I would like to discuss a possible humorous spiritual scenario that will exist at the time of the end, when the Jews convert.
Before that, let me summarize the above article.
The Saints in general walk the same spiritual path, Three States, or Stages
The Catholic Church has studied the lives of its countless saints. A general pattern has emerged and etched its way into Catholic spirituality forever. In general, those saints that live a fuller life walk the "Way of the Saint", the Three Ways, or States, which are:
The Purgative The Illuminative The Unitive
Now it must be said that although the above three ways can overlap significantly in the saints life (that is, the saint may experience all of these ways at certain points in their life), nevertheless, these three ways, in a larger sense, succeed one another in greater stages from end to finish, that is, from the conversion of the saint to death.
In other words, whereas individual ways may sometimes contain occurences of the other two, the saint will follow these greater stages in the order above, that is, they will traverse three successive stages in their life, first the purgative way, in a larger sense, then the illuminative way [in a larger sense], and finally the unitive way. The unitive way many times concludes in "martyrdom", whether literal or of the bed, after which the saint's life ends and passes into eternity, the next world.
It must also be mentioned that within each way, a major dark "night" is present, which mainly involves the loss of consolations. In the Purgative way, it is the dark night of the senses, in the Illuminative way, the dark night of the soul, and in the Unitive way, the martyrdom [literal or of the bed].
The Purgative way is characterized by being a beginner, which involves severe penance, the pain of the flesh resisting the incoming spirit. In this stage, the saint must beat his body into subjection to the spirit, as St. Paul says, so as to gain mastery of their primary sinful tendencies. The dark night of the senses is then the supreme conclusion of this way, a brutal suffering from the physical pain that attends attempting to root the greater more serious sinful tendencies.
Once the terrible dark night of the senses is through, the Saint emerges into the Illuminative way. In the Illuminative way, the saint is now no longer a beginner but proficient, however lacking perfection, which only comes in the unitive way. In the Illuminative way, as it is described, the saint is ever "illumined" by God's truth, probing the depths of God's mysteries, that is, growing in the contemplation of the Divine Wisdom and Mysteries. There are various periods of consolations and desolations, spiritually speaking, but the climax of the illuminative way is again a darkness, like the Purgative way, although in this case, it is the dark night of the soul, when God withdraws all consolation in the deep profundity of the saint's relationship with God. Here, all the depth the saint has pondered shall seem a lie, a terrible dry period.
But once the threshold of this night is crossed, the saint comes into the final way, the Unitive. This is a glorious period of spiritual light, the truths of God vindicated, and the saint now more or less perfectly holy, walking in all ways in God's will, and fully prepared to do whatever God wills for the saint. In this stage, every step the saint takes is with God. But a darkness lies at the end of this greater light, as with the others, in this case, a martyrdom, whether literal or of the bed [severe and painful illness that leads to death].
Of course, after death, there is the new age, heaven, eternity.
The Way of the Saints is the Way of the People of God, both Old and New Testaments
Now, the crux of the theory of how the Jews will convert is based on the following premise: if it is true that the ways of the saint are observed as a near whole amongst those that live a fuller life, is it not plausible to conjecture that this very way is a necessary path for a creature of God to take in the spiritual journey in fallen world?
If this is true, how much more so should we extrapolate to say that if the laws of the interplay between grace and the holy one in a fallen world are fixed according to the above stages, so also must the People of God, HISTORICALLY, follow the same path relative to the fallen world. This is the crux of the theory, and from it, we have a common sense suggestion of how to solve the mystery of what will eventually enable the Jews to convert.
And how will they? Simple. If the People of God who journey through a major revelatory covenant must necessarily traverse the path of the saint on a macro-historical scale, then, by way of implication, the Jews did, and so will the Church.
And if that is true, the answer is before us: the mystery of the Redemption as revealed by Christ is that Redemption is ultimately wrought through spiritual renewal, that is, the remaking of the inner man. But God could not communicate such mystery immediately to the human race, given their materialistic tendencies in the earlier stages of salvation history following the Fall. For this reason, in order to meet man where He is at, God institutes to a remnant nation, a prefiguring Covenant that uses the very material components of this world to point to the spiritual mystery of inner renewal.
However, as we know, the People of the Prefiguring fail to accept that their Covenant was only a prelude to point to the spiritual reality, and so fail to accept the Unveiling when it comes to them [Christ's First Coming].
And yet, the Jews, unknown to most of them, have already traversed the path of inner renewal as a historical way from Abraham to Maccabbees, and so the seed of their future conversion is veiled in their very walk with God throught those ages.
And hence, what shall open the eyes of the Jews is to see the spiritual mystery of their way fulfilled by the Gentiles and the Catholic Church, so that, in being fulfilled, they are able to recognize the Divine Mystery that could not see when it came to them originally.
Here are the ways, the major ages of the Jews:
The Purgative way and Dark Night of the Senses: Egypt Enslaves
The Illuminative Way and Dark Night of the Soul: the Prophets in Israel and culminating intermediate apostasy of the Jews prior to the Exile
The Unitive Way and Martyrdom: the Exile (vindicating the Prophets), Repentance and Restoration to the Land and period spiritual wholeness, followed by the historical martrydom, OT Antichrist and Maccabbees.
Now, as we know that Maccabbees, the story of the ultimate trial of the Jews prior to Christ (in which the vicious, blaspheming Antichrist, Antiochus IV Epiphanies attempted to impose paganism on the Jews or face horrible torture and death), is the final historical book of the Old Testament prior to Christ, so we see that the next major history after that Maccabbees, or martyrdom for the Jews, is indeed the "next world", the Coming of Christ, the NEW age, even as after marytrdom in the unitive way the saint passes into the next age, heaven.
Now, for the Church:
Purgative Way and Dark Night of the Senses: Pagan Rome persecutes
Illuminative Way and Dark Night of the Soul: The Church's Doctrinal Development, from Constantine, down to our modern age, culminating with the modern, intermediate Secular Apostasy
Unitive Way and Martyrdom: The Minor Chastisement (vindicating Catholic Revelation) and Restoration of Catholic Christendom (the age of peace that is coming according to the mystics), followed by the Great Apostasy and Persecutions of NT Antichrist.
And, again, just as martyrdom concludes the life of the saint and he crosses the threshold into the next world, so also after the Catholic Church passes through the final segment of the unitive way, the martyrdom under the fierce NT Antichrist, shall they pass into the next world, the Second Coming of Christ.
Now, for the humor. We see that as the Church enters the final age of her history, the Great Apostasy and NT Antichrist, it is this final stage of fulfillment of Jewish History that opens the eyes of the Jews to see that the Gentiles and Catholic Church will have arrived at the very same point that the Jews were, spiritually speaking, just before the Messiah came the first time.
And how? Well, simple. In Maccabbees, the final history of the Jews, a blasphemous Gentile attempted to force apostasy on the Jews or else face brutal torture and death. Further, this horrendous ruler, Antiochus, was called Epiphanies because He claimed deity.
Now consider the plight of the Catholic Church just prior to Christ's Second Coming. Firstly, we can note that some Fathers foresee the NT Antichrist as being himself a secular Jew. Consider, therefore, assuming such a scenario, how the tables are turned: A merely Secular Jew attempting to impose on a minority of Gentiles apostasy from the New Covenant [Catholicism] or else face torture and death.
From this scenario, I pose a great Divine Joke that the Successor of St. Peter shall play, inspired by the Holy Spirit to hasten in the conversion of the most stubborn people on Earth, the Jews.
Now, we must recall that on many occasions in Maccabbees, the OT Antichrist Antiochus would use the temptation of pork, a forbidden meat to the Jews, to seduce apostasy, in that, on one occasion, Antiochus horrifically tortured seven brothers before their mother because they refused to partake of the forbidden meat.
Now, here, of course, is the irony, and one of the central questions the Jews do not understand: God's division of animals into clean and unclean was merely ceremonial and a primary aspect of God using material things to foreshadow the spiritual. For in the future Acts of the Apostles, Christ appears to St. Peter in a vision with many "unclean" [by the Old, Mosaic Law] animals, and is commanded to kill and eat. Peter exclaims, "But, Lord, these are unclean." Christ responds, "There is nothing unclean that I have not declared unclean." The connotation is that, in the end, no one animal on earth is any more unclean than another, INTRINSICALLY. What truly matters, as was intended to be revealed in the New, is the inner heart of a man. For, in the end, it is not those who are physically clean who shall enter heaven, but only those who are spiritually clean, in the state of love.
Hence, as the apostle repeatedly points out, it is a faith that loves God in the heart that truly matters, and not mere external rituals.
For this reason, can we not foresee the Papacy to give a final revelation to the Jews, a little puzzle to figure out: He shall change (because it is discipline, which is mutable) the Friday penance, so that Catholics can ONLY eat PORK on Friday, and no OTHER meat.
Now think of the humor of this, foreseeing the reaction of the NT Antichrist, a wicked secular Jew who understand the New Covenant but rejects it for fruitless rituals. He, therefore, shall persecute the Christians on Friday as follows:
He shall lay out before the Catholic to be tortured all the meats of all CLEAN species in the Old Law, and command the Christian, one by one. At each step, if the Catholic refuses, the men of antichrist shall exercise a brutal torture. And having refused to consume all of them, the Catholic will be killed.
Of course, since Catholics can partake of ANY meat on any other day, the Antichrist will torture only according to dogma on the other days apart from Friday, going down all dogmatic declarations of the Church with respective tortures, just as he does with the meats on Friday.
The Jew will, of course, consider this scenario with utter amazement. He says to himself:
"See these Gentiles, on Fridays, the ruler of this world does not ask them to eat anything unclean, and yet they refuse to the consequence of horrible torture. And yet, if they were asked to eat the supremely unclean meat, they would gladly. This is absurd.
"And even beyond this, this is only FRIDAYS, which is no special day. Whereas on other days, he eats as he pleases, clean and unclean alike. Who are these hypocrites? And yet, on all other days, they pass through sufferings incomprehensible, and over what, matters of SPIRITUAL doctrine."
And if the Jews can sort out this little puzzle, they will have solved the mystery of the world that God would make and redeem, leading a first group into some revelation, but who shall accept the fullness of such only as last, and a last group into some revelation, but the first to take it all in fullness!
And each person whose heart motivated him came. Exodus 35:21
Creating the tabernacle was a first-time historical event --
no one had ever done it before! Therefore it took courage to step up to the
plate and try to help out. Similarly, if we look at really successful people,
we will see that they always have great initiative. It takes courage and a
strong internal drive to accomplish truly meaningful things in life!
Dear group,
Did you ever hear the story of the man a few hundred years ago who complained to
his friend that his house was too small. His friend advised him to bring the
chickens into the house. Not really understanding, he took the advice, but after
a few days complained that he could barely tolerate the smell and the mess of
the chickens! His friend simply responded by advising him to bring the dog and
cat into the house as well. By the next day things were awful, all the animals
were fighting and there was barely any space left to move. He ran back to his
friend, who, shockingly, advised him to bring in one of the cows! He went home
and took the advice, but early the next morning came back -- it was too much!
His friend then advised him to take all the animals out of the house. This
created such a comparatively peaceful environment, the man was ecstatic with his
once "too small" home!
Blessings, Angelica
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The days of Creation and the Beast seem aptly suited to symbolize the necessary template of any Created World's trajectory of Salvation history
Let us summarize what we have seen. The greater ages of Salvation History would always be eight, from the Fall to the New Creation inclusive.Each age is a "day": first spiritual darkness, then spiritual light.
The ages before and including the first Coming of the Incarnate One are five and ALWAYS five, no less, no more.
The ages of the New Covenant are three, no more, no less.
The theology of the Ages of Old is this:
The five ages of the Old Law are divided into two and three.
The first two ages of the Old Law are called preeminent and are humanity's pursuit of the two primary lies of the Fall that summarize all iniquity, each respectively followed by a positive Divine Intervention, a wound to this fallen nature, if you will.
These two stages are anti-Baptism , followed the Baptism of the world [the Flood], then anti-Marriage --the Whore, where humanity unites in selfish ambition to spiritually "fornicate" with the world (materialism), rather than to seek the eternal marriage with God, that is, spiritual infatuation with the Crea TION rather than seeking the ultimate union with the Crea TOR --followed by the division of humanity through the confounding of human communication, so as to provide for God's Marriage to the prefiguring People, the Hebrews.
The succeeding three ages are for this very People of God of the Prefiguring Covenant and are none other than the way of the individual New Covenant saint in a marco-historical form for the People of Old. These ages are the purgative , the illuminative , and the unitive .
Consequently, because the saint has reached his ultimate holiness in martyrdom, the climax of the unitive way, so after the Holy Ones of Old pass through their associated martyrdom, the time is ripe for the Coming of the Incarnate One, seeing as the unitive way concludes the spiritual journey of the saint, and hence of the People of God.
And then the Theology of the three ages of the New Covenant is this:
The three ages of the New Covenant people are ALSO the way of the saint, just like the People of Old. That is, the entire People of the New Covenant HISTORICALLY journey the path that is common to all their saints! These three ages then succeed the Coming of Incarnate One, the purgative, illuminative, and unitive for the New People.
And just as the time was ripe for the FIRST Coming of the Christ after the People of OLD completed the unitive way, so the SECOND Coming of Christ shall be ripe when the People of the NEW complete the unitive way, the completion of the unitive way being in both cases the martyrdom, or persecutions of Antichrist.
Why, we must first ask, do the People of Old mainly reject the New when it is given? Well, for the same reasons as the fallen nature's way in the beginning: humanity is severely materialistic in the fallen nature. Hence, the very Old Covenant that used the things of the material world to image and foreshadow what will be the New fulfillments must necessarily be taken, by the very Prefiguring People, as an end unto itself , seeing as they shall cling to the merely material components. That is, precisely because of the tendency of fallen man to take the material world as its own end, so the majority of the Prefiguring People shall take their covenant as though it is itself the final bug, failing, therefore, to recognize that it was only to FORESHADOW the ultimate Revelation and grace to come.
Therefore, from all eternity, the cry of the High Priest of "blasphemy" when the Incarnate One stands before the hypocrite and states that He himself is the maker of all things, the God of Heaven and Earth, is predestined in any world . It cannot be helped. For the People of Old have only been told there is ONE God. Hence, when it is revealed that God is Three Divine Persons in One Divine Nature, they cannot handle it. For them, it is paganism. Similarly also, in the wake of the antichrist of Old, who claimed deity, they shall see the claim of the Christ as along the same order. For, how can the unseen God be a man?
For this reason, the majority of the Holy Ones of the Old shall not accept the Messias when He comes.
But, alas, how shall they believe? Well, if the Christ said that no other sign shall be given than the sign of Jonah, and since the sign of Jonah was fulfilled in the Christ and yet the Jews rejected Him, how else shall they believe except to see the same sign fulfilled in the Christ's People? Which is to say, what was lacking in the sufferings of Christ shall be filled up in His Body, the Church.
Which is to say, already, the People of Old walked according to the sign of Jonah, three days and three nights, the way of the saint. But they, out of materialistic blindness, do not understand this and so, as the Incarnate One shall literally fill up in His Deified flesh these signs, it is yet too soon and specific for the Prefigured People to recognize the mystery.
BUT, when the same three days and nights of the Jewish Way are traversed by the People of New, shall the eyes of those of the Ones of the Prefigurement be opened, so that, in seeing the final age come to fulfillment, the NT Antichrist, standing relative to the Church as the OT Antichrist stood relative to the People of Old, shall their eyes be opened, so that they shall exclaim, as the St. Mary Magdalene, "Rabboni", which means, "teacher".
Or, in another way, even as the Mother of the Incarnate One and her earthly spouse do not find their Divine Son until after three days and three nights, after which the Son pleads, "Did you not know that I must be in my Father's House and about His business?", so also shall the People of Old look for the Saving One all those three ages, the three lights and darknesses, and only after the three ages do they find him in the Church, to which the Christ shall respond, "Where else did you think I would be but about my Father's business, redeeming the Gentiles, in my Father's House, the New Temple of God, the Catholic Church?".
The Days of Creation Mirror the Greater Ages that would Always Be
This is then the meaning of the days of creation and the beast.
For, in both cases, the days of the creation week are seven, and the heads of the beast are seven.
And in both cases, the days and heads are extended to eight.
How? Tradition extends the sabbath of Old to the Sabbath of New. That is, the last day is not the seventh but the eighth.
For just as the Christ rose on the eighth day, so then the eighth day became the New Sabbath, an image of the reality that, on the last day of human history, the whole world shall rise unto the Eternal Resurrection, the just, to the Resurrection of Life, the damned, unto damnation.
And herein is also the meaning of the sabbaths: there are TWO sabbaths of salvation history, and not merely one. For if the Resurrection from the dead is the ultimate rest from the sin of history, in that all the Just shall definitely rest in the Eternal New Creation forever, never again to have thier rest be disturbed by sin and anguish, it follows that there must be a meaning of the seventh day sabbath. And there is.
For, in the seventh darkness of salvation history, it is the dark night of the soul of the New People, where the Gentiles have turned aside from the New Covenant and into wickedness, even as the People of Old had turned aside from the Old Covenant in the dark night of the soul of the Just of the Old People. And even as the People of Old were carried away into exile, a Chastisement, and were converted through the pain they deserved back to God's love, subsequently leading them into the unitive way, a restoration to their Home, so also shall it be with the Gentiles.
Which is to say, the Gentiles, having become severely unfaithful to the Incarnate One's Covenant, shall be chastised by the consequences of their sins, so that they, too, when they experience the pain they have brought upon themselves, shall repent and return to the fullness of God, even the covenant of the Incarnate One. And so, having been restored, since it is the majority of the nations, there shall be peace and rest from sin for a long time, the time of the unitive way of the New Covenant. So that, therefore, the seventh light of human history is a veritable rest from the sin of history, if even imperfect.
The Beast Mirrors the Greater Ages that would Always Be
The meaning of the beast is similar, and explicit to Scripture. That is, the beast's kings are explicitly extended to eight in the Apocalypse. Here is the Scripture:
Apoc. 17:1-11
<QUOTE:> And there came one of the seven angels, who had the seven vials, and spoke with me, saying: Come, I will shew thee the condemnation of the great harlot, who sitteth upon many waters, 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication; and they who inhabit the earth, have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredom. 3 And he took me away in spirit into the desert. And I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was clothed round about with purple and scarlet, and gilt with gold, and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, full of the abomination and filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: A mystery; Babylon the great, the mother of the fornications, and the abominations of the earth. 6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And I wondered, when I had seen her, with great admiration. 7 And the angel said to me: Why dost thou wonder? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which thou sawest, was, and is not, and shall come up out of the bottomless pit, and go into destruction: and the inhabitants on the earth (whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world) shall wonder, seeing the beast that was, and is not. 9 And here is the understanding that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman sitteth, and they are seven kings: 10 Five are fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he is come, he must remain a short time. 11 And the beast which was, and is not, the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction </QUOTE>
The closing verses veil the mystery:
"Five are fallen": Five great spiritual darknesses precede the Incarnate One, in the wake of the time in which St. John writes. Anti-Baptism (Noah's day) Anti-Marriage (Tower of Babel) Dark night of senses of the Old Cov (Egypt's Enslavement) Dark night of soul of the Old Cov (Intermediate Jewish Unfaithfulness prior to the Exile) Martrydom of the Old Cov (OT Antichrist, Antiochus [Maccabees])
"One is": Dark night of the senses for the New Cov (Pagan Rome persecutes the Church)
"The other has not yet come": Dark night of the soul for the New Cov (the Minor Secular Apostasy [our current time])
"The beast which was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven": Martyrdom of the New Covenant, that is, the great apostasy and NT Antichrist.
"The beast was and is not": The beast, or fallen nature, was, or reigned, in the beginning of history, and in general for most of the Old Covenant history.
It reigned in the supreme sense before the Flood because the whole world was wicked and God had done nothing to redeem the world. With the Flood, the beast began to be "not", because God was already starting the process of Redemption.
The beast also "was" for most of the Old Testament, because most of humanity, the Gentiles, walked in darkness until Christ. But, with the Coming of Christ, which had just come to pass in St. Johns' time of writing, the Redemption of the world was under full swing, the fullness of Divine Revelation and Grace unfolding to the whole world and not merely to the Jews. For this reason, especially in the New Covenant, the beast "is not".
But in the eighth king, the beast shall come back, the fallen nature once again reigning in the great apostasy, where humanity will have fully digested the fullness of God's love and truth and irrevocably turned aside from it, never again to be healed. Therefore, in the very end, the beast "is again."
As for the beast being "of the seven", this simply means that the fallen nature, which is what the beast is in the larger sense, is the same spirit and essence of all stages .
Remember, we have seen that anti-Baptism and anti-Marriage are the basis of all that is wicked and are a profound meaning of the false prophet. It is therefore these same two overarching principles of the fallen nature that are "of" ALL of the stages of the beast. Same old same old.
Thnx, for listening to this public service announcement.:D
--- In parousia@yahoogroups.com, "e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n" <rocsy@...> wrote:
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> Clarence,
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> Have you been consistent in predicting this? Who are the other seven?
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> Hello,
First off let me say that I have been consistant with attempting to evaluate all
that Gods word has to say...follow my logic in the below post.
Hello Gang,
Looking closely at The two primary passages dealing with the power and
authority of The Beast and his Kingdoms A picture can be formed that aligns
pretty well with today's political environment.
The two passages I am referring to are Daniel 7 and Revelation 17 lets look at
them.....In the opening verses Daniel sees activity among some angelic beings
known as the "FOUR WINDS" and they are causing a political climate(s) to come
into being in the form of 4 beasts.
DANIEL 7:4-8
"THE FIRST WAS LIKE A LION AND HAD THE WINGS OF AN EAGLE.I KEPT LOOKING
UNTIL ITS WINGS WERE PLUCKED AND IT WAS LIFTED UP FROM THE GROUND AND MADE TO
STAND ON TWO FEET LIKE A MAN; A HUMAN MIND ALSO WAS GIVEN TO IT."
"AND BEHOLD, ANOTHER BEAST, A SECOND ONE, RESEMBLING A BEAR AND IT WAS
RAISED UP ON ONE SIDE,AND THREE RIBS WERE IN ITS MOUTH BETWEEN ITS TEETH;AND
THUS THEY(the four winds) SAID TO IT,ARISE AND DEVOUR MUCH MEAT!"
"AFTER THIS I KEPT LOOKING, AND BEHOLD ANOTHER ONE, LIKE A LEOPARD,WHICH
HAD ON ITS BACK FOUR WINGS OF A BIRD;THE BEAST ALSO HAD FOUR HEADS,AND DOMINION
WAS GIVEN TO IT."
"AFTER THIS I KEPT LOOKING IN THE NIGHT VISIONS,AND BEHOLD,A FOURTH BEAST
DREADFUL AND TERRIFYING AND EXTREMELY STRONG; AND IT HAD LARGE IRON TEETH.IT
DEVOURED AND CRUSHED, AND TRAMPLED DOWN THE REMAINDER WITH ITS FEET; AND IT WAS
DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE BEASTS THAT WERE BEFORE IT, AND IT HAD TEN HORNS."
Before I move on to the next verse and Revelation passage lets consider for a
moment what we see...Daniel sees ANGELS Causing the rising of FOUR earthly
kingdoms, lets reduce this to an even broader concept...DANIEL sees the ANGELS
arranging FOUR VARIOUS POLITICAL CONCEPTS OR IDEOLOGIES. which result in a basis
for the individual Kingdoms to rule I.E
DEMOCRACY-IMPERIALISM-SOCIALISM-COMMUNISM/ATHEISM.
Now if we examine HISTORY as we go back most if not all ruling powers held to
at least some "SPIRITUAL" concepts That is to say held a belief in some higher
power governing the affairs of men. during the GREEK and ROMAN empires the GODS
were reduced to a pseudo Mortality and took on the very image of MAN. out of the
Roman empire several Political ideologies arose including COMMUNISM AND
SOCIALISM, both predominately secular and without belief in a higher authority.
Verse 7 states "TRAMPLED DOWN THE REMAINDER" We see this again in the
interpretation in verse 19, but what is meant by "THE REMAINDER"? By comparing
this same scenario with what REV 17 says I think it becomes clear that it is
referring to the Other three Political Ideologies!
so if that is correct the Kingdoms that are subdued or uprooted are not by
necessity part of the TEN HORNS as we will see once again by the REV 17 passage,
instead it is the SUBDUING OF ONE POLITICAL IDEOLOGY OVER ALL THE OTHERS WITHIN
A WORLD VIEW!
now lets look at the second passage in REVELATION
REVELATION 17:11-13
"AND THE BEAST WHICH WAS AND IS NOT,IS HIMSELF ALSO AND EIGHTH,AND IS ONE
OF THE SEVEN, AND HE GOES TO DESTRUCTION."
"AND THE TEN HORNS WHICH YOU SAW ARE TEN KINGS,WHO HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED A
KINGDOM,BUT THEY RECEIVE AUTHORITY AS KINGS WITH THE BEAST FOR ONE HOUR."
"THESE HAVE ONE PURPOSE AND THEY GIVE THEIR POWER AND AUTHORITY TO THE
BEAST."
Observations, clearly a parallel passage to Daniel, quick comparison indicates
that that we do not see the 3 previous beasts as mentioned in Daniel I.E
LION-BEAR-LEOPARD. The only Beast in view here is THE SCARY BEAST and its TEN
HORNS not that He doesn't subdue any of the TEN but THEY ALL give their power to
HIM willingly.
close look at Daniel in comparison with Revelation, also seems to imply that
the former is dealing with EMPIRES and latter is equating the EMPIRES with their
specific rulers.
Something else to consider briefly is the statement seen in Verse 12 of Rev 17
"...WHO HAVE [b][u]NOT YET[/u][/b] RECEIVED A KINGDOM..." this is indicating
that these were kingdoms or rulers that had not been or were not in power at the
time of Johns writing. we also see the phrase "...FOR ONE HOUR." which can only
mean that they come into being as a ruling body or kingdom for a very short
time!!!
Keeping this in mind.....what exists today that is a world political
force...that did not exist in Bible times and has only been around for a very
short time in modern times...and consists of 10 nations? or if that number is
figurative which is a possibility, is about to or has given over their power to
an individual!
GOD-BLESS,
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!
Clarence
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> --- In parousia@yahoogroups.com, cunningham clarence <oneslickpig@> wrote:
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> > Hello Gang,
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> > The urgency of my feelings of the approaching MID POINT of the 70th week
seems to be justified in a couple of under looked at prophetic texts.
> >
> > In the book of Daniel the A/C is said to uproot 3 nations.....I would
believe this to be the USA-CHINA-RUSSIA and it is about to happen by means of
the COPENHAGEN summit.
> >
> > the second passage that I believe we can look at for further evidence is
ROMANS 1 where depraved people are said to worship the creation in place of the
creator....THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY!!!!
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> > The Olivet Discourse speaks of the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot....many
people attempt to understand that warning by means of the activities mentioned,
but let me propose that in the context it is not the activities that should be
the focus but the lack of mans reliance on GOD and his becoming self reliant.
this goes along with the Romans passage as well as the judgment that befell
these two ancient societies. When each had given in to their own lusts and
perversions and had become a society(s) that had completely abandoned GOD he
sent judgment......this is what is meant by the passage in Matthew 24 the last
days will be a period of complete abandonment of GOD save for (the elect) and
will be given entirely over to EVOLUTIONARY thinking with self satisfaction and
severe sexual perversion permeating the day.
> >
> > The apostasy will occur as the great delusion sent by God occurs at the
revealing of the AC and THE ELECT both of ISRAEL and the CHURCH will refuse to
acquiesce to the demands for worship and compliance. this is also why the two
illustrations of severe persecution are found in the predominately prophetic
text of Daniel (the fire furnace & the Lions den)! It is an illustration of GODS
ability to protect even under what seemly stand as inescapable peril.
> >
> > GOD-BLESS,
> >
> > THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!
> >
> > Clarence
> >
>
Clarence,
Have you been consistent in predicting this? Who are the other seven?
--- In parousia@yahoogroups.com, cunningham clarence <oneslickpig@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Gang,
>
> The urgency of my feelings of the approaching MID POINT of the 70th week
seems to be justified in a couple of under looked at prophetic texts.
>
> In the book of Daniel the A/C is said to uproot 3 nations.....I would believe
this to be the USA-CHINA-RUSSIA and it is about to happen by means of the
COPENHAGEN summit.
>
> the second passage that I believe we can look at for further evidence is
ROMANS 1 where depraved people are said to worship the creation in place of the
creator....THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY!!!!
>
> The Olivet Discourse speaks of the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot....many
people attempt to understand that warning by means of the activities mentioned,
but let me propose that in the context it is not the activities that should be
the focus but the lack of mans reliance on GOD and his becoming self reliant.
this goes along with the Romans passage as well as the judgment that befell
these two ancient societies. When each had given in to their own lusts and
perversions and had become a society(s) that had completely abandoned GOD he
sent judgment......this is what is meant by the passage in Matthew 24 the last
days will be a period of complete abandonment of GOD save for (the elect) and
will be given entirely over to EVOLUTIONARY thinking with self satisfaction and
severe sexual perversion permeating the day.
>
> The apostasy will occur as the great delusion sent by God occurs at the
revealing of the AC and THE ELECT both of ISRAEL and the CHURCH will refuse to
acquiesce to the demands for worship and compliance. this is also why the two
illustrations of severe persecution are found in the predominately prophetic
text of Daniel (the fire furnace & the Lions den)! It is an illustration of GODS
ability to protect even under what seemly stand as inescapable peril.
>
> GOD-BLESS,
>
> THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!
>
> Clarence
>
Hello Gang,
The new release "2012" a movie based on the MAYAN prophecy of the end of the
world has hit the theaters and I believe provides an excellent opportunity to
witness...on SATURDAY this weekend I am going to go to Our local Cinema (cinema
carousel) with some books and information concerning GODS plan for the
END-TIMES. I have included in this email a tract that I have written and will
distribute along with A booklet provided by The VanKampen group.
Anyone wishing to join me in this event or holding their own in your respective
cities, please feel free to EMAIL me or COPY the tract below adapting it to your
own cities and names.
I plan to go to see the movie during one of the early Matinee showings and
remain after to speak to and hand out the pamphlets and tract.
GOD-BLESS,
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!
Clarence
END OF THE WORLD: FACT OR FICTION?
As the world spins seemingly out of control, Issues such as, GLOBAL
WARMING…ECONOMIC FAILURE…FAMINE/HUNGER…DEPLETION OF NATURAL
RESOURCES….RISE OF DISEASE AND HEALTH CONCERNS, continue to escalate with
alarming speed. A growing concern is rapidly unfolding on the world’s
population as to, what does the future hold for us and our children?
People are seeking answers and solutions from a variety of sources and
perspectives, POLITICS, ECONOMIC STIMULOUS, RELIGION, TOLERANCE AND UNITY,
GLOBALISM, and other idealistic concepts.
A common concern and fear on the hearts of most is “HOW & WHEN WILL ALL
THESE ISSUES BE RESOLVED? “The answers to these questions are being sought out
through many of the avenues that were mentioned above. A great longing for any
means to resolve these matters is eagerly emerging within the hearts & minds of
people all around the globe.
The reality of the situation can not be ignored; the questions & concerns
being considered are valid and deserve answers!
Did you know that most of these issues & fears that the world is now facing
are dealt with and spoken of within the pages of GODS WORD? The Bible has a
great deal to say concerning the subject of the end of world as well as
mankind’s future and hope to survive all the issues that we are currently
facing or will face . Answers and hope can be found within its pages. Yet, most
people continue to rely on sources outside of the truth contained in scripture.
JESUS CHRIST himself warned his disciples and followers that the Church and
so-called believers would be in a weakened state and be looked at with
unreliability to bring solution to circumstances facing the final generation.
Indeed look at what he himself teaches us in the Gospel of Luke:
LUKE 18:7-8
“NOW SHALL NOT GOD BRING ABOUT JUSTICE FOR HIS ELECT,WHO CRY TO HIM DAY
AND NIGHT,AND WILL HE DELAY LONG OVER THEM?
“I TELL YOU THAT HE WILL BRING ABOUT JUSTICE FOR THEM SPEEDILY. HOWEVER,
WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMES, WILL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH?”
AND AGAIN IN MATTHEW;
MATTHEW 24:12
“AND BECAUSE LAWLESSNESS IS INCREASED MOST PEOPLES LOVE WILL GROW
COLD…”
These two passages as well as II TIMOTHY 3 , II PETER 3 , II THESSALONIANS 2:3 ,
suggest that even the CHURCH itself will be unreliable as a means of hope and
solution.
So now we are faced with an even larger dilemma , POLITICS IS UNRELIABLE,
SCIENCE IS UNRELIABLE, even THE CHURCH IS UNRELIABLE in providing answers and
stability…IS THERE ANY HOPE?
The answer is a resounding YES! Our and our children's hope lies in
JESUS CHRIST
ACTS 4:12
“AND THERE IS SALVATION IN NO ONE ELSE; FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER
HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED.”
I TIMOTHY 2:5
“FOR THERE IS ONE GOD,AND ONE MEDIATOR ALSO BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, THE MAN
CHRIST JESUS.”
Scripture lays out for us the fact that mankind utilizing his own resources is
doomed to fail.
ROMANS 3:23
“FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.”
ROMANS 6:23a
“FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH…”
Truly gloom and doom! Leaving us in total despair without any hope in and of
ourselves that is what we can expect. Wait though part B of the above verse
reverses the doom and gloom!
ROMANS 6:23b
“…BUT THE FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS OUR
LORD.”
Is the world going to end? Is all life as we know it going to be extinguished
by Ecological disaster such as GLOBAL WARMING? Will there be an ASTROID that
strikes the earth bringing cataclysmic destruction? The BIBLE GODS WORD speaks
directly to these questions. There is cause for concern and alarm however we are
NOT LEFT WITHOUT HOPE….
If you have questions concerning the solutions to these issues and others
facing the world or yourself, and are interested in learning more about what GOD
Himself has to say about the approaching END, and what YOU can do to avoid its
consequences please
EMAIL ME AT:
oneslickpig@...
or call
CLARENCE- 231-739-8439 OR 231-457-3379
I would be glad to share with you my confidence that the future is BRIGHT and
there is HOPE!!!
I have free literature to offer or willing to share personally on this very
important subject!
GOD-BLESS!
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!
Hello Gang,
The urgency of my feelings of the approaching MID POINT of the 70th week seems
to be justified in a couple of under looked at prophetic texts.
In the book of Daniel the A/C is said to uproot 3 nations.....I would believe
this to be the USA-CHINA-RUSSIA and it is about to happen by means of the
COPENHAGEN summit.
the second passage that I believe we can look at for further evidence is ROMANS
1 where depraved people are said to worship the creation in place of the
creator....THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY!!!!
The Olivet Discourse speaks of the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot....many
people attempt to understand that warning by means of the activities mentioned,
but let me propose that in the context it is not the activities that should be
the focus but the lack of mans reliance on GOD and his becoming self reliant.
this goes along with the Romans passage as well as the judgment that befell
these two ancient societies. When each had given in to their own lusts and
perversions and had become a society(s) that had completely abandoned GOD he
sent judgment......this is what is meant by the passage in Matthew 24 the last
days will be a period of complete abandonment of GOD save for (the elect) and
will be given entirely over to EVOLUTIONARY thinking with self satisfaction and
severe sexual perversion permeating the day.
The apostasy will occur as the great delusion sent by God occurs at the
revealing of the AC and THE ELECT both of ISRAEL and the CHURCH will refuse to
acquiesce to the demands for worship and compliance. this is also why the two
illustrations of severe persecution are found in the predominately prophetic
text of Daniel (the fire furnace & the Lions den)! It is an illustration of GODS
ability to protect even under what seemly stand as inescapable peril.
GOD-BLESS,
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!
Clarence
Baptism and Marriage [Heretics' Remnant Graces] Summarize all Goodness
The Baltimore Catholic Catechism teaches that the summation of our reason for existence is based on two principles:
I. To know, love, and serve God in this life, and... II. To be happy with Him forever in the next
The first principle is none other than the base disposition of Baptism, faith and repentance. How? Well, what is faith? Faith is assent of the intellect to revealed truth. Assent means know and accepting the truth revealed by God. Therefore faith is knowing God and accepting what He wants you to know. What is repentance? Turning away from sin and toward God. If we are toward God, we are loving Him and serving Him.
Therefore, the first purpose of our existence is to have the Baptismal disposition.
The second principle is none other than the ultimate sign of Marriage. What do we mean? We mean that, based on principle II, if our ultimate goal is to be happy with God forever in the next life, then our ultimate goal is to MARRY God. God wants to MARRY us forever in heaven. Therefore, the person who lives for this heavenly, eternal marriage is simply seeking what marriage in this life ultimately points toward, the Eternal Marriage of Christ and His Church.
Now, we have recalled that good heretics [innocent Protestants] retain only the sacraments of Baptism and Marriage. In light of this, we have just shown that Jesus was NOT arbitrary in allowing this. Jesus, rather, left heretics with the minimal signs of all goodness, the minimal signs of our goal and purpose in this life if we know what is truly good for us.
It follows that the total ANTITHESIS of the these minimal sacraments forms the basis of all that is WICKED.
What do we mean? We mean, firstly, that without Baptism or the desire thereof, no one is saved. Which is to say, those who die without the disposition of Baptism shall perish in eternal fire. For how can God welcome into His Kingdom a creature that does not desire, above all else, to know, love and serve God as best he can by God's grace? Therefore, if one is totally AGAINST the Baptismal disposition, they have NO desire to know, love and serve God in this life, and hence are utterly bankrupt in intellect and will, no faith and no repentance.
Similarly, if one is in this anti-Baptismal disposition, one, by way of implication, is most certainly NOT living for the eternal marriage with God and, hence, lives only for this world.
In this way, the anti-Baptismal person is not the chaste virgin preparing for the marriage with the CreatOR in the NEXT life but is rather a spiritual WHORE, seeking only the fruits of this world, the CreatION, with its brute superficialities in THIS life.
Clearly, these two negative dispositions summarize all that is wicked.
And therefore, just as Baptism and Marriage, in their ultimate signs, form the basis of all that is good in God's Plan, so the antithesis of these two remnant sacraments, anti-Baptism and anti-Marriage, form the basis of all that is wicked.
Is it any wonder that the Lamb, in the apocalypse, has seven horns, and the false prophet has two horns, like a Lamb, but speaking as a dragon?
What might these mean in light of what we have examined? Might they simply mean this: if we recall that horns are many times a symbol of power in the Biblical scholarship [as in Daniel, where the horns of beasts were kings of an empire, kings the ones who wield power], so Christ's seven horns would be His seven mighty sources of power, the seven Sacraments, the greatest source of Redemptive power in the New Covenant.
From this, we can recall from Pope John Paul II's teaching in TOTB that the Early Church Father Tertullian taught how the devil plaigarizes the Sacraments, taking their signs of goodness and twisting them into the opposite of what they intend, as in how the twisting of the Eucharist is gluttony and drunkenness and the twisting of Marriage is fornication. In light of this, we see that if the devil takes the ultimate fruits of the sacraments of Baptism and Marriage and twists them into their antithesis, he has formed the base lies of all that are wicked:
Anti-Baptism: the total negation of the desire to Know and Love God
Anti-Marriage: the spiritual fornication that rejects one's ultimate goal of marrying God forever in heaven in exchange for superficial "intercourse" with the world and its base goods, materialism.
So that the holy remnant of heret ICS , when twisted, becomes the utlimate here SY .