.
Really uplifting.
Griselda


On 14 Mar 2009, at 09:46, ryborgryborg268 wrote:

> http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/1999-04-01/Lasagna-
> Gardening.aspx
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "ryborgryborg268" <cromlech108@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > wow! Mother Earth news! YIP!
> >
> > Take a look at these books:
> >
> > http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/
> >
> > ..incredible thesis and practical manual, groundbreaking. Get
> this from the library.
> >
> > ..and...
> >
> > Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener's
> Guide to Over 100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles by Eric
> Toensmeier. Easier than the previous volume - start with this book.
> Describes the 'sheet mulching' techinque very very well, and in a
> perennial vegetable/plants context. Read this and you'll want to
> enact this in any private or community garden.
> >
> > Both these books fit very well with the PFAF future ethos.
> >
> >
> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@> wrote:
> > >
> > > One of the things that my husband talked about was lasagna
> gardening. After seeing that video, I have to agree. Plus once we
> get our land, I intend to gather saplings from all over the US so
> that we will have a bit of everything and that there will be some
> species of trees and plants that will be saved from extinction.
> > > Wolf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: ryborgryborg268 <cromlech108@>
> > > Subject: [pfaf] Re: A farm for the Future, great documentary!
> > > To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:36 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > yep permaculture is definitly sound.
> > >
> > > Very good film.
> > >
> > > mmm, yes my species rich meadow at Brightling, east sussex, uk.
> - a seething mass of life, planted with standards of fruit and nut
> trees. I've just mulched with woodchips for weed supressant and
> moisture retention especially important in the first year of
> planting. Fertilised with seawead meal - potash for root
> development. Send me a message and I'll tell you where it is -
> check it out in late spring/summer. ..speshial part of the Weald.
> > >
> > > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "R. Dale Asberry" <bozomind@ .>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I live in Indiana, a very industrial agricultural area with
> all the corn, soybeans, hay, and wheat that's grown. Indiana used
> to be an old growth black walnut forest. Indiana black walnut wood
> was so prized that it was so overharvested in early America that
> the only trees that still grow here are diseased, stunted and
> contorted -- the beautiful trees having been de-evolved by human
> selection. But, back to topic: I think this video can go a long way
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> steward the land. I'm going to focus on how the whole cost
> structure of it changes too. No more need to borrow tens of
> thousands of dollars to cover seed planting, fertilizers, and -
> icides. We still have several feet of soil, even if it's mostly
> dead. With good stewardship, we can have it living again soon.
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> > > > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, Dee Harris <corbywolf13@ > wrote:
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> > > > > This was an eye-opener. It contained so much information
> and much of what my husband and I had been talking about.
> > > > > Thanks, Olaf.
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I have Edible Forest Gardens! Fantastic set of books... well worth the
investment.  I've also read the Mother Earth News lasagna gardening and have
started implementing it en-masse in my forest garden. Was trying to increase
organic matter in the soil by digging it up and mixing it with manure and peat. 
Lasagna is SO much easier.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "ryborgryborg268" <cromlech108@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/1999-04-01/Lasagna-Gardening.as\
px
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "ryborgryborg268" <cromlech108@> wrote:
> >
> > wow! Mother Earth news! YIP!
> >
> > Take a look at these books:
> >
> > http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/
> >
> > ..incredible thesis and practical manual, groundbreaking. Get this from the
library.
> >
> > ..and...
> >
> > Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener's Guide to
Over 100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles by Eric Toensmeier. Easier than the
previous volume - start with this book. Describes the 'sheet mulching' techinque
very very well, and in a perennial vegetable/plants context. Read this and
you'll want to enact this in any private or community garden.
> >
> > Both these books fit very well with the PFAF future ethos.
> >

Yes excellent presentation, entire forest gardening methodology even!
I would like to take some sort of practical course/apprenticeship in this
methodology...it really is difficult to pick it all up (in fact anything at
all!) from a book...certainly in terms of practical application in unique and
different situations of private and community land projets. I think it has huge
potential - especially when combined with the (essentially non christian)
religious or rather auspcious ritual, and natural magic setting/approach. They
do mention the garden of eden thing - but I really have found it much easier to
see it, to get actual real time magical results using non christian
paradigms..but then really Jackes etc were not talking literally about a
magically folded out 'garden of eden', but making something like that with a
scientifically correct approach (their breakthrough combine with previous
temperate forest gardening bookds I think its fair to say) - but as I say with
good action, in the right setting one can actually break through into non
material magically made reality (much easier I would say in non christian
senario)...but it surely helps to have it empirically right in the first place -
rather than Robert Harts 'intuition' (or as Jackes etc say, guesswork). (in
terms of relative plant placement).


He also makes some statement about 'theocracy watch' on the forest garden
homepage - presumably Islamic theocracy. One thing I do know as it goes: I would
be given huge respect in the Pashtun tribal areas for various reasons..but here,
here in the UK?! Worthless bunch of ****'s with no honour whatsoever. But there
you go. Different life experinces. Nothing can beat ritual child abuse for
evil..and thats a western thing and not Islam, wether fundimentalist Islam or
no. Sufism in a free range way whilst making a garden is something I would
ideally want to pursue, and this would, again be respected in Morrocco. A
Islamic theocracy, but not fundimentalist one. Think about it folks. This stuff
I have described on this list about real time magical shapeshift achived through
good works and transcendance of materiual karma (good pagan ritual also) is
actually real, and again, it is a consciousness that the current ruling order
seek to eliminate entirely from reality, by total and complete evil
means...think how sad that is for 'reality' to be reduced to a simple minding
material and idiotic psuedo 'christianity'. I really do feel that people need to
have this accurate 'anachist consciousness' regarding, well reality! - otherwise
one remains blagged and brain skanked by this order of scum that creates
illusions made from ritual abuse, thats the reality of the blag of masonic
paradigm 'christianity'/society..and thus the need for accurate perception of
mainstream western society if only to be able to correctly identify the root
cause of the problem (of abuse, exploitation and trashing of Mother Earth that
we are seeking to deal with in pursueing things like permaculture and forest
gardening etc).

  --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "R. Dale Asberry" <bozomind@...> wrote:
>
> I have Edible Forest Gardens! Fantastic set of books... well worth the
investment.  I've also read the Mother Earth News lasagna gardening and have
started implementing it en-masse in my forest garden. Was trying to increase
organic matter in the soil by digging it up and mixing it with manure and peat. 
Lasagna is SO much easier.
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "ryborgryborg268" <cromlech108@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/1999-04-01/Lasagna-Gardening.as\
px
> >
> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "ryborgryborg268" <cromlech108@> wrote:
> > >
> > > wow! Mother Earth news! YIP!
> > >
> > > Take a look at these books:
> > >
> > > http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/
> > >
> > > ..incredible thesis and practical manual, groundbreaking. Get this from
the library.
> > >
> > > ..and...
> > >
> > > Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener's Guide to
Over 100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles by Eric Toensmeier. Easier than the
previous volume - start with this book. Describes the 'sheet mulching' techinque
very very well, and in a perennial vegetable/plants context. Read this and
you'll want to enact this in any private or community garden.
> > >
> > > Both these books fit very well with the PFAF future ethos.
> > >
>

Hi

Looking for good potent cayenne (preferably organic heirloom) seeds. Any
suggestions for purchase?

Thanks - Joy

Hi Joy !

Cayenne:
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/alaCarth.asp?searchfor=Cayenne

Matt

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  Sent: 3/14/09 4:39 PM
  Subject: [pfaf] Cayenne

   Hi

  Looking for good potent cayenne (preferably organic heirloom) seeds. Any
suggestions for purchase?

  Thanks - Joy



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Prairie Moon:

http://www.prairiemoon.com/store/template/index.php?CNC=0PHPSESSID=92f7bb0daedf5\
52a4b2efb0a8d6e9363


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Steve <permalove@...> wrote:

> From: Steve <permalove@...>
> Subject: [pfaf] re: seed sources for root crops
> To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 1:16 PM
> Hi Jennifer,
>
> Sand Mountain Herbs in Alabama
> http://www.sandmountainherbs.com/index.html seems
> to have groundnuts..
> B & T World Seeds seems to have tuberous pea..
> Still looking for quamash/camas.
>
> Peace,
>
> Steve.
>
> --
> "Look beyond complexion and see community.."
> Maya Angelou
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Hi Joy,

I'm Steve in Bermuda.

I've gotten heirloom cayenne (and other) seeds from Baker Creek Heirloom
Seeds - a US company.  They have "long purple" and "long thin red"
cayenne  - http://rareseeds.com/seeds/Peppers-Hot

Also you may wish to look at Solana Seeds (Semences Solana) in Quebec,
Canada.  As the name suggests, they have an affinity for the Solanaceae
Family.  http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/welcome.html



Peace,

Steve.


--
"Look beyond complexion and see community.."
Maya Angelou


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Normally Sheffield seed us my 'go to' place for seed.

But they lack

Zanthoxylum beecheyanum
Zanthoxylum bungeanum
Lupinus albus
Lupinus albus graecus
Lupinus angustifolius
Pinus albicaulis
Pinus koraiensis
Pinus monophylla

And badgersett research doesn't seem to carry

Corylus avellana pontica

And I've not found 'resonable' prices for them.
Suggestions on sourcing?