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Re: Burlap-Crete photos.

Hello Joyce- to answer you questions, yes those are corrugated silos, one at the
center of
the building at ten feet diamter (it's my bathroom, with a 16' ceiling) the roof
trusses
radiate outward from its edge and catch the perimeter wall at 15 feet of span,
for a 40'
diameter building. The second silo is at the edge of the perimeter wall, and I'm
using it as
an entryway to keep the internal and external temperatures of the structure away
from
each other- also some times of year its extremely windy here and having an entry
way
helps with keeping the wind outside when you open the door.

As for your burlap question: yes, its real burlap bought from the garden supply
store, for
about $3.40 for a seven foot square piece of it, which 49 square feet. My
exterior walls are
1,200 square feet, so one layer of burlap would equal 24 and a half pieces.
That's $83.30
in burlap to cover the walls once, but since I'm overlapping them about halfway,
let's
double that figure and call it $167. The Cement-All costs about $18 per 55 lb.
sack, and
covers about 25 square feet when you account for the dual layer of burlap. So it
would
take 48 sacks of Cement-All non shrinking, rapid set grout to finish the walls,
which will
cost me $864. Of course it won't be quite that much, as I do have doors and
windows
which would need to be subtracted from the square footage. About a thousand
dollars.
That doesn't take into account the wire, the metal studs (if I did it again I'd
use rebar
because its cheaper and I'd make a dome and use this burlap-crete as the roof as
well-
probably three or four layers thick overhead where it would potentially be
walked on.), or
my labor.


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Joyce E <yz0ld0wl@...> wrote:
>
> More than interesting -- downright fascinating! What a concept! John,
> I assume this is real burlap, not the plastic stuff -- where are you
> getting it and for how much money? Are those corrugated silos at the
> side and in the middle? Corrugated eaves? Wow, this really could be
> something!...
>
> Joyce in SE Ohio
>
>
> Robert & Connie wrote:
> > John, thanks for the great photos. You have caught my interest with
> > this burlap-crete thing. ...
>






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More than interesting -- downright fascinating! What a concept! John, I assume this is real burlap, not the plastic stuff -- where are you getting it and for...
Joyce E
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Mar 7, 2008
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Hello Joyce- to answer you questions, yes those are corrugated silos, one at the center of the building at ten feet diamter (it's my bathroom, with a 16'...
John Annesley
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Mar 9, 2008
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John I love the burlapcrete. I thought I would point out from a material point of view that expanded metal lath is about $3.50 the 2'x8' sheet or $0.21per...
Mikey Sklar
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Mar 9, 2008
4:13 pm

After re-reading my post, I see that semantics could get in the way of folks understanding what I wrote: "As for your burlap question: yes, its real burlap...
John Annesley
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Mar 10, 2008
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I read it correctly... <G> According to my handy, dandy little calculator, that works out to about 7¢ per square foot -- not bad, and something I for one am...
Joyce E
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Mar 10, 2008
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... Just curious, John, did you consider or try spraying the burlap with PC? Even a high cement content PC should give you a bit more elasticity. Also, you...
Ernie Phelps
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Mar 10, 2008
2:09 pm

... posts also- Clyde In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Ernie Phelps"...
clydetcurry Offline Send Email Mar 10, 2008
2:34 pm

Actually I've never used commercial carpet for papercrete structures directly. There is someone on the list (I forget who also). I have used old throw away...
Mikey Sklar
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Mar 10, 2008
2:48 pm

Ernie, to answer your questions: 1) Regarding the idea of spraying the burlap with PC, no I didn't try that or even think of it until you mentioned it....
John Annesley
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Mar 11, 2008
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My concern with building a metal framed structure and coating it in wire, was to find a way to trap the wire as part of a structural matrix with the coating....
Nick Boersema
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Mar 11, 2008
10:57 am

So, to repeat my previous question, John, how do you plan to insulate the structure? What are you going to use inside the burlap structure to make the walls...
Robert & Connie
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Mar 11, 2008
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Hi Connie, Well in kind, let me repeat my already given answer, copied and pasted from my last response to you- "How am I going to insulate my yurt shaped...
John Annesley
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Mar 11, 2008
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My apologies, John, for missing your first response. More questions though--do you mind sharing your specific recipe for that paper/clay/lime/borax mix that is...
Robert & Connie
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Mar 12, 2008
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Hi Connie- Jack Bays is the name of the man who made paperadobe mixed with asphalt emulsion for decades, starting almost 80 years ago. There's a book of his I...
John Annesley
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Mar 13, 2008
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... up ... Connie, if you're referring to Jack Bays, I found this at Charmaine's Dirt Cheap Builder site: http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com/nububooncd.html It is...
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Nick, I like your idea of spraying successive layers of PC, a light insulating layer and a heavy fireproof layer; I might try that. The only thing that...
John Annesley
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Mar 11, 2008
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You must mean "nonflammable". "Inflammable" = flammable. Capable of catching fire easily and burning rapidly. I would guess that asphalt emulsion is far...
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Mar 12, 2008
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Yes Neal, you're quite correct that I meant nonflammable. I wasn't paying attention and got caught in the illogical workings of the English language there....
John Annesley
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Mar 13, 2008
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John, Well yes of course tar paper is made by saturating some kind of coarse cellulose fiber with asphalt emulsion, but what is the manufacturing process...
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Mar 13, 2008
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Neal, Jack Bays used asphalt emulsion, cold out of the can, and it dissolves fine in papercrete as asphalt emulsion is composed of water, kaolin (clay),...
John Annesley
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Mar 13, 2008
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The stinky stuff the roofers are pulling along is tar, not asphalt emulsion. It is a solid at room temperature and has to be heated to apply it. AE is a form...
Spaceman
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Mar 13, 2008
4:27 pm

Regardless of whether or not AE will be absorbed by paper fibers or not I would choose not to use it particularly in an interior application. It may work...
Nick Boersema
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Mar 13, 2008
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Nick, Asphalt Emulsion isn't a hydrocarbon, nor does it contain any of those. There are asphalt lakes in various parts of the world which occur naturally....
John Annesley
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Mar 14, 2008
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Gto the following link and click on data sheets for Henry's 107 http://www.henry.com/Protective_Roof_Coatings.20.0.html Just a few extracts: Warning: Product...
Nick Boersema
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Mar 14, 2008
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... False. "Asphalt itself is a hydrocarbon mixture that is heated until it has the consistency of tar." http://www.wisegeek.com/how-is-asphalt-made.htm ... ...
Ernie Phelps
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Mar 14, 2008
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Ernie, Nick For some reason I was thinking that a hydrocarbon was a man-made, toxic result from industry, hence I made the mistake of thinking there weren't...
John Annesley
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Mar 14, 2008
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... John, Truly sorry if my post came across as "sneering". I actually have quite a bit of respect for the innovative flair you seem to bring to the subject of...
Ernie Phelps
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Mar 15, 2008
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"Black Jack non-fibered asphalt emulsion is an odorless, solvent-free, non-combustible product..." ...according to Black Jack. I'm hoping that this is my...
John Annesley
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Mar 15, 2008
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... liability nightmare - of course bitumin is toxic - but then mechanics regularly wash grease off there hands with gasoline-if I forget to wear gloves, I get...
clydetcurry Offline Send Email Mar 15, 2008
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Thanks for John and Spaceman for educating me on the virtues of AE. I assume this is what can be bought at Home Depot, etc., under the Henry brand. Neal ... ...
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