How can I contact the Gurindji about FREEDOM DAY 23 August 2006 for
ANTaR SA antarsa@... ?

New PARIAH site takes shape - http://pariahnt.org/ 

lots to do

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An old mate makes me proud...

- I grew up with Peter Buckskin in the remote mining town of Tom Price in the Pilbara WA.  Met him in SA years later.

Tom Price a  'closed' town to Aboriginal people in the seventies - is now open to Aboriginal people who are fighting for a share of the immense profits made from their land.

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INDIGENOUS EXECUTIVE QUITS: Aborigines slam Labor

Kevin Naughton
02jul06

A KEY indigenous rights group has accused the Rann Government of bullying, patronising, and dictatorial behaviour.

The claims coincide with the sudden resignation this week of SouthAustralia's most senior Aboriginal public servant, Peter Buckskin.

ANTaR SA, Australians for Native Title and Reconciliation, made theclaims in a draft letter it circulated to Aboriginal communities forsignature and referral to the Premier.

The letter details changes it believes downgrade the formerdepartment of aboriginal affairs (DAARE) to a small unit within thedepartment of Premier and Cabinet. Mr Buckskin was CEO of thedepartment.

"We believe the behaviour of the Government is unacceptable,bullying, insensitive, patronising and dictatorial," the letter states.

"This is to return the position of the management of our Aboriginalaffairs in the state, to one that is less advantageous to Aboriginalpeople than that arranged by Premier Olsen," it states.

It also expresses concern at the lack of consultation in implementing the changes.

"It is unacceptable that as Aboriginal South Australians, we havejust become aware of the change . . . by a community process of sharinginformation, rather than by your government consulting our people," theletter states.

ANTaR SA co-ordinator Glen Giles confirmed the letter's existence.

Meanwhile, Aboriginal leaders called a meeting on Friday when Mr Buckskin resigned.

Following the meeting, prominent Aboriginal leader Professor LowitjaO'Donoghue said there was deep concern among Aboriginal people.

"An Aboriginal person should be talking and advising on Aboriginal business in this state," Professor O'Donoghue said.

"Self determination and Aboriginal leadership principles have been totally ignored by the Rann Government.

"This is a sad day for Aboriginal people. It has wound back theclock in terms of Aboriginal affairs and is symbolic of the broadersilencing of Aboriginal voices in Australian politics."

A spokeswoman for Aboriginal Affairs Minister Jay Weatherill saidthe changes to the department had consolidated and enhanced programsrun by the former department.

Meanwhile, the Government moved swiftly to replace Mr Buckskin.

"I am very pleased to be able to announce the appointment of NeridaSaunders to the position of director, Aboriginal Culture and Heritage,"Mr Weatherill said.

Ms Saunders post will be in the Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation Division of the Department of Premier and Cabinet.

"I would also like to acknowledge the very valuable contributionPeter Buckskin has made to Aboriginal affairs in this state. I wish himwell with his future endeavours."

Mr Buckskin could not be contacted for comment.
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,19651389%255E2682,00.html 

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Peter trying to get it across gently

"Theassessment mechanisms and tools that I believe need to be in placeshould be based on Indigenous communities' goals and aspirations in thevery first instance-not some white fellow's goals and aspirations butour own."

"We need to achieve educational outcomes similar to other Australians, but not at the expense of the Indigenous culture."

"As our history is different, our communities are different and our goals are different." 

Mr Peter Buckskin Assistant Secretary Department of Employment, Education, Training and Youth Affairs

SUMMARY

In his formal paper Mr Buckskin reviewed the history ofCommonwealth-State strategies for Indigenous education under theAboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education Policy (AEP). The papergave detailed information about the development of core nationaltargets, adjustment for State and Territory variations in startingpoints and methodologies for measuring progress against the targets.

In his oral presentation, Mr Buckskin summarisedthe contents of his paper before turning to what he described ascritical issues for the achievement of the agreed national targets.

Among the critical issues, heargued that any assessment process must be based on the goals andaspirations of Indigenous people; that Indigenous community control wasnecessary for a number of reasons, and that equality of educationaloutcomes should be achieved-but not at the expense of culturalidentity.

The Commonwealth has now translated the goals of theAEP into a number of performance indicators.We have core targets and arange of performance indicators for every educational provider-160-plusof them-around the nation, whether they be a small preschool of 10 orfive kids, or they are in an educational system that has 15,000children.

They all have to enter into an Indigenous agreementwhich outlines a target and how they are going to achieve moreculturally inclusive education-that is, ensure that there arecross-curriculum perspectives of Indigenous affairs. It is not justAboriginal studies; it is what you do in the maths curriculum, thescience curriculum, the English curriculum.

There is enough work aroundtoday to ensure that we can actually achieve that goal. It is pleasingto see that educational systems are taking up that challenge and,especially the big systems, have agreed that they will certainly tacklethat.

We have got agreement. Despite the literacy debateat the moment, we have agreements where every State and Territoryminister has agreed and every educational provider has set a benchmark.

They are telling us how far theywill shift that over the period of the next two years, whether it isone per cent or two per cent or whatever. It has to be improving andshowing that we have travelled some distance in the future.

That is not an easy task, considering all the thingsthat are impacting on Indigenous communities today. We appreciate thedifficulties in getting this out of even the smallest preschool, butthey have all agreed on targets. The core types of performanceindicators that we believe allow flexibility across the educationalservice providers, whether they are government or non-government,respect the constitutional rights of the States and the Territorygovernments in education and are sensitive enough to demonstrate andreport on progress to meet the benchmark.

Table: Retention rate ofstudents from the mid year Census in one year of secondary school tothe mid-year Census in the next year (referred to as `grade progressionratios'): -

Table here http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/IndigLRes/car/1998/8/buckskin.html

Iam sure that there are a number of critical issues that need to beresolved in achieving agreed targets for Indigenous education. The onethat I would like us to consider as a group today is the need todevelop benchmark assessment mechanisms and tools that allow us tooperate at levels of high detail and that are sensitive and culturallyinclusive enough to demonstrate progress for Indigenous Australians.

The bottom line is thatbenchmark assessment mechanisms and tools are usually designed with amajority of the population in mind, to achieve economies of scale,which is especially important in times of fiscal restraint. We then usethese attempts to demonstrate educational progress for the two per centof the Australian population in comparison with the other 98 per cent.Indigenous students do not come from the same world view perspectivethat has shaped the education and development of the majority ofAustralians. Indigenous people's experience of the education system hasmostly been negative. It has only been since 1967 that we have startedto make progress in assessing formal education. The quality of what wewere assessing was not at issue until the early 1970s.

The assessment mechanisms andtools that I believe need to be in place should be based on Indigenouscommunities' goals and aspirations in the very first instance-not somewhite fellow's goals and aspirations but our own. They need to belooking for success as our communities define it, rather than themono-cultural and employment focused approach that we have seen in thepast.

Many of our communities also have other complexsuccess targets, such as cultural regeneration and maintenance,integration of our environmental responsibilities and communities, ourfamily obligations and responsibilities, and affirming our history andour culture.

Targets should be based on theprinciples of support for self-management and self-determination. Theyalso need to be designed and understood in a bi- or multilingualcontext. They clearly need to be developed in partnership withIndigenous communities-and it is really good to see May sitting next toCheryl today-from a systems perspective, integrated with educationalplanning, supportive of communities and increasing their control ofdecision making-processes. They need to be able to be used by ourcommunities to assess government programs and also to assess usbureaucrats as well, whether black or white bureaucrats, to enable amore responsive service delivery. It is just a step further in showingwhat we are getting States to do.

The challenge is for us to link back to theseperformance indicators with our education agreements, and to use themto improve community control over setting the targets and being moreinvolved in ensuring the measurement tools are culturally inclusive.You can see that we have targets, not just about literature andnumeracy but about academic achievement, about the employment ofIndigenous people-not just as education workers, but as principals,teachers, ancillary staff and advisers in the curriculum area-and,clearly, the importance of parents in communities and education.

Weneed to achieve educational outcomes similar to other Australians, butnot at the expense of the Indigenous culture. But, even more, we neededucational outcomes that support people's social, religious, culturaland economic goals. As our history is different, our communities aredifferent and our goals are different. 

Back to Indigenous Education menu

"THE disguised man who saidon TV that young Aborigines were being given petrol in exchange for sexin outback communities was a federal public servant, according toreport being published today.

The National Indigenous Times says the man, described on ABC's Lateline as a former youth worker in central Australia, is Gregory Andrews, asenior employee of Canberra's Office of Indigenous Policy Co-ordination."

40th anniversary of the Gurindji Wave Hill Walk Off 1966-2006 

http://pariahnt.org/node/20

Amazing how these stories are only barely picked up (and tamely) by mainstream media.

Well not really.

mick

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Weatherill: Aboriginal rights provisions in documents used to create SA in
1836

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200612/s1819033.htm
Thursday, December 28, 2006. 21:42 AEDT
Govt pledges commitment to reconciliation
South Australian Aboriginal Affairs Minister Jay Weatherill has renewed a
commitment to reconciliation at today's Proclamation Day ceremony at the
Old Gum Tree in Glenelg.
Last Update: Thursday, December 28, 2006. 9:42pm (AEDT)
Govt pledges commitment to reconciliation
South Australian Aboriginal Affairs Minister Jay Weatherill has renewed a
commitment to reconciliation at today's Proclamation Day ceremony at the
Old Gum Tree in Glenelg.
Mr Weatherill says the provisions for Aboriginal rights in the documents
used to create the state in 1836 have not been kept.
He used his speech today to renew the commitment made 170 years ago.
"As the truth of the experience of Aboriginal people has been revealed
more fully to us, so our obligations have become clearer," he said.
State Opposition Leader Iain Evans was also at the event.
He said there was a lack of knowledge about the day.
"I think South Australians do themselves a disservice by not promoting
Proclamation Day more broadly and stronger throughout the community," he
said.
Mr Evans wants a greater focus on Proclamation Day in schools and the
media.
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Patrick Byrt writes:
We need to consider an Australia Change Alliance - young people 'want
treaty'
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We need to consider an Australia Change Alliance - young people 'want
treaty' (see below):
Sandra Kanck, Leader of the Democrats in SA is SHOWING THE WAY
http://www.sa.democrats.org.au/australia%20change%20speech.htm
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BUT WE NEED THIS TO BE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL TOO. WHY IS THERE NO NATIONAL
PROFILE FOR AUSTRALIA CHANGE SEE : [
http://www.democrats.org.au/people/index.htm?person_id=111&display=1&level=1
] SANDRA KANCK
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JULIA GILLARD HAS SEEN THE WRITING ON THE WALL - WE NEED OTHERS TO FOLLOW
SANDRA'S LEAD & GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE A CLEAR POLICY VISION THAT INCLUDES
"TREATY".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200705/s1928145.htm
Julia Gillard is using the latest poll to hammer her IR message
Last Update: Monday, May 21, 2007. 8:45am (AEST)
Poll shows 'mood for change'
Labor Deputy Leader Julia Gillard says new poll figures show a "mood for
change" in Australia, despite a majority of people continuing to favour
the Coalition on economic issues.
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to 42 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.
Voters regard the Federal Government as a better economic manager than
Labor, but the majority believe the Opposition is the best party for
industrial relations.
The Government's primary vote has edged up for the second consecutive
month, rising two points to 39 per cent compared to Labor's 48 per cent.
Two weeks after the federal Budget, 60 per cent of voters believe the
Government is the best economic manager, compared to 30 per cent for Labor.
But Labor Deputy Leader Julia Gillard is focusing on the Opposition's
clear lead on industrial relations issues - 59 per cent to the Coalition's
31 per cent.
"There is a mood for change in the Australian community," she said.
"I think that they do want a different style of leadership in this country
and I think these polls are particularly showing that people think Mr
Howard's industrial relations laws have gone too far."



Patrick Byrt writes:
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Young people 'want treaty with Aborigines'

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21747262-5001028,00.html

Young people 'want treaty with Aborigines'


May 17, 2007 12:00

MORE than two thirds of young people want the Federal Government to enter
into a treaty with indigenous Australians, a poll has found.

In its annual poll of 15- to 20-year-olds, the Australian Democrats said
68 per cent of those surveyed supported the idea of a treaty.

"Youth poll 2007 has found young Australians feel very strongly about the
government entering into a treaty with indigenous Australians," said South
Australian Senator Natasha Stott Despoja.

Other key findings in the poll included 87 per cent of young people
believing the Federal Government was not doing enough to address climate
change, and 84 per cent believing tertiary education should be publicly
funded.

It also found 54 per cent of respondents knew a young person who had
attempted or committed suicide.

Senator Stott Despoja said the poll, done every year for the past 15
years, reflected the diverse views and attitudes of young people.

"Youth poll provides young people with a chance to have their voices heard
and incorporated into the political process," she said.

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Patrick Byrt writes Re: <>HOWARDS  HARDLINE<> Les Ridgeway
<lridgewa@...> + more:
Howard's hard line is in empathy with the Israelification of Australian
society.

After finding that the politics of fear about terrorism, Islam and Iraq
have not
got traction, Howard is emulating the pro-Israeli concept of
neo-colonialism:

make Aboriginal people the "Palestinians" of Australia occupied
territories !

RE: <>  HOWAARDS HARD LINE <>
"Les Ridgeway" <lridgewa@...>
+
Black or white - a man’s home is his castle
By [ http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=4494 ]Jocelynne Scutt -
posted Friday, 13 July 2007
+
The Israeli police state  [in Palestine]
Avigail Abarbanel, The Electronic Intifada, 9 July 2007
+
Re: Pro-Israel lobby gives John Howard fresh ideas to demonise the Muslim
community
"Asem Judeh" <ajudeh@...>

"Les Ridgeway" <lridgewa@...> writes Re: <>  HOWAARDS HARD LINE
<>:
Good afternoon brotherr Patrick, good to read you messages.

Like may of our folk who are tuned in I am suspicious of Howard`s promise
to hand back community land, that a lie if ever I have heard one.

Why doesn`t he come clean and tell folk he wan`t their land because the
mining companies are waiting to mine these areas for the minerals they had
discovrrd under the ground.
These folk do not need to searhch from the ground anymore they do it out
of a plane with modern tecnology, so thats why Howard is beig pushed t get
rid of our people in these communities.

Someone should warn Kevin Rudd to pull out from supporting Howard on his
NT hard line. My advice to our communities stay put refuse all efforts to
move. Tell Howard to keep his money, we survived before money was invented
why not continue to live the  style that you wish to live.

Thanks Patrick  God bless from
Les Ridgeway
Worimi Elder.

"Les Ridgeway" <lridgewa@...> writesRE: <>HOWARDS  HARDLINE<>
Les Ridgeway <lridgewa@...>:
Hi my brother, its the old Worimi warrior again I was interested in the
Noel Pearson story to be shown this comeing Monday night at 8-30pm on ABC
Four Corners programme.

I hope our folk watch this show I am most interested because like brother
Noel, I also had a vision that I strongly felt would help my reserve
communities.   I was working from within the Department of Aboriginal
Affairs when the late Charles Perkns was head in our Canberra office.

Sure my NSW State head office bureaucrats, scoffed at my idea stating it
won`t work. My reply was ?  Why wo`t it work?, we have never tried such
before?.

Patrick, my plan was to train our local community based Aboriginal men
into a fully qualifed building constructing team.  To achieve this my plan
was to re-cruit {1}  a qualified local builder to supervise on job
training {2} Our men must do two days per week at TAFE College to be
taught the Why and Wherefore in this competative field of building.

Patrick, these two points were most important to make the venture a
success. Besides all previous housing on these goverrnment owned reserves
were built by contractors, nothing like my plan was ever tried in NSW ever.

The selected team of men friom Forster and Purfleet reserve communities
continued their TAFE Courses at TAREE TAFE COLLEGE., with on the job
practical training by the supervisor Geoff, the whole project was a
success.

Our trainee adult apprentices those who wen`t on completed their traning
and had built beautiful brick veneer homes on the Forster reserve for
themselves and other families.  These men took great pride in this their
first achievement.

I was very pkleased with the results, I then sat down with those who had
cmpleted theri courses. And asked them if they now felt they had the
erpertise in forming a company as the First Aboriginal Building
Contractors in Forster.
To build future Aboriginal homes in the district, they agreed, my next
plan wass to hasve them registered to be able to tender for future
Aboriginal housing contracts, that my Department was calling tenders
for etc.

Patrck, you re-call how those bureaucrats in my DAA office at North Sydney
had said it won`t work, the first stage worked and proved my point.  But
evil forces from within were at work, the Forster men formed their company
and were registered, when DAA Regional ofice called tenders for the
construction of a number of home at Purfleet reserve, the Forster
contracting firm put in their tender. They missed out, the contract was
given to a Brisbane based white contractor.

This disheartened our Forster team at their first try, as it turned out
this Brisbane company fell foul because they had underquoted, so could not
complete the contract.
Our Forster team was given the contract to complete the  building of the
Purfleet reserve houses. But althugh the Forster men achieved everything
asked of them.

They were forever over looked by the DAA when future tenders were called
for. Those State folk in DAA had told me my plan would not work for our
folk, they knew all along such even if these men were trained,would not
become successful. Those in DAA held the purse strings and they called the
tune.?.

Patrick, my point is, Noel Pearson might be on a winner, but will the
funding folk guarantee it will work.?.  Do they support Aboriginal
success.?.
I rest my case Patrick,.

Regards
Les Ridgeway{Worimi Elder}
(eom)

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6085
Black or white - a man’s home is his castle
By [ http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=4494 ]Jocelynne Scutt -
posted Friday, 13 July 2007

The Howard-Brough-Pearson “Plan” for invasion of Indigenous Australian
land is based on abolition of the permit system. Under the permit system,
Indigenous communities and town camp dwellers have had a right to ban
entry of outsiders and strangers to the land. This system is akin to the
rights “white” Australians assume: namely, the right to live unmolested by
strangers and uninvaded by police and security forces in our own homes and
dwellings.

The difference has been that Indigenous Australians have a collective
right under the permit system, in relation to the whole community space
housing all families living on the camps and remote places, whereas
“white” Australians have individual rights in relation to their individual
homes.

A further difference is that from the 17th century the law has assumed
“white” ownership of living spaces with a consequent right to defend the
space against intrusion of outsiders - “a man’s home is his castle”.

This rule was considered by Australian courts not to extend to Indigenous
Australians, assumed to own nothing and hence to have no land or homes to
be defended against occupation or invasion. As the law held they were not
here in the first place, for they did not exist - Australia was an
unoccupied territory - unlike “white” Australians, Indigenous Australians
could have no rights of ownership or occupation of the land.

The Northern Territory Land Rights Act, introduced by the Whitlam
Government and passed into law by the Fraser Government, provided for
Indigenous Australian rights in relation to land, including the right to
occupation and a say in who came onto the land.

Now we learn that Indigenous Australians are to have that right removed.

Yet one aspect has not been considered in all this. Who owns the roads
leading into the communities and town camps, the utilities such as
electricity and electricity poles and wires, the light bulbs on the
streets? Do Brough’s men have a right to march on these roads and under
these street lights, to gain occupation of remote communities and town
camps? Do Brough’s men have a right to use the roadways in, and the
streets through, the camps and spaces to enforce their occupation?

Unlike the rest of Australia, where roads, streets, electricity poles and
public lighting are paid for from funds allocated from general budgets,
these services on Aboriginal town camps and for remote communities have
been paid for from funds specifically allocated to Indigenous purposes.
That is, Aboriginal funding has been allocated to the everyday services
non-Indigenous Australians expect to have provided from general budgets.

When (some) Australians rail against Indigenous funding, they fail to
recognise that everything for Indigenous Australian living must be paid
for out of Aboriginal grants and budgets. This includes not only health
and community services, but all the budgetary needs of Aboriginal
communities.

In the 1990s, the Northern Territory Government ran a series of cases
claiming that Indigenous organisations were not public benevolent
institutions or charities and hence should pay payroll tax and other
fiscal duties. The Alice Springs Town Council ran a case asserting that
the Alice Springs Housing Associations were, similarly, not public
benevolent institutions or charities so must pay rates.

Yet in all these instances, the Aboriginal organisations - such as
Tangentyere Council and the Housing Associations - were paying for all
works, municipal and local services from the funds and grants allocated to
them in the federal budget. These funds came out of the Indigenous Affairs
budget, and went to the clearing, building or maintenance of roads and
streets, relaying electricity into the communities and houses, rubbish
collection and other such everyday services.

Tangentyere Council was established under the Whitlam Government’s housing
plan for Indigenous Australians. Tangentyere has worked solidly and
systematically to ensure that housing for Indigenous Australians conforms
to the needs of Aboriginal people living in Alice Springs Town Camps.

It established “homemaker” programs to provide domestic education to
residents. It puts into effect the principle that weather conditions,
including temperature, family constellations and social organisation
should be taken into account. No point in having one lavatory per
household, if the household consists of more than the “white” standard of
two adults and two or three children. No sense in having garden taps
easily turned on by children, where puddles can transmit disease or
dripping faucets can be accessed by both thirsty children and family pets.

Where Indigenous Australian funds have been used to build roads and
streets, these are effectively private roadways, owned by the Indigenous
communities whose funds have built them. These rights do not come with, or
only by reason of, the permit system. Rather, they are owned as any
Australian organisation would consider ownership lies with buildings and
other appurtenances constructed from funds gained by public benevolent
organisations or charities.

Would “mainstream” charities countenance government assertion of ownership
over their property, simply because the funds or some of them came by way
of government grants? Hardly. Would churches accept troops or police
coming onto their land because the built environment came through funding
from government, or through the absolute tax exemptions (a huge hole in
government revenue) extended to churches? Not likely.

Yet Indigenous Australians are expected to put up with two wrongs. First,
the assertions of those who know little or nothing about government
funding and grants to Aboriginal communities and organisations and, hence,
make allegations of “too much money” and failure to utilise monies
effectively. Second, the coming on to property of police and military via
private roads and streets - roads and streets owned by Indigenous
Australian communities.

Ironically, successive Australian governments have expected Indigenous
Australians to provide roads, streets and utilities from funding labelled
“Aboriginal”. Now, the Howard Government ignores this reality and conducts
its business as if the roads, streets and utilities have come from general
public funds akin to the funding of roads, streets and utilities for
“white” Australia.

By rights, Aboriginal communities are entitled to keep strangers off their
roads and streets, and to deny them access to electricity, water and
buildings. They have a right to say “no” to security forces entering their
property via their private roads and streets. Yet “private” does not apply
to their roads, their streets, their utilities, for it has no meaning
where the current Australian government is concerned.

As Indigenous Australians have known for more than 200 years, what goes
for “white” Australia doesn’t go for them

Dr Jocelynne A. Scutt is a Barrister and Human Rights Lawyer in Mellbourne
and Sydney. Her web site is [ http://www.jocelynne.says.it/ ]here.
  [ http://www.jocelynne.says.it/ ]http://www.jocelynne.says.it/


PEACE & GOD BLESS

Kirky a Koori in Parkes. Oz.
Wife, mum, nan, sista, aunt, cuz & friend 2 all.
[ http://kirkys-world.tripod.com ]http://kirkys-world.tripod.com
[ http://www.kirkyskraftsandchitchat.bigblog.com.au
]http://www.kirkyskraftsandchitchat.bigblog.com.au
1 stick can B broken ~ a handfull 2gether can't B broken ~ In Solidarity
iz Strength.

Cf.

"Max Watts" <rosiek@...> writes Re: RN3280LW1 The Israeli Police
State:
LONG BUT INTERESTING.
NOTE THAT AVIGAIL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ISRAELI RITA
SHE WAS A STAFF SGT IN THE IDF (ISRAELI ARMY)
HER FIRST HUSBAND (SEE BELOW) A CAPTAIN

MAX

----- Original Message -----
From: [ mailto:dor_naor@... ]Dorothy
To: [ mailto:icrr@googlegroups.com ]ICRR
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: [newprofile message:1277] The Israeli Police State
[forwarded by Sam Bahour]
"Avigail Abarbanel is a former Israeli and a local
psychotherapist/counsellor."

The Israeli police state
Avigail Abarbanel, The Electronic Intifada, 9 July 2007
ISRAELI POLICE STATE: So-called Israeli democracy keeps tight control over
Palestinians in the occupied territories. Here a border policeman argues
with Palestinians at the main checkpoint between outside Bethlehem denying
them entrance to the holy city of Jerusalem to celebrate the Islamic
holiday of Leilat al-Qadr, 18 October 2006. (Magnus Johansson/MaanImages)

On Friday, 8 June 2007, my husband Ian flew to Israel. He is in fact on
his way to an IT conference in Vienna, but we thought that it would be
nice for him to make a short three-day detour to Tel-Aviv to visit my
brother and his family and in particular meet my seven and five year old
nieces for the first time.

At Ben-Gurion airport Ian's Australian passport was confiscated with no
explanation. He was taken to a small interrogation room and had to endure
an intimidating questioning about non-existent Saudi and Lebanese visas in
his passport. He was interrogated by a tough-looking uniformed female
police officer while a non-uniformed agent watched. The officer asked him
why he had Saudi and Lebanese visas. When he responded that this could not
be his passport because he does not have such visas, she proceeded to ask
him for the names of his father and grandfather. Despite the fact that Ian
answered the question the first time, she repeated it three more times. By
that stage Ian realized that they were trying to intimidate him and
although he did feel some fear, he pointed out that she asked the same
question several times and that he had already answered it. After about 25
minutes of this, Ian was finally released with no explanation and a feeble
apology about delaying him.

As a former Israeli citizen with military training I am familiar with the
psychological tactics used by the Israeli Border Patrol (MAGAV) and by the
military. They deliberately try to intimidate their victim and keep him
(or her) in a state of uncertainty -- about what is going on, what it's
all about, where his papers are. They know that foreign nationals would
feel profoundly insecure without their passports and that uncertainty
would lead to fear and stress in most people. They also know that most
people's confidence would falter under such conditions and if there is
anything to divulge, it is more likely come out then. Israeli officers are
trained to watch body language, micro-expressions, perspiration, anything.
The questions themselves are often just a pretext to induce stress so that
they can watch their victim carefully to see if he has any secrets. They
had Ian's passport. They knew well that there were no such visas in it.
(And you have to wonder: what if there were? What would have happened to
him then? Australian citizens are free to visit any country they wish. But
it appears that in Israel having the "wrong" visas in your passport turns
you into a suspect. Of course we will never know whether the story about
the visas was the real reason for his short detention.)

Israel and its apologists repeatedly portray Israel as "the only democracy
in the Middle East," a uniquely democratic regime in a non-democratic
region. Somehow this is supposed to make us feel more sympathetic and
justify our support of it. But Israeli democracy is a myth.

In my 27 years there I belonged to the Israeli mainstream. I was Jewish,
Israeli-born and secular. I was an ordinary citizen who completed her
military service, the quintessential Israeli, not involved in politics or
activism of any kind. I minded my own business, worried about money, work,
study, my own little life. I wasn't a "trouble-maker" by any stretch of
the imagination. Anyone who met me back then, would have assumed that I
agreed with the prevailing Israeli ideology. And frankly, they would have
been right.

Although Israeli daily life could be frustrating, particularly dealing
with the bureaucracy, we felt safe in the knowledge that annoying as they
might be, our authorities would never turn against us. In fact, the
thought wouldn't even occur to us. Because I was a member of this
comfortable center of Israeli society, I was also ignorant of what Israel
was capable of, and of what it could mean to not belong.

My first ever taste of this as yet unfamiliar "status" came around 17
years ago, when my ex-husband (also an Israeli) and I were planning to
migrate to Australia, and were in the last stages of receiving our
permanent residency. My ex, an engineer and a Captain in the army about to
finish his contract, was told suddenly one afternoon, without explanation
that he was to report to a certain location to have a little "chat" with
someone from the Military Police.

Our plans to leave Israel were no secret. Leaving Israel is not a crime,
and Australia was not on the list of countries that Israeli officers
involved in secret military projects were prohibited from visiting or
living in after the end of their service (yes, such a list exists). In any
case, there was no reason for my ex-husband to suspect that this "chat"
had anything to do with our plans.

He was taken to a small room and instructed to sit on a chair in the
middle of the room. He was circled by a female Military Police sergeant
who began by saying, "We found out that you are planning to migrate to
Australia," to which he replied "So? It's not a secret." She responded
aggressively that he was to shut up, and that she was asking the
questions. She then proceeded to ask "Why are you leaving?" and, "Does
your wife know that you are planning to leave?" Apparently the military
found out about our plans from the police, while we were in the process of
obtaining clearance for Australian Immigration. They would have known that
both of us were involved. The questions were clearly not intended to be
engaged with at face value. Initially, my ex started to respond to the
point, but when he realized the absurdity of the situation he became
annoyed. He then told the sergeant that he did not see the point of the
conversation and unless she was accusing him of something, he was leaving.
When she responded aggressively again, he stood up, reminded her that he
was a Captain and she a Sergeant, and left the room.

In the absence of any information about this incident, we concluded that
this was an attempt to intimidate us out of leaving Israel. Of course it
relied entirely on psychology because the military had neither reason nor
a legal way of stopping us.

Up until the army found out that we were leaving, my husband as a career
officer and myself as the "wife of," were treated with great respect in
Israeli society and in the military. We didn't just belong, we had an
honored place. The choice of a female sergeant was meant to humiliate him
(I mean no offense to females but this is the culture in the Israeli
military). Whoever dreamed up this intimidation attempt wanted to show my
ex that his rank and status meant little if he was choosing the "wrong"
path. We were angry but mostly shocked that he could be treated like this
just because we wanted to leave Israel. It's one thing to encounter the
disapproval of friends and relatives in ordinary conversations. It's quite
another to be the subject of a menacing questioning by the MP. Our
decision to leave apparently placed us in a new position in society,
outside that comfortable mainstream. When we finally left at the end of
'91 we did so with a bitter taste in our mouths having seen a glimpse of
an Israel we didn't know.

Ask any Palestinian and they will tell you much worse stories -- frankly,
there is no comparison. Palestinians cannot help but be seen as outsiders,
whether they are citizens of Israel or whether they are refugees in the
Occupied Territories, whether they are children or adults, male or female.
All Palestinians live under constant military and police surveillance.
They experience nothing of the mythical Israeli democracy. "Israeli
democracy" is something reserved only for the privileged and mostly
ignorant elite, of which I was also a member, until I decided to leave.
Palestinian citizens of Israel live under an arbitrary and brutal police
state. Their dealings with Israeli bureaucracy are not just frustrating
but can be outright dangerous.

The Palestinians in the Occupied Territories live under a Pinochet-like
regime. They can and do disappear in the middle of the night. They are
blindfolded, cuffed, beaten, humiliated, taken to unknown locations with
no information given to them or their families, tortured physically and
psychologically and incarcerated indefinitely, often without charges and
regardless of whether they are guilty of anything. It is arbitrary and it
can happen to anyone. This is a far worse version of the two incidents I
described above but the basic principles are the same.

In a regime like that you don't have to actually do anything wrong to
receive this treatment. This is because it is not only designed to catch
people who break the law, it is designed to be a kind of a warning, a
hinted threat. It's there to flaunt state power, show people how small and
weak they are compared with the mighty state, and offer a taste of what
would happen to them if they even think to go against it. In the case of
the Palestinians such tactics are also designed to make daily life
unbearable in order to break their spirit and intimidate them into
leaving. After all, what Israel really wants is all the land but without
the people, something that so many in the West still refuse to recognize.

Israel is not a nice country. It is a powerful police state founded on
pathological paranoia with only a veneer of civility, carefully crafted
and maintained for the consumption of those who still believe in the myth
of Israeli democracy. Mainstream Israelis live in a fictional bubble that
separates them from reality. If there is a democracy there, only this
select group enjoys it -- just like the conformist white population in old
South Africa. Supporting Israel now is the same as claiming that South
Africa under apartheid was an acceptable democracy. It also means
abandoning the Palestinians, just like the world abandoned black South
Africans (and white dissidents) for 45 long years.

Avigail Abarbanel is a former Israeli and a local
psychotherapist/counsellor. She may be reached at avigail@...
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article7093.shtml

"Asem Judeh" <ajudeh@...> writes Re: Pro-Israel lobby gives John
Howard fresh ideas to demonise the Muslim community:
           Australian Muslim community must lobby their 'leaders' to act
now to
                       end the influx of pro-Israel fascist foreign
speakers!!!
           ...

Dear all,

Can you imagine what the media and politicians reaction will be, if Sheik
Taj Al-Hilali
said that: "Zionist-fascism is a greater threat even than Nazism."!!!

Malcolm Fraser, prime minister from 1975 to 1983, predicted that John
Howard, is shaping to make
this year's election "a Muslim election", and demonise the Muslim
community.

Click on [ http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1910464.htm ]PM - Howard
accused of politics of
fear (http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1910464.htm)
to read the media report on Fraser's prediction.

Nothing new with what Malcolm Fraser said. This is a well known fact. But
what Fraser and the
complacent media do not say/report are the major source behind all of
this. The pro-Israel lobby
foreign guest speakers! Didn't [
http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=1603 ]Zionists rally behind
Howard over Muslim integration (September 14, 2006)?

On May 20, 2007, PRIME Minister John Howard will be honoured with a Jewish
National Fund
(JNF) forest in his name at a gala dinner in Melbourne for the services
his government did to Israel
Apartheid State. Read [
http://www.isragood.com/2007/04/israeli-forest-named-after-australian.html
]IsraGood: Israeli Forest Named After Australian Prime Minister
[
http://www.isragood.com/2007/04/israeli-forest-named-after-australian.html
]http://www.isragood.com/2007/04/israeli-forest-named-after-australian.html
and [ http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=3034 ]JNF to honour Howard
with forest (April 20, 2007) [
http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=3034
]http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=3034

Some of you will ask: what this to do with educating John Howard
[politicians and public opinion
makers, the media] with fresh ideas on how to attack Islam and Muslims?

JNF main guest speaker is Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese-born and
American-based broadcaster and
commentator. She will speak at a Negev Now gala dinner in Melbourne on May
20, when Prime
Minister John Howard is scheduled to receive one of the JNF’s highest
honours – a forest in his name
in Israel.
Brigitte Gabriel settled in Israel, where she became a broadcaster on
World News. In 1985, she
moved to the US, where she later took up citizenship. She has worked for
German TV in Gaza and
the West Bank and for Middle East Television, a company owned by US
Reverend Pat Robertson’s
Christian Broadcasting Network.

Brigitte Gabriel told the Australian Jewish News, May 4, from Washington
DC: “Islamo-fascism is
a greater threat even than Nazism. A nuclear bomb can do in seconds what
it took Hitler
years to accomplish,”

Read AJN full report at [
http://ajn.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=62URK405DLG8
]http://ajn.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=62URK405DLG8
, or
search Google for Brigitte Gabriel .


You know what Australian government reaction will be if Australian Muslim
community invited a foreign
guest speaker who has strong critique view from Israel! He/she will not be
allowed to enter this country.
Simply because well-organised pro-Israel lobby will use their powerful
voice lobbying government and
politicians. We have same rights like pro-Israel lobby, what stop us to
use our basic rights to defend our
religion and cultural link with our country of origin.

Attached is yourPDFDU letter to the Minister for Immigration and
Citizenship and my local federal MP,
Mr Kevin Andrews. Please note that at least 50 Muslim community leaders
received this letter.

In the past this Digest used urge you to write/email policy makers,
politicians; or public opinions makers,
Media. yourPDFDU urge you to write to the Muslim national roof body AFIC
(Australian Federation
of Islamic Councils) and Victoria Muslim roof body ICV (Islamic Council of
Victoria). They have elected to
represent and defend the community interest. They have responsibility to
do just that.

Muslim community leaders contact details are:

1. AFIC President br. Ikebal Patel email [
mailto:ikebal.patel@... ]ikebal.patel@...
2. Contact AFIC's EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS at your state
[ http://www.afic.com.au/about201.htm ]http://www.afic.com.au/about201.htm
3. ICV President br. Ramzi ElSayed [ mailto:ramzi.elsayed@...
]ramzi.elsayed@...

To learn more about Jewish National Fund, the heart of Zionism, just
search Google or read
the following important research by Palestinian scholar Dr Salman Abu
Sitta
[ http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/JNF/Story1513.html ]JNF:
Financing Racism and Apartheid ([
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/JNF/Story1513.html
]http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/JNF/Story1513.html)

Who sponsored extreme right-wing foreign guest speakers Daniel Pipe,
Rafael Israeli and many others?
After a quick search on the Internet, you will find that all those hatred
speakers brought by pro-Israel lobby.
Because Palestine the main issue!

...



In solidarity,

Asem Judeh
POBox 2080
Templestowe Heights 3107
Mobile 0415 802 780

"Carol Omer" <carol.omer@...> writes Re(2): NAIDOC Rally - Adelaide:
Apologies for the first email that sent itself off blank!

Just wanted to invite people to have a look at my blog link to see
some of the moments from Fridays NAIDOC Rally...the march from
Tarndanyangga (Victoria Square) down to the banks of the River Torrens
followed by celebration, music, stories and a wonderful time for all!

The highlight of the afternoon would have to have been the little kids
fashion parade...

You can see the images here:
http://carolom.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/naidoc-walk-2007/



Carol

--
Carol Omer
Artist / Cert Life Coach LCI
Simply Splendid Productions


Simply Splendid Productions recognises that we are living and creating
on traditional Aboriginal Land and we acknowledge our respect and
appreciation to the Kaurna people.
>



Patrick T. Byrt
Treasurer;
Convenor of Volunteers; Reconciliation & Human Rights
Roma Mitchell Community Legal Centre Inc.
110 The Parade, NORWOOD (Kaurna land)
PO Box 4018, NORWOOD SOUTH, S.A. 5067
TEL: (08) 8362 1199 / FAX: (08) 8362 0410
RMCLC campaign websites:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rmclc/page
e-mail: Patrick_Byrt@... ; rmclc@...
*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
Join us in the Journey of Healing to remember the pain
of the Stolen Generations, their families and communities left
behind. Tell them how sorry we are. Ask our Government to sit
down and work out with the Stolen Generations how to repair
the damage done. Ask fellow Australians to join together to help
with healing for us all: visit: http://www.journeyofhealing.com/

See also the Ngarrindjeri CANDLE LIGHT WALK on-line flyer at:
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/adelaidemob.htm
http://peaceliberation.tripod.com/

Garma message stick to Australia's Parliament (and people)

The National Aboriginal Alliance

Thursday 1st November : Public meeting

The National Aboriginal Alliance will stage a public meeting in Darwin to discuss the impacts and implications of the Federal Intervention in NT communities

6:30pm at Mal Nairn Auditorium

Charles Darwin University

>
>  NRL OR AFL?
>
>  36
>  have been accused of spousal abuse
>
>  7
>  have been arrested for fraud
>
>  19
>  have been accused of writing bad cheques
>
>  117
>  have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
>
>  3
>  have done time for assault
>
>  71,
>  repeat 71
>  cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
>
>  14
>  have been arrested on drug-related charges
>
>  8
>  have been arrested for shoplifting
>
>
>  21
>  currently
>  are defendants in lawsuits, and
>
>  84
>  have been arrested for drunk driving
>
>  in the last year
>
>
>
>  Can you guess which organization this is?
>
>
>  Give up yet? . . . Scroll down,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Neither, it's the 535 members of AUSTRALIAN PARLIAMENT IN CANBERRA
>
>
>  The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year
>  designed to keep the rest of us in line.
>
>
>
>  You gotta pass this one on!

--------------------

ends

One Mile Dam Aboriginal Community (Main site) - OMD - Darwin's shameful secret (Gallery)

Fills me with disgust

mick

Hi people

One Mile Dam Aboriginal Community (Main site) - OMD - Darwin's shameful secret (Gallery)

Ms Scrymgour speaks out - Dr Charles Perkins Annual Memorial Oration

Ms Marion Scrymgour

All members of the general public are cordially invited to join us for the 2007 Dr Charles Perkins AO Annual Memorial Oration and Prize.

This year we are honoured to have Ms Marion Scrymgour MLA, from the Northern Territory Government as our speaker. Ms Scrymgour is the first Indigenous woman to be a Minister in any government in Australia. She has an extensive and diverse portfolio including: Natural Resources, Environment and Heritage; Parks and Wildlife; Arts and Museums; Women's Policy; Senior Territorians and Young Territorians.

Ms Scrymgour's Oration is both
topical and timely: 'Whose national emergency? Caboolture and Kirribilli? or Milikapiti and Mutitjulu?"

Another view 

Aboriginal MP backs intervention 

ABC State news take 

Indigenous intervention an election ploy:

Continued... http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/103/1/

"Every foreign policy - every piece of foreign legislation ever brought
into  effect from 1770 throughout Aboriginal countries has been directed
toward achieving just one objective - the total subjugation of Aboriginal
Peoples."

Karranjal John Hartley

__________________________________________________
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Dear members of the Support Working Group for the NAA,

there needs to be extensive e-discussion as well as an
engagement in face-to-face meetings to make a difference.

There is considerable Aboriginal opinion that goes well
beyond the confines of what has been reported to be the
view of the SWGp so far regarding the federal legislation.

Karranjal John Hartley <jjh62@...> has stated
the very clear fact that is shared across the continent:

"Every foreign policy - every piece of foreign legislation
  ever brought into  effect from 1770 throughout Aboriginal
  countries has been directed toward achieving just one
  objective - the total subjugation of Aboriginal Peoples."

Although there are other different Aboriginal views that
appear to be at odds with this reality, that is a matter
of Aboriginal self-determination and not a matter for the
NAA SWGp to be taking sides about.  It is likewise with
the reported call of the NAA "for comprehensive amendment to
the Federal Government’s intervention legislation".  It is necessary
for the NAA SWGp not to undermine a position that is being
articulated by the NAA.  However, the obligation that has
been assumed to support the NAA does not justify the SWGp
entering into debate with participants in the independent
Aboriginal political arena of self-determination policy.

Support for the NAA with its 12 point policy commitments
that extend to self-determination does not require the
SWGp to make its own judgments about matters that are the
sole province of Aboriginal people's self-determination,
no matter any reasonable conception held on the supposed
"inescapable" merit of the view wanting to be put forward.

There are views among Aboriginal people that apparently
are at odds with the position taken by the NAA, and that
is not something that the SWGp should enter into if it is
to be a genuine support working group for the NAA, because
that is not the business of the SWGp to take a stand over
outside any position already articulated by the NAA.  To do
otherwise is to take the stand, no matter how unintentional,
that there are ultimate views about Aboriginal policy that
are capable of being judged by non-Aboriginal people for
the better determination of the future of Aboriginal people
without their prior determination by Aboriginal people in
their own best interests by themselves alone as their right.

There is an open invitation via the Multicultural Writers
Association of Australia to participate in writing about
what genocide is really about in this context by the next
meeting on Wednesday 7 November which is put at its website
at: http://mwaa.auspics.org.au , which members of the SWGp
may wish to take up, if they agree with the view put here.

SEE: the link at "Reading" at: http://mwaa.auspics.org.au

I re-refer you all to the attached song from Jenny Cooper
already re-circulated by Elayne with her advice for us all
to "Sit awhile" to assess our own better position on this
(please remember that sitting down is both what is usually
needed to compose serious writing and would assist making
a written submission in response to the call made by the
Multicultural Writers Association of Australia for your
thoughts on genocide to be put by 7 November, and is what
it would inescapably seem to be the necessary cultural
protocol that Aboriginal people undertake by sitting down
on country prior to coming to a decision together on what
should be done as it may affect them and that country to
which they belong - but that is for Aboriginal people to
say and determine and not for me to be an authority about):

mayhem@... writes Re: [Fwd: Good morning Les & friends, a song
for you-
Jenny Cooper <jenny@...>:
----------------------------
Subject: Good morning Les & friends, a song for you-Jenny Cooper p.com.au
"Jenny Cooper" <jenny@...>

Sit awhile
>
> When people come consulting, to negotiate a way
> It's supposed to be a two way thing, where each will have their say.
> Instead, I find, some folks think, they know just what I need
> Not talking with, just at me, and then think we have agreed.
>
> Chorus:
> Hold up, slow down, sit awhile and hear my story,
> I know what I want, but you haven't asked
> Just told me you know what's right for me
> and the way it's gonna be.
>
> I've listened to the problems, I've heard your view
> Said tell me more, respected you
> Then I went to think it through.
> I'm still waiting for my turn, to tell you what I know
>
> Chorus:
> Hold up, slow down, sit awhile and hear my story,
> I know what I want, but you haven't asked
> Just told me you know what's right for me
> And the way it's gonna be.
>
> I have answers to the problems, maybe a better way to go,
> Instead you say, we'll just do it my way
> Then you blame me when it's wrong
> You take no time to really hear,
> Maybe you'll listen to my song.
>
> Chorus:
> Hold up, slow down, sit awhile and hear my story,
> I know what I want, but you haven't asked
> Just told me you know what's right for me
> And the way it's gonna be.
>
> You take no time, to really hear
> Maybe you'll listen to my song.
>
> (c) J.Cooper 27/7/07

mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt@...> writes Re(2): [NT-talk] Fw: MINUTES
OF MEETING OF NATIONAL ABORIGINAL ALLIANCE SUPPORT W:
"Every foreign policy - every piece of foreign legislation ever brought
into  effect from 1770 throughout Aboriginal countries has been directed
toward achieving just one objective - the total subjugation of Aboriginal
Peoples."

Karranjal John Hartley

__________________________


Hi people

I take issue with the following views Re: MINUTES OF MEETING OF NATIONAL
ABORIGINAL ALLIANCE SUPPORT WORKING GROUP

[ http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/110/1/
]http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/110/1/

"The meeting agreed to support the National Aboriginal Alliance calling
for comprehensive amendment to the Federal Government’s intervention
legislation."

"A few elements of the intervention, such as extra community police, and
restrictions on pornography, were considered worth retaining."
"There are also substantial financial commitments on the table which
should not be unnecessarily jeopardised. For these reason, and for
consistency with the NAA position we won’t call for a ‘total abolition’ of
the intervention."


We claim to be opposing the Federal intervention - in particular its
non-consultative and centralised/politicised nature

- So how can we support some aspects of its legislation - which
specifically exclude the Racial Discrimination Act and the Anti
Discrimination Act of the Northern Territory?
We already have laws pertaining to pornography that cover all 'Australians'

  - Why support new laws and penalties that are specific to Aboriginal
people?
Isn't that logically inconsistent?

I would prefer to see more discussion

  - and suggest that support for Federal aid to Aboriginal people through
consultation - replace any "support" (however limited) for this Federal
intervention - by the NAA

A view that should appease any fears of "substantial financial
commitments" ... (being) ... unnecessarily jeopardised."

Please note - That the NT Police - (I've discussed the intervention with
various officers) believed the 'pornography legislation' was unworkable as
'soft porn' was included - and the reality of easily attained technology -
mobile phones, DVD players, etc... made policing it impossible

More policing on Communities invariably leads to more imprisonment - there
are better preventative alternatives and safe-houses are desperately needed
[ http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/61/1/ ]
http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/61/1/

- I take issue with the "one size fits all" view of Aboriginal communities
promulgated by the Howard government - and expect the NAA to ensure the
diversity of the communities and their people is kept paramount in all
discussions

regards

mick

PARIAH - People Against Racism In Aboriginal Homelands


Patrick T. Byrt
Treasurer;
Convenor of Volunteers; Reconciliation & Human Rights
Roma Mitchell Community Legal Centre Inc.
110 The Parade, NORWOOD (Kaurna land)
PO Box 4018, NORWOOD SOUTH, S.A. 5067
TEL: (08) 8362 1199 / FAX: (08) 8362 0410
RMCLC campaign websites:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rmclc/page
e-mail: Patrick_Byrt@... ; rmclc@...
*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
Join us in the Journey of Healing to remember the pain
of the Stolen Generations, their families and communities left
behind. Tell them how sorry we are. Ask our Government to sit
down and work out with the Stolen Generations how to repair
the damage done. Ask fellow Australians to join together to help
with healing for us all: visit: http://sajoh.auspics.org.au and
www.nsdc.org.au

See also the Ngarrindjeri CANDLE LIGHT WALK on-line flyer at:
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/adelaidemob.htm
http://peaceliberation.tripod.com/

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CIRCULATE THIS AS FAR AS YOU WISH:

Dear colleagues,

The first of the twelve historic resolutions of the NAA was focussed
on the maintenance of the centuries of unbroken struggle to uphold
culture and to protect lands for the benefit of future generations.  It
is an anti-genocide platform based on Aboriginal self-determination.

Resolution two is a commitment to a national representative voice.









	 Resolution three forms the NAA as that national Aboriginal voice.

Resolution four commits that NAA voice to be used to protect all
Aboriginal children now and in the future from abuse and harm.

Resolution five is an outright rejection of the use of coercion and
discrimination to effect the Cth emergency intervention in the NT.

Resolution six requires the immediate restoration of the Racial
Discrimination Act to uphold the rights of the Aboriginal people.

Resolution seven actively endorses peaceful resistance to the
Cth intervention and the removal of the Cth Business Managers.

Resolution eight demands respect for Aboriginal property rights.

Resolution nine opposes the genocidal nature of the intervention
and upholds the right of communities to independent self-control.

Resolution ten demands equitable essential service delivery and
infrastructure by way of right to address socio-economic inequality.

Resolution eleven commits to upholding Elders powers to shape the
destiny of Aboriginal people as that has been previously exercised.

Resolution twelve asks for Australians to support self-determination.
________________________________________________________


This united voice of some 100 Aboriginal people setting forth their own
Aboriginal policy in self-determination should not be second-guessed
by a non-Aboriginal ginger group set up under resolution twelve to be
a practical support to implementing this Aboriginal self-determination.


Any process of temporising and retreating from this original position
that the NAA instituted smacks of the "cultural" ethos of domination.


The realities of genocide are what the Aboriginal people struggle each
day to survive, and the NAA has made this perfectly clear in its voice.


It is up to Australians who have listened to what has been established,
to decide whether they have heard the call to oppose genocide and to
support the NAA to do this together with all Aboriginal people acting in
self-determination and working with non-Aboriginal people engaging with
and supporting the policy of opposing genocide, by speaking up and out
about this as has been resolved is the platform of the NAA, or to deny it.


Rewriting the policy to be upheld as that of the NAA under the guise of
being satisfied that there needs to be some departure from the policy
already expressed by the NAA without it first reviewing its formulation
in another meeting of the like representative status of Aboriginal voices,
is not to "engage with, speak up and support Aboriginal people's self-
determination".  It is to eviscerate it by the use of the same
paternalistic
methods of control and subjugation that it otherwise appears to condemn.


Any failure to honestly deny what has been called for but instead to show
partial support by a process of subverting what has been resolved by the
NAA where it is disagreed with, is a sabotaging of this Aboriginal policy.


Where is it to fulfil resolution twelve to engage in remodelling NAA
policy ?


I call upon the NAA Support Working Group to adhere to the resolutions
that have already been published and to support their full implementation.


Patrick Byrt
http://auspics.org.au


Resolutions of the National Aboriginal Alliance
Pioneer Football Club, Stuart Highway, Alice Springs
12-14 September 2007

1    We celebrate the hundreds of years of struggle by our people to
maintain our cultural integrity, protect our lands, and fulfill our
obligations  to future generations. Our Alliance will continue this
powerful tradition of activism to determine our own futures as proud and
strong Aboriginal people.


2    The lack of national political representation for Aboriginal people
has left us vulnerable to harsh government policies, and these attacks
  against Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory are a consequence of
the lack of representation. Had there been a powerful black political
voice in place, we doubt these attacks could have succeeded.

3    This national gathering of over 100 people from all parts of
Australia recognises the need for an independent national political voice.
The National Aboriginal Alliance is established to provide that voice.

4    We affirm our profound commitment to protecting our children from
harm. We acknowledge those within our communities who fought for decades
to address the complicated issue of child abuse, and we deplore the
successive Australian governments who ignored our cries for help.

5    We reject outright the discriminatory and coercive elements of the
Commonwealth's invasion ("emergency intervention") in the
  Northern Territory.

6    The Racial Discrimination Act has only ever been suspended on three
occasions - each time to erode the rights of Aboriginal people. This
previously occurred in 1998 with the Native Title Amendment Act and the
Hindmarsh Island Bridge legislation. We demand that the Commonwealth
immediately restore integrity to the Racial Discrimination Act.

7    We demand the immediate removal of Commonwealth Business Managers
from Aboriginal communities in the NT. They are comparable to the
missionaries and police protectors who exercised despotic control over our
forebears and therefore, have no place in our lives. We urge our peoples
and communities to actively resist in a peaceful way the so-called
intervention in the Northern Territory.

8    We demand that the Commonwealth respect the property rights of
Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory, including the right to
control access to our lands through the permit system; rights that
generations of our people fought to secure, often in the face of fierce
opposition.

9  We demand that the Commonwealth respect the expertise and independence
of our community organizations. There is not a single reference to child
protection in the hundreds of pages that comprise the Commonwealth's
legislative package. Rather than protecting children, this so-called
"emergency intervention" is a cynical attempt to subject our people to
further genocide.

10  Many of the socio-economic problems in our communities are the
legacies of decades of chronic under-funding in essential service delivery
and infrastructure. We demand that our communities receive the equitable
services delivery and infrastructure that is our entitlement.

11  We call upon all Aboriginal people to walk in the footsteps of our
Elders whose legacies are now at stake and whose victories are being wound
back. We must stand united to seize back the power to shape our own
destinies.

12     We call on all Australians, to engage with, speak up and support
Aboriginal  people's self-determination.





Patrick Byrt writes Re: NAA SUPPORT WORKING Group needs extensive
e-discussion to make a difference:
Dear members of the Support Working Group for the NAA,

there needs to be extensive e-discussion as well as an
engagement in face-to-face meetings to make a difference.

There is considerable Aboriginal opinion that goes well
beyond the confines of what has been reported to be the
view of the SWGp so far regarding the federal legislation.

Karranjal John Hartley <jjh62@...> has stated
the very clear fact that is shared across the continent:

"Every foreign policy - every piece of foreign legislation
  ever brought into  effect from 1770 throughout Aboriginal
  countries has been directed toward achieving just one
  objective - the total subjugation of Aboriginal Peoples."

Although there are other different Aboriginal views that
appear to be at odds with this reality, that is a matter
of Aboriginal self-determination and not a matter for the
NAA SWGp to be taking sides about.  It is likewise with
the reported call of the NAA "for comprehensive amendment to
the Federal Government’s intervention legislation".  It is necessary
for the NAA SWGp not to undermine a position that is being
articulated by the NAA.  However, the obligation that has
been assumed to support the NAA does not justify the SWGp
entering into debate with participants in the independent
Aboriginal political arena of self-determination policy.

Support for the NAA with its 12 point policy commitments
that extend to self-determination does not require the
SWGp to make its own judgments about matters that are the
sole province of Aboriginal people's self-determination,
no matter any reasonable conception held on the supposed
"inescapable" merit of the view wanting to be put forward.

There are views among Aboriginal people that apparently
are at odds with the position taken by the NAA, and that
is not something that the SWGp should enter into if it is
to be a genuine support working group for the NAA, because
that is not the business of the SWGp to take a stand over
outside any position already articulated by the NAA.  To do
otherwise is to take the stand, no matter how unintentional,
that there are ultimate views about Aboriginal policy that
are capable of being judged by non-Aboriginal people for
the better determination of the future of Aboriginal people
without their prior determination by Aboriginal people in
their own best interests by themselves alone as their right.

There is an open invitation via the Multicultural Writers
Association of Australia to participate in writing about
what genocide is really about in this context by the next
meeting on Wednesday 7 November which is put at its website
at: http://mwaa.auspics.org.au , which members of the SWGp
may wish to take up, if they agree with the view put here.

SEE: the link at "Reading" at: http://mwaa.auspics.org.au

I re-refer you all to the attached song from Jenny Cooper
already re-circulated by Elayne with her advice for us all
to "Sit awhile" to assess our own better position on this
(please remember that sitting down is both what is usually
needed to compose serious writing and would assist making
a written submission in response to the call made by the
Multicultural Writers Association of Australia for your
thoughts on genocide to be put by 7 November, and is what
it would inescapably seem to be the necessary cultural
protocol that Aboriginal people undertake by sitting down
on country prior to coming to a decision together on what
should be done as it may affect them and that country to
which they belong - but that is for Aboriginal people to
say and determine and not for me to be an authority about):

mayhem@... writes Re: [Fwd: Good morning Les & friends, a song
for you-
Jenny Cooper <jenny@...>:
----------------------------
Subject: Good morning Les & friends, a song for you-Jenny Cooper p.com.au
"Jenny Cooper" <jenny@...>

Sit awhile
>
> When people come consulting, to negotiate a way
> It's supposed to be a two way thing, where each will have their say.
> Instead, I find, some folks think, they know just what I need
> Not talking with, just at me, and then think we have agreed.
>
> Chorus:
> Hold up, slow down, sit awhile and hear my story,
> I know what I want, but you haven't asked
> Just told me you know what's right for me
> and the way it's gonna be.
>
> I've listened to the problems, I've heard your view
> Said tell me more, respected you
> Then I went to think it through.
> I'm still waiting for my turn, to tell you what I know
>
> Chorus:
> Hold up, slow down, sit awhile and hear my story,
> I know what I want, but you haven't asked
> Just told me you know what's right for me
> And the way it's gonna be.
>
> I have answers to the problems, maybe a better way to go,
> Instead you say, we'll just do it my way
> Then you blame me when it's wrong
> You take no time to really hear,
> Maybe you'll listen to my song.
>
> Chorus:
> Hold up, slow down, sit awhile and hear my story,
> I know what I want, but you haven't asked
> Just told me you know what's right for me
> And the way it's gonna be.
>
> You take no time, to really hear
> Maybe you'll listen to my song.
>
> (c) J.Cooper 27/7/07

mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt@...> writes Re(2): [NT-talk] Fw: MINUTES
OF MEETING OF NATIONAL ABORIGINAL ALLIANCE SUPPORT W:
"Every foreign policy - every piece of foreign legislation ever brought
into  effect from 1770 throughout Aboriginal countries has been directed
toward achieving just one objective - the total subjugation of Aboriginal
Peoples."

Karranjal John Hartley

__________________________


Hi people

I take issue with the following views Re: MINUTES OF MEETING OF NATIONAL
ABORIGINAL ALLIANCE SUPPORT WORKING GROUP

[ http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/110/1/
]http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/110/1/

"The meeting agreed to support the National Aboriginal Alliance calling
for comprehensive amendment to the Federal Government’s intervention
legislation."

"A few elements of the intervention, such as extra community police, and
restrictions on pornography, were considered worth retaining."
"There are also substantial financial commitments on the table which
should not be unnecessarily jeopardised. For these reason, and for
consistency with the NAA position we won’t call for a ‘total abolition’ of
the intervention."


We claim to be opposing the Federal intervention - in particular its
non-consultative and centralised/politicised nature

- So how can we support some aspects of its legislation - which
specifically exclude the Racial Discrimination Act and the Anti
Discrimination Act of the Northern Territory?
We already have laws pertaining to pornography that cover all 'Australians'

  - Why support new laws and penalties that are specific to Aboriginal
people?
Isn't that logically inconsistent?

I would prefer to see more discussion

  - and suggest that support for Federal aid to Aboriginal people through
consultation - replace any "support" (however limited) for this Federal
intervention - by the NAA

A view that should appease any fears of "substantial financial
commitments" ... (being) ... unnecessarily jeopardised."

Please note - That the NT Police - (I've discussed the intervention with
various officers) believed the 'pornography legislation' was unworkable as
'soft porn' was included - and the reality of easily attained technology -
mobile phones, DVD players, etc... made policing it impossible

More policing on Communities invariably leads to more imprisonment - there
are better preventative alternatives and safe-houses are desperately needed
[ http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/61/1/ ]
http://www.pariahnt.org/news/content/view/61/1/

- I take issue with the "one size fits all" view of Aboriginal communities
promulgated by the Howard government - and expect the NAA to ensure the
diversity of the communities and their people is kept paramount in all
discussions

regards

mick

PARIAH - People Against Racism In Aboriginal Homelands


Patrick T. Byrt
Treasurer;
Convenor of Volunteers; Reconciliation & Human Rights
Roma Mitchell Community Legal Centre Inc.
110 The Parade, NORWOOD (Kaurna land)
PO Box 4018, NORWOOD SOUTH, S.A. 5067
TEL: (08) 8362 1199 / FAX: (08) 8362 0410
RMCLC campaign websites:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rmclc/page
e-mail: Patrick_Byrt@... ; rmclc@...
*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
Join us in the Journey of Healing to remember the pain
of the Stolen Generations, their families and communities left
behind. Tell them how sorry we are. Ask our Government to sit
down and work out with the Stolen Generations how to repair
the damage done. Ask fellow Australians to join together to help
with healing for us all: visit: http://sajoh.auspics.org.au and
www.nsdc.org.au

See also the Ngarrindjeri CANDLE LIGHT WALK on-line flyer at:
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/adelaidemob.htm
http://peaceliberation.tripod.com/

Federal political oppression of Aboriginal people

The Children are sacred

Dear Kerry O'Brien and 7.30 researchers,

I have just returned from the Northern Territory. I want John Howard to explain why house to house raids without warrants are being conducted by the Australian Federal Police (AFP) in all of the Alice Springs town camps.

I also want to know, why at least two of the senior women who toured major cities speaking out against a uranium waste dump on their traditional lands have been raided by the AFP on warrants issued by a Federal Magistrate in Canberra - their furniture slashed with knives, belongings damaged, laptops and mobile phones seized, and phones tapped.

I was told by one of the women that the warrant gave 12 hours access to her home, and that she was told that the measures were justified because of the security crackdown for APEC ministers. One of those women is an elderly grandmother.

I have also been told by town camp residents that the AFP has set up surveillance on all households in the town camps, and have
photographed without consent, every Aboriginal child in those town camps.

In the 1990s the AFP were successfully taken to court for exactly the same violations in Redfern.

Please report on this disgraceful conduct, and pursue a full explanation from the Howard Government.

regards,

Jennifer Martiniello
Member, Advisory Board
Australian Centre for Indigenous History,
Australian National University

Aroha Groves

____________________________________________________________

See also

by Jennifer Martiniello - Aug 16, 2007

Urgent Action - Family Impact Assessment on NT Intervention

____________________________________________________________

Solidarity

mick

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Abolish new N.T legislation

Hi people

New articles up in the past week

 - Action planned to highlight the 'Toilet on Sacred Site debacle' - a metaphor for the entire Federal Intervention

 
After the Intervention rally (wear red) we did a photo shoot at One Mile Dam
Aboriginal Community (Click for bigger) - More later in an article



 - East Timor is a nightmare situation - but hey! we get their oil and gas - and it beats having a 'Cuba' on our doorstep - full of happy, well-fed and healthy people

 - Some Indonesian refugees forgot their "security clearances" - "

• The Federal Emergency Intervention must be rolled back
• Liberal race hate scam exposed on poll eve
• 'Security fears' delay rescue
• Another shocking reminder of Howards regime on youtube
• QUELLE SURPRISE- a boat off Christmas Island
• ETimor Man Decapitated in Suspected Gang Attack
• Balibo case is closed, says Indonesia
• BALIBO FIVE: Murdered to silence the truth
• Sensitive Guantánamo Bay Manual Leaked Through Wiki Site
• Paul Stewart: Sad end to a sorry Balibo 5 saga
• NT loses as mine royalties flushed
• Man killed by arrow in East Timor gang fighting

Mick Lambe

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