I don't know why I am thinking it might be a persimmon, but if you took a
picture, that might help some people with experience with wild fruits.


--
Charlotte
www.IonWays.com/Liphart


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Hallo Jayabuddhi

I asked my friends about this and had two replies:

One is to contact  www.perrycourtfarm.com        which is part of the
Steiner School programme.

The other confirms someone else's suggestion....          www.wwoof.org
     Organic farmers invite interested people to work on their farms as
volunteers for an agreed amount of time (very varied). They'll be given
food, lodging experience and have a great time with like-minded
people. Wwoofers are often young youngsters in their gap year but older
people - eg who've retired from city lives - are now getting stuck in
too. We know several people (incl. 2 of Jerome's sons) who've worked on
an organic vineyard in Italy for a few summer/early autumn weeks and
learned so much - not least about Italian cooking. The other volunteers
have travelled from right round the world, some with farming
experience, some not.

I hope this is of some use,

Griselda


On 3 Oct 2008, at 15:45, Jayabuddhi Amarasinghe wrote:

> I am 58 years old Farmer from Sri Lanka having very keen interest in
> organic farming . I have a small farm too. I would like to get foreign
> training in organic farming for a short period to improve my family
> farm . Still I am in good health and I can work well . I can look
> after my travel expenses. If anybody like to help me its a great help
> to my family and my country too.
>  Jayabuddhi amarasinghe
>
>  ----- Original Message ----
>  From: vic_doyle <vic_doyle@...>
>  To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 16:14:53
>  Subject: [pfaf] Re: Grow an apple tree from seed
>
>  I woul;d very much like to hear from anyone who has experience of
>  apple tree cuttings grafted onto aother stock such as ROWAN which
>  grow in massive abundance on the hills where I live (Due to the
>  collapse of hillside sheep farming), The sheep would nip anything
>  that grows and now they don't the Rowan is regenerating faster than
>  anything else, would'nt it be superb if they could be grafted and
>  become food producing, also I believe that it would be in the coming
>  months that thjis would happen. Any ideas out there?
>
>  --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "Jack P. Brooks" <jackpbrooks@ ...>
> wrote:
>  >
>  > I don't know about apple, but I've started many orange, lemon and
>  grapefruit plants from the seed of the fruit bough from my local
>  grocery store. The trick I learned was to soak the seeds in water for
>  24 hours to get rid of all the acid and then just plant them in clay
>  pots, I find all my plants do much better in clay.
>  >
>  >
>  > I'd risk all to be remembered as "humbly and honourably correct".
>  God forbid, never as politically correct!
>  >
>  >
>  > God Bless!
>  >
>  > Jack P. Brooks
>  > http://www.angelfir e.com/me2/ whynot
>  >
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  >
>
>  New Email names for you!
>  Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and
> @rocketmail.
>  Hurry before someone else does!
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Hi Charlotte

I'll try tomorrow. It's not a persimmon, though. We have those also and
they are much bigger.
The locals call it zizula. Googling that isn't much help though as the
name is more commonly used for a type of butterfly.

Cheers

Peter



The message <cdce5c9f0810091332i352b35fdkdd8600a6276a16e8@...>
from "charfair fairchar" <FertilityFair@...> contains these words:

> I don't know why I am thinking it might be a persimmon, but if you took a
> picture, that might help some people with experience with wild fruits.


> --
> Charlotte
> www.IonWays.com/Liphart

The fruit you describe might be from Ziziphus spina-christi

The message <401636.85357.qm@...>
from Erez Gur <erez_00@...> contains these words:

> The fruit you describe might be from Ziziphus spina-christi

You might be right!  Fascinating! I googled it and came up with all
sorts of information. I'm going to find one growing and cross check it
all.

Incidentally, one lead I followed came up with
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/
I hadn't heard of these people before. They have interesting lists.

Cheers

Peter

> The locals call it zizula. Googling that isn't much help though as
the name is more commonly used for a type of butterfly.

Hm, could it be Zizyphus (jujube)? Look at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ziziphus_zizyphus . I googled for
"zizula fruit -butterfly Istria" and the first match says:

"Zizula
.i.ula, Zizyphus jujube, or jujube, growing wild and requiring no
special care, is greatly appreciated by people living in the Zadar and
Šibenik areas. It would probably be just as popular among tourists,
except for the fact that it arrives on the markets after the summer
season, and almost the entire crop is consumed fresh, thus giving
diligent housewives no opportunity to turn them into a more permanent
preserve, such as jam. In Istria the fruit are immersed in rakia, with
the addition of a small amount of sugar, and left for two weeks in the
sun, a process which transforms the rakia into a delicious liqueur."


Maarten

Hi everybody
For my permaculture garden,i'm planning to plant lots of useful weeds
edible perennials and self-seeding annuals. does anybody know where to
get seeds for plants like:

perennial buckwheat
fat hen
ground elder
wild oats
spelt
and many more

  many thanks  cheerio guenther

The message <gcoliu+7f4t@eGroups.com>
from "maartendeprez" <maarten.deprez@...> contains these words:

> > The locals call it zizula. Googling that isn't much help though as
> the name is more commonly used for a type of butterfly.

> Hm, could it be Zizyphus (jujube)? Look at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ziziphus_zizyphus . I googled for
> "zizula fruit -butterfly Istria" and the first match says:

> "Zizula
> .i.ula, Zizyphus jujube, or jujube, growing wild and requiring no
> special care, is greatly appreciated by people living in the Zadar and
> Šibenik areas. It would probably be just as popular among tourists,
> except for the fact that it arrives on the markets after the summer
> season, and almost the entire crop is consumed fresh, thus giving
> diligent housewives no opportunity to turn them into a more permanent
> preserve, such as jam. In Istria the fruit are immersed in rakia, with
> the addition of a small amount of sugar, and left for two weeks in the
> sun, a process which transforms the rakia into a delicious liqueur."


> Maarten

Hi Maarten

I think you have it exactly. I must have put it badly into Google as I
didn't get this. I have a jar of the rakija that I was given a couple of
years ago and haven't yet opened. I'd always assumed they were nuts in
it, as they do with honey. I hadn't made the connection with this week's
fruit.

I must check now on the actual tree, to see if the other suggestion of
Christ's Thorn is something else, or if the two are the same thing.

Kindest regards

Peter

> I think you have it exactly. I must have put it badly into Google as I
> didn't get this.

The point is, i added "-butterfly" so it won't show any page having
"butterfly" in it, and "fruit" to make it even more specific. It is
often useful to experiment a bit.


I think this jujube is the kind of fruit i bought at a Chinese
supermarket and used in fruit Kefir. They have them dried or smoked.
Smoked gives, not surprizingly, a smoky flavour, with i somewhat odd
in Kefir, but can be nice with rice or so.

Never got a seed from the store-bought fruits to germinate though. I
can't remember if i used the smoked ones (probably not good) or the
other. They may need a knife to speed up germination. Good look
identifying the trees!


Maarten

Thankyou all for responding in interest to the Biodynamic study I am
doing.
Please email me at vic_doyle@... and I'll send you the mini
report I have compiled.

Please send your comments back to me within a week.

Please credit this information as Victor Doyle's LYDIA theory.

Many Thanks

Vic

Hello!

Great, I would love to read your mini report!

Ossi Kakko
ossi@...

> Thankyou all for responding in interest to the Biodynamic study I am
> doing.
> Please email me at vic_doyle@... and I'll send you the mini
> report I have compiled.
>
> Please send your comments back to me within a week.
>
> Please credit this information as Victor Doyle's LYDIA theory.
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Vic
>
>

You could try these lovely people:

http://microsites.theguidlife.net/tlc/home/page

Ludwig

Jayabuddhi Amarasinghe wrote:
> I am 58 years old Farmer from Sri Lanka  having very  keen interest in organic
farming . I  have  a small farm too.  I would like to get foreign training in
organic farming for a short period to improve my family farm . Still I am in
good health and I can work well . I can look after my travel expenses. If
anybody like to help me its a great help to my family and my country too.
> Jayabuddhi amarasinghe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: vic_doyle <vic_doyle@...>
> To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 16:14:53
> Subject: [pfaf] Re: Grow an apple tree from seed
>
>
> I woul;d very much like to hear from anyone who has experience of
> apple tree cuttings grafted onto aother stock such as ROWAN which
> grow in massive abundance on the hills where I live (Due to the
> collapse of hillside sheep farming), The sheep would nip anything
> that grows and now they don't the Rowan is regenerating faster than
> anything else, would'nt it be superb if they could be grafted and
> become food producing, also I believe that it would be in the coming
> months that thjis would happen. Any ideas out there?
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "Jack P. Brooks" <jackpbrooks@ ...> wrote:
>
>> I don't know about apple, but I've started many orange, lemon and
>>
> grapefruit plants from the seed of the fruit bough from my local
> grocery store. The trick I learned was to soak the seeds in water for
> 24 hours to get rid of all the acid and then just plant them in clay
> pots, I find all my plants do much better in clay.
>
>> I'd risk all to be remembered as "humbly and honourably correct".
>>
> God forbid, never as politically correct!
>
>> God Bless!
>>
>> Jack P. Brooks
>> http://www.angelfir e.com/me2/ whynot
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>       New Email names for you!
> Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
> Hurry before someone else does!
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vic_doyle@...

--- On Sun, 12/10/08, ossi <ossi@...> wrote:

From: ossi <ossi@...>
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Re: Biodynamics
To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 8:52 PM






Hello!

Great, I would love to read your mini report!

Ossi Kakko
ossi@...

> Thankyou all for responding in interest to the Biodynamic study I am
> doing.
> Please email me at vic_doyle@yahoo. co.uk and I'll send you the mini
> report I have compiled.
>
> Please send your comments back to me within a week.
>
> Please credit this information as Victor Doyle's LYDIA theory.
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Vic
>
>


















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Dear all,

Do you know when the FIRST book on fruits was written?

If not, then see this weeks FRUIT FACT in Fruitipedia.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com

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--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "vic_doyle" <vic_doyle@...> wrote:
>
> Thankyou all for responding in interest to the Biodynamic study I am
> doing.
> Please email me at vic_doyle@... and I'll send you the mini
> report I have compiled.
>
> Please send your comments back to me within a week.
>
> Please credit this information as Victor Doyle's LYDIA theory.
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Vic
>
Dear Vic
I m organic farmer from Sri Lanka . Please send me your Mini Report .
Because I have very keen interest in organic farming . and also I am
looking for a practical work study  program me

Hi Karen, and sorry for the late reply.  (sorry also if this is redundant.)

I know you said you didn't want to buy expensive plants, but aloe does
reproduce via sucker-like offshoots (I call them babies; others call them
pups, and so on) which grow out from the base, and you could propagate
almost unlimited plants over a period of time.  You're better off growing
them on your own no matter what they cost, because Aloe needs fairly little
input and reproduces when it reaches maturity - this is more or less free.
You could buy 4 small plants in a nursery and have 30 or more that size in
18 months (along with your 4 adults).
This would be a big batch of clones, though, and so I can understand you
wanting to introduce diverse seed.
PFAF's data says producing seed in the UK is highly unlikely.

As for seeds, I can tell you that Horizon Herbs of Williams, Oregon has
seeds for Cape Aloe (Aloe ferox), which is high in medicinally desirable
constituents.  Horizon is a great company, and are organic
and permaculturally oriented.  They ship internationally.
After a quick search on Google for Aloe vera seeds, I found this:
http://www.backyardgardener.com/seeds/product/2753/1.html
http://www.tmseeds.com/product/2753.html                                -
you will see that these two sites are linked, both selling the same product.

http://www.beautyfeast.com/aloevera/Suppliers-Aloe-Vera-Seeds.htm
http://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/aloe-vera-seeds.html                    -
these two seem like they have similar links.

http://davesgarden.com/community/trading/search.php?search_text=PFPID:1367
This is promising for you.. you're in the UK, right?  This guy (James Park -
he's about the 10th one down on the list) lives in Plymouth and says he's
got Aloe to trade - of course the only thing he seems to want is a palm, but
maybe you can sweet-talk him..  He looks to be the only one on the list from
the UK - though there is one on there from Tenerife, Spain.

Anyhow, I'm sure there are other sites (usually what happens is someone
reads an email like this and writes in to say "Hey! Don't go to THAT site,
here's a much better one.." etc etc).

I advise you to do as much research as you need to in order to be certain
you are ordering from a reliable source.

All the best,

Steve.


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https://post.craigslist.org/manage/825436856/zv56e/
It has finished blooming. Could I have seeds? Many babies or pups come up
from this plant.

I think the soil and the pot are worth $30.00, so I know I am not
overpricing the plant.

--
Charlotte
www.IonWays.com/Liphart


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Here's a fantastic resource - http://www.wwoof.org


What is WWOOF?

WWOOF is a world wide network - It started in the UK in 1971 and has
since become an international movement that is helping people share
more sustainable ways of living.

WWOOF is an exchange - In return for volunteer help, WWOOF hosts offer
food, accommodation and opportunities to learn about organic lifestyles.

WWOOF organisations link people who want to volunteer on organic farms
or smallholdings with people who are looking for volunteer help.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Ludd <the_pooh_way@...> wrote:
>
> You could try these lovely people:
>
> http://microsites.theguidlife.net/tlc/home/page
>
> Ludwig
>
> Jayabuddhi Amarasinghe wrote:
> > I am 58 years old Farmer from Sri Lanka  having very  keen
interest in organic farming . I  have  a small farm too.  I would like
to get foreign training in organic farming for a short period to
improve my family farm . Still I am in good health and I can work well
. I can look after my travel expenses. If anybody like to help me its
a great help to my family and my country too.
> > Jayabuddhi amarasinghe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: vic_doyle <vic_doyle@...>
> > To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 16:14:53
> > Subject: [pfaf] Re: Grow an apple tree from seed
> >
> >
> > I woul;d very much like to hear from anyone who has experience of
> > apple tree cuttings grafted onto aother stock such as ROWAN which
> > grow in massive abundance on the hills where I live (Due to the
> > collapse of hillside sheep farming), The sheep would nip anything
> > that grows and now they don't the Rowan is regenerating faster than
> > anything else, would'nt it be superb if they could be grafted and
> > become food producing, also I believe that it would be in the coming
> > months that thjis would happen. Any ideas out there?
> >
> > --- In pfaf@yahoogroups. com, "Jack P. Brooks" <jackpbrooks@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know about apple, but I've started many orange, lemon and
> >>
> > grapefruit plants from the seed of the fruit bough from my local
> > grocery store. The trick I learned was to soak the seeds in water for
> > 24 hours to get rid of all the acid and then just plant them in clay
> > pots, I find all my plants do much better in clay.
> >
> >> I'd risk all to be remembered as "humbly and honourably correct".
> >>
> > God forbid, never as politically correct!
> >
> >> God Bless!
> >>
> >> Jack P. Brooks
> >> http://www.angelfir e.com/me2/ whynot
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       New Email names for you!
> > Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and
@rocketmail.
> > Hurry before someone else does!
> > http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>

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Dear all,

Do you know which is the most tasty fruit in the world?  They say it is not
mangosteen as believed commonly.  This is a very insignificant fruit not coming
to market.

For answer, see this week's Fruit Fact in Fruitipedia.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com

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Hi I am looking to establish a forest/orchard/garden.

I am interested in getting hold of almost any perennial food crops. I
am particularly interested in

Staples
http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/staples.php

and root crops

Root crops
http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/altroots.php

If anyone has any seeds they could post I would be happy to make an
appropriate donation to you/PFAF.

Kind regards

Sam

http://www.permablitz.net/content/view/1/27/

"Permablitz: An informal gathering involving a day on which a group of
at least two people come together to achieve the following:

     * create or add to edible gardens where someone lives
     * share skills related to permaculture and sustainable living
     * build community networks
     * have fun

For more background on Permablitz see Asha Bee's article originally
published on Energy Bulletin and Katherine Kizilos' article for
Melbourne's The Age newspaper . To learn more about permaculture see
permaculture as defined in wikipedia."

Im wondering if any one has eaten Gingko fruits.
they are pretty astringent, and smell funny
(smells lke  crayons, and somthing else),
but Im sure they  could be , cooked, mixxed, baked, sugar added to
taste better.
I have other questions, for later on!

http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/ginkgo.php

I can supply you the seeds of wild growing fruits.  Please check  at Fruitipedia
the list of available seeds.

If possibl;e, write me some details of your project.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ozzysamuk
   To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:04 AM
   Subject: [pfaf] Perennial seeds wanted - donation availible


   Hi I am looking to establish a forest/orchard/garden.

   I am interested in getting hold of almost any perennial food crops. I
   am particularly interested in

   Staples
   http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/staples.php

   and root crops

   Root crops
   http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/altroots.php

   If anyone has any seeds they could post I would be happy to make an
   appropriate donation to you/PFAF.

   Kind regards

   Sam





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Technically
Ginkgo as a "Naked seeded" does not have fruit,  and the "arillus" around
the seed is not reckoned as edible.
The seed kernel is sold and eaten in China - Beijing,
it did not pleasure my taste buttons,
but of course as you mention, you might prepare them in one or another way..

Geir Flatabø

2008/10/21 manofpeace32 <manofpeace32@...>

> Im wondering if any one has eaten Gingko fruits.
> they are pretty astringent, and smell funny
> (smells lke  crayons, and somthing else),
> but Im sure they  could be , cooked, mixxed, baked, sugar added to
> taste better.
> I have other questions, for later on!
>
> http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/ginkgo.php
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Hmm, I knew the "arillus" from literature as edible. And I say it is.
The taste is hard to describe ... somehow interesting....They are said
to smell very awfully when they rot on the ground. Thats why mostly
male individuums are sold. I like the leafs also dried and than a tea
from them!
greetings from KLaus


Zitat von Geir Flatabø <geirf@...>:

> Technically
> Ginkgo as a "Naked seeded" does not have fruit,  and the "arillus" around
> the seed is not reckoned as edible.
> The seed kernel is sold and eaten in China - Beijing,
> it did not pleasure my taste buttons,
> but of course as you mention, you might prepare them in one or another way..
>
> Geir Flatabø
>
> 2008/10/21 manofpeace32 <manofpeace32@...>
>
>> Im wondering if any one has eaten Gingko fruits.
>> they are pretty astringent, and smell funny
>> (smells lke  crayons, and somthing else),
>> but Im sure they  could be , cooked, mixxed, baked, sugar added to
>> taste better.
>> I have other questions, for later on!
>>
>> http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/ginkgo.php
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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> The seed kernel is sold and eaten in China - Beijing,

It's even sold in Chinese supermarket here in the Netherlands!

Maarten

List of varieties of nut seed planted 2007/8 season:

Location: outside and in cold greenhouse in Kent, UK.

RESULTS 22/10/08


From Grimo Nuts:(all outside)

Persian Walnut, var. Broadview and Combe - Broadview good, Combe
v.good
Heartnut, var. Campbell CW3, Good
Buartnut - Not sprouted yet, seed intact
Black Walnut, var. Potsdam - Good
Hican, var. Burton - Good
Shellbark Hickory - Good
Shagbark Hickory, var. Neilson, V.good


Schumachers: (outside)

Pecan (improved) variety Burkett - V.good


Sandeman: (cold greenhouse)

Quercus ilex Ballota - Nothing, rotted, probably soil too moist


Forestart (cold greenhouse)

Monkey Puzzle - OK

Pineus Pinea - V.good


Almonds and pecans from Christmas nut packs - Almonds ok, rest poor

Heartnuts from previous year (unsprouted in Sacks of leaf mold) -
still nothing

Lots of native oak - Ok

Following all in cold greenhouse:

Best Sweet Chestnuts from Pembury - Nothing, rotted, soil too moist
probably

Walnuts from farm shop at Pembury - Nothing

Sweet Chestnuts from ART both directly from Riverford Farm Shop -
Nothing, rotted, soil too moist.


The sweet chestnuts and Quercus Ilex Ballota were planted early,
before Christmas...and stupidly the soil was too moist and the seed
rotted before the warmer weather arrived to start growth. (annoying
waste of time and seed)... So next time I'll use much drier compost
with the stuff I plant early. Grimo seed was planted late probably
fortunatly due to it being sent from the USA by surface mail rather
than airmail.  The stuff from Grimo has done really well. Buartnuts
from Schmachers I seem to recall from previous years was consistantly
large nuts and germinated ok. I would appreciate any suggestings for
other nut species and best sources for this region by the way.

Time to put that seed order in folks!!!

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "cromlech108" <cromlech108@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone ESPECIALLY TEMPERATE NUT GROWERS LOOK!
>
> The seasons well advanced now here in the UK, everything lush and
> green. I thought I'd post up which varieties of nut seeds I've
planted
> this year, - and where its sourced from. The broadleaves have been
> planted in the feartliser/compost etc plastic sacks cut down and
> filled with compost/leafmold. The bottoms of sacks are puntured to
> give drainage and placed out of reach of the nut growers menace -
the
> introduced to the UK, american grey (and now black mutated)
squirrel.
> The Pecans were planted in large plastic pots. All containers are
> labelled.
>
> I would recommend that you get air mail delivery rather than surface
> mail if required because you'll be waiting...and waiting..and
waiting
> otherwise. Remember that many varities need cold stratification of
up
> to 90 days. In terms of 'Exotics' (here in the UK), some years they
> seem to sprout well, other years nothing. (i.e. Butternuts,
Heartnuts,
> Buartnuts, Pecans, Walnuts, Hickorys etc.
> I seem not to have got any Butternuts this year - Ernie Grimo must
> have been out of them. I have a few growing from 2 years ago that
are
> to planted out this winter in my East Sussex nut grove.
>
>
>
> Seed placed outside in cold and shady in winter, closed off side
> passage that the grey squirrels don't seem to have sussed, this
seems
> to provide the required cold startification:
>
>
> From Grimo Nuts, a sound supplier at $10/lb:
>
> Persian Walnut, var. Broadview and Combe - good germination
> Heartnut, var. Campbell CW3
> Buartnut
> Black Walnut, var. Potsdam - good germination
> Hican, var. Burton
> Shellbark Hickory
> Shagbark Hickory, var. Neilson
>
>
> Schumachers:
>
> Pecan improved (variety Burkett) - The best Pecan in terms of
> germination and nut size I've seen so far. (these were cold
stratified
> for 90 days in the fridge and have just been planted - some were
> splitting openwhen planted)
> Oh I got some very nice large consistantly sized Buartnuts (hybrids
of
> Butternuts and Heartnuts) from Schumachers last year, but the seed
was
> eaten I think  :(
>
>
> In The Greenhouse:
>
> Sandeman:
>
> Quercus ilex Ballota - The largest were selected from the seedpack.
> The rest were tainted with creosote and planted out in an abandoned
> Orchard, plus on or two carefully selected areas of freshly felled
> conifers on Forestry Commission estate near where I have a cottage
on
> Anglesey. Thats a whole story actually! I also planted small trees
of
> pecan, walnut and chestnut etc etc on this site. I removed some
samll
> conifers that were there previously. Guess what happened next? I got
> 'raided' by North Wales Police, including the Countryside Council
for
> Wales specialist wildlife cop... and even 2 camera people from the
BBC
> who were doing a film on wildlife crime in Wales. (look out for the
> show - a silent geezer with dreads being lead away to a waiting cop
> car). There are 600 acres of conifers up there. Craig Shuttleworth
of
> the Anglesey Red Squirrel Project thinks there should be even more.
He
> fitted me up badly! Luckily the cops were actually impressed I think
> with what I was actually doing and no charges under the wildlife and
> countryside act (damaging the habitate of an endangered species -
the
> Red Squirrel) were filed.) I was just  formally cautioned for
criminal
> damage. Anyone know this guy Craig Shuttleworth? - try and get him
to
> back off please. We'll be appreciative of those nut trees in the
> future...and he keep trying to plant more f'ing conifers where the
nut
> trees have been planted. Most of the forest should be native
greenwood
> , plus areas of nutting and fruiting trees. The era of
coniferistaion
> is over. Red Squirrels are native animals who like a native tree
cover
> the best. Grey squirrels have been eliminated from Anglesey, so
> competition from this species is not an issue.
>
>
> Forestart:
>
> Monkey Puzzle - good but slightly slow germination
>
> Pineus Pinea - good germination (cold stratified for 28 days in sand
> in fridge, other people say plant instantly after 2 days soak in
water)
>
>
> Also:
>
> Almonds (good quick germination) and pecans from Christmas nut packs
>
> Heartnuts from previous year (unsprouted in Sacks of leaf mold)
>
> Lots of the special native oak from different areas and different
> trees. Good germination. Blessed be!
>
> Best selected local Sweet Chestnuts from Pembury
>
> Walnuts from local farm shop at Pembury
>
> Sweet Chestnuts from the legendary Agroforestry Research Trust, both
> directly and from Riverford Farm Shop
>
>
> I've heard the cherries from good trees can be germinated by just
> leaving them on the surface of the soil in pots.

Don't forget to check out the germination method I use (see below) -
its ideal for restricted space locations who can't or don't want to
construct large nursery beds...as long as you get the soil dampness
right, and plant around the right time of year, say New Year for
everything apart from exotic oaks and chestnuts which are soft
skinned and rot easily and can be planted a month or two later
depending on location, weather etc. If they are in a greenhouse,
spring in this microclimate will be early of course.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <cromlech108@...> wrote:
>
> List of varieties of nut seed planted 2007/8 season:
>
> Location: outside and in cold greenhouse in Kent, UK.
>
> RESULTS 22/10/08
>
>
> From Grimo Nuts:(all outside)
>
> Persian Walnut, var. Broadview and Combe - Broadview good, Combe
> v.good
> Heartnut, var. Campbell CW3, Good
> Buartnut - Not sprouted yet, seed intact
> Black Walnut, var. Potsdam - Good
> Hican, var. Burton - Good
> Shellbark Hickory - Good
> Shagbark Hickory, var. Neilson, V.good
>
>
> Schumachers: (outside)
>
> Pecan (improved) variety Burkett - V.good
>
>
> Sandeman: (cold greenhouse)
>
> Quercus ilex Ballota - Nothing, rotted, probably soil too moist
>
>
> Forestart (cold greenhouse)
>
> Monkey Puzzle - OK
>
> Pineus Pinea - V.good
>
>
> Almonds and pecans from Christmas nut packs - Almonds ok, rest poor
>
> Heartnuts from previous year (unsprouted in Sacks of leaf mold) -
> still nothing
>
> Lots of native oak - Ok
>
> Following all in cold greenhouse:
>
> Best Sweet Chestnuts from Pembury - Nothing, rotted, soil too moist
> probably
>
> Walnuts from farm shop at Pembury - Nothing
>
> Sweet Chestnuts from ART both directly from Riverford Farm Shop -
> Nothing, rotted, soil too moist.
>
>
> The sweet chestnuts and Quercus Ilex Ballota were planted early,
> before Christmas...and stupidly the soil was too moist and the seed
> rotted before the warmer weather arrived to start growth. (annoying
> waste of time and seed)... So next time I'll use much drier compost
> with the stuff I plant early. Grimo seed was planted late probably
> fortunatly due to it being sent from the USA by surface mail rather
> than airmail.  The stuff from Grimo has done really well. Buartnuts
> from Schmachers I seem to recall from previous years was
consistantly
> large nuts and germinated ok. I would appreciate any suggestings
for
> other nut species and best sources for this region by the way.
>
> Time to put that seed order in folks!!!
>
> --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "cromlech108" <cromlech108@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone ESPECIALLY TEMPERATE NUT GROWERS LOOK!
> >
> > The seasons well advanced now here in the UK, everything lush and
> > green. I thought I'd post up which varieties of nut seeds I've
> planted
> > this year, - and where its sourced from. The broadleaves have been
> > planted in the feartliser/compost etc plastic sacks cut down and
> > filled with compost/leafmold. The bottoms of sacks are puntured to
> > give drainage and placed out of reach of the nut growers menace -
> the
> > introduced to the UK, american grey (and now black mutated)
> squirrel.
> > The Pecans were planted in large plastic pots. All containers are
> > labelled.
> >
> > I would recommend that you get air mail delivery rather than
surface
> > mail if required because you'll be waiting...and waiting..and
> waiting
> > otherwise. Remember that many varities need cold stratification
of
> up
> > to 90 days. In terms of 'Exotics' (here in the UK), some years
they
> > seem to sprout well, other years nothing. (i.e. Butternuts,
> Heartnuts,
> > Buartnuts, Pecans, Walnuts, Hickorys etc.
> > I seem not to have got any Butternuts this year - Ernie Grimo must
> > have been out of them. I have a few growing from 2 years ago that
> are
> > to planted out this winter in my East Sussex nut grove.
> >
> >
> >
> > Seed placed outside in cold and shady in winter, closed off side
> > passage that the grey squirrels don't seem to have sussed, this
> seems
> > to provide the required cold startification:
> >
> >
> > From Grimo Nuts, a sound supplier at $10/lb:
> >
> > Persian Walnut, var. Broadview and Combe - good germination
> > Heartnut, var. Campbell CW3
> > Buartnut
> > Black Walnut, var. Potsdam - good germination
> > Hican, var. Burton
> > Shellbark Hickory
> > Shagbark Hickory, var. Neilson
> >
> >
> > Schumachers:
> >
> > Pecan improved (variety Burkett) - The best Pecan in terms of
> > germination and nut size I've seen so far. (these were cold
> stratified
> > for 90 days in the fridge and have just been planted - some were
> > splitting openwhen planted)
> > Oh I got some very nice large consistantly sized Buartnuts
(hybrids
> of
> > Butternuts and Heartnuts) from Schumachers last year, but the
seed
> was
> > eaten I think  :(
> >
> >
> > In The Greenhouse:
> >
> > Sandeman:
> >
> > Quercus ilex Ballota - The largest were selected from the
seedpack.
> > The rest were tainted with creosote and planted out in an
abandoned
> > Orchard, plus on or two carefully selected areas of freshly felled
> > conifers on Forestry Commission estate near where I have a
cottage
> on
> > Anglesey. Thats a whole story actually! I also planted small
trees
> of
> > pecan, walnut and chestnut etc etc on this site. I removed some
> samll
> > conifers that were there previously. Guess what happened next? I
got
> > 'raided' by North Wales Police, including the Countryside Council
> for
> > Wales specialist wildlife cop... and even 2 camera people from
the
> BBC
> > who were doing a film on wildlife crime in Wales. (look out for
the
> > show - a silent geezer with dreads being lead away to a waiting
cop
> > car). There are 600 acres of conifers up there. Craig
Shuttleworth
> of
> > the Anglesey Red Squirrel Project thinks there should be even
more.
> He
> > fitted me up badly! Luckily the cops were actually impressed I
think
> > with what I was actually doing and no charges under the wildlife
and
> > countryside act (damaging the habitate of an endangered species -
> the
> > Red Squirrel) were filed.) I was just  formally cautioned for
> criminal
> > damage. Anyone know this guy Craig Shuttleworth? - try and get
him
> to
> > back off please. We'll be appreciative of those nut trees in the
> > future...and he keep trying to plant more f'ing conifers where
the
> nut
> > trees have been planted. Most of the forest should be native
> greenwood
> > , plus areas of nutting and fruiting trees. The era of
> coniferistaion
> > is over. Red Squirrels are native animals who like a native tree
> cover
> > the best. Grey squirrels have been eliminated from Anglesey, so
> > competition from this species is not an issue.
> >
> >
> > Forestart:
> >
> > Monkey Puzzle - good but slightly slow germination
> >
> > Pineus Pinea - good germination (cold stratified for 28 days in
sand
> > in fridge, other people say plant instantly after 2 days soak in
> water)
> >
> >
> > Also:
> >
> > Almonds (good quick germination) and pecans from Christmas nut
packs
> >
> > Heartnuts from previous year (unsprouted in Sacks of leaf mold)
> >
> > Lots of the special native oak from different areas and different
> > trees. Good germination. Blessed be!
> >
> > Best selected local Sweet Chestnuts from Pembury
> >
> > Walnuts from local farm shop at Pembury
> >
> > Sweet Chestnuts from the legendary Agroforestry Research Trust,
both
> > directly and from Riverford Farm Shop
> >
> >
> > I've heard the cherries from good trees can be germinated by just
> > leaving them on the surface of the soil in pots.
>