Thank You, Peter for your sane reply to this fear mongering.

Technique is everything when doing IV work. My biggest concern with injection of
ozone
would be if someone were using a pic or central line. I am wondering if you
think it is OK to use these kind of lines for direct IV ozone application. One
thought I had, since these lines are suppose to stay in place for up to 3
months, would the ozone erode the catheter that is in the vein? Sometimes these
catheters are quite long, going from the antecubital insert site, or there
abouts, almost all the way to the heart. This would worry me. Have you had
experience using ozone with these lines?
thanks,
Arrow


-- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, Peter Professor Ozone Jovanovic <peter@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear all:
>
> Time for me to say something about this...
>
> It is my opinion that Edy was sharing a story and not saying that it is ok
> to inject air. Merely pointing out what happened so that those of you that
> believe ozone IV can create an emboli are misguided due to the lack of
> nitrogen. Please as always read as much as you can to be educated. What I
> want to say is that there are many references, which I have included some
> and it is up to all of you what you believe or interpret from what is
> stated. As in all cases do not do what others tell you, research and only do
> what you are comfortable with and accept responsibility for it.
>
> For the record, in my time with many thousands of those treated in our
> clinics and hospitals, I have never come across one person that suffered
> from an embolism, although we have always used pure oxygen and medical ozone
> units.
>
>
> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec04/ch046/ch046a.html
>
> http://www.vascularweb.org/patients/NorthPoint/Pulmonary_Embolism.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_embolism
>
> http://www.impactednurse.com/?p=303
>
> http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1873
>
> http://www.secondopinionnewsletter.com/pages.aspx/28/Hydrogen%20Peroxide%20D
> oesn%27t%20Kill%20Patients,%20Drugs%20Do!/
>
> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/embolism/Pages/Introduction.aspx
> I'm a vet, and I can say that some of the ideas people have suggested would
> only work with a very big needle or if you were very lucky.
> We sometimes inject euthenasia solution into the heart to euthenase animals
> (under unusual circumstances). The actual needle going in does not cause
> death, only the chemical, which is an overdose of anaesthetic. So you could
> cause death by injecting something through the needle into the heart, if it
> was a hypodermic, but not with the needle itself, unless you had dipped it
> in a toxin of some kind beforehand. Also, it can be quite hard to hit the
> heart even if you have been trained to do so, so your torturer might not
> manage.
> An air embolus in a vein is not always fatal, it depends where it ends up.
> Medics (human and veterinary) try to avoid running air bubbles through
> drips, but it does sometimes happen, and usually it doesn't cause a problem.
> You could not easily kill someone by sticking a needle into an artery. For
> one thing, arteries have thick rubbery walls and are not that easy to
> pierce: they tend to slip off the needle. For another, blood clots fast, and
> you would need a big hole for blood to flow out faster than the clot blocked
> it for long enough for the person to bleed out and die. More likely, you'd
> just end up with a big painful bruise. The same is true of puncturing a
> vein.
> I think the best method would be via the brain, as someone else said. This
> is basically what they do when they pith frogs for physiology experiments
> (or used to). You could try sticking the needle up through the hard palate,
> in through the nose or back of the eye socket, or perhaps through an ear,
> but in all cases you would need a big, strong needle and a hammer. A skewer
> might work better. I don't think many of these would be instant. Also bear
> in mind that the brain itself does not feel pain because it has no pain
> receptors, so while the damage on the way through the skull would be
> excruciating, the brain bit wouldn't hurt.
> Or, if you wanted to do it very slowly, you could stick the needle through
> their abdomen and into their guts a few times (not all that easy either:
> guts tend to slip out of the way). Then intestinal bacteria would leak into
> the abdomen and they'd get peritonitis, become very ill, and die: but it
> would take days and days, and not be guaranteed.
> Yuck.
> Murder by air embolism is quite rare, despite the strong chances of a
> murderer escaping scot free in such cases. This is because such a technique
> requires great skill. Not everyone can handle a syringe, let alone puncture
> a vein successfully with it. I have a nagging fear that such type of murder
> might be very common among the drug addicts of our country. They are quite
> suited for committing such types of murder. They can handle syringes very
> deftly (almost as deftly as doctors, as they have to inject the drugs
> through the syringe all the time), and they need to do away with people
> fairly commonly.
> In my whole life, I have encountered just one case of murder by air embolism
> and that too when I was in Edinburgh. The case was of a doctor husband who
> had got tired of his nagging wife. The husband was carrying on an affair
> with one of his female patients and his wife had got hint of that. She was
> having fits of faintness for quite sometime. So one day the doctor filled up
> a large syringe with air and injected air into her veins under the pretext
> that he was giving her some drug. About 200 c.c. of air is required to kill
> a person by air embolism. I do not know how he managed to inject that much
> amount through a syringe. Even a commonly used large syringe takes in about
> 20 c.c. of air only. He might have used a bigger syringe or may be he
> repeatedly pushed the air inside by removing the piston from the syringe
> again and again. Well, the important thing is that he did use the air for
> committing the murder. He would have gone scot free, but when I asked one of
> the witnesses as to what were the symptoms of the lady when she was dying, I
> was told that she was gasping for air. This immediately alerted me. This is
> a symptom of air embolism as we have already seen. Coupled with this was the
> fact that her husband was a doctor. He was ideally suited for committing
> such a type of act. So before opening the body, I decided to take a
> radiograph (X-ray) of the body. Sure enough the bubbles of air could be seen
> in the deceased woman's pulmonary arteries. Then I looked at the dead
> woman's forearms. They showed marks of injection. Immediately I alerted the
> Lothian and Borders Police (the police force that mans the city of
> Edinburgh). A detailed interrogation was done and sure enough the doctor
> admitted his guilt. This was yet another victory of Forensic Medicine.
>
> So we're left to wonder once again, can a shot of air really kill someone?
> The Real Story: Possibly, but only a real tool would test it out.
> Bubbles of air in the circulating blood can cause death or brain damage, if
> the air bubble cuts off the blood supply to your brain.
> However, according to Dr. Barry Wolcott MD, FACP, senior vice president of
> clinical affairs for WebMD <http://www.webmd.com> Health, "In general, the
> small amount of air that can be introduced by a typical syringe is not large
> enough to cause a fatal air embolism (an air embolism is similar to a blood
> clot)."
> Dr. Wolcott explained, "the large amounts of air that can quickly enter
> through a large plastic catheter which is open to the air - like those
> placed in the neck or under the collarbone during resuscitations in
> hospitals and at accident scenes - can be fatal, especially if the patient
> inhales forcefully while the catheter is open to the air."
>
>
> May God Bless You And Keep You Well
>
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> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> DOCTOR HOWARD ROBINS
> Sent: May-19-09 6:43 AM
> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Once again, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO GET TO GET "AIR" IN YOUR BLOOD. THE
> NITROGEN CAN AGGLUTINATE (FORM A BIG BUBBLE) AND KILL YOU. IT CAN KILL YOU.
> ONLY AN INSANE PERSON WOULD TAKE THIS RISK. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES YOU
> SURVIVE THIS MISTAKE, IT'S WRONG TO DO IT AND IT'S WRONG TO ADVISE ANYONE
> THAT "IT'S O.K.".
>
> It's talk like this that makes me feel that maybe, just maybe, Dr Bocci is
> correct about Direct Iv. ONly trained medical professionals should ever do
> it.
>
> PLEASE BE CAREFUL, AS SMOKEY THE BEAR ONCE SAID "THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE
> YOUR OWN".
>
> DR HOWARD ROBINS
>
> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Arrow <arrowwind09@...> wrote:
>
> From: Arrow <arrowwind09@...>
> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV
> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:45 AM
> And even in administering large dosages of air the emboli can be overcome by
> laying on a specific side. As the heart pumps eventually the air breaks up
> and dissipates ....I just don't remember which side you are suppose to lay
> on. Anyone? This is what they do in the hospital if it should occur... in
> many many years of nursing work I have never seen it.
>
> In oxyzone@yahoogroups .com, "edyrayfield@ ..." <edyrayfield@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just to
> calm any fears some of you may have. I have only done it 5 times now, and
> have probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here
> is this. On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the
> regulator, I have since put up a procedure list to check off. So I filled
> the syringe with 10cc's of ambient air. I pushed it in and thought something
> was funny as the vein got very large. As I was turning everything off I saw
> what I had done and got a bit fearful from hearing all the talk of
> embolisms. I waited an hour or so and nothing, absolutely nothing happened.
> So I investigated a few pathologists sites and found out that to cause an
> embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's of air. Which of course there
> aren't even syringes that large. I would never do that again, but if it were
> to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day. I hope this helps anyone
> having trepidations about this useful form of using ozone in certain
> situations.
> >
> > Edy
> >
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