Dear Brenda,
> I need to find out which varieties of common fruits and vegetables
> became extinct during the twentieth century, and some possible reasons
> for this. I read recently that around 97% of varieties have
> disappeared. Is this accurate?

I'm afraid I don't know myself. However I'm passing the message onto
the PFAF electronic mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf
hopefully someone there might be able to help.

	 All the best

		 Rich

--
Plants for a Future: 7000 useful plants
Web:   http://www.pfaf.org/ same as http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/
Post:  1 Lerryn View, Lerryn, Lostwithiel, Cornwall, PL22 0QJ
Tel:  01208 872 963 / 0845 458 4719
Email: webmaster@...
PFAF electronic mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf

Rich, I don't know the answer, but I would be interested in learning what those numbers are. Thanks for asking a very interesting question. David

 Richard Morris <webmaster@...> wrote:

Dear Brenda,
> I need to find out which varieties of common fruits and vegetables
> became extinct during the twentieth century, and some possible reasons
> for this. I read recently that around 97% of varieties have
> disappeared. Is this accurate?

I'm afraid I don't know myself. However I'm passing the message onto
the PFAF electronic mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf
hopefully someone there might be able to help.

      All the best

            Rich

--
Plants for a Future: 7000 useful plants
Web:   http://www.pfaf.org/ same as http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/
Post:  1 Lerryn View, Lerryn, Lostwithiel, Cornwall, PL22 0QJ
Tel:      01208 872 963 / 0845 458 4719     
Email: webmaster@...
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The Grand Plants For A Future Spring Clean

Spring is here and more planning fun is just round the corner, so its
time to give the Devon site a through spring clean and tidy. To help
this process along we've organized a number of spring clean weeks in the
coming months:

	 Tues 1st April - Mon 6th April
	 Fri 25th April - Wed 2nd May
	 Fri 9th May    - Mon 19th May

Those who have visited the site will know that there are a large number
of old caravans, piles of hard-core and various tat on site. The weeks
will centre around dismantling these and general cleaning and tidy of
the site. Other activities will include constructing screening, building
a new section of hedge and maintaining the beds. Addressing health and
safety issues will also be a central part of the clean up. We also hope
to have all the piles of concrete crushed and levelled to make our car
park and driveway before the start of the first weekend.

By the end of the period we hope to have the Blagdon site looking really
tidy so that visitors will be able to concentrate on the demonstration
gardens, woodlands and wildlife areas and better communicate the message
of Plants For A Future.

The nature of the work will be pretty physical and we hope to attract
people who can get on with the job with little supervision. Communal
vegan food will be prepared and there is plenty of space for camping and
a little covered accommodation. If anyone has a good onsite vehicle or
is skilled in driving JCB's they will be especially welcome. There will
be ample time to learn about the work of Plants For A Future; explore
the 84 acres of grassland and woodland; and relax and chat in the
evenings.

If you are interested in attending any of these weeks then please ring
01208 872 963 or 07813 067 250, email webmaster@... or write to the
above address.

Working Weekends At The Field

A number of weekends are planed at Plants For A Future's original site
"The Field" in Cornwall. This is in a much more developed site and is
well on its way to becoming a forest garden with good tree cover. The
weekends will be on the 24-26th May, 7-8 June and 28-29 June. The
weekend will feature many plant based activities, and give you a rare
opportunity to see the site and enjoy the local countryside and tidal
creek. There is camping accommodation, and very basic cooking
facilities. For more information on these weekends please ring Addy on
01208 873 554.

Plant Orders

We have now established links with a couple of groups who can supply
several of PFAF style plants. These are:

Wildwood Nurseries
Lower Manor Cottage
Thornbury
Holsworthy, Devon
EX22 7DD
Tel/Fax: 01409 261324 - Email: lorna@...
Plants Available:

Abutilon vitifolium - Indian mallow; Agrostemma githago - corncockle;
Ajuga reptans - bugle; Alchemilla mollis - lady's mantle; Allium
neopolitanum - daffodil garlic; Allium sativum - serpent garlic; Allium
schoenoprasum - chives; Allium tuberosum - garlic chives; Allium ursinum
- wild garlic, ransoms; Alnus glutinosa - alder; Amelanchier canadensis
- Juneberry; Aquilegia vulgaris - granny's bonnet, columbine; Arctium
lappa - burdock; Arum maculatum/italicum - lords and ladies, cuckoo
pint*; Arundaria japonica (Bambusa metake) - bamboo ; Buddleia davidii -
butterfly bush; Caltha palustris - marsh marigold; Campanula
rotundifolia - harebell; Cardamine pratensis - lady's smock; Carex
pendula - pendulous sedge*; Centaurea scabiosa - greater knapweed;
Chamaemelum nobile - chamomile; Chrysanthemum parthenium - feverfew;
Convallaria majalis - lily of the valley; Cornus sanguinea - dogwood;
Crocosmia crocosmiiflora - monbretia; Digitalis purpurea - foxglove;
Dipsacus fullonum - teasel; Dryopteris felix-mas - male fern ; Echium
vulgare - viper's bugloss; Euphorbia amygloides - wood spurge; Fagopyrum
dibotrys - perennial buckwheat; Fagus sylvatica - common beech; Fraxinus
excelsior - common ash; Filipendula ulmaria - meadowsweet; Galium
odoratum - woodruff; Geum rivale - water avens; Hebe scrophulariaceae -
hebe midsummer beauty ; Hedera helix spec. - ivy (golden, common);
Helleborus argutifolius - Corsican hellebore; Helleborus orientalis -
Hellebore 'Snowden'; Hemerocallis fulva - day lily; Horseradish; Humulus
lupulus - golden hop; Hyacinthoides non-scriptus - bluebells*; Hyoericum
spec. - St John's Wort*; Hyoericum androsaenum - tutsan*; Ilex
aquifoliaceae - common holly; Iris pseudacorus - yellow flag iris*;
Leycesteria - Himalayan honeysuckle, pheasant's berry; Lonicera
periclymenum - honeysuckle; Lunaria biennis - honesty; Lysimachia
vulgaris - yellow loosestrife; Lythrum salicaria - purple loosestrife;
Malvus sylvestris - marsh mallow; Melissa officinalis - lemon balm;
Mentha citrata - eau de Cologne mint ; Mentha spec. - Ginger mint ;
Monarda labiatae - bergamot; Nigella damascena - love in a mist;
Onethera biennis - evening primrose; Oreganum vulgare - oregano;
Peltaria alliacea - garlic cress; Phylitis scolopendrium - hart's tongue
fern; Polemonium caeruleum - Jacob's ladder; Polygonum bistorta -
bistort; Polygonatum multiflorum - Solomon's seal; Prunella vulgaris -
self-heal; Rosa pimpinellifolia - Burnet rose, wild rose; Rosa rugosa -
Ramanas rose; Rosmarinunus officinalis - rosemary; Rumex acetosa -
French sorrel ; Salix daphnoides - violet willow; Salix 'Bowles Hybrid'
- biomass willow; Salix satsika - twisted willow; Salix viminalis -
osier; Sambucus niger spec. - Black elder; Sanguisorba minor - salad
burnet; Saponaria officinalis - soapwort; Scrophularia nodosa -
figwort*; Silene dioica - red campion; Symphytum officinale - comfrey;
Ulex europaeus - gorse; Vinca minor - periwinkle; Viola odorata - sweet
violet.

And
Forever Trees Nursery
Denbury Road
Ipplepen
TQ12 5TR
Tel: 01803 814098
Plants Available:
Hazel Standard and Giant Nuts, English Walnut, Beach, Holm Oak, Pinus
Cemdra, Carella Pine.

If you would like to help supply Plants For A Future style plants then
please get in touch.

East London Herbal Medicine Garden

We've been working with The Agroforestry Research trust to supply plants
for an important new project the East London Herbal Medicine Garden.
Beacontree Organic Growers and several local groups are working to
re-established an internationally important collection of over 2,000
medicinal herbs from Bucksteep Manor, East Sussex in a new site. The
collection was built up over the past 25 years by Hein and Annette
Zeylstra, with their students at the College of Phytotherapy, the UK's
leading educational institution for herbal medicine. Plants for a Future
are to contribute part of their collection of 1,000 species of edible
plants for the Forest Garden plot. The project will be launched on 20
March 2003 at Hanault Forest Country Park, Romford Road, Chigwell IG7
4QN. For more info please contact barry@..., Becontree
Organic Growers, Three Trees, 44 Gale Street, Becontree, Dagenham,
Essex, RM9 4NH Tel: 020 8592 8941.

Well that's all for now. As ever we still need people (no one is now
working full time at Blagdon and there are only 1.5 at the Field), money
(joining as a friend would be a great way to help) and lots of help in
all manner of things.

			 ttfn
	                         Rich
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Web:   http://www.pfaf.org/ same as http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/
Post:  1 Lerryn View, Lerryn, Lostwithiel, Cornwall, PL22 0QJ
Tel:  01208 872 963 / 0845 458 4719
Email: webmaster@...
PFAF electronic mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf

http://www.gb0063551.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/course/index.htm

PERMACULTURE; A weekend for beginners

Creating sustainable human communities by following nature's patterns;
"Permaculture is a way of life. It shows us how to make the most of our
resources by minimising waste and maximising potential. But living
ecologically and sustainably doesn't mean giving everything up, it means
relearning the value of nature, to understand new ways of being wealthy.
Permaculture methods can be applied now, whether you are gardening, doing
the shopping, looking after kids, going to work or building your own home.
Permaculture is not about getting away from it all- it's about taking
control of our lives, our individual needs and our common future."

THIS WEEKEND INTRODUCTION TO PERMACULTURE WILL INCLUDE; SUSTAINABLE DESIGN
PRINCIPLES, PERMACULTURE ETHICS, ORGANIC GARDENING, COMMUNITY ECONOMICS,
L.E.T.S. SYSTEMS, FOREST GARDENING, WILD FOOD WALK, OPTIONAL YOGA SESSIONS,
'HANDS ON' PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE & MORE.

23-25 MAY 2003
At
DIAL HOUSE CENTRE FOR
DYNAMIC CULTURAL CHANGE
NORTH WEALD (near Epping)
ESSEX

COST; @ £60.00 (flexibility/concessions available)

(NB. There will be space to camp at the venue. Indoor accommodation will
also be available in the main house at an additional cost of £5.00 per
night)

For further details or to book places, contact Graham Burnett, email
landandliberty@...  or send an SAE to Land & Liberty, 35 Rayleigh
Avenue, Westcliff On Sea, Essex, SS0 7DS (NB. These are NOT contact points
for Dial House)

For more information about Dial House see;
http://www.southern.com/southern/band/CRASS/dialhouse.html
The Dial House compost toilet building workshop, July 2002
http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/compostloo/essay/compostbog.htm

Andy- please can you add to the Permaculture Association website;

London and South East area Permaculture gathering & diploma support session
at Westcliff On Sea, Essex, Saturday 26/4/03.

A chance for permaculture people in the South East area & beyond to meet up,
network, discuss, share and socialise. There will also be support for
anybody interested in, or undertaking, the Diploma in Permaculture Design,
including opportunities for Action Learning sessions, and a chance to visit
the Manchester Drive forest garden project, as well as shared food (please
bring a vegan or vegetarian contribution) and socialising or pub afterwards.

For more details (including venue) please contact Graham Burnett
grahamburnett@... , or phone 01702 303259

It would be very much appreciated if you could pass this email onto
other people you feel might be interested. Thank you.

Hi, my son and I are buying a house in Wales and are looking to sell
our 3 bedroom semi in Borrowash, Derby which we feel will be of
interest to those who would like to grow a lot of their own food,
especially those with children.

*House*

The house is set at the end of a quiet cul-de-sac off another quiet
road. The end of the garden backs onto playing fields. It is a brick
built ex-council house (approx 1950's).

_Ground floor:_ Lounge (20'x 11'), Kitchen (12'x
10'), Hallway (9'x
3'), Utility room (6'x 6'), Wood framed
`conservatory' – to east of
house, with grapevine (15'x 7').

_First floor:_ Bedroom 1 ( 13'x 11'), Bedroom 2 (10'x
10'), Bedroom 3
(11'x 6'), Bathroom (6'x 5'), Toilet (4'x 3').

Air heating solar panel feeds into bedroom 2, with second water
heating panel partially completed.

A Rayburn stove that runs on either wood or coal and feeds the hot
water tank, with the possibility to run some radiators.

Cavity wall insulation has been added and a thick layer of loft
insulation (6-9")

The property is in need of redecoration, and some modernisation and
there has been some recent work done on it.


*Garden*

The garden has been grown organically since I moved here 14 years, and
vegan organic for the last 7. Before that is was basically
uncultivated for many years.

The front garden (33'x23') has been recently improved, with a
new path
& turf.

Along with the location and amenities, the back garden is the selling
point of the property, being a large 110'long and 30' wide
next to the
house widening to 40'at the bottom (total of house area with
front and
back garden, just over 1/10^th of an acre (157ft by an average of
about 33'). The furthest two-thirds of the back garden
constitutes a
beautiful semi-mature forest garden. It contains over 50 fruit and
nuts trees (from 5 to 20 years old). 3 Walnut, 1 Almond, 1 Hazel, 1
Nectarine, lots of Apples, 5 Pear, 3 Cherry (including one over 20ft
high used as my sons play tree), 3 Asian pear, 3 Plum, plus
Blackcurrant, Whitecurrant, Redcurrant bushes, several Gooseberries,
numerous Raspberries, Blackberries, & 4 Rhubarb plants.

There is also a vegetable patch out the back next to the house where I
have grown Beans, Sunflowers, Peas, Courgettes, Garlic etc.

The total weight of fruit and veg for 2001 was 216kg and with a little
attention and time, I believe that figure can probably be doubled!

There is a large (2m * 2m), sunken, brick built BBQ pit nicely shaded
by trees and raspberries with plenty of room for friends.

There is also a sun lounger area in the far end of the garden where a
hammock can be hung between the 25ft Walnut tree and the 20ft cherry
tree., plus a small pond and we often have frogs and hedgehogs
visiting us.


*Location*

The house is just past the outskirts of Derby, in the village of
Borrowash, which is surrounded by fields. Two hundred yards away are 2
children's play areas (one for infants), and a football field (not
often used for that), and a large grass play area.

The Ockbrook is a small stream that flows down through the playing
fields and has willows growing along its banks making it ideal for
children to play in.

There are two allotments nearby (approx 700 yards or 3 minutes on a
bike!) with spare plots for about £8/year.

See link below for map

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=publ
ic&db=pc&addr1=&client=public&Submit.x=0&addr2=&ad
vanced=&Submit.y=0&addr3=&pc=DE723JL&quicksearch=de723jl
<http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=pub
lic&db=pc&addr1=&client=public&Submit.x=0&addr2=&a
dvanced=&Submit.y=0&addr3=&pc=DE723JL&quicksearch=de723jl>

and this link for an aerial view

http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cgi?client=publi
c&x=442262&y=334887&gride=442262&gridn=334887&scal
e=25000&coordsys=&mapsize=big
<http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cgi?client=publ
ic&x=442262&y=334887&gride=442262&gridn=334887&sca
le=25000&coordsys=&mapsize=big>

*Services*

There are several nearby schools for infant and junior pupils
including the excellent Redhills school (with Beacon status,1 mile
away) and Ashbrook just 700 yards away.

There are two local shopping areas, the first just 400 yards away has
just a few shops (newsagent/convenience) and the other (which has a
Safeways, hardware store, dentist, library, pub, Nationwide, Video
shop, etc) is about 600 yards away.

There is a garden centre just a mile away, and the doctors is about
400 yards away.

Out of town shopping centre with Asda, Sainsburys, Homebase, etc 5
miles.

The house has broadband Internet connection, phone and cable
television provided by NTL.

Also connected are the standard mains, gas, water and sewage services
and Council Tax is band "A".


*Transport*

Borrowash is well served by bus routes and during the day there is a
bus to Derby about every 6 minutes and to Nottingham every 8 minutes
including an express to Derby that takes about 10 minutes.

Derby (6 miles) and Nottingham (15 miles) both have train and coach
stations with good links to the buses.

There is space for parking in the top of the cul-de-sac for a vehicle.

The A52 is less than 2 minutes drive away which links directly to
Derby, Nottingham and the M1 (junction 25, 4 miles away)


*Leisure and Entertainment*

Elvaston Castle Country Park is approximately 2 miles away with lovely
walks among the trees. Near there, but closer is the entrance to the
cycle path that goes along the length of the Derwent River and into
the centre of Derby.

Alton towers is just 31 miles away, and the American adventure is in
Shipley Country Park around 10 miles away.

Both Derby and Nottingham have multiscreen cinemas, bowling alleys,
quasar (laser tag game), swimming pools, etc etc. Nottingham also has
an ice rink. There are also all the other usual pubs, clubs, football
etc.

For more details please call Tony on

01332 679 341

0798 052 1271

tony.martin11@...

----- Original Message -----

From: tonythevegan

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:21 AM

Subject: [pfaf] Vegan/Organic garden with 3 Bedroomed semi-detached house for sale, £86,000 ONO

It would be very much appreciated if you could pass this email onto
other people you feel might be interested. Thank you.

Hi, my son and I are buying a house in Wales and are looking to sell
our 3 bedroom semi in Borrowash, Derby which we feel will be of
interest to those who would like to grow a lot of their own food,
especially those with children.

*House*

The house is set at the end of a quiet cul-de-sac off another quiet
road. The end of the garden backs onto playing fields. It is a brick
built ex-council house (approx 1950's).

_Ground floor:_ Lounge (20'x 11'), Kitchen (12'x
10'), Hallway (9'x
3'), Utility room (6'x 6'), Wood framed
`conservatory' – to east of
house, with grapevine (15'x 7').

_First floor:_ Bedroom 1 ( 13'x 11'), Bedroom 2 (10'x
10'), Bedroom 3
(11'x 6'), Bathroom (6'x 5'), Toilet (4'x 3').

Air heating solar panel feeds into bedroom 2, with second water
heating panel partially completed.

A Rayburn stove that runs on either wood or coal and feeds the hot
water tank, with the possibility to run some radiators.

Cavity wall insulation has been added and a thick layer of loft
insulation (6-9")

The property is in need of redecoration, and some modernisation and
there has been some recent work done on it.


*Garden*

The garden has been grown organically since I moved here 14 years, and
vegan organic for the last 7. Before that is was basically
uncultivated for many years.

The front garden (33'x23') has been recently improved, with a
new path
& turf.

Along with the location and amenities, the back garden is the selling
point of the property, being a large 110'long and 30' wide
next to the
house widening to 40'at the bottom (total of house area with
front and
back garden, just over 1/10^th of an acre (157ft by an average of
about 33'). The furthest two-thirds of the back garden
constitutes a
beautiful semi-mature forest garden. It contains over 50 fruit and
nuts trees (from 5 to 20 years old). 3 Walnut, 1 Almond, 1 Hazel, 1
Nectarine, lots of Apples, 5 Pear, 3 Cherry (including one over 20ft
high used as my sons play tree), 3 Asian pear, 3 Plum, plus
Blackcurrant, Whitecurrant, Redcurrant bushes, several Gooseberries,
numerous Raspberries, Blackberries, & 4 Rhubarb plants.

There is also a vegetable patch out the back next to the house where I
have grown Beans, Sunflowers, Peas, Courgettes, Garlic etc.

The total weight of fruit and veg for 2001 was 216kg and with a little
attention and time, I believe that figure can probably be doubled!

There is a large (2m * 2m), sunken, brick built BBQ pit nicely shaded
by trees and raspberries with plenty of room for friends.

There is also a sun lounger area in the far end of the garden where a
hammock can be hung between the 25ft Walnut tree and the 20ft cherry
tree., plus a small pond and we often have frogs and hedgehogs
visiting us.


*Location*

The house is just past the outskirts of Derby, in the village of
Borrowash, which is surrounded by fields. Two hundred yards away are 2
children's play areas (one for infants), and a football field (not
often used for that), and a large grass play area.

The Ockbrook is a small stream that flows down through the playing
fields and has willows growing along its banks making it ideal for
children to play in.

There are two allotments nearby (approx 700 yards or 3 minutes on a
bike!) with spare plots for about £8/year.

See link below for map

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=publ
ic&db=pc&addr1=&client=public&Submit.x=0&addr2=&ad
vanced=&Submit.y=0&addr3=&pc=DE723JL&quicksearch=de723jl
<http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=pub
lic&db=pc&addr1=&client=public&Submit.x=0&addr2=&a
dvanced=&Submit.y=0&addr3=&pc=DE723JL&quicksearch=de723jl>

and this link for an aerial view

http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cgi?client=publi
c&x=442262&y=334887&gride=442262&gridn=334887&scal
e=25000&coordsys=&mapsize=big
<http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cgi?client=publ
ic&x=442262&y=334887&gride=442262&gridn=334887&sca
le=25000&coordsys=&mapsize=big>

*Services*

There are several nearby schools for infant and junior pupils
including the excellent Redhills school (with Beacon status,1 mile
away) and Ashbrook just 700 yards away.

There are two local shopping areas, the first just 400 yards away has
just a few shops (newsagent/convenience) and the other (which has a
Safeways, hardware store, dentist, library, pub, Nationwide, Video
shop, etc) is about 600 yards away.

There is a garden centre just a mile away, and the doctors is about
400 yards away.

Out of town shopping centre with Asda, Sainsburys, Homebase, etc 5
miles.

The house has broadband Internet connection, phone and cable
television provided by NTL.

Also connected are the standard mains, gas, water and sewage services
and Council Tax is band "A".


*Transport*

Borrowash is well served by bus routes and during the day there is a
bus to Derby about every 6 minutes and to Nottingham every 8 minutes
including an express to Derby that takes about 10 minutes.

Derby (6 miles) and Nottingham (15 miles) both have train and coach
stations with good links to the buses.

There is space for parking in the top of the cul-de-sac for a vehicle.

The A52 is less than 2 minutes drive away which links directly to
Derby, Nottingham and the M1 (junction 25, 4 miles away)


*Leisure and Entertainment*

Elvaston Castle Country Park is approximately 2 miles away with lovely
walks among the trees. Near there, but closer is the entrance to the
cycle path that goes along the length of the Derwent River and into
the centre of Derby.

Alton towers is just 31 miles away, and the American adventure is in
Shipley Country Park around 10 miles away.

Both Derby and Nottingham have multiscreen cinemas, bowling alleys,
quasar (laser tag game), swimming pools, etc etc. Nottingham also has
an ice rink. There are also all the other usual pubs, clubs, football
etc.

For more details please call Tony on

01332 679 341

0798 052 1271

tony.martin11@...



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A reminder that I will be hosting a permaculture gathering and diploma
support session here in Westcliff On Sea, Essex on Saturday 26/4/03.

This will be a chance for any permaculture people from the London or south
East region to get together, meet up and network (or work net) , as well as
an opportunity for those interested in, or working towards, the Permaculture
Diploma to recieve some support, including opportunities for Action
Learning/Think & Listen sessions.

We will also be able to visit some local projects, including the allotment
forest gardens that are being created in Leigh On Sea.

The day will be free of charge, but it would be appreciated if you could
bring contributions to a shared vegan/vegetarian meal.

The gathering will NOT be at my house, instead will be held at 39 Manor
Road, Westcliff On Sea, which is right next to Westcliff station (approx 45
minutes from Fenchurch Street (the C2C line) in London), and will be from
about 10am onwards, with maybe a pub trip in the evening?

Cheers for now,

Graham
www.landandliberty.co.uk

I think ya'll might be interested in this one: a free subscription to
the Wild Food Foragers of America email newsletter.  It's FREE.

The underlying message is awareness of and gratitude for the
abundance all around us, emersing ourselves in nature's gifts, and
empowerment toward self-reliance.

The first issue comes out on April 21st, 2003 and will feature how to
identify, harvest, prepare, and store THISTLES, which are growing all
over the USA right now.

Lots of info and photos will be presented on a different edible weed
every month, including a slide show, recipes, nutritional and
medicinal information, and links to other info.

Please check it out at http://www.wildfoodforagers.org, and please
let your friends know about this opportunity to learn about and take
advantage of the bounty of delicious edible weeds at our feet.

Standing knee deep in abundance!

The Weed Lady

Thanks for info, trouble is I have tried the link and it say it cannot
be found. Any thoughts?

Thanks
Tony

The Weed Lady wrote:

> I think ya'll might be interested in this one: a free subscription to
> the Wild Food Foragers of America email newsletter.  It's FREE.
>
> The underlying message is awareness of and gratitude for the
> abundance all around us, emersing ourselves in nature's gifts, and
> empowerment toward self-reliance.
>
> The first issue comes out on April 21st, 2003 and will feature how to
> identify, harvest, prepare, and store THISTLES, which are growing all
> over the USA right now.
>
> Lots of info and photos will be presented on a different edible weed
> every month, including a slide show, recipes, nutritional and
> medicinal information, and links to other info.
>
> Please check it out at http://www.wildfoodforagers.org, and please
> let your friends know about this opportunity to learn about and take
> advantage of the bounty of delicious edible weeds at our feet.
>
> Standing knee deep in abundance!
>
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Thanks for info, trouble is I have tried the link and it say it cannot
be found. Any thoughts?

Thanks
Tony

The Weed Lady wrote:

> I think ya'll might be interested in this one: a free subscription to
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> The underlying message is awareness of and gratitude for the
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> The first issue comes out on April 21st, 2003 and will feature how to
> identify, harvest, prepare, and store THISTLES, which are growing all
> over the USA right now.
>
> Lots of info and photos will be presented on a different edible weed
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The Weed Lady wrote:

> I think ya'll might be interested in this one: a free subscription to
> the Wild Food Foragers of America email newsletter.  It's FREE.
>
> The underlying message is awareness of and gratitude for the
> abundance all around us, emersing ourselves in nature's gifts, and
> empowerment toward self-reliance.
>
> The first issue comes out on April 21st, 2003 and will feature how to
> identify, harvest, prepare, and store THISTLES, which are growing all
> over the USA right now.
>
> Lots of info and photos will be presented on a different edible weed
> every month, including a slide show, recipes, nutritional and
> medicinal information, and links to other info.
>
> Please check it out at http://www.wildfoodforagers.org, and please
> let your friends know about this opportunity to learn about and take
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Sorry about that. Try this link, which omits the comma at the end:

http://www.wildfoodforagers.org

Standing knee-deep in abundance!
The Weed Lady


--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, Tony Martin <tony.martin11@n...> wrote:
> Thanks for info, trouble is I have tried the link and it say it
cannot
> be found. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> The Weed Lady wrote:
>
> > I think ya'll might be interested in this one: a free
subscription to
> > the Wild Food Foragers of America email newsletter.  It's FREE.
> >
> > The underlying message is awareness of and gratitude for the
> > abundance all around us, emersing ourselves in nature's gifts, and
> > empowerment toward self-reliance.
> >
> > The first issue comes out on April 21st, 2003 and will feature
how to
> > identify, harvest, prepare, and store THISTLES, which are growing
all
> > over the USA right now.
> >
> > Lots of info and photos will be presented on a different edible
weed
> > every month, including a slide show, recipes, nutritional and
> > medicinal information, and links to other info.
> >
> > Please check it out at http://www.wildfoodforagers.org, and please
> > let your friends know about this opportunity to learn about and
take
> > advantage of the bounty of delicious edible weeds at our feet.
> >
> > Standing knee deep in abundance!
> >
> > The Weed Lady

hello folks and sorry for the cross posting-

I'm putting together a kind of sequel book to both my 'Permaculture A
Beginners Guide' and my vegan cookbook, 'well fed, Not An Animal dead' which
will be a kind of permaculture recipe book featuring recipes or better still
'cooking guidelines' (I rarely use or follow prescriptive recipes- if you've
seen 'Well Fed' you'll know what i mean) for meals that can be made with
mainly home grown or non-imported ingredients (in the UK) and that require
the minimum of processing, packaging etc, together with some related
articles on food miles, gardening, fukuoka, forest gardening, etc.

I'd be interested in any recipes or stuff on preserving, drying, etc that
people might like to contribute. I'd request that all submissions be vegan,
or at least easily adaptable to vegan (though I don't mind recipes which
include home-scale produced honey), and I'm particularly interested in
including some raw food recipes, as well as dishes utilising wild foods,
'weeds', edible flowers, less usual fruit, etc, as well as seasonal dishes
based on the 'wheel of the year' (eg, meals appropriate for the various
yearly festivals like Beltane, samhain, etc). I'm not going to be
ultra-dogmatic, including some imported ingredients, eg, olive oil, fair
traded ingredients, etc would be acceptable...

Any submissions used will be credited and you'll recieve (at least) a copy
of the book when it's finished...

Look forward to hearing from all you perma-cooks out there!

Cheers Graham
www.landandliberty.co.uk

I've just discovered in the apple orchards out the back of the house huge
piles of discarded sprouting cobnuts waiting to be propergated.
This is in West Kent near Tunbridge Wells. Big a big sack and help yourself,
map ref landranger 188 634415. Easy to locate...on the hill, at the edge of
the apple orchard area, on the top of a rise that has been cleared of fruit
trees and planted with small native trees....a few big wooden apple boxes
around...Many are just spouting and will need collecting, packing into sacks
with damp soil or potting into contains very soon, or they'll just dry out
in the summer. I'm very much into just casually spreading the edible food
idea out into the community....and as there often seems to be squirrals
around in the garden, propergation in pots etc is difficult. (again, if my
tibetan cast wasn't seemingly under constant attack from various negative
forces, this problem would not exist!). I'm thinking of just allowing them
to sprout in sacks, and then taking a load out at a time on walks, carrying
a pointy stick, and prodding ahole in the ground, popping a nut inside, and
firming down the soil..all things being equal, they should grow well.
blessed be.




I'd Also like to take the opporuntity to network the location ov a very very
cosmic project...A hill country nuttery, now overgrown, located in the East
Powys hills. For those of you interested in cultivars of nuts for the 1000'+
contour line, here's 40 years work of selction/propergation etc, all lying
to waste. The nursey was a Mr David Every's, a 'old school' dreamer,
visionary, and practical worker, vegan, animal liberation activist and
general all round hero! It was very poiniant wandering round the overgrown
lands (6 acres of hazel and walnut - Every's speciality, and the old
derilict sandtone house, with scattered alternative literature, old copies
of greenline etc etc), Amazingly this place has been lunched out, one could
speculate on the immediate causes of this nialisatic neglect, being the
usual suspects, the 'negative energies' of western ego, proped up by
christainity and of course this sort of vision, especially being a community
wide trip, being immediately hostile to the 'status quo' of
exploiotation/ranching etc etc.

Instead of being enacted, this valuble nuttery has been abandoned, and was
sold privately to someone primarily interested in the redevelopment of the
derilict house there...whether they are interested in nut trees, I don't
know. Let us hope so...Then at least the trees will be saved. But it really
is a shame, Uk vegan/food forest  movement, that this place isn't being
developed in the way evry would have dreamed of, as a community resourse,
the house made into a study cetre and the cultivars propergated and
distributed on a increasingly emergency basis! I mean it's all very well
writing idealistice visions of tree based culture being reinstated here in
the sid (united kingdom), but in order to make this tree based non vilent
reality real we have start enacting it! Then the rest follows!! We already
have a UK vegan horticulture centre at Plants for a future at blagdon, this
would have been a perfect complement, community forest hill country, edible
tree centre. Non competition is the thing, is the essense of higher states
of consciousness, I know that 'the bastards' make us work so f'ing hard that
deep meditational peace becomes literally (seemingly) unachivable, but
nevertheless. Everything in Heaven is in fact free, and these states of
reality are in fact achievable here and now...not just 'when you die'. Magic
is real, Every's place is magic, his was/possible is a way into this true
magic, deep avalon, ...go check it out at, Landranger 148 324703, next to
the appropriately named sheep farm,  'Folly Farm', nearby Tref Y Clawdd
(Knighton), Powys, Cymru (Wales).

Bright Blessings!,

Om shanti!, shanti shiva! shanti shakti!,

Allah Akbar!

With PIXY  power!

King Amdo.






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amdo wrote:
<snip>
> Have some fucking respect for traditional livestock herders ridiculas
> programmed maoist wankers. The vegan village vision, can only be a
> solution for the 'westworld'. As you can probably realise I am FUCKING
> ANGRY  about you bunch of fucking wankers blocking no just me, but the
> magical and practical transformation. I hope you fail to get your
> fucking UK vegan horticulture centre wigin ex alf buch of contained
> british pricks.
>
> Allah Akbar.

Dear Allah,
	 Please mind your language. Whilst we welcome
debate about such issues, debate only come if both sides
are open to listening. Your tone sounds like your
not open for discussion.

Warning, another post in the same tone and I'll remove you
from the list.

The PFAF point of view is to provide information
on alternatives, we try to promote the many different
plants which could be used. In a couple of places
(2 pages in 7000+) we do highlight some of the problems
associated with animal rearing in the west and some
of the advantages of adopting vegan diet.

We do not prevent anyone from doing anything and we
allow free discussion (not slanging matches).

I think if you would talk to most vegans about
traditional livestock farmers in Tibet you would
find that they would be quite supportive.

So sane discussion: Yes; slanging match No.

	 Rich
--
Plants for a Future: 7000 useful plants
Web:   http://www.pfaf.org/ same as http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/
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Your worried about a bit of fucking swearing?...Believe me when i tell you
that I almost (literally) killed my parents pursuding my parents to come up
with fourty grand to buy the Every nuttery....and the fucking wankers at MCL
had the fucking money all along....and then the fucking wigan vegetable
growers collective seize hold of it all. Well I think its time I ended my
association with you bunch of RIDICULAS INCOMPETANT  EGOISING WANKERS.

GOODBYE,

And take care scum, take care.

Bright blessings.

King Ado.


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Morris <webmaster@...>
To: <pfaf@yahoogroups.com>; <King_Amdo@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pfaf] Fools...


> amdo wrote:
> <snip>
> > Have some fucking respect for traditional livestock herders ridiculas
> > programmed maoist wankers. The vegan village vision, can only be a
> > solution for the 'westworld'. As you can probably realise I am FUCKING
> > ANGRY  about you bunch of fucking wankers blocking no just me, but the
> > magical and practical transformation. I hope you fail to get your
> > fucking UK vegan horticulture centre wigin ex alf buch of contained
> > british pricks.
> >
> > Allah Akbar.
>
> Dear Allah,
> Please mind your language. Whilst we welcome
> debate about such issues, debate only come if both sides
> are open to listening. Your tone sounds like your
> not open for discussion.
>
> Warning, another post in the same tone and I'll remove you
> from the list.
>
> The PFAF point of view is to provide information
> on alternatives, we try to promote the many different
> plants which could be used. In a couple of places
> (2 pages in 7000+) we do highlight some of the problems
> associated with animal rearing in the west and some
> of the advantages of adopting vegan diet.
>
> We do not prevent anyone from doing anything and we
> allow free discussion (not slanging matches).
>
> I think if you would talk to most vegans about
> traditional livestock farmers in Tibet you would
> find that they would be quite supportive.
>
> So sane discussion: Yes; slanging match No.
>
> Rich
> --
> Plants for a Future: 7000 useful plants
> Web:   http://www.pfaf.org/ same as http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/
> Post:  1 Lerryn View, Lerryn, Lostwithiel, Cornwall, PL22 0QJ
> Tel: 01208 872 963 / 0845 458 4719
> Email: webmaster@...
> PFAF electronic mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf
>
>

> > amdo wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > Have some fucking respect for traditional livestock herders ridiculas
> > > programmed maoist wankers. The vegan village vision, can only be a
> > > solution for the 'westworld'. As you can probably realise I am FUCKING
> > > ANGRY  about you bunch of fucking wankers blocking no just me, but the
> > > magical and practical transformation. I hope you fail to get your
> > > fucking UK vegan horticulture centre wigin ex alf buch of contained
> > > british pricks.
> > >

And this guy wonders why the MCL wouldn't give him all their money????

Graham Burnett wrote:
>>>amdo wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>Have some fucking respect for traditional livestock herders ridiculas
>>>>programmed maoist wankers. The vegan village vision, can only be a
>>>>solution for the 'westworld'. As you can probably realise I am FUCKING
>>>>ANGRY  about you bunch of fucking wankers blocking no just me, but the
>>>>magical and practical transformation. I hope you fail to get your
>>>>fucking UK vegan horticulture centre wigin ex alf buch of contained
>>>>british pricks.
>>>>
>
>
> And this guy wonders why the MCL wouldn't give him all their money????
>
Its a bit of a shame really, I remember the first
'The David Every Nuttery' post a year ago. It did sound
like a worthwhile project.
See http://bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2339
Unfortunately the there just isn't that much money floating
about (heck we could do with a big cash injection for our
project).

	 Rich
--
Plants for a Future: 7000 useful plants
Web:   http://www.pfaf.org/ same as http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/
Post:  1 Lerryn View, Lerryn, Lostwithiel, Cornwall, PL22 0QJ
Tel:  01208 872 963 / 0845 458 4719
Email: webmaster@...
PFAF electronic mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf

> >
> >
> > And this guy wonders why the MCL wouldn't give him all their
money????
> >
> Its a bit of a shame really, I remember the first
> 'The David Every Nuttery' post a year ago. It did sound
> like a worthwhile project.
> See http://bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2339
> Unfortunately the there just isn't that much money floating
> about (heck we could do with a big cash injection for our
> project).
>

I'm sure there are many subscribers to this list who have suffered
more than their fair share of funding disappointments, the thing to
do isn't to rant petulant abuse at those who are in all probability
supportive or devise strategies to kill your rich parents, but to
look at why the bid failed, learn to put in better funding bids,
work out new strategies, go on a fund raising course, get someone
who is good at putting together funding bids to come on board. Not
as much fun as communing with the nut trees unfortunately, but such
is the cold reality of setting up sustainable and earthright
projects these days....

Ah well. Graham

This month there are 2 computer mags in the shops which have potentially
useful CD's free with them,

'Personal Computer world' has Geoff hamilton's 3D Garden Designer program
with it, whilst 'Computer Shopper' has the 'Gardeners World garden Manager'
program. Unfortunately the latter features Alan Titchmarsh's gurning mug on
the front, but at three quid per mag they might be worth at least checking
out...

Cheers Graham

I tottaly agree. A freind and I put in grant proposals to the same place a
few years ago. I was lazy with my forms ect, she wasn't. Tho in the end she
'pissed' her shot away and I would have and have been following thru the
responsibility is mine not the funders nor her. I learned many valuable
lessons from her. When you don't get the funding, you need to look at
various reasons why. If I ever do a large fund request I will seek the aid
of people who have succeeded and learn from them. It's a bit of practical
savvy we all need to learn. A knock to our egos to be sure, but no one is
going to fall so inlove with our concept to ignore poor spelling, lack of
info etc. Maybe this person will calm down and self asscess.  Caat

I'm sure there are many subscribers to this list who have suffered
more than their fair share of funding disappointments, the thing to
do isn't to rant petulant abuse at those who are in all probability
supportive or devise strategies to kill your rich parents, but to
look at why the bid failed, learn to put in better funding bids,
work out new strategies, go on a fund raising course, get someone
who is good at putting together funding bids to come on board. Not
as much fun as communing with the nut trees unfortunately, but such
is the cold reality of setting up sustainable and earthright
projects these days....

Ah well. Graham

----- Original Message -----

From: starwolfdreamer

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:25 AM

Subject: Re: [pfaf] Digest Number 157

I tottaly agree. A freind and I put in grant proposals to the same place a
few years ago. I was lazy with my forms ect, she wasn't. Tho in the end she
'pissed' her shot away and I would have and have been following thru the
responsibility is mine not the funders nor her. I learned many valuable
lessons from her. When you don't get the funding, you need to look at
various reasons why. If I ever do a large fund request I will seek the aid
of people who have succeeded and learn from them. It's a bit of practical
savvy we all need to learn. A knock to our egos to be sure, but no one is
going to fall so inlove with our concept to ignore poor spelling, lack of
info etc. Maybe this person will calm down and self asscess.  Caat

I'm sure there are many subscribers to this list who have suffered
more than their fair share of funding disappointments, the thing to
do isn't to rant petulant abuse at those who are in all probability
supportive or devise strategies to kill your rich parents, but to
look at why the bid failed, learn to put in better funding bids,
work out new strategies, go on a fund raising course, get someone
who is good at putting together funding bids to come on board. Not
as much fun as communing with the nut trees unfortunately, but such
is the cold reality of setting up sustainable and earthright
projects these days....

Ah well. Graham

From: amdo

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:27 AM

Subject: [pfaf]

This is what 'we' are struggling against....'fraid to say respect is due fools,

 

Blessed be,

 

King amdo.

 

Commenting about the 'falling out' amongst the famous exodus collective core
members... (http://www.squall.co.uk/)

1/Its crucial to remember that anyone doing this sort of thing inevitably
attracts what the First Nation people of american call 'bad medicine'.

2/ (obviously), Jah Warriors are not limited to a collective/town in
Bedfordshire!

As a 'independent' Jah Warrior, the spiritual attacks that I have come under
are just incredible, and all this is bound to interplay.

The Exodus prophecy, works throughout space and time on power abusers,
(sending 'the pharoh' in a nightmare increasing at a increasing rate', as we
ascend to mount ZION)...anyone or group channelling this energy in a
relevent society IS BOUND to be subject to malain influences....to wake up
the whole community is bound to cosmic consciousness is bound to be a
problem for 'christain system'....money/exploit/deal/rape......and these
negative influences channel through unexpected vessels.... not just the
pigs! You are correct (Glenn) to identify drug dealers as (secondary)
negative influences....they have their little money making empires to
protect. Lets be honest the 'convoy''s major income at present is from
dealing. This must change. I also have this important and scary testament to
share - direct first witness evidence concerning the actual nature of the
'evil power' that 'we' are dealing with.

I met a amazing mixed race woman through a mutual interest in
protesting...the actual issue being waste incinerators. After 2 years of
phone calls and writing, I went to meet her in cornwall, where she lives
with her small girl child. We went on a reggee night out and returned home
drunk and stoned (on 'punter' ie bought for money hash), falling into bed
and making love. As we fell asleep together, united as one, we encounted a
terrifying energy, as a 'white ball'. Attacking this together, being also
(obviously) linked with my faithful hound 'ting', who on the floor beside
us,  the paralysing fear was broken, we both woke up. Now, she had already
told me ov some of her child hood experiences, but this informal 'shamanic'
trip freed her to speak. She told me that as a child, in a council housing
estate in Portsmouth, she was subjected to the most horrific torture.
Underneath her bedroom carpet there was a pentagram (with various symbols
around the points). She was on regular occassions, and over a number of
years, put inside this pentagram and sexually tortured (she did not tell me
the details of these). Bowls of shit were placed around the room. Her mother
(Indian) and step dad collaborated with this senaio, and the (step) white
kids of the family were not subject to this abuse. The people that were the
abusers were police/authority/'big wigs'.  Secrecy surrounded all of this
sick psuedo occult torture. It is how the 'game' of  the christain freemason
patriarchal system/mindcontrol, nay, reality even! is created. Basically
total degredation was shown to this child ov colour. Christain system really
is a vampire. Jah sees.It seemed to be some sort of psycik fear link with
the inquisition...some fucking awful bad christain karma. I think actually
that her spirit flew into the goddess, it created a 'scitzaphreia' a
seperation from the goddess, by these acts of total mother hating...anti
tribal, anti goddess.

However, Jah sees!

Since then, I've been to India, and realised many things. What it is like to
be Tibetan Royalty in a culture/community that does not seek to make
Tibetans ... thinking particularly of the reincarnated Tibetan family
traveller 'Peace Convoy', into societies scapegoats, (obviously they are
actually really , scitzaphrenically externalising onto deep dark mother
goddess tribe/s what is actually part ov there own making!)  but instead ...
it's very difficult to describe...errm total and huge
respect!...pyscik...reality generator...new landscapes even! The british
freemason's senario is sort of diametrically opposite to the Tibetan magical
senario. Ultimate evil, constrasting with ultimate good! It is important to
realise, that despite the horror of this knoledge, and the realisation of
what these rituals manifest as...many problems in society, hidden, from the
mainstream consciousness/awareness, (and revealed by such as the exodus
movenment...thus the countereaction of 'bad medicine')....and the
rape/destruction of the sacred mother earth, and the arms dealing and
colonialistaion and the rascism, and all of it originating from a hidden
nightmare, resulting in this seemingly 'fixed' reality, and ruthlessly
alienated overindividualistic society...with a load of plastic wanker
freemasons riding on all of this abuse at the top... The demon vampire scum
that call themselves the windsors being the head of the british
freemasons....(and a load of 'very helpful' , disrespectful egoising little
drongo's, snapping around yer ankles, trying to disrupte Jah Warriors from
channelling the positive reality!!!). However karma is moving on, it is the
end of this era of anti mother fear, and when the fear power is broken, JAH
LIVE!
....the fixed nature of reality is no more...one/we entre shapeshift world,
a world of magic. Blessed be! I should also say, the Tibetan connection here
that this woman, Jayne, is a tribal Tibetan shapeshift witch, when coming
together in love (as we moved together) this generates a energy that changes
the whole of the external reality...and creates a reality change that
immediately puts the 'babylon' into what amounts to a chaos trap (or
exodus!), they immediately attack this reality, attempting to send the
channel/s into fear, thus regaining the status quo. It can be totally
enraging when this happens! The important thing to remember is that it is a
inevitable process! the tide comming in! They are fucked! I find that a
outlet for 'the rage' and a positive sacrement is 'PIXYING'...I've pixied
literally hundreds of earth raping machines (usually on my own), and the
Goddess and the Creator protects, if neccessary by changing space and
time!...regardless of here and now. All is not what it seems. Om shanti! Om
shiva shanti shiva, om shanti shanti shakti!
I do this pixying by just dropping some nearby mother earth into the fuel
tanks, ideally the central supply tanker...note all kinds of operations can
be targeted, don't get stuck on roadworks, use you imagination. Om Shiva!

Bear all this in mind exodus collective, stay strong and try (I know myself
that this can be difficult in the circumstances) to stay peaceful. It is
always 'christain systems's game to try and lower or break the degree of our
magical powers...that are strongest with purity, non violence. I in my own
family have the problem that black born again, pentacostalists (my brother
in law) are basing their reality around my 'attempted'  scapegoating...the
actual psysick process is terrifying, unbelievably disrespectful   and just
plain stupid. Christainity is a white supremists 'trick', be it white or
black christainity. Its incredible to see the other side of the coin to
these rituals being channelled  in your own family, literally  how the
(western, usually white skin) ego is 'constructed' in the small
child....literally how the ego is made!...by pushing native tribal
people/witches/spiritual channels into total pyscik fear!  Loads of new age
senarios are the same, scapegoating egoisers...worse than the Nazi's! These
forces will fail. reality will change.

Many bright blessings and good health to his Holiness the Dalai Lama,
sublime being ov luminess white light!

Tibetan warrior, Ling Gesar, King of Amdo, a province of Tibet, Suppossedly
reincarnating as the REAL arthur pendragon, as part of the 'game plan' to
rebalance tribal karma in the 'new age'..if/when this happens it will be a
totally, and I mean TOTALLY different reality....we are talking huge pyscik
powers...anyone who has been to India will know that Sidu's/witches have
these powers naturally, and it is merely the above described nature ov
christianity that reduces us to disempoyed unbelieving zombies)


...and it would really be very nice if the 'local crew' to myself in north
wales would donate a decent amount of cannabis to myself instead of
'freezing up', putting on a front, attempting to crucially subjugate my will
to theirs, and trying to sell me gear....Remember scum, you are just drug
dealers I am Tibetan Royalty. It seems either consciously or just though
disrespect that they seek to perpetuate the system, the untruth, the game,
the lie, the abuse, the rape and the police state mind control. Jah sees.
Honestly from the viewpoint of India it is unbelievable, just massive
massive disrespect has been shown to myself.  And 'dealing convoy' YOU are
responsible for this slide into illusion. you should fucking well know
better. I think that the solution, is to ban the sale of drugs and the
distribution of chemicals). A respectful donation would give pyscik
solidarity so that all the various negative energies could not unbalance
myself/distrupt/channel through those around me, the Tibetan high cast
reality as I meditate into it from the dreamspace. Jah LIVE!

The fact is that unless the prophecy is furfilled, unless karma is
rebalanced, their will be problems..'West world' will be destroyed in the
bad karma of it's own poison. Maybe it should be anyway. You have freewill,
you have a choice, now you have knowedge, we have to live in balance with
MOTHER.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Anna Fraser

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: [pfaf]

Dear King Amdo,

 

It saddens me to see that remnants of white male colonial rapist language and culture has influenced you to such an extent that you use its tactics, its language and its scapegoating.
If you truly know you are reborn Tibetan royalty or feel a huge affinity to  Ling Gesar in your passion for life, I beseach you to seek the company and learning of Tibetan masters and other gentle great souls. Nourish yourself by reading everyday something written by his holyness The Dalai Lama. He makes powerful statements without ever having to use words like "scum", "morons", "Fucking" (why lower yourself to use a word for what should be a beautiful act in such a derogatory sense?) How can people listen to you with an open heart if they are insulted?

Nurture and nourish yourself King Amdo!, so you in turn will be able to nurture and nourish others.

 

So must it be!

 

Love, Hummingtree

 

"What we are doing to the forests of the world is but a mirror reflection of what we are doing to ourselves and to one another." Mahatma Gandhi

 

----- Original Message -----

From: amdo

To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:27 AM

Subject: [pfaf]

This is what 'we' are struggling against....'fraid to say respect is due fools,

 

Blessed be,

 

King amdo.

 

Commenting about the 'falling out' amongst the famous exodus collective core
members... (http://www.squall.co.uk/)

1/Its crucial to remember that anyone doing this sort of thing inevitably
attracts what the First Nation people of american call 'bad medicine'.

2/ (obviously), Jah Warriors are not limited to a collective/town in
Bedfordshire!

As a 'independent' Jah Warrior, the spiritual attacks that I have come under
are just incredible, and all this is bound to interplay.

The Exodus prophecy, works throughout space and time on power abusers,
(sending 'the pharoh' in a nightmare increasing at a increasing rate', as we
ascend to mount ZION)...anyone or group channelling this energy in a
relevent society IS BOUND to be subject to malain influences....to wake up
the whole community is bound to cosmic consciousness is bound to be a
problem for 'christain system'....money/exploit/deal/rape......and these
negative influences channel through unexpected vessels.... not just the
pigs! You are correct (Glenn) to identify drug dealers as (secondary)
negative influences....they have their little money making empires to
protect. Lets be honest the 'convoy''s major income at present is from
dealing. This must change. I also have this important and scary testament to
share - direct first witness evidence concerning the actual nature of the
'evil power' that 'we' are dealing with.

I met a amazing mixed race woman through a mutual interest in
protesting...the actual issue being waste incinerators. After 2 years of
phone calls and writing, I went to meet her in cornwall, where she lives
with her small girl child. We went on a reggee night out and returned home
drunk and stoned (on 'punter' ie bought for money hash), falling into bed
and making love. As we fell asleep together, united as one, we encounted a
terrifying energy, as a 'white ball'. Attacking this together, being also
(obviously) linked with my faithful hound 'ting', who on the floor beside
us,  the paralysing fear was broken, we both woke up. Now, she had already
told me ov some of her child hood experiences, but this informal 'shamanic'
trip freed her to speak. She told me that as a child, in a council housing
estate in Portsmouth, she was subjected to the most horrific torture.
Underneath her bedroom carpet there was a pentagram (with various symbols
around the points). She was on regular occassions, and over a number of
years, put inside this pentagram and sexually tortured (she did not tell me
the details of these). Bowls of shit were placed around the room. Her mother
(Indian) and step dad collaborated with this senaio, and the (step) white
kids of the family were not subject to this abuse. The people that were the
abusers were police/authority/'big wigs'.  Secrecy surrounded all of this
sick psuedo occult torture. It is how the 'game' of  the christain freemason
patriarchal system/mindcontrol, nay, reality even! is created. Basically
total degredation was shown to this child ov colour. Christain system really
is a vampire. Jah sees.It seemed to be some sort of psycik fear link with
the inquisition...some fucking awful bad christain karma. I think actually
that her spirit flew into the goddess, it created a 'scitzaphreia' a
seperation from the goddess, by these acts of total mother hating...anti
tribal, anti goddess.

However, Jah sees!

Since then, I've been to India, and realised many things. What it is like to
be Tibetan Royalty in a culture/community that does not seek to make
Tibetans ... thinking particularly of the reincarnated Tibetan family
traveller 'Peace Convoy', into societies scapegoats, (obviously they are
actually really , scitzaphrenically externalising onto deep dark mother
goddess tribe/s what is actually part ov there own making!)  but instead ...
it's very difficult to describe...errm total and huge
respect!...pyscik...reality generator...new landscapes even! The british
freemason's senario is sort of diametrically opposite to the Tibetan magical
senario. Ultimate evil, constrasting with ultimate good! It is important to
realise, that despite the horror of this knoledge, and the realisation of
what these rituals manifest as...many problems in society, hidden, from the
mainstream consciousness/awareness, (and revealed by such as the exodus
movenment...thus the countereaction of 'bad medicine')....and the
rape/destruction of the sacred mother earth, and the arms dealing and
colonialistaion and the rascism, and all of it originating from a hidden
nightmare, resulting in this seemingly 'fixed' reality, and ruthlessly
alienated overindividualistic society...with a load of plastic wanker
freemasons riding on all of this abuse at the top... The demon vampire scum
that call themselves the windsors being the head of the british
freemasons....(and a load of 'very helpful' , disrespectful egoising little
drongo's, snapping around yer ankles, trying to disrupte Jah Warriors from
channelling the positive reality!!!). However karma is moving on, it is the
end of this era of anti mother fear, and when the fear power is broken, JAH
LIVE!
....the fixed nature of reality is no more...one/we entre shapeshift world,
a world of magic. Blessed be! I should also say, the Tibetan connection here
that this woman, Jayne, is a tribal Tibetan shapeshift witch, when coming
together in love (as we moved together) this generates a energy that changes
the whole of the external reality...and creates a reality change that
immediately puts the 'babylon' into what amounts to a chaos trap (or
exodus!), they immediately attack this reality, attempting to send the
channel/s into fear, thus regaining the status quo. It can be totally
enraging when this happens! The important thing to remember is that it is a
inevitable process! the tide comming in! They are fucked! I find that a
outlet for 'the rage' and a positive sacrement is 'PIXYING'...I've pixied
literally hundreds of earth raping machines (usually on my own), and the
Goddess and the Creator protects, if neccessary by changing space and
time!...regardless of here and now. All is not what it seems. Om shanti! Om
shiva shanti shiva, om shanti shanti shakti!
I do this pixying by just dropping some nearby mother earth into the fuel
tanks, ideally the central supply tanker...note all kinds of operations can
be targeted, don't get stuck on roadworks, use you imagination. Om Shiva!

Bear all this in mind exodus collective, stay strong and try (I know myself
that this can be difficult in the circumstances) to stay peaceful. It is
always 'christain systems's game to try and lower or break the degree of our
magical powers...that are strongest with purity, non violence. I in my own
family have the problem that black born again, pentacostalists (my brother
in law) are basing their reality around my 'attempted'  scapegoating...the
actual psysick process is terrifying, unbelievably disrespectful   and just
plain stupid. Christainity is a white supremists 'trick', be it white or
black christainity. Its incredible to see the other side of the coin to
these rituals being channelled  in your own family, literally  how the
(western, usually white skin) ego is 'constructed' in the small
child....literally how the ego is made!...by pushing native tribal
people/witches/spiritual channels into total pyscik fear!  Loads of new age
senarios are the same, scapegoating egoisers...worse than the Nazi's! These
forces will fail. reality will change.

Many bright blessings and good health to his Holiness the Dalai Lama,
sublime being ov luminess white light!

Tibetan warrior, Ling Gesar, King of Amdo, a province of Tibet, Suppossedly
reincarnating as the REAL arthur pendragon, as part of the 'game plan' to
rebalance tribal karma in the 'new age'..if/when this happens it will be a
totally, and I mean TOTALLY different reality....we are talking huge pyscik
powers...anyone who has been to India will know that Sidu's/witches have
these powers naturally, and it is merely the above described nature ov
christianity that reduces us to disempoyed unbelieving zombies)


...and it would really be very nice if the 'local crew' to myself in north
wales would donate a decent amount of cannabis to myself instead of
'freezing up', putting on a front, attempting to crucially subjugate my will
to theirs, and trying to sell me gear....Remember scum, you are just drug
dealers I am Tibetan Royalty. It seems either consciously or just though
disrespect that they seek to perpetuate the system, the untruth, the game,
the lie, the abuse, the rape and the police state mind control. Jah sees.
Honestly from the viewpoint of India it is unbelievable, just massive
massive disrespect has been shown to myself.  And 'dealing convoy' YOU are
responsible for this slide into illusion. you should fucking well know
better. I think that the solution, is to ban the sale of drugs and the
distribution of chemicals). A respectful donation would give pyscik
solidarity so that all the various negative energies could not unbalance
myself/distrupt/channel through those around me, the Tibetan high cast
reality as I meditate into it from the dreamspace. Jah LIVE!

The fact is that unless the prophecy is furfilled, unless karma is
rebalanced, their will be problems..'West world' will be destroyed in the
bad karma of it's own poison. Maybe it should be anyway. You have freewill,
you have a choice, now you have knowedge, we have to live in balance with
MOTHER.

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--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "amdo" <King_Amdo@h...> wrote:
> It's just words dear, just words.
>
> Don't get your knickers in a twist. Sometimes it takes a 'talking
to' to wake people up.
>
> end of story.
>
> It really is your problem.

Amdo, from your recent postings it clear that you need to develop
considerable maturity before you are ready to be entrusted with
large amounts of money or land.

Why not look at some existing land projects and learn from their
experiences? Ken Fern, Richard Morris and everybody else at PFAF for
example have struggled and grafted for years to get where they are
now. Robert Hart's forest Garden was the result of 30 years
dedication and hard work. Ben Law has been negotiating for years
with the tedious beauracracy of the planning system in order to
develop his sustainable vision at Prickley Nut Wood. Same with
Stewards Wood, Springfield community Garden in Bradford, Naturewise
in North London, Drift in Newcastle and no end of other pioneering
community gardens and land projects where ordinary and inspired
people are getting on with grafting, working, filling in boring
forms, talking to planners and beauracrats, seeking funding and
putting up with the daily tedium and disapointments of trying to
build dreams in this money and politics driven society.

There will not be one of these people or projects who have not faced
frustrations and set backs, but I'm sure that they would all tell
you that directing tantrums and abuse at potential allies is counter-
productive to say the least.


>
> (Hopefully goodbye permanently this time!)


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> You really are (in general) fascists...you have much to learn...go
to india ... and stay away from me!

Um, you came to us, not vice versa...

>
> Blessed be,
>
> om shiva!

And to you.

P M Lloyd
48 Bury road
Old Harlow
Essex
CM17 0EE
UK