All to say that as long as the services are sung with compunction and prayerful hearts, and IN A LANGUAGE UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PARISH.-That means no slavonic,...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 18, 2013 3:59 pm
The second example is better. " CRY out to you" - The must be a stress on the "CRY"----- so much is missed from translations. Wether it is from the words OR...
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Fr. John Whiteford
frjohnwhiteford
Feb 18, 2013 4:11 pm
I knew a Chinese man in college who commented on the difference between Chinese and English: "Chinese is like a beautiful woman, who can't cook. English is...
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Meg Lark
skovranok
Feb 18, 2013 4:34 pm
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Chad W. Paul McBride ... It can be, but if you put just a little effort into English, it can be equally pretty (and OK, again...
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Meg Lark
skovranok
Feb 18, 2013 4:34 pm
... Dale - sitting here with a big silly grin on my face - YEP! You said it! In Christ, Meg ... On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Dale Dickerson <...
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Elias G. Gorsky
gorskel1
Feb 18, 2013 8:29 pm
Dear Father John, In Slavonic, the following phrases from the litanies give insurmountable preference of honor to Christ. The Slavonic word for Lord [Gospod']...
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Fr. John Whiteford
frjohnwhiteford
Feb 19, 2013 1:15 am
The Greek word for a human "lord", and God the "Lord" is the same. But my point was not to argue that Slavonic, properly understood is inferior to English...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 19, 2013 1:46 am
That i know of, there are about 6 Russian venacular Bible translations. In English, there are more than 70 different translations. The reasons are often...
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Fr. John Whiteford
frjohnwhiteford
Feb 19, 2013 1:47 am
Yes, it is too much to ask. The Apostles didn't ask the Greeks to learn Hebrew. Â Presbyter John Whiteford St. Jonah Orthodox Church Parish Home Page:...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 19, 2013 1:57 am
No, Alexander the Great did. By the time of the birthof Christ, it is estimated that as many as 30% of Greeks became Jewish. On Feb 18, 2013 8:47 PM, "Fr. John...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 19, 2013 1:57 am
If it were not for Alexander's interest in a monotheistic religion, the Jewish religion would have died out. On Feb 18, 2013 8:47 PM, "Fr. John Whiteford"...
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frjohnwhiteford
Feb 19, 2013 1:58 am
Says who? And the Apostles still spoke Hebrew (and/or Aramaic), and yet did not ask the Greek to learn Hebrew. Why should the Greeks ask Americans to learn...
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frjohnwhiteford
Feb 19, 2013 2:00 am
Where do you get that? I believe that God is on the throne, and so don't believe that the survival of the Truth Faith depended on the whims of Alexander the...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 19, 2013 2:05 am
It is history. Ask most any rabbi. I am sure you could see it on the internet. Ill see if wiki has it with refferences for you. On Feb 18, 2013 9:00 PM,...
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frjohnwhiteford
Feb 19, 2013 2:07 am
No, it is not history. If you want to argue to the contrary, you will have to present some references to actual historical documents, not wikipedia, but that...
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Elias G. Gorsky
gorskel1
Feb 19, 2013 2:35 am
Re: The Greek word for a human "lord", and God the "Lord" is the same. That just proves that Slavonic is superior to Greek, too. Re: Even to Russians who have...
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Dale Dickerson
hobbitofny
Feb 19, 2013 2:35 am
English translations are ok and can communication the needed message. However, wishing that people could understand the Scriptures in the original language...
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hobbitofny
Feb 19, 2013 2:56 am
To all who answered my original question, I thank you. As for the way it lead to the exchanges on the topic that followed, I ask your forgiveness. Dale...
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Stephen/ΣτÎφ...
tutorespanol
Feb 19, 2013 11:06 am
Because, in correct English, "lord and father, should NEVER be capitalized when referring to the Patriarch…. Unless it were the first word of a sentence…. ...
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Stephen/ΣτÎφ...
tutorespanol
Feb 19, 2013 11:07 am
As a Greek-American raised in the US, not in Greece, I can attest that: 1)Anyone well "educated"; in Modern Greek, 2) Who attends the Divine Services...
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Meg Lark
skovranok
Feb 19, 2013 11:36 am
... That's actually my fault, Dale, and I ask forgiveness as well. Still, I have greatly enjoyed the exchanges on the subject of languages and their ...
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Fr. John Whiteford
frjohnwhiteford
Feb 20, 2013 12:02 pm
I posted an article on English Translations of the Bible some time back, but the HTML formatting of it was messed up. I had been using Word for web pages,...
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Chad W. Paul McBride
c_mcbride7
Feb 20, 2013 12:08 pm
If you want Greek go to a Greek church. Chad W. Paul McBride c_mcbride7@... What we do in life, Echoes in eternity ... From: Mark Karahalis Date:...
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Chad W. Paul McBride
c_mcbride7
Feb 20, 2013 12:08 pm
I completely agree. Chad W. Paul McBride c_mcbride7@... What we do in life, Echoes in eternity ... From: Meg Lark Date: 2/18/2013 10:34:55 To:...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 20, 2013 12:40 pm
the point is aboutdeveloping wisdom. Truth + Knowledge = Wisdom On Feb 20, 2013 7:08 AM, "Chad W. Paul McBride" <c_mcbride7@...> ... the point is...
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John Billo
jbillo2004
Feb 20, 2013 2:38 pm
No, the point is about acquiring the Holy Spirit. That's pretty hard to do when clergy are speaking in foreign tongues. Reference the examples of Sy Cyril and...
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Mark Karahalis
markkarahalis
Feb 21, 2013 12:14 am
Trust has always been an issue. To paraphrase king james. -- beware of the yeast of the sadjuces and the pharoeeses. If as many people learn hellenist greek it...
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Meg Lark
skovranok
Feb 21, 2013 12:14 am
Thank you for this article, Father - I found it very useful and informative. You mentioned the New Jerusalem Bible in it. Could I ask - is the NJB the same as...
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Fr. John Whiteford
frjohnwhiteford
Feb 21, 2013 12:25 am
The New Jerusalem Bible seems to be loosely based on the Jerusalem Bible. I can't find an online version of the JB to look at, but in the New Testament, it has...
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bismarc
ikonsareholy
Feb 21, 2013 2:27 am
... ***********Juohn I see your point. Whereas in the ancient Church we westerners & African peoples had services in our languages. Its Christ imperative to...
