Is it possible to insert photos on this mailing list. I have tried but it
doesn´t work.
The last time I tried the photos was only 34 Kb.
lena

Is it possible to insert photos on this mailing list. I have tried but it
doesn´t work.
The last time I tried the photos was only 34 Kb.
lena

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:51:42 +0100, you wrote:

>Is it possible to insert photos on this mailing list. I have tried but it
>doesn´t work.
>The last time I tried the photos was only 34 Kb.

The listowner has likely set the default to be 'Do not accept attachments'.
This is a very wise choice for a mailing list as it prevents the spreading
of viruses.

With Yahoogroups lists, you can upload photos to a special section for
photos.  The one for this list is here:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf/photos

Just follow the directions you find there.  Start with 'Create Album' -
over on the right hand side of the page.

After you do this, if you tell us that the photo is there, then anyone on
this list can go look at the photo.  This is a *much* better way to do it.

Pat
--
In the Appalachian Mountains in northern Pennsylvania
Blog (mainly gardening and cooking related):
http://www.entire-of-itself.blogspot.com/

Thanks Pat, you solved my problem. I have now upload the photos in an album
called "lena",  http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf/photos There you will
find two photos of the lemon scented plants that I hope to find the name of.
I´m afraid you cant scent it - the thick leaves have an extremely strong
scent of lemon.
lena


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   On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:51:42 +0100, you wrote:

   >Is it possible to insert photos on this mailing list. I have tried but it
   >doesn´t work.
   >The last time I tried the photos was only 34 Kb.

   The listowner has likely set the default to be 'Do not accept
attachments'.
   This is a very wise choice for a mailing list as it prevents the spreading
   of viruses.

   With Yahoogroups lists, you can upload photos to a special section for
   photos. The one for this list is here:

   http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf/photos

   Just follow the directions you find there. Start with 'Create Album' -
   over on the right hand side of the page.

   After you do this, if you tell us that the photo is there, then anyone on
   this list can go look at the photo. This is a *much* better way to do it.

   Pat
   --
   In the Appalachian Mountains in northern Pennsylvania
   Blog (mainly gardening and cooking related):
   http://www.entire-of-itself.blogspot.com/





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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:00:35 +0100, you wrote:

>Thanks Pat, you solved my problem. I have now upload the photos in an album
>called "lena",  http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf/photos There you will
>find two photos of the lemon scented plants that I hope to find the name of.
>I´m afraid you cant scent it - the thick leaves have an extremely strong
>scent of lemon.

You're welcome!  I looked at the photos:  I *think* this plant is lemon
verbena (Lippia citriodora).  Lemon verbena has a really strong scent of
lemon.

I can't a good picture of lemon verbena - this is the best one I can come
up with.

http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Lipp_cit.html

I can't be positive; I think that's what it is though.

Pat
--
In the Appalachian Mountains in northern Pennsylvania
Blog (mainly gardening and cooking related):
http://www.entire-of-itself.blogspot.com/

I´m afraid not, you see the leaves are very thick, filled with water, almost
succulent. I also have Lippia citriodora, but it hasn´t so strong scent.
lena
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   Ämne: Re: [pfaf] my very mystic lemon plant


   On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:00:35 +0100, you wrote:

   >Thanks Pat, you solved my problem. I have now upload the photos in an
album
   >called "lena", http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pfaf/photos There you
will
   >find two photos of the lemon scented plants that I hope to find the name
of.
   >I´m afraid you cant scent it - the thick leaves have an extremely strong
   >scent of lemon.

   You're welcome! I looked at the photos: I *think* this plant is lemon
   verbena (Lippia citriodora). Lemon verbena has a really strong scent of
   lemon.

   I can't a good picture of lemon verbena - this is the best one I can come
   up with.

   http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Lipp_cit.html

   I can't be positive; I think that's what it is though.

   Pat
   --
   In the Appalachian Mountains in northern Pennsylvania
   Blog (mainly gardening and cooking related):
   http://www.entire-of-itself.blogspot.com/





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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:47:46 +0100, you wrote:

>I´m afraid not, you see the leaves are very thick, filled with water, almost
>succulent. I also have Lippia citriodora, but it hasn´t so strong scent.

Oh.  Interesting.  :)

Then I've no idea what it is.

Pat
--
In the Appalachian Mountains in northern Pennsylvania
Blog (mainly gardening and cooking related):
http://www.entire-of-itself.blogspot.com/

Perhaps the danger in using Artemisia is the same as the danger of drinking
absinthe, the liqueur derived from the plant----- it's addictive and
hallucinogenic, ask Toulouse Lautrec and all those Impressionist painters, who
were very fond of the drink!


---Marcia Cash
Traveler in Thyme
http://www.travelerinthyme.com


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--- Dee Harris <corbywolf13@...> wrote:

> This is many months late but I felt that I should
> answer this as one who is very familiar with herbs.
>   Point being, any herb shoudl first be tested on
> the skin of the inner elbow before using internally.
> This is a safety tip that many do not know about. It
> prevents accidental poisoning.

This information is wrong,
IT DOES NOT PREVENT  POISONING!!

There are no simple tests. Please be careful with
using plants that you haven't identified or are not
familiar with.

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Then what would you suggest, Frank? Not using herbs at all? I'll have you know
that I"ve been using herbs most of my life and that's 51 years worth. I do think
that I have some knowledge of what I'm doing.
   Wolf

Frank <chaewen@...> wrote:
           --- Dee Harris <corbywolf13@...> wrote:

> This is many months late but I felt that I should
> answer this as one who is very familiar with herbs.
> Point being, any herb shoudl first be tested on
> the skin of the inner elbow before using internally.
> This is a safety tip that many do not know about. It
> prevents accidental poisoning.

This information is wrong,
IT DOES NOT PREVENT POISONING!!

There are no simple tests. Please be careful with
using plants that you haven't identified or are not
familiar with.

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Hi Marcia,

   As it happens, this came up in our thread a few months ago..
   My position at the time was that I think one may find the actual thujone
levels in genuine Absinthe are not high enough to be considered harmful (thujone
is one of the alkaloids found in Artemisia absinthium, and is generally thought
to be the source of any "secondary effects" such as those supposedly experienced
by Lautrec and Van Gogh).  You may also find that that this misunderstanding
comes from misinformation distributed for political and economic competition in
the industry.
   -As an aside, it must be noted that Absinthe (and its descendant, Pastis, or
Anise) have the almost unique property of going cloudy when mixed with ice
water.  This, in addition to Absinthe's green colour, put it in an advantageous
position in the market.  Eau-de-vie and Marc manufacturers in the south of
France almost certainly resented the presence of this flashy drink which was
favoured by the trendy artist crowd (and let's not forget that even today the
paysans in the south resent the city folk invading their lives).

   I must mention again that I'm not a doctor and I haven't tested A absinthium
for thujone.  However, there are numerous published findings from independent
medical sources which bring into question the toxicity levels in commercially
available absinthe (and unprocessed extract of Artemisia).

   As for your suggestion that Absinthe is addictive and hallucinogenic; perhaps
you know of a study on the hallucinogenic properties of Absinthe?  I remain
unaware of any evidence that distinguishes Absinthe from any other liquor -
either for addictive or hallucinogenic properties.  (Van Gogh chopping off his
ear doesn't count - he did, after all admit himself to an asylum and was
arguably insane before he began drinking absinthe)

   Despite being convinced that Absinthe is the victim of commercial propaganda,
I am open to information to the contrary; so if you can enlighten me, I would be
delighted.

   Peace and light,

   Steve




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   ~ Kahlil Gibran



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### I do think that I have some knowledge of what I'm doing.  Wolf ###
___________________________

Hi Wolf, for every person who knows what they are doing there are a hundred who
do not.  The rule of thumb should always be toward caution.  Herbs have set me
free.  I once was enslaved to medico's and dying from so many drug interactions.
I took the bull by the horns and got control of my life again by getting rid of
manmade drugs (chemicals).  I learn something new everyday.  Keeps life
interesting.  Blessings always.
Micki




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### There are no simple tests. Please be careful with using plants that you
haven't identified or are not familiar with.  Frank ###
________________________

Thanks for bringing this up Frank.  I personally have poisoned myself twice by
being rash and thinking I knew what I was ingesting.  Be extremely careful
folks, even with a expert it's hard to be sure sometimes.  If I cannot properly
identify something for sure I skip it.  The strongest herbal tinctures can be
prepared from wild herbs, but you have to know what you are doing.  Blessings
always.

Micki





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Hi everyone ~
I'm Stella, plant scientist, herbalist, flower therapist and garden
designer residing in Victoria. For years I've studied herbs and their
actions on the human body and mind. I make my own tinctures from fresh
herbs to help my health. One herb I use on a daily basis is Artemisia
vulgaris, Mugwort, diluted with other 'menopausal' herbs. It too has
thujone, but in lower doses than those found in Artemisia absinthium.
Periodically, I take a break from it, leaving it out for a week or two.
I did research on Artemisia absinthium and yes, the properties of
thujone can be detrimental to one's health, including that of toxicity,
neurotoxicity, epileptigenic, and hallucinogenic. Following is the
excerpt from my query on the properties of thujone, from Dr. Duke's
Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Database.  It's a most interesting site
and my favourite resource for herbal chemical information. Check it out:

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chem-activities.pl

*Dr. Duke's
Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases*

*Biological Activities of THUJONE*

*Abortifacient*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Abortifacient>;

*Anthelmintic*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Anthelmintic>;

*Antibacterial*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Antibacterial>;

*Antiseptic*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Antiseptic>;

*Antispasmodic*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Antispasmodic>;
ED50=0.127 mg/ml;

*Cerebrodepressant*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Cerebrodepressant>;


*Convulsant*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Convulsant>;
40 mg/kg;

*Counterirritant*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Counterirritant>;


*Emmenagogue*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Emmenagogue>;

*Epileptigenic*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Epileptigenic>;

*Hallucinogenic*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Hallucinogenic>;

*Herbicide*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Herbicide>;
IC50=22 mM;

*Neurotoxic*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Neurotoxic>;

*Perfumery*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Perfumery>;

*Pesticide*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Pesticide>;

*Respirainhibitor*
<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Respirainhibitor>;


*Toxic* <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chemical_activity.pl?Toxic>;

Fri Jan 5 18:53:12 EST 2007

Please send questions and comments to:

*James** **A. Duke*
Green Farmacy Garden
8210 Murphy Road
Fulton, MD 20759


or *Mary Jo Bogenschutz* (E-Mail: godwinm001@...
<mailto:godwinm001@...>)

Dr. Duke does not recommend self diagnosis or self medication. Please
see the disclaimer <http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/warning.html> for more
information.

This information found at:

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/chem-activities.pl

Wishing you the best,

Stella


~*~
icculus2000@... wrote:
> Hi Marcia,
>
>   As it happens, this came up in our thread a few months ago..
>   My position at the time was that I think one may find the actual thujone
levels in genuine Absinthe are not high enough to be considered harmful (thujone
is one of the alkaloids found in Artemisia absinthium, and is generally thought
to be the source of any "secondary effects" such as those supposedly experienced
by Lautrec and Van Gogh).  You may also find that that this misunderstanding
comes from misinformation distributed for political and economic competition in
the industry.
>   -As an aside, it must be noted that Absinthe (and its descendant, Pastis, or
Anise) have the almost unique property of going cloudy when mixed with ice
water.  This, in addition to Absinthe's green colour, put it in an advantageous
position in the market.  Eau-de-vie and Marc manufacturers in the south of
France almost certainly resented the presence of this flashy drink which was
favoured by the trendy artist crowd (and let's not forget that even today the
paysans in the south resent the city folk invading their lives).
>
>   I must mention again that I'm not a doctor and I haven't tested A absinthium
for thujone.  However, there are numerous published findings from independent
medical sources which bring into question the toxicity levels in commercially
available absinthe (and unprocessed extract of Artemisia).
>
>   As for your suggestion that Absinthe is addictive and hallucinogenic;
perhaps you know of a study on the hallucinogenic properties of Absinthe?  I
remain unaware of any evidence that distinguishes Absinthe from any other liquor
- either for addictive or hallucinogenic properties.  (Van Gogh chopping off his
ear doesn't count - he did, after all admit himself to an asylum and was
arguably insane before he began drinking absinthe)
>
>   Despite being convinced that Absinthe is the victim of commercial
propaganda, I am open to information to the contrary; so if you can enlighten
me, I would be delighted.
>
>   Peace and light,
>
>   Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I stayed in a number
of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned with a bedbug or two. Our doctor
and our dermatologist misdiagnosed the rashes we both got; the first diagnozed
an allergy and the second eczema because we have a very clean home! But, 3
months later and after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded
culprit. We think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the bite sites
please?


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No, I can't quote any sources, I just had some old information, probably
propaganda (LOL) but isn't Absinthe illegal in the U.S.?


---Marcia Cash
Traveler in Thyme
http://www.travelerinthyme.com


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First trial
topical Acetic acid  7%

Geir Flatabø

2007/1/6, Myke Ashley-Cooper <ashley.cooper@...>:
> On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I stayed in a
number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned with a bedbug or two. Our
doctor and our dermatologist misdiagnosed the rashes we both got; the first
diagnozed an allergy and the second eczema because we have a very clean home!
But, 3 months later and after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded
culprit. We think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the bite sites
please?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

An extremely effective and very safe tincture to use is Quassia
(Picrasma quassioides).

I have used this on a number of occasions to rid children of body
parasites, particularly head lice, and it has yet to fail.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "Geir Flatabø" <geirf@...> wrote:
>
> First trial
> topical Acetic acid  7%
>
> Geir Flatabø
>
> 2007/1/6, Myke Ashley-Cooper <ashley.cooper@...>:
> > On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I
stayed in a number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned
with a bedbug or two. Our doctor and our dermatologist misdiagnosed
the rashes we both got; the first diagnozed an allergy and the second
eczema because we have a very clean home! But, 3 months later and
after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded culprit. We
think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the
bite sites please?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
>

You could also try essential oil of lavender and or geraniam about 6 drops in a
desertspoon full of base oil.
   Aub

Myke Ashley-Cooper <ashley.cooper@...> wrote:
           On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I stayed in
a number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned with a bedbug or two.
Our doctor and our dermatologist misdiagnosed the rashes we both got; the first
diagnozed an allergy and the second eczema because we have a very clean home!
But, 3 months later and after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded
culprit. We think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the bite sites
please?

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Uh....how do you think our ancestors learned which plants were poisonous?  They
watched who died, that's how.   Deadly nightshade is a tomato, and hemlock looks
just like parsley with purple spots.

We have had abundant crops of datura these last few years, the kind with the big
white blossoms that smell so sweet in the moonlight.  Don Juan's favourite.  
One evening I watched this funny looking bug doing a boogie dance in the white
powder that coated the inside of the jimson weed flower, he looked like he was
having a real good thyme!   The deer will eat them, occasionally, I wonder what
kinda trip they go on that night?   In the morning, when the blossoms start to
fade, the scent turns quite nasty, a sickly sweet whiff of death, just like the
promise of the high you get when smoking it, which I have never been foolish
enough to try.

I am a peppermint junkie, myself, live and breathe on the stuff or else die of
snot.  'snot no fun without your meds, man!

I am excited about Stella joining in.

---Marcia Cash
Traveler in Thyme
http://www.travelerinthyme.com


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Hi Myke,

I do not have experiences with bedbugs, but after many visits to a farm I hold
where the neighbour routinely lets go his cattle adhoc, I got first hand
experience with similarly insidious grass-lice.... which if not found... can
leave nasty infected bites that itch me for easily 9-10 days after being bitten.
You can first bathe in warm water and "sap" the infected areas with colloidal
oatmeal or cornstarch for its soothing, antipruritic properties.
Put on some "organic" herbal calamine lotion to help with the itching such as at
http://www.aubrey-organics.com/product1.cfm?product_id=050&cat=17.
Aloe vera gel raw, from the cool fridge is very good for me... and also...for
your tinctures, you may want to use chamomile flowers, tumeric leaves, but for a
repellent, to be used at night, (your bedfriends are nocturnal) you may want to
use tee tree oil, peppermint, lemongrass, pimento essential oils in a fine
castor oil base.

Poor farmers here use kerosene oil to kill  the buggers and to soothe itching,
but all I am telling you is done at your own risk.
I decline to give you a recipe, for repellent and tincture, but with some
foreknowledge, which you seem to have.. you should be able to figure it out.

I wear the oil when I go into the bushes, and it works for me!!


Mike, new member just subscribed in...
JAMAICA




--- Original Message -----
   From: Myke Ashley-Cooper
   To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:11 AM
   Subject: [pfaf] Tincture to cure itches?


   On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I stayed in a
number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned with a bedbug or two. Our
doctor and our dermatologist misdiagnosed the rashes we both got; the first
diagnozed an allergy and the second eczema because we have a very clean home!
But, 3 months later and after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded
culprit. We think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the bite sites
please?

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--- Dee Harris <corbywolf13@...> wrote:

> Then what would you suggest, Frank? Not using herbs
> at all? I'll have you know that I"ve been using
> herbs most of my life and that's 51 years worth. I
> do think that I have some knowledge of what I'm
> doing.

You have been lucky for 51 years then. A plant giving
a reaction on the skin certainly is suspect, some are
actually very nice to eat (like Urtica spp.).  But
there are enough plant poisons that don't give a
reaction on the skin (for example saponins). Some
poisons work slowly over a long period of time. As I
said there  are no simple test. I am very much for
using plants, a lot of chemical medicines are very
bad (= poisonous).

But before starting using plants (especially for
food or medicine) you have to be sure that
you have identified it correctly (use several books or
somebody that knows about plants). Also learn about
the plant (books, the PFAF database, use google).
Some medicinal plants are not suitable for self
medication, some plants might interact with
conventional medicines... Some plants are just
wonderfully effective and totally safe...

Plant toxicity is a difficult subject and
there seems to be quit a bit of wrong information
around. I wouldn't be surprised if the ethanol
in Absinthe would be more poisonous than the
thujone it contains.

I don't want to scare anyone out of using plants,
just to point out some wrong info. Especially people
who are just starting to learn about plants. I
remember
when I first came to The Field I got a bit carried
away with tasting all those nice plants and started
eating stuff that is not meant to be eaten (Senecio
jacobaea), it was a young one and I only took a little
bit, *without any ill effects*. If I hadn't learned
more about this plant and mixed in my daily salads, my
liver - and I - would be gone.

Frank.

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And you, Sir, have no idea of what you're talking about. I"ve studies herbs all
of my life. Grew up with them in fact. Just because you prefer to use chemicals
to natural forms of healing doesn't give you the right to tell someone that they
don't know what they're talking about.
   As for identification of plants, again, I've been doing this for more than
half a century. Maybe you think that your way is the only one, but it isn't.
   Wolf the herbalist

Frank <chaewen@...> wrote:
           --- Dee Harris <corbywolf13@...> wrote:

> Then what would you suggest, Frank? Not using herbs
> at all? I'll have you know that I"ve been using
> herbs most of my life and that's 51 years worth. I
> do think that I have some knowledge of what I'm
> doing.

You have been lucky for 51 years then. A plant giving
a reaction on the skin certainly is suspect, some are
actually very nice to eat (like Urtica spp.). But
there are enough plant poisons that don't give a
reaction on the skin (for example saponins). Some
poisons work slowly over a long period of time. As I
said there are no simple test. I am very much for
using plants, a lot of chemical medicines are very
bad (= poisonous).

But before starting using plants (especially for
food or medicine) you have to be sure that
you have identified it correctly (use several books or
somebody that knows about plants). Also learn about
the plant (books, the PFAF database, use google).
Some medicinal plants are not suitable for self
medication, some plants might interact with
conventional medicines... Some plants are just
wonderfully effective and totally safe...

Plant toxicity is a difficult subject and
there seems to be quit a bit of wrong information
around. I wouldn't be surprised if the ethanol
in Absinthe would be more poisonous than the
thujone it contains.

I don't want to scare anyone out of using plants,
just to point out some wrong info. Especially people
who are just starting to learn about plants. I
remember
when I first came to The Field I got a bit carried
away with tasting all those nice plants and started
eating stuff that is not meant to be eaten (Senecio
jacobaea), it was a young one and I only took a little
bit, *without any ill effects*. If I hadn't learned
more about this plant and mixed in my daily salads, my
liver - and I - would be gone.

Frank.

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datura - blooms at night sometimes called  - moon flowers -
it has the properties of a  hallucinate it can make you
very high also very sick and kill you its of the weed type
the traditional dosage is 8 of the seeds from the developed
seed pod it is my understanding that this dosage will
produce a delirium for about three days - mebob

On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 13:31 -0600, Traveler in Thyme wrote:
> Uh....how do you think our ancestors learned which plants were
> poisonous? They watched who died, that's how. Deadly nightshade is a
> tomato, and hemlock looks just like parsley with purple spots.
>
> We have had abundant crops of datura these last few years, the kind
> with the big white blossoms that smell so sweet in the moonlight. Don
> Juan's favourite. One evening I watched this funny looking bug doing a
> boogie dance in the white powder that coated the inside of the jimson
> weed flower, he looked like he was having a real good thyme! The deer
> will eat them, occasionally, I wonder what kinda trip they go on that
> night? In the morning, when the blossoms start to fade, the scent
> turns quite nasty, a sickly sweet whiff of death, just like the
> promise of the high you get when smoking it, which I have never been
> foolish enough to try.
>
> I am a peppermint junkie, myself, live and breathe on the stuff or
> else die of snot. 'snot no fun without your meds, man!
>
> I am excited about Stella joining in.
>
> ---Marcia Cash
> Traveler in Thyme
> http://www.travelerinthyme.com
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We all know what we know (each of us have our own bits of the cosmic puzzle) and
the brilliant thing about an email group such as this is that it allows us to
exchange our knowledge and experiences and learn from each other.
Dear Wolf, as a trained medical herbalist (now retired) I think that Frank was
wise to sound a serious note of caution. Most herbs are valuable healers, which
can often be used even long-term with great benefits, but there are enough
really powerful dangerous herbs to make it very important not just to know
whether a herb is poisonous or not, but also the exact dosages for particular
individuals, how often to take them, how long, in what combinations, and so on.
Just testing herbs on the skin on the inner elbow is just not good enough.
Dear Frank, at the same time, it is heartening to come accross someone like
Wolf, who has had a life-long relationship with herbs. Based on my own lifetime
experience I believe that being friends with the plants enhances their potency,
very much like any loving relationship enhances healing. It is not uncommon that
the plants give us the knowledge how we can work with them for healing, but this
is only possible if there is deep communication, familiarity and respect with
our plant-relatives. What works for some people can never really be recommended
as a general recipe for success.
In these days with so many really good books and also an absolute treasure of
information and pictures available on the Internet, no one needs to resort to
testing out themselves whether a herb is poisonous or not. Anyhow, even if you
could establish this by yourself (almost impossible since many toxins take time
to show their lethal effects), this tells you nothing about dosage (all
important in poisonous plants, which are often great healers in specific minute
dosages), how to use and prepare a particular herb, which can often be of vital
relevance in treating serious conditions, etc.etc.
In survival conditions, when you have to use unknown plants as food, it is
recommended practice to hold a small piece of plant material under the tongue,
where substances are relatively easily transferred to the bloodstream. You then
have to pay attention to what sensations this causes, locally and in the rest of
your body. But how could we possibly recommend this practice in a situation
where we have such an abundance of information all around us?
As someone, who has studied herbs and the culture of their use for many years, I
can say with some confidence that our original knowledge of the herbs did not
come from 'experimentation', as is commonly believed. All ancient cultures and
remaining indigenous cultures (eg. in the Amazon) tell us that this knowledge
was communicated to us by the plants themselves and after that of course the
ever increasing empirical experience of working with the plants. The trouble is
nowadays that people no longer have the sort of relationship with the natural
world where this is any longer a possibility, in which case please take your
guidance from established and proven traditions and research!.
What I would recommend is for anyone with a serious interest in plants (and the
above subject) to read Stephen Harrod Buhner books: "The Secret Teachings of
Plants: The Intelligence of the Heart in the Direct Perception of Nature" and
"The Lost Language of Plants: The Ecological Importance of Plant Medicines for
Life on Earth". Of course there are many knowledgeable good writers on the
subject, but this guy is really outstanding. He knows his subject and a lot of
other subjects besides. He is a rare combination of being thoroughly versed in
traditional ways of relating to plants, as well as being up to date with cutting
edge science. His research is immaculate. He's also an excellent writer (and
poet). But most important of all (in my opinion) he will help to change people's
relationships with plants (and with themselves).
Please Google him or look him for reviews. I believe his books are worth boxes
full of others.
Green leaves and Love, AnnaHummingtree

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Hi Steve and Lina,
Could you inform me about plants Veratrum album and Jaborandi ?
Mohammed Alal Khan


At 02:52 PM 1/2/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Lena,
>
>I was wondering if you might have a photo of this plant?
>I know of a few lemon-scented plants, but there's not much point in guessing.
>
>Hope you find it.
>
>Happy New Year,
>
>Peace,
>
>Steve
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I have found a supplier of Quassia. Is this tincture rubbed onto the body or
drunk?

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   From: bty840684
   To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:44 AM
   Subject: [pfaf] Re: Tincture to cure itches?


   An extremely effective and very safe tincture to use is Quassia
   (Picrasma quassioides).

   I have used this on a number of occasions to rid children of body
   parasites, particularly head lice, and it has yet to fail.

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   stayed in a number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned
   with a bedbug or two. Our doctor and our dermatologist misdiagnosed
   the rashes we both got; the first diagnozed an allergy and the second
   eczema because we have a very clean home! But, 3 months later and
   after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded culprit. We
   think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
   anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the
   bite sites please?
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Thanks all for the suggestions. I really appreciate the input of so many people
and will attempt to try some of the various remedies.
Regards from South Africa
Myke
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   From: Mike Barnett
   To: ashley.cooper@... ; ariel023@...
   Cc: pfaf@yahoogroups.com ; rarefruit@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:54 PM
   Subject: Re: [pfaf] Tincture to cure itches?


   Hi Myke,

   I do not have experiences with bedbugs, but after many visits to a farm I hold
where the neighbour routinely lets go his cattle adhoc, I got first hand
experience with similarly insidious grass-lice.... which if not found... can
leave nasty infected bites that itch me for easily 9-10 days after being bitten.
   You can first bathe in warm water and "sap" the infected areas with colloidal
oatmeal or cornstarch for its soothing, antipruritic properties.
   Put on some "organic" herbal calamine lotion to help with the itching such as
at http://www.aubrey-organics.com/product1.cfm?product_id=050&cat=17.
   Aloe vera gel raw, from the cool fridge is very good for me... and also...for
your tinctures, you may want to use chamomile flowers, tumeric leaves, but for a
repellent, to be used at night, (your bedfriends are nocturnal) you may want to
use tee tree oil, peppermint, lemongrass, pimento essential oils in a fine
castor oil base.

   Poor farmers here use kerosene oil to kill  the buggers and to soothe itching,
but all I am telling you is done at your own risk.
   I decline to give you a recipe, for repellent and tincture, but with some
foreknowledge, which you seem to have.. you should be able to figure it out.

   I wear the oil when I go into the bushes, and it works for me!!


   Mike, new member just subscribed in...
   JAMAICA




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     To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:11 AM
     Subject: [pfaf] Tincture to cure itches?


     On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I stayed in a
number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned with a bedbug or two. Our
doctor and our dermatologist misdiagnosed the rashes we both got; the first
diagnozed an allergy and the second eczema because we have a very clean home!
But, 3 months later and after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded
culprit. We think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching. Can
anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or the bite sites
please?

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Dear Sir,

We are pleased to inform you that a variety of Lemongrass, "HUNAR" has been
developed by us and has been duly validated by AMPRS, Lemongrass Research
Station, Odakalli, Asamanoor, Kerala Agriculture University, which is an
institution of International repute, vis-a-vis lemongrass research .
I was called to Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad for the
"Sristi-Sanman" award for innovative development of the varieties of lemongrass.

The links validating above info are as below-

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http://www.indianexpress.com/story/17151.html

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  We are now willing to undertake extensive cultivation of lemongrass and can
provide a buy-back arrangement as per the under-mentioned blog. A soft copy of
the proposal is attached in word format, for your kind perusal---



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Thanking You.



Yours truly,



Gurpreet Singh


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The quassia is rubbed onto the affected parts of the body and not
washed off for a couple of days. It has a bitter flavour and acts as
a deterrent as well as a parasiticide. You may need to give a second
treatment 2 - 3 days later if there is the possibility of eggs on the
body that could hatch after the adults have been killed.
Quassia is also occasionally used internally as a liver tonic, but
there are probably better hers to use this way.

--- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "Myke Ashley-Cooper" <ashley.cooper@...>
wrote:
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> I have found a supplier of Quassia. Is this tincture rubbed onto
the body or drunk?
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: bty840684
>   To: pfaf@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:44 AM
>   Subject: [pfaf] Re: Tincture to cure itches?
>
>
>   An extremely effective and very safe tincture to use is Quassia
>   (Picrasma quassioides).
>
>   I have used this on a number of occasions to rid children of body
>   parasites, particularly head lice, and it has yet to fail.
>
>   --- In pfaf@yahoogroups.com, "Geir Flatabø" <geirf@> wrote:
>   >
>   > First trial
>   > topical Acetic acid  7%
>   >
>   > Geir Flatabø
>   >
>   > 2007/1/6, Myke Ashley-Cooper <ashley.cooper@>:
>   > > On a recent trip to Namibia from South Africa, my wife and I
>   stayed in a number of Bed & Breakfast establishments and returned
>   with a bedbug or two. Our doctor and our dermatologist
misdiagnosed
>   the rashes we both got; the first diagnozed an allergy and the
second
>   eczema because we have a very clean home! But, 3 months later and
>   after using many products in vain, we found the dreaded culprit.
We
>   think we've eradicated the little devil but are still itching.
Can
>   anyone recommend a herbal tincture to rid us of the itches and/or
the
>   bite sites please?
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