Electronic Business using XML

ebXML Seminars will be conducted by the ebXML Initiative leaders in
Melbourne (14 November) and Sydney (15 November). They are a 'must attend'
for EC/EB professionals and Business Managers. Further details and online
registration for the Seminars can be found at http://www.tradegate.org.au
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It is clear that XML will be the business syntax of the Internet. It is also
clear and vital that software developed for business on the Internet uses a
standard framework to ensure interoperabilty between the various products
expected to be available. To develop otherwise and create proprietary
messaging in XML would be irresponsible and inhibit the growth of
transactional electronic business. The use of the Internet for business
transactions by SME's will rely on interoperability.

The United Nations Centre for Facilitation of Trade and Electronic Business
(UN/CEFACT) has joined forces with the Organisation for the Advancement of
Structured Information Standards (OASIS) to establish a set of
specifications that together enable a modular, yet complete, global
electronic business framework.

The work is being carried out by international teams through a project
titled 'ebXML Initiative'. The 'eb' of course representing 'electronic
business'. This project has been in place for 12 months of its projected
time of 18 months and is well advanced in providing the specifications
required. At the next meeting of the Initiative in Tokyo (6 - 10 November)
many of the specifications will be discussed and agreed. They will
subsequently be available for incorporation into software developments
utilising XML as the business language. In fact some are being used already!

Organisations, groups and leading vertical and horizontal industry exchanges
such as GCI, RosettaNet, OTA, AIAG are adopting the ebXML specifications.
Major EC/EB companies such as Sun Microsystems, IBM, Microsoft, CommerceOne,
etc., are participating in the development of the specifications.

EC Managers, EC Analysts, Business Managers, IT Managers, Software
Developers and industry groups and hubs contemplating using the Internet for
business transactions cannot afford to ignore the outcomes and
specifications of the ebXML Initiative.

For these reasons Tradegate ECA - the peak body for electronic business
standards in Australia - has invited the Chairman of the ebXML Initiative
(Klaus-Dieter Naujok) and four of the Project Team Leaders to Australia for
two seminars, to be conducted in Melbourne and Sydney, immediately following
the Tokyo meeting. The Melbourne Seminar will be on 14 November at the
Melbourne Convention Centre and the Sydney Seminar will be on 15 November at
the ANZ Theatre Australian National Maritime Museum, Darling Harbor.

Further information about the ebXML Initiative (and also UN/CEFACT and
OASIS) can be found at http://www.ebxml.org

Tradegate ECA - through the Australian CEFACT Management Committee - is
supported in this event by Standards Australia, EAN Australia and the
Australian Computer Society.

Barry Keogh
Manager Melbourne
Tradegate ECA

As mentioned at the ebXML meeting today ...progress in the healthcare
sector. Below is the press release from HL7.

Regards,
David Shore
Health Insurance Commission

Health Level Seven, Inc.
PRESS RELEASE

Contact: Karen Van Hentenryck

+1 (734) 677-7777
For Immediate Release

HL7 to Release First XML-based Standard for Healthcare

Ann Arbor, Mich.¾October 4, 2000-Health Level Seven, Inc. (HL7)
successfully balloted what it believes to be the first XML-based
standard for healthcare-the Clinical Document Architecture (CDA). The
CDA, which was until recently known as the Patient Record
Architecture
(PRA), provides an exchange model for clinical documents (such as
discharge summaries and progress notes)-and brings the healthcare
industry closer to the realization of an electronic medical record.
The CDA Standard is expected to be published as an ANSI approved
standard by the end of the year.

By leveraging the use of XML, the HL7 Reference Information Model
(RIM) and coded vocabularies,  the CDA makes documents both
machine-readable-so they are easily parsed and processed
electronically-and human-readable-so they can be easily retrieved and
used by the people that need them. CDA documents can be displayed
using XML-aware Web browsers or wireless applications such as cell
phones, as shown by Nokia at the HIMSS 2000 demonstration.

The CDA is only the first example of HL7's commitment to the
advancement of XML-based e-healthcare technologies within the
clinical, patient care domain. Along with the CDA, HL7 is developing
XML-based Version 3 messages. These Version 3 messages enhance the
usability of HL7 by offering greater precision and less optionality,
conformance profiles that will help guarantee compliance, coded
attributes linked to standard vocabularies, and an explicit,
comprehensive, and open information model-the HL7 RIM. All this,
packaged in a standardized XML syntax for ease of interoperability.

In 1999, HL7 also successfully balloted a recommendation for sending
V2.3.1 messages using XML encoding.  In 2001, HL7 will ballot, as a
normative standard, a methodology for producing HL7 approved DTDs for
Version 2.4 and previous versions.

(more)

"We want to dispel the notion that XML alone offers an alternative to

HL7," said Stan Huff, chair of the HL7 board of directors. "XML is an
encoding that complements the semantic content provided by the HL7
RIM, allowing users to exploit all the possibilities of the Internet.
The extensibility inherent in XML is resulting in an explosion of
schemas and DTDs from diverse sources, which actually decreases the
ability to provide plug and play applications. The development of a
model-based, standardized and industry-accepted application of XML,
as
provided by HL7, will help decrease the cost of integration, and
improve the reliability and consistency of communications between
disparate systems and enterprises."

HL7's history with the Web and XML stretches back to the inception of
the technologies. The organization is a long-standing and active
member of the World Wide Web Consortium-the creators and keepers of
XML. It has also exchanged sponsor memberships with OASIS, a
non-profit, international consortium that operates XML.org, a global
XML industry portal used to collect and distribute XML schemas.

Hi,

The article "Enemies One Day -- Partners the Next?" in ZDNet today comments on how ebXML can be the future global B2B supply chain by being a comprehensive enough standard and including other standards (eg. UDDI or SOAP).

http://www.optusnet.excite.com.au/news/story/zdnet/20001011/08/tech/au0006053.inp

Jordi

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Cable & Wireless Optus (Technology & Planning)

101 Miller St., North Sydney NSW 2060, Australia
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http://www.ebxml.org/news/pr_20000911.htm
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regards
tim mcgrath
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The ebXML presentations are readable (correct format) now.
http://ebxml.org/meetings/20000807/sjconf.htm

Jordi

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Manager Advanced Internet Services & E-Commerce
Cable & Wireless Optus (Technology & Planning)

101 Miller St., North Sydney NSW 2060, Australia
Ph:  +61 2 9342 6113
Fax: +61 2 9342 7766
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i forgot to add, the 'unified theory' is included in the closing plenary
presentations.

Robert Dakin wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:37:15 +0800, you wrote:
>
> >here is my personal summary of the San Jose Plenary....
>
> Tim,
>
> Many thanks for your summary - very informative.
>
> Were there any handouts from the - "Unified Theory of ebXML"
> presentation?  If so, is there any chance of getting a copy?
>
> Regards,
> Robert Dakin
> ___________________________________________________________
> Dr Robert Dakin
> Dakin Technology
> daktec@...
> Home page:   http://www.pcug.org.au/~daktec/
> Tel: +61 2 6255 1436  Fax: +61 2 6255 1304

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tim mcgrath
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phone: +618 93352228  fax: +618 93352142

yes the presentations are supposed to be on the web site (www.ebxml.org)
but they appear to be in a strange PDF format that no-one can read .
this is being address.....


Robert Dakin wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:37:15 +0800, you wrote:
>
> >here is my personal summary of the San Jose Plenary....
>
> Tim,
>
> Many thanks for your summary - very informative.
>
> Were there any handouts from the - "Unified Theory of ebXML"
> presentation?  If so, is there any chance of getting a copy?
>
> Regards,
> Robert Dakin
> ___________________________________________________________
> Dr Robert Dakin
> Dakin Technology
> daktec@...
> Home page:   http://www.pcug.org.au/~daktec/
> Tel: +61 2 6255 1436  Fax: +61 2 6255 1304

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:37:15 +0800, you wrote:

>here is my personal summary of the San Jose Plenary....

Tim,

Many thanks for your summary - very informative.

Were there any handouts from the - "Unified Theory of ebXML"
presentation?  If so, is there any chance of getting a copy?

Regards,
Robert Dakin
___________________________________________________________
Dr Robert Dakin
Dakin Technology
daktec@...
Home page:   http://www.pcug.org.au/~daktec/
Tel: +61 2 6255 1436  Fax: +61 2 6255 1304

here is my personal summary of the San Jose Plenary....


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not sure if this was already posted but it summarises a lot of the san
jose outcomes.

there are some technical errors regarding the 'message specifications'
but this may be poor terminlogy.

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Did any of you see the article on ebXML in the Financial Review on 11 August
(page 73)? It was an interview with Phillip Merrick whose firm WebMethods
participated in the proof of concept presentation in San Jose. More good
vibes about the way the Initiative is heading.

Barry Keogh

Support for ebXML at San Jose from a most important source.

Barry Keogh

-----Original Message-----
From: ebxml-awareness-errors@...
[mailto:ebxml-awareness-errors@...] On Behalf Of Alan Kotok
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:31 PM
To: ebxml-awareness@...
Cc: jobrien@...; gzimmer@...
Subject: Open Travel Alliance release features ebXML


TO: MAE project team

Last Thursday, in the midst of our meeting, Open Travel Alliance announced
completion of its customer profile specifications and in the release gave
ebXML a nice plug.  See
http://www.opentravel.org/opentravel/press_releases/pr081000.htm for
details.

Hope everyone, including the Bay Area locals, made it home safely.  Best
regards.

Alan Kotok
Director, Education and Information Resources
Data Interchange Standards Association
akotok@...
+1 703-518-4174

More support for ebXML

Barry Keogh

-----Original Message-----
From: ebxml-errors@... [mailto:ebxml-errors@...]
On Behalf Of sutor@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:38 AM
To: ebxml@...
Subject: Article in CRN about ebXML


See http://www.crn.com/sections/News/top_news.asp?ArticleID=19207
for an article in Computer Reseller News related to last week's
proof-of-concept
demo at the ebXML meeting in San Jose.

..........................................................
Bob Sutor
Program Director, XML Technology
Office 716-243-2445 / IBM Tieline 320-9138
Fax 716-243-1778 / Cellular 716-317-6899
Text messaging 7163176899@...
sutor@...  -  http://www.ibm.com/xml

attached is a press release regarding the adoption of ebXML by the GCI group.

i am currently in San Jose and have seen a submission by GCI regarding their
desire to participate in trials later this year.

i will be happy to supply more details on my return.

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Dear All

The inaugural XML Summit conference (organised by IBC
Conferences)will
be held at the Carlton Crest Hotel Sydney 5th - 7th September. If
you're interested in attending the details for this conference can be
found at http://www.ibcoz.com.au/gx80

Regards, George

Hi Team,

Following last Friday's meeting, I decided to
delurk....  So if all works OK,  here I am.

Cheers,  dave botherway, e.colesmyer..

EbXML Brussels Plenary report.
Tim McGrath

This meeting marked the mid-way point in the 18 month programme of
ebXML.  It saw the first deliverable (the Requirements Document) and
clear progress on schedule for a range of technical specifications from
the various working groups.  ebXML is “on track”.

Approx. 200 people attended.  Strong representation from IBM, SUN and
Commerceone but no  person from Microsoft (this time).  The current
ebXML mailing lists have approx. 1000 members (NB problems with the
listserver have lost some records – participants are advised to check
their memberships).  In addition to this, there are EASI-type groups in
many other countries.

Plenary Outcomes
Acceptance of Requirements Document.  This includes the process for
acceptance of technical specifications.
Establishment of “Proof of Concept” team to co-ordinate and promote
trial implementations by interested 3rd parties (Joint pilot projects
open invitation).
Approached by GCI (US retail consortium) for co-operative participation.

Plenary Highlights
Demonstration by Transport, Packaging and Routing group
Demonstration by Business Processes Group
Presentation by Core Components Group
- Largest group (80+)
- Most EDI background people
- Strategy:
- Identify ‘common’, core components of business exchanges (e.g. PARTY,
DATE)
- Using UML methodology to produce ‘syntax-neutral’ definitions
- Separating syntax (what it looks like) from context (when it is used)
- I.e. class (eg. address)
- sub-class (eg. billing address)
- context (eg. trading region/country)
NB semantics in the naming
- Industry-vertical sub-groups combine findings
This process accommodates the EDI knowledge-base, by debating and
refining the contexts of these core components and ‘proving’ them in the
field.  Practitioners are asked to review the current definitions and
apply them to real-world experience. (refer to www.ebxml.org – Core
Components for details.) This group does not require XML knowledge.

Steps before next plenary
Documents for comment (2 pass edit cycle) …
- Technical Architecture Specification
- Reg Rep Part 1: Business Domains (NB this group needs more members)
- TP&R  Message Envelope Specification
- TP&R  Overview & Requirements document(revised)

Next Plenary meetings: San Francisco (August 7-11) , Tokyo (November
6-10)


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This appeared on ZDNet news (I think). Sorry I do not have the URL where it appeared. I've just been forwarded this.
Jordi
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Is XML ready for Prime Time? 8: 06 AM AEST June 29
<<...OLE_Obj...>> XML has many technical promises, ranging from tractable data exchange to platform independence (supporting everything from a mobile phone to a desktop PC). However, the development and evolution of XML has many side effects, some of which are, if not precisely bearing fruit, in full flower, and showing signs of healthy cross-pollination.  Several blossoms are in evidence at the XML Developer's Conference, held this week in New York.  For XML to succeed, industry groups must reach consensus about the rules of interaction, and identify the information to be exchanged. Industry groups must agree on the vocabularies they'll share and the schemas that define them. They also need a way to find out which schemas are available, or have been updated.  One advancement on XML's evolutionary ladder is this week's announcement of an XML registry, sponsored by OASIS (www.oasis-open.org), the nonprofit XML interoperability consortium. Member organisations and individuals can submit, publish and exchange XML specifications, with no strings attached. The registry (<http://xml.org/registry>) enables easy access and public availability of industry standard schemas, specifications, and vocabularies.  Less quantifiable but no less impressive are several collaborative projects among businesses that might not otherwise be seen in the same room. Sun XML Technology Centre engineering manager and OASIS president Bill Smith said that establishing the standards XML needs, "requires that we reach agreement with our fiercest competitors and our best friends, to work out solutions for the future."  Among the most promising projects is ebXML, a schema for electronic business being developed with the active involvement of the United Nations.  By every account, and despite our usual ratio of cynicism, these efforts are succeeding. While every vendor has a natural tendency to promote its own agenda, the industries whose products and services have value only when data is exchanged--financial services, the travel industry, health care--are actively working together to adopt the technology.  That's largely with the help of OASIS, as part of its purpose is to coordinate efforts and mitigate competitive issues between its members.

FYI

regards Keith
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NEWS
NetLedger opens up with XML

May 16th 2000: A common standard for exchanging
business information between online application providers
came a step closer yesterday with NetLedger's
announcement of SMBXML - the first set of XML
definitions specifically designed for use between ASPs
addressing the small business market.

[http://www.aspnews.com/_News/News000516NetLedger.htm]

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Technology & Planning, Cable & Wireless Optus
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i shall be taking this up with the core components group in Brussels.

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Tim, et al.

One of the objectives for the Core Components team in ebXML is to define
these common items in a syntax-neutral way that allows for easy translation
to XML or EDI.  How to achieve that goal is of course critical, but will be
the focus of the discussions at the upcoming Brussels meeting.  Best regards.

Alan Kotok
akotok@...
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At 11:40 AM 4/17/00 +0800, Tim McGrath wrote:
>Well!  we thought it was only us.
>
>Coincidentally, I have recently been asked by the ebXML sub-Group of the
>Australian CEFACT Management Committee to voice similar concerns.
>
>Whilst i understand the thread under discussion originates from the
>XML/EDI Group List, it has some application to the processes within ebXML
>as well.
>
>As yet, it has been unclear from the core components group how or when the
>semantic knowledge of 'heritage' EDI methods (e.g. EDIFACT) will be
>incorporated into this initiative.
>
>I suspect, there are a considerable number of persons with appropriate
>knowledge and experience in solving many of the semantic and structural
>issues facing the group who are wondering how to contribute to this process.
>
>The statement in the Core Componenents section of the ebXML Requirements
>Specification is:
>>
>>? Use semantics solutions that accommodate currently defined accredited
>>EDI semantics where they add value
>- are there processes in place to bring this about?
>
>
>Samuel L Matzen wrote:
>>Ian,
>>
>>I think you have voiced my concerns here.  But what I suspect will happen is
>>that most of the "new" efforts being started now are primarily through
>>ignorance of the value of traditional EDI dictionary content.  These new
>>efforts will recreate and remodel until they find that their efforts fall
>>short of the universal need, then they will have no choice but to look at
>>the real world of EDI and integrate the EDIFACT and other data dictionaries
>>into their models.
>>
>>IMHO: What is happening here is that most of these efforts are trying to
>>differentiate themselves from traditional EDI rather than integrating
>>themselves into the vast effort already expended to create the standards
>>already in place.  Then by manipulating the statistics, making the
>>e-commerce community believe they have a solution.  Their solutions may work
>>for a small part of the total EDI picture, but every time I take a look at
>>them, find them lacking many of the requirements for real-world, universal
>>EDI.  But I could be wrong.
>>
>>Samuel L Matzen
>>smatzen@...
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-xmledi-list@...
>>[<mailto:owner-xmledi-list@...>mailto:owner-xmledi-list@lis
>>ts.bizserve.com]On Behalf Of Ian Galbraith
>>Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:34 AM
>>To: 'ebXML Core Components (E-mail)'; William J. Kammerer
>>Cc: David; XML/EDI Group (E-mail)
>>Subject: Re: Summary of XML Datatypes as required for B2B applications
>>
>>Oh William, how right you are!  The EDIFACT dictionaries (and the rest) have
>>evolved through years of consideration of real user needs; it is not a big
>>deal to convert the essential semantic content of these dictionaries into a
>>different syntactic environment.  This was exactly the intent behind EDML.
>>The EDML proof of concept work demonstrated a means of transferring semantic
>>content (ie data dictionaries) developed for one syntactic message structure
>>into a quite different syntactic structure.  So to my mind an obvious way to
>>accelerate the development of XML-based ecommerce would be to exploit the
>>EDIFACT (and other) data dictionaries. But right now I don't have much
>>confidence that the good bits of EDIFACT, X12, HL7, etc will actually be
>>exploited.  It seems perhaps, that in rejecting the syntactic structures of
>>"traditional" EDI the semantic baby is being thrown out with the bathwater.
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>Ian
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: William J. Kammerer <wkammerer@...>
>>To: 'ebXML Core Components (E-mail)' <ebxml-core@...>
>>Cc: XML/EDI Group (E-mail) <xmledi-list@...>
>>Date: 15 April 2000 15:12
>>Subject: Summary of XML Datatypes as required for B2B applications
>>
>> >There's an interesting thread entitled "Summary of XML Datatypes as
>> >required for B2B applications," started by Martin Bryan, with commentary
>> >by Messrs. Kotok, Folkerts, and Haugen, on the XML-EDI mailing list. See
>> ><http://www.mail-archive.com/xmledi-list%40lists.bizserve.com/>http://ww
>> w.mail-archive.com/xmledi-list%40lists.bizserve.com/ for the
>> >archives.
>> >
>> >Note that EDIFACT is being re-invented all over again, especially the
>> >MEA, CUX and DTM segments. Bob Haugen says:
>> >
>> >   I think all of your other suggestions are essential to business
>> >   communications.  One thought:  if you left the timestamp off
>> >   the currency and put it on the business event (which needs it
>> >   anyway), then your measurements and currencies
>> >   would have the same structure ( amount and unit).  This could
>> >   mean one structure for measurements of all resources.
>> >
>> >Absolutely brilliant!  Can't argue with this - building up semantic
>> >meaning from lego blocks.  EDIFACT does this already with the standard
>> >CUX (Currencies) - DTM (Date/time/period) segment group.  X12 does also,
>> >to some extent, but tends to overload its segments semantically (e.g.,
>> >the X12 CUR segment includes the date and time itself, and does not
>> >rely on a separate segment to convey the exchange period).
>> >
>> >EDIFACT has been around for over a decade, and apparently is too complex
>> >to use (because of the semantic building block concept?).  Otherwise we
>> >wouldn't be all scrounging around trying to reincarnate EDI in XML
>> >syntax.
>> >
>> >But I do like the concept of semantic building blocks or core
>> >components.  So why re-invent them from scratch?  Just take a look at
>> >the EDIFACT directories and dictionaries, and all of the core components
>> >for ebXML can be effortlessly extracted.
>> >
>> >Or, why don't we just use EDIFACT for ebXML: warts, delimiters, and all,
>> >and save ourselves a heck of a lot of time and trouble?
>> >
>> >William J. Kammerer
>> >FORESIGHT Corp.
>> >4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy.
>> >Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
>> >(614) 791-1600
>> >
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As Ian Galbraith commented...
 

It seems perhaps, that in rejecting the syntactic structures of
"traditional" EDI the semantic baby is being thrown out with the bathwater.

my response was:
 

Well!  we thought it was only us. 

Coincidentally, I have recently been asked by the ebXML sub-Group of the Australian CEFACT Management Committee to voice similar
concerns. 

Whilst i understand the thread under discussion originates from the XML/EDI Group List, it has some application to the processes within
ebXML as well. 

As yet, it has been unclear from the core components group how or when the semantic knowledge of 'heritage' EDI methods (e.g. EDIFACT)
will be incorporated into this initiative. 

I suspect, there are a considerable number of persons with appropriate knowledge and experience in solving many of the semantic and
structural issues facing the group who are wondering how to contribute to this process. 

The statement in the Core Componenents section of the ebXML Requirements Specification is: 

  ? Use semantics solutions that accommodate currently defined accredited EDI semantics where they add value


- are there processes in place to bring this about? 

Garry Grant wrote:

Dear All

considering the discussion had at Friday's EASI meeting this email
makes for interesting reading.

Regards, George

----- Original Message -----
From: William J. Kammerer <wkammerer@...>
To: 'ebXML Core Components (E-mail)' <ebxml-core@...>
Cc: XML/EDI Group (E-mail) <xmledi-list@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:54 PM
Subject: Summary of XML Datatypes as required for B2B applications

There's an interesting thread entitled "Summary of XML Datatypes as
required for B2B applications," started by Martin Bryan, with
commentary by Messrs. Kotok, Folkerts, and Haugen, on the XML-EDI
mailing list. See
http://www.mail-archive.com/xmledi-list%40lists.bizserve.com/ for the
archives.

Note that EDIFACT is being re-invented all over again, especially the
MEA, CUX and DTM segments. Bob Haugen says:

   I think all of your other suggestions are essential to business
   communications.  One thought:  if you left the timestamp off
   the currency and put it on the business event (which needs it
   anyway), then your measurements and currencies would have the same
   structure ( amount and unit).  This could mean one structure for
   measurements of all resources.

Absolutely brilliant!  Can't argue with this - building up semantic
meaning from lego blocks.  EDIFACT does this already with the standard
CUX (Currencies) - DTM (Date/time/period) segment group.  X12 does
also, to some extent, but tends to overload its segments semantically
(e.g., the X12 CUR segment includes the date and time itself, and
does not rely on a separate segment to convey the exchange period).

EDIFACT has been around for over a decade, and apparently is too
complex to use (because of the semantic building block concept?).
Otherwise we wouldn't be all scrounging around trying to reincarnate
EDI in XML syntax.

But I do like the concept of semantic building blocks or core
components.  So why re-invent them from scratch?  Just take a look at
the EDIFACT directories and dictionaries, and all of the core
components for ebXML can be effortlessly extracted.

Or, why don't we just use EDIFACT for ebXML: warts, delimiters, and
all, and save ourselves a heck of a lot of time and trouble?

William J. Kammerer
FORESIGHT Corp.
4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy.
Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
(614) 791-1600

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Dear All

considering the discussion had at Friday's EASI meeting this email
makes for interesting reading.

Regards, George


----- Original Message -----
From: William J. Kammerer <wkammerer@...>
To: 'ebXML Core Components (E-mail)' <ebxml-core@...>
Cc: XML/EDI Group (E-mail) <xmledi-list@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:54 PM
Subject: Summary of XML Datatypes as required for B2B applications


There's an interesting thread entitled "Summary of XML Datatypes as
required for B2B applications," started by Martin Bryan, with
commentary by Messrs. Kotok, Folkerts, and Haugen, on the XML-EDI
mailing list. See
http://www.mail-archive.com/xmledi-list%40lists.bizserve.com/ for the
archives.

Note that EDIFACT is being re-invented all over again, especially the
MEA, CUX and DTM segments. Bob Haugen says:

    I think all of your other suggestions are essential to business
    communications.  One thought:  if you left the timestamp off
    the currency and put it on the business event (which needs it
    anyway), then your measurements and currencies would have the same
    structure ( amount and unit).  This could mean one structure for
    measurements of all resources.

Absolutely brilliant!  Can't argue with this - building up semantic
meaning from lego blocks.  EDIFACT does this already with the standard
CUX (Currencies) - DTM (Date/time/period) segment group.  X12 does
also, to some extent, but tends to overload its segments semantically
(e.g., the X12 CUR segment includes the date and time itself, and
does not rely on a separate segment to convey the exchange period).

EDIFACT has been around for over a decade, and apparently is too
complex to use (because of the semantic building block concept?).
Otherwise we wouldn't be all scrounging around trying to reincarnate
EDI in XML syntax.

But I do like the concept of semantic building blocks or core
components.  So why re-invent them from scratch?  Just take a look at
the EDIFACT directories and dictionaries, and all of the core
components for ebXML can be effortlessly extracted.

Or, why don't we just use EDIFACT for ebXML: warts, delimiters, and
all, and save ourselves a heck of a lot of time and trouble?

William J. Kammerer
FORESIGHT Corp.
4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy.
Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
(614) 791-1600

Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/
"Commerce for a New World"

as discussed at today's meeting I have dug out the reference to UML
resources which was discussed by the Core Components working group.

the URL is

http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_uml.html.

on second inspection, it appears to be a generic UML site not a
specific application methodology as i first thought.  however, it
still has some useful material.

inevitably there will be many of these overlapping initiatives and i concur that
awareness and
co-operation is the answer.

on a related issue is the IETF meeting in Adelaide later this month
(http://www.ietf.org/meetings/IETF-47.html).

whilst not solely dedicated to ebXML issues has the following session...

http://www.ietf.org/ietf/00mar/b2bxml-agenda.txt


Wavell G Cole wrote:

> George et al,
>
> I checked out the policy statement etc. of the OIC and it appears to me that
> there is much duplication comparing OIC to eg Tradegate. I am not sure of
> the reason why it was formed in the first place but their intentions are
> admirable, but I fear disjointed.
>
> I recognise several names of members and recognise the diversity of their
> backgrounds but I keep thinking that another name for OIC could be 'The
> Internet'. Certainly what they are trying to achieve is basically what we
> are trying to achieve.
>
> The best results will be from a uniform approach from all sections of
> Government and Industry. It appears that OIC have taken it on themselves to
> operate independently.
>
> However, we should approach OIC and have them work with ebXML. I am sure we
> would find their objectives are in parallel, except that they have a XML
> concentration where ours in on ebXML.
>
> Wavell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Szuty [mailto:george.szuty@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2000 12:28
> To: oz-ebxml@eGroups.com
> Subject: [oz-ebxml] OIC 12-month XML E-commerce program
>
> Keith
>
> Garry Grant received the following email and thought the group would be
> interested.
>
> Regards, George
>
> From:   Clair GARDINER [inform@...]
> Sent:   Wednesday, 8 March 2000 21:32
> To:
> Cc:     OIC Members
> Subject:        OIC 12-month XML E-commerce program
>
> Hi - this is the 12 month program for the OIC XML Special Interest
> Group (XZIG).  This program is being hosted by Sun Microsystems in
> North Sydney.
>
> There are some very informative sessions lined up over the next 12
> months and this really is an excellent venue for you to network and
> bring your clients and potential clients to listen to XML (Extensible
> Markup Language) and E-Commerce issues.
>
> OBJECTIVES XZIG
>
> The Objectives of the XZIG include:
>
>         1       provide a forum to raise management awareness as well as
technical
>                 awareness of XML as the standard for E-commerce over the
Internet
>         2       Establish 3 XML projects for members over 12 months
>         3       Develop an XML E-commerce accreditation process
>
> The 12 month program includes different streams of management,
> technical and user perspectives.  It is envisaged that members may wish
> to establish technical sub-committees and workgroups for topics such as
> security, sender authority authentication, communication and processing
> overheads
>
> FORUM FOR CLIENTS & POTENTIAL CLIENTS
>
> One of the main purposes for forming the OIC in 1994 http://www.oic.org
> was to
> provide a neutral ground forum to assist business management appreciate
> the issues involved with successful long term implementations of
> Electronic Information Technologies (EIT).
>
> Members of the OIC are encouraged to bring clients and potential
> clients to these
> seminars to discuss the issues and perhaps consider an involvement with
> E-
> commerce project consortia to share the risk and propagate the benefits
> to user
> communities
>
> FEES
>
> To assist with the refreshments attendees are requested to register on
> the OIC Event
> registration site.http://www.oic.org/3a4a1.htm
>
> The fees for seminar registration are:
>                                         Per Person      Membership
>         Non-Member:                     $ 50.00
>         Event Notice Member:            $ 35.00         $   250.00
>         Project Notice Member:          $ 20.00         $   750.00
>         Project Observation Member:     free            $ 1,500.00
>         Project Participation Member:   free            $ 2,000.00
>
> The Membership fees and seminar fees are to fund prototype projects
> like the
> Electronic Event Registration Web forms, develop the OIC Electronic
> infrastructure and extend the contact base
>
> OIC Project Observation and Project Participation Members may bring up
> to 4 persons at no fee. Non-members are limited to 2 persons
>
> OIC Project Observation and Project Participation Members receive
> copies of meetings papers electronically and can access the Special
> Interest Group libraries electronically
>
> As a registered attendee you will receive electronically a copy of the
> papers provided by the speakers for distribution within your own
> organisation and to clients
>
> A Membership application can be submitted on http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm
>
> MEETING SPONSORSHIP
>
> Members can sponsor a meeting which will provide:
>
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>         2       A link to the sponsor Web site
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>
> AGENDA:         18:00 - 18:10           Update OIC
>                 18:10 - 18:15           Update XML Issues
>                 18:25 - 18:30           Meeting Sponsor
>                 18:30 - 19:15           Main Speaker
>                 19:15 - 19:30           Questions
>                 19:30 - 20:00           Refreshment for Networking
>
> The Meeting Sponsorship fee is $ 750.00
>
> Special Interest Group (ZIG&ZAG) Meeting Sponsorship Applications can
> be submitted on http://www.oic.org/3a4s.htm
>
> OIC XML SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP (XZIG) 2000 12 MONTH PROGRAM
>
> MEMBER SPONSOR: Sun Microsystems Australia
>
> VENUE:  L5   33 Berry Street                    PROGRAM CO-ORDINATOR:
>                 NORTH SYDNEY   2060                             Philip YOUNG 
T: (02) 9437-4435
>                                                                 E: 
xzig@...
> MEETING STREAMS:
>
>         *       3 meetings Management overviews         M       }
>         *       3 meetings technical issues                             T
}       1
>         *       3 meetings E-commerce applications      E       }       cycle
>         *       3 meetings user experiences                     U       }
>
> MEETING DATES:
>         3rd Wed in Month after 1st meeting              PROPOSED TOPICS
>
>         Mar     22/03/2000      T       Technical overview of XML progress
>         Apr     19/04/2000      M       Management overview of potential XML
for E-commerce
>         May17/05/2000   E       E-commerce Standards - EDIFACT, Harmonised
system
>         Jun     21/06/2000      U       XML user 1 experience
>         Jul     19/07/2000      M       Proposed XML projects
>         Aug     16/08/2000      T       depending on members feedback
>         Sep     20/09/2000      E       Treasury Best Practice Model for
E-commerce Business
>         Oct     18/10/2000      U       XML user 2 experience
>         Nov     15/11/2000      M       Funding applications status for XML
projects
>         Dec     20/12/2000      T               depending on members feedback
>         Jan     17/01/2001      E               depending on members feedback
>         Feb     21/02/2001      U       XML user 3 experience
>
> MEETING 1A
>
> DATE:           Wed 22/03/2000                          TIME:   17:30 - 20:00
>
> STREAM: Technical
>
> TOPIC:          A technical overview XML and how it applies to E-commerce
>
> SPEAKER:        Tony COATES             Software Developer
REUTERS
>
> ABSTRACT:       XML is proposed as the new standard for E-commerce over the
>                 Internet.  It is a higher level protocol than HTML which is
the
> standard
>                 for Web page development.  Tony will outline where XML fits
with XLL,
>                 XSL, Java, OO  and the status of XML as a standard.
>
> AUDIENCE:       Business Consultants, Technical Management, Software
> Developers,
>
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George et al,

I checked out the policy statement etc. of the OIC and it appears to me that
there is much duplication comparing OIC to eg Tradegate. I am not sure of
the reason why it was formed in the first place but their intentions are
admirable, but I fear disjointed.

I recognise several names of members and recognise the diversity of their
backgrounds but I keep thinking that another name for OIC could be 'The
Internet'. Certainly what they are trying to achieve is basically what we
are trying to achieve.

The best results will be from a uniform approach from all sections of
Government and Industry. It appears that OIC have taken it on themselves to
operate independently.

However, we should approach OIC and have them work with ebXML. I am sure we
would find their objectives are in parallel, except that they have a XML
concentration where ours in on ebXML.

Wavell




-----Original Message-----
From: George Szuty [mailto:george.szuty@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2000 12:28
To: oz-ebxml@eGroups.com
Subject: [oz-ebxml] OIC 12-month XML E-commerce program


Keith

Garry Grant received the following email and thought the group would be
interested.

Regards, George


From: Clair GARDINER [inform@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2000 21:32
To:
Cc: OIC Members
Subject: OIC 12-month XML E-commerce program

Hi - this is the 12 month program for the OIC XML Special Interest
Group (XZIG).  This program is being hosted by Sun Microsystems in
North Sydney.

There are some very informative sessions lined up over the next 12
months and this really is an excellent venue for you to network and
bring your clients and potential clients to listen to XML (Extensible
Markup Language) and E-Commerce issues.

OBJECTIVES XZIG

The Objectives of the XZIG include:

	 1 provide a forum to raise management awareness as well as technical
		 awareness of XML as the standard for E-commerce over the Internet
	 2 Establish 3 XML projects for members over 12 months
	 3 Develop an XML E-commerce accreditation process

The 12 month program includes different streams of management,
technical and user perspectives.  It is envisaged that members may wish
to establish technical sub-committees and workgroups for topics such as
security, sender authority authentication, communication and processing
overheads

FORUM FOR CLIENTS & POTENTIAL CLIENTS

One of the main purposes for forming the OIC in 1994 http://www.oic.org
was to
provide a neutral ground forum to assist business management appreciate
the issues involved with successful long term implementations of
Electronic Information Technologies (EIT).

Members of the OIC are encouraged to bring clients and potential
clients to these
seminars to discuss the issues and perhaps consider an involvement with
E-
commerce project consortia to share the risk and propagate the benefits
to user
communities

FEES

To assist with the refreshments attendees are requested to register on
the OIC Event
registration site.http://www.oic.org/3a4a1.htm

The fees for seminar registration are:
					 Per Person      Membership
	 Non-Member: 	 $ 50.00
	 Event Notice Member:  $ 35.00  $   250.00
	 Project Notice Member:  $ 20.00  $   750.00
	 Project Observation Member: free   	        $ 1,500.00
	 Project Participation Member: free  $ 2,000.00

The Membership fees and seminar fees are to fund prototype projects
like the
Electronic Event Registration Web forms, develop the OIC Electronic
infrastructure and extend the contact base

OIC Project Observation and Project Participation Members may bring up
to 4 persons at no fee. Non-members are limited to 2 persons

OIC Project Observation and Project Participation Members receive
copies of meetings papers electronically and can access the Special
Interest Group libraries electronically

As a registered attendee you will receive electronically a copy of the
papers provided by the speakers for distribution within your own
organisation and to clients

A Membership application can be submitted on http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm

MEETING SPONSORSHIP

Members can sponsor a meeting which will provide:

	 1 An e-mail distribution to over 4,000 contacts
	 2 A link to the sponsor Web site
	 3 The meeting sponsors introduction to explain their
                 organisation/product/service
	 4 A permanent link to their Web site via the OIC Portal

AGENDA:         18:00 - 18:10  Update OIC
		 18:10 - 18:15  Update XML Issues
		 18:25 - 18:30  Meeting Sponsor
		 18:30 - 19:15  Main Speaker
		 19:15 - 19:30  Questions
		 19:30 - 20:00  Refreshment for Networking

The Meeting Sponsorship fee is $ 750.00

Special Interest Group (ZIG&ZAG) Meeting Sponsorship Applications can
be submitted on http://www.oic.org/3a4s.htm

OIC XML SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP (XZIG) 2000 12 MONTH PROGRAM

MEMBER SPONSOR: Sun Microsystems Australia

VENUE: L5   33 Berry Street 	 PROGRAM CO-ORDINATOR:
		 NORTH SYDNEY   2060 		 Philip YOUNG  T: (02) 9437-4435
								 E:  xzig@...
MEETING STREAMS:

	 * 3 meetings Management overviews  M }
	 * 3 meetings technical issues 		 T } 1
	 * 3 meetings E-commerce applications E } cycle
	 * 3 meetings user experiences 	 U }

MEETING DATES:
	 3rd Wed in Month after 1st meeting  PROPOSED TOPICS

	 Mar 22/03/2000 T Technical overview of XML progress
	 Apr 19/04/2000 M Management overview of potential XML for E-commerce
	 May17/05/2000 E E-commerce Standards - EDIFACT, Harmonised system
	 Jun 21/06/2000 U XML user 1 experience
	 Jul 19/07/2000 M Proposed XML projects
	 Aug 16/08/2000 T depending on members feedback
	 Sep 20/09/2000 E Treasury Best Practice Model for E-commerce Business
	 Oct 18/10/2000 U XML user 2 experience
	 Nov 15/11/2000 M Funding applications status for XML projects
	 Dec 20/12/2000 T  depending on members feedback
	 Jan 17/01/2001 E  depending on members feedback
	 Feb 21/02/2001 U XML user 3 experience

MEETING 1A

DATE:  Wed 22/03/2000 		 TIME: 17:30 - 20:00

STREAM: Technical

TOPIC:  A technical overview XML and how it applies to E-commerce

SPEAKER: Tony COATES  Software Developer 	 REUTERS

ABSTRACT: XML is proposed as the new standard for E-commerce over the
		 Internet.  It is a higher level protocol than HTML which is the
standard
		 for Web page development.  Tony will outline where XML fits with XLL,
		 XSL, Java, OO  and the status of XML as a standard.

AUDIENCE: Business Consultants, Technical Management, Software
Developers,

To assist with the refreshments attendees are requested to register on
the OIC Event
registration site.http://www.oic.org/3a4a1.htm






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Regards, George


From: Clair GARDINER [inform@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2000 21:32
To:
Cc: OIC Members
Subject: OIC 12-month XML E-commerce program

Hi - this is the 12 month program for the OIC XML Special Interest
Group (XZIG).  This program is being hosted by Sun Microsystems in
North Sydney.

There are some very informative sessions lined up over the next 12
months and this really is an excellent venue for you to network and
bring your clients and potential clients to listen to XML (Extensible
Markup Language) and E-Commerce issues.

OBJECTIVES XZIG

The Objectives of the XZIG include:

	 1 provide a forum to raise management awareness as well as technical
		 awareness of XML as the standard for E-commerce over the Internet
	 2 Establish 3 XML projects for members over 12 months
	 3 Develop an XML E-commerce accreditation process

The 12 month program includes different streams of management,
technical and user perspectives.  It is envisaged that members may wish
to establish technical sub-committees and workgroups for topics such as
security, sender authority authentication, communication and processing
overheads

FORUM FOR CLIENTS & POTENTIAL CLIENTS

One of the main purposes for forming the OIC in 1994 http://www.oic.org
was to
provide a neutral ground forum to assist business management appreciate
the issues involved with successful long term implementations of
Electronic Information Technologies (EIT).

Members of the OIC are encouraged to bring clients and potential
clients to these
seminars to discuss the issues and perhaps consider an involvement with
E-
commerce project consortia to share the risk and propagate the benefits
to user
communities

FEES

To assist with the refreshments attendees are requested to register on
the OIC Event
registration site.http://www.oic.org/3a4a1.htm

The fees for seminar registration are:
					 Per Person      Membership
	 Non-Member: 	 $ 50.00
	 Event Notice Member:  $ 35.00  $   250.00
	 Project Notice Member:  $ 20.00  $   750.00
	 Project Observation Member: free   	        $ 1,500.00
	 Project Participation Member: free  $ 2,000.00

The Membership fees and seminar fees are to fund prototype projects
like the
Electronic Event Registration Web forms, develop the OIC Electronic
infrastructure and extend the contact base

OIC Project Observation and Project Participation Members may bring up
to 4 persons at no fee. Non-members are limited to 2 persons

OIC Project Observation and Project Participation Members receive
copies of meetings papers electronically and can access the Special
Interest Group libraries electronically

As a registered attendee you will receive electronically a copy of the
papers provided by the speakers for distribution within your own
organisation and to clients

A Membership application can be submitted on http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm

MEETING SPONSORSHIP

Members can sponsor a meeting which will provide:

	 1 An e-mail distribution to over 4,000 contacts
	 2 A link to the sponsor Web site
	 3 The meeting sponsors introduction to explain their
                 organisation/product/service
	 4 A permanent link to their Web site via the OIC Portal

AGENDA:         18:00 - 18:10  Update OIC
		 18:10 - 18:15  Update XML Issues
		 18:25 - 18:30  Meeting Sponsor
		 18:30 - 19:15  Main Speaker
		 19:15 - 19:30  Questions
		 19:30 - 20:00  Refreshment for Networking

The Meeting Sponsorship fee is $ 750.00

Special Interest Group (ZIG&ZAG) Meeting Sponsorship Applications can
be submitted on http://www.oic.org/3a4s.htm

OIC XML SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP (XZIG) 2000 12 MONTH PROGRAM

MEMBER SPONSOR: Sun Microsystems Australia

VENUE: L5   33 Berry Street 	 PROGRAM CO-ORDINATOR:
		 NORTH SYDNEY   2060 		 Philip YOUNG  T: (02) 9437-4435
								 E:  xzig@...
MEETING STREAMS:

	 * 3 meetings Management overviews  M }
	 * 3 meetings technical issues 		 T } 1
	 * 3 meetings E-commerce applications E } cycle
	 * 3 meetings user experiences 	 U }

MEETING DATES:
	 3rd Wed in Month after 1st meeting  PROPOSED TOPICS

	 Mar 22/03/2000 T Technical overview of XML progress
	 Apr 19/04/2000 M Management overview of potential XML for E-commerce
	 May17/05/2000 E E-commerce Standards - EDIFACT, Harmonised system
	 Jun 21/06/2000 U XML user 1 experience
	 Jul 19/07/2000 M Proposed XML projects
	 Aug 16/08/2000 T depending on members feedback
	 Sep 20/09/2000 E Treasury Best Practice Model for E-commerce Business
	 Oct 18/10/2000 U XML user 2 experience
	 Nov 15/11/2000 M Funding applications status for XML projects
	 Dec 20/12/2000 T  depending on members feedback
	 Jan 17/01/2001 E  depending on members feedback
	 Feb 21/02/2001 U XML user 3 experience

MEETING 1A

DATE:  Wed 22/03/2000 		 TIME: 17:30 - 20:00

STREAM: Technical

TOPIC:  A technical overview XML and how it applies to E-commerce

SPEAKER: Tony COATES  Software Developer 	 REUTERS

ABSTRACT: XML is proposed as the new standard for E-commerce over the
		 Internet.  It is a higher level protocol than HTML which is the
standard
		 for Web page development.  Tony will outline where XML fits with XLL,
		 XSL, Java, OO  and the status of XML as a standard.

AUDIENCE: Business Consultants, Technical Management, Software
Developers,

To assist with the refreshments attendees are requested to register on
the OIC Event
registration site.http://www.oic.org/3a4a1.htm

Please ignore

--- David Dobbing, Data Logistics, ddobbing@...

oz-ebxml-subscribe@eGroups.com

Hi,

An Interest Group for Australia representatives for the ebXML initiative.

Cheers,

Keith Finkelde