Hi everyone,

I thought the members would like to know that Subdeacon.com is now up and
running as a forum.

I set up very basic topics but will change as time goes on.

I just thought it would be better to categorize our topics better and make it
easier for new Readers and Subdeacons to seek help and advice from other
Subdeacons and Readers.

Love in Christ
Subdeacon Charles-Michael.

Wonderful.  Thanks for all your hard work and time.
Irene
--- In orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com, "skippycat67" <home@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I thought the members would like to know that Subdeacon.com is now up and
running as a forum.
>
> I set up very basic topics but will change as time goes on.
>
> I just thought it would be better to categorize our topics better and make it
easier for new Readers and Subdeacons to seek help and advice from other
Subdeacons and Readers.
>
> Love in Christ
> Subdeacon Charles-Michael.
>

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Thanks!
GeorgeYuri

On Sep 5 ’11, Michaelbeshonges@... wrote:


[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayETE47XOAs&feature=channel_vid
eo_title

References

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Hi all,

I don't think I've introduced myself - I'm a subdeacon in Brisbane,
Australia, and was made a reader and subdeacon in April this year.

I know that this is only somewhat connected with this list, but I'm running
out of places to look: I'd like to know if anyone on the list has a
comprehensive guide for subdeacons floating around - or knows where I might
be able to obtain the Sokolov manual?

Thanks!
Andrew Smith.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Andrew,

Greetings from down south.

I got a couple of copies of the sokolov book from stspress.com a few years
back but it is no longer on their site. When looking I found the address for
the author so you may want to try him directly (pasted below).

The other thing you can do is look for a service book in english from
svspress or stspress - I found one a few years back designed for priests and
deacons in the OCA but it had all the rubrics for serving with a bishop
included which was really helpful for a subdeacon.

There is also a document on Rubrics on Hirerchical Services at
http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/hierarchical_services_rubrics.ht\
m

The http://www.holytrinitymission.org/ site has some really good resources
online for free.

In Christ,

Subdeacon Andrew Morgan
(Sydney, Australia)

A Subdeacon's Manual*A Subdeacon's Manual* is a guide for subdeacons and
servers at hierarchical services according to the Slavic tradition. Complete
rubrics for the Divine Liturgies, All-Night Vigil, The Liturgy of
Presanctified Gifts, When the Primate of the Church Presides, Ordinations,
and others. With diagrams and illustrations and an illustrated glossary.

Written by Subdeacon Christopher Kirill Sokolov with illustrations by Helena
Kos.

A draft edition is available for $10.00. For information on availability and
ordering information, write to csokolov@....

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Smith
<andrew@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't think I've introduced myself - I'm a subdeacon in Brisbane,
> Australia, and was made a reader and subdeacon in April this year.
>
> I know that this is only somewhat connected with this list, but I'm running
> out of places to look: I'd like to know if anyone on the list has a
> comprehensive guide for subdeacons floating around - or knows where I might
> be able to obtain the Sokolov manual?
>
> Thanks!
> Andrew Smith.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Isn't the Sokolov book available online in Russian?

--- In orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Morgan <andmorg@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Greetings from down south.
>
> I got a couple of copies of the sokolov book from stspress.com a few years
> back but it is no longer on their site. When looking I found the address for
> the author so you may want to try him directly (pasted below).
>
> The other thing you can do is look for a service book in english from
> svspress or stspress - I found one a few years back designed for priests and
> deacons in the OCA but it had all the rubrics for serving with a bishop
> included which was really helpful for a subdeacon.
>
> There is also a document on Rubrics on Hirerchical Services at
>
http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/hierarchical_services_rubrics.ht\
m
>
> The http://www.holytrinitymission.org/ site has some really good resources
> online for free.
>
> In Christ,
>
> Subdeacon Andrew Morgan
> (Sydney, Australia)
>
> A Subdeacon's Manual*A Subdeacon's Manual* is a guide for subdeacons and
> servers at hierarchical services according to the Slavic tradition. Complete
> rubrics for the Divine Liturgies, All-Night Vigil, The Liturgy of
> Presanctified Gifts, When the Primate of the Church Presides, Ordinations,
> and others. With diagrams and illustrations and an illustrated glossary.
>
> Written by Subdeacon Christopher Kirill Sokolov with illustrations by Helena
> Kos.
>
> A draft edition is available for $10.00. For information on availability and
> ordering information, write to csokolov@...
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Smith
> <andrew@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't think I've introduced myself - I'm a subdeacon in Brisbane,
> > Australia, and was made a reader and subdeacon in April this year.
> >
> > I know that this is only somewhat connected with this list, but I'm running
> > out of places to look: I'd like to know if anyone on the list has a
> > comprehensive guide for subdeacons floating around - or knows where I might
> > be able to obtain the Sokolov manual?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Andrew Smith.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I purchased a copy of A Manual of the Church's Divine Services (Sokolof) about 2
weeks ago.  It is $14.

http://www.sjkp.org/search.php?static=2536

 
Mike McBride


Live without pretending, love without depending, listen without defending and
speak without offending.  Anon.



________________________________
From: "ireneolinyk@..." <ireneolinyk@...>
To: orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: [orthodox-readers] Re: Subdeacons manual


 
Isn't the Sokolov book available online in Russian?

--- In orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Morgan <andmorg@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Greetings from down south.
>
> I got a couple of copies of the sokolov book from stspress.com a few years
> back but it is no longer on their site. When looking I found the address for
> the author so you may want to try him directly (pasted below).
>
> The other thing you can do is look for a service book in english from
> svspress or stspress - I found one a few years back designed for priests and
> deacons in the OCA but it had all the rubrics for serving with a bishop
> included which was really helpful for a subdeacon.
>
> There is also a document on Rubrics on Hirerchical Services at
>
http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/hierarchical_services_rubrics.ht\
m
>
> The http://www.holytrinitymission.org/ site has some really good resources
> online for free.
>
> In Christ,
>
> Subdeacon Andrew Morgan
> (Sydney, Australia)
>
> A Subdeacon's Manual*A Subdeacon's Manual* is a guide for subdeacons and
> servers at hierarchical services according to the Slavic tradition. Complete
> rubrics for the Divine Liturgies, All-Night Vigil, The Liturgy of
> Presanctified Gifts, When the Primate of the Church Presides, Ordinations,
> and others. With diagrams and illustrations and an illustrated glossary.
>
> Written by Subdeacon Christopher Kirill Sokolov with illustrations by Helena
> Kos.
>
> A draft edition is available for $10.00. For information on availability and
> ordering information, write to csokolov@...
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Smith
> <andrew@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't think I've introduced myself - I'm a subdeacon in Brisbane,
> > Australia, and was made a reader and subdeacon in April this year.
> >
> > I know that this is only somewhat connected with this list, but I'm running
> > out of places to look: I'd like to know if anyone on the list has a
> > comprehensive guide for subdeacons floating around - or knows where I might
> > be able to obtain the Sokolov manual?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Andrew Smith.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Brothers,

here is a link to a pdf of an late 1800's edition.

http://www.archive.org/details/amanualoftheorth00sokouoft

It is complete, in english and a good quality scan.

In Christ

Fr Paul

--- In orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com, Michael McBride <mike.dmcbride@...>
wrote:
>
> I purchased a copy of A Manual of the Church's Divine Services (Sokolof) about
2 weeks ago.  It is $14.
>
> http://www.sjkp.org/search.php?static=2536
>
>  
> Mike McBride
>
>
> Live without pretending, love without depending, listen without defending and
speak without offending.  Anon.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "ireneolinyk@..." <ireneolinyk@...>
> To: orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 9:06 AM
> Subject: [orthodox-readers] Re: Subdeacons manual
>
>
>  
> Isn't the Sokolov book available online in Russian?
>
> --- In orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Morgan <andmorg@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > Greetings from down south.
> >
> > I got a couple of copies of the sokolov book from stspress.com a few years
> > back but it is no longer on their site. When looking I found the address for
> > the author so you may want to try him directly (pasted below).
> >
> > The other thing you can do is look for a service book in english from
> > svspress or stspress - I found one a few years back designed for priests and
> > deacons in the OCA but it had all the rubrics for serving with a bishop
> > included which was really helpful for a subdeacon.
> >
> > There is also a document on Rubrics on Hirerchical Services at
> >
http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/hierarchical_services_rubrics.ht\
m
> >
> > The http://www.holytrinitymission.org/ site has some really good resources
> > online for free.
> >
> > In Christ,
> >
> > Subdeacon Andrew Morgan
> > (Sydney, Australia)
> >
> > A Subdeacon's Manual*A Subdeacon's Manual* is a guide for subdeacons and
> > servers at hierarchical services according to the Slavic tradition. Complete
> > rubrics for the Divine Liturgies, All-Night Vigil, The Liturgy of
> > Presanctified Gifts, When the Primate of the Church Presides, Ordinations,
> > and others. With diagrams and illustrations and an illustrated glossary.
> >
> > Written by Subdeacon Christopher Kirill Sokolov with illustrations by Helena
> > Kos.
> >
> > A draft edition is available for $10.00. For information on availability and
> > ordering information, write to csokolov@
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Smith
> > <andrew@>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I don't think I've introduced myself - I'm a subdeacon in Brisbane,
> > > Australia, and was made a reader and subdeacon in April this year.
> > >
> > > I know that this is only somewhat connected with this list, but I'm
running
> > > out of places to look: I'd like to know if anyone on the list has a
> > > comprehensive guide for subdeacons floating around - or knows where I
might
> > > be able to obtain the Sokolov manual?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Andrew Smith.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Anybody know if it comes with matching sheet music?  $80 is kind of steep, but I
have never seen anything else that even attempts to do this.

To: orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com
From: Michaelbeshonges@...
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:09:56 -0400
Subject: [orthodox-readers] ToneTutor 101 - An Audio Course in the Eight Tones
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The FAQ page has a similar question -

'Where can I find the notes to the hymns?

While there are several minor differences in style and harmonization, we
recommend the Eight Tones Vigil Music arranged by Dr. Timothy Clader, published
by the Saint John of Kronstadt Press (www.sjkp.com).'

I suppose the price of $80.00 is the only way the workmen will receive their
hire. Compared to what is available (which is almost next to nothing systematic,
i.e. other than an older recording by Jason Reissland), this is superb!

Sell your bed and buy the recording!

It would be nice if our parishes could buy these as a resource for our readers
and choirs.
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Does anyone know if there is a place i could get "Cours de liturgie
grecque-melkite" By Abel Couturier  either the volumes in there original
language or a translation in english?  either online or in print?

The 2012 St. Innocent Liturgical Calendar is back from the printer.
For those who have pre-ordered, you should be getting your copy soon. If
  you want to order a copy, click here:
http://stinnocentpress.com/products/liturgical_calendar.html

We have added some new features in response to feedback from last years
calendar, and we have a new appendix on the celebration of Patronal
Feasts.

Also, we are posting a draft translation of the Typikon sections that this
appendix is based on:

http://www.saintjonah.org/rub/templechapters.pdf

The appendix boils down this information, and presents it in a chart
format that should prove useful, and it also includes detailed notes.
�
Presbyter John Whiteford
St. Jonah Orthodox Church
Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
ROCOR Discussion Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-rocor/
Parish News: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saintjonah/
Blog: http://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/frjohnwhiteford

"This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We go into
battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St. John Chrysostom,
Homily IX on Colossians.

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I would order it through "inter-library Loan" on microfishe.  According to
WorldCat.org there are only 3 libraries listed as having copies:
Location  Library  Code
France LYON-FONDS SLAVE JESUITES ENSLSH FRAQQ
France PARIS-INST CATHOL DE PARIS FRICD
France STRASBOURG-DROIT CANONIQUE FRBLI
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e=normal:holdinglimittype=default:next=html/holdings.html:bad=error/badfetch.htm\
l:format=FH:numrecs=1:resultset=1:recno=1:entitylibrarycount=3:sessionid=fsapp6-\
47521-gwdy1gbw-gukzr1:entitypagenum=2:0

--- In orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com, "mjs5168" <mjs5168@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a place i could get "Cours de liturgie
grecque-melkite" By Abel Couturier  either the volumes in there original
language or a translation in english?  either online or in print?
>

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http://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/2012/01/review-practical-handbook-for-divine.html





I recently finished reading "A Practical Handbook for Divine Services" by Fr.
Gregory Woolfenden. This is a book that is primarily written for the benefit of
priests and deacons, and gets into the details of how the services are actually
done on a level that you usually do not find in service books or books
on the rubrics of the services. The practice it reflects is largely the
same as what is typically found in ROCOR, but there are differences. The author
is a priest of the Moscow Patriarchate, serving in Great
Britain, and is based on material published in Russian which is
published by the Moscow Patriarchate.  Nevertheless, in those areas
where there are differences, it is useful to be aware of other practices that
are out there, and in most cases, the practices are essentially
the same. This book fills a gap in the material that has been available
in English. I hope that one day we will see something like this
published from someone who details the practices found in ROCOR in a
similar fashion, or perhaps a future edition of this book that enhances
the footnotes in that direction (though the footnotes are quite
extensive as it is). I found it very helpful myself, just to review some of the
fine points, and where the book differs from what I have seen,
it has prompted me to ask questions of other clergy to see what is
normally done in their experience.

As Bishop Jerome says, when speaking of various liturgical differences,
there are seven ways to do everything, and there are seven ways to do
each of the seven ways. A book that detailed all of these variation
might be a bit cumbersome, but at least you will find one of the seven
ways laid out in detail in this book. Diversity of liturgical practice
is a healthy thing, but hopefully this book will help fight differences
that are just matters of sloppiness or ignorance.

Laymen who are interested in better understanding the services will also
  benefit from this book. The services function on many different levels,
  and this book will help the laity better understand a dimension of the
services that often happens out of their view. A great deal of the
symbolism of the services are found in the liturgical actions of the
clergy, and all Orthodox Christians should seek to better understand
them.

Presbyter John Whiteford
St. Jonah Orthodox Church
Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
ROCOR Discussion Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-rocor/
Parish News: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saintjonah/
Blog: http://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/frjohnwhiteford
"This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We go into
battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St. John Chrysostom,
Homily IX on Colossians.

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Fr. Gregory was serving in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church at a parish in New
Britain, Conn. when he reposed two years ago.
Reader Stephen Bradford

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:12 PM, "Fr. John Whiteford" <frjohnwhiteford@...>
wrote:

>
http://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/2012/01/review-practical-handbook-for-divine.html
>
>
>
>
>
> I recently finished reading "A Practical Handbook for Divine Services" by Fr.
Gregory Woolfenden. This is a book that is primarily written for the benefit of
priests and deacons, and gets into the details of how the services are actually
> done on a level that you usually do not find in service books or books
> on the rubrics of the services. The practice it reflects is largely the
> same as what is typically found in ROCOR, but there are differences. The
author is a priest of the Moscow Patriarchate, serving in Great
> Britain, and is based on material published in Russian which is
> published by the Moscow Patriarchate.  Nevertheless, in those areas
> where there are differences, it is useful to be aware of other practices that
are out there, and in most cases, the practices are essentially
> the same. This book fills a gap in the material that has been available
> in English. I hope that one day we will see something like this
> published from someone who details the practices found in ROCOR in a
> similar fashion, or perhaps a future edition of this book that enhances
> the footnotes in that direction (though the footnotes are quite
> extensive as it is). I found it very helpful myself, just to review some of
the fine points, and where the book differs from what I have seen,
> it has prompted me to ask questions of other clergy to see what is
> normally done in their experience.
>
> As Bishop Jerome says, when speaking of various liturgical differences,
> there are seven ways to do everything, and there are seven ways to do
> each of the seven ways. A book that detailed all of these variation
> might be a bit cumbersome, but at least you will find one of the seven
> ways laid out in detail in this book. Diversity of liturgical practice
> is a healthy thing, but hopefully this book will help fight differences
> that are just matters of sloppiness or ignorance.
>
> Laymen who are interested in better understanding the services will also
> benefit from this book. The services function on many different levels,
> and this book will help the laity better understand a dimension of the
> services that often happens out of their view. A great deal of the
> symbolism of the services are found in the liturgical actions of the
> clergy, and all Orthodox Christians should seek to better understand
> them.
>
> Presbyter John Whiteford
> St. Jonah Orthodox Church
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> "This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We go into
battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St. John Chrysostom,
Homily IX on Colossians.
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I've received the CDs and I find them fantastic - They are really useful to have
and wonderful instructional matetials I wished I had years ago.

I have two related question that I hope the priests and others who know more
would be able to help me with.

1)What is the relationship between these chants and that comonly called Obikhod/
St Petersburg Court chant?

2)rom what I understand, the words for the texts used are  to be found in the
SJOKP published materials. Are there any other tetxts published by Jordanville ?

This is an interesting series of pages that explain how liturgical cycles work
with the service books:

http://htmp.org/how-church-books-work-home.html

Presbyter John Whiteford
St. Jonah Orthodox Church
Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
ROCOR Discussion Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-rocor/
Parish News: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saintjonah/
Blog: http://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/frjohnwhiteford

"This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We go into
battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St. John Chrysostom,
Homily IX on Colossians.�

Thank you, Fr. John!


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 08:16 PM, Fr. John Whiteford wrote:


This is an interesting series of pages that explain how
liturgical cycles work with the service books:
[1]http://htmp.org/how-church-books-work-home.html
Presbyter John Whiteford
St. Jonah Orthodox Church

References

1. http://htmp.org/how-church-books-work-home.html

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Hello all,

The celebrant blesses the reader of the epistle who enters the altar
during Holy God (or As Many as Have Been Baptized) at the typical
Liturgy and also at the Vesperal Liturgies of St. Basil (Holy
Thursday, Holy Saturday, Nativity Eve, Theophany Eve) and of St. John
Chrysostom (Annunciation). My question concerns the epistle during
Presanctified Liturgies falling on a feast of rank. There is no Holy
God so there seems to be no time to enter the altar for a blessing
from the celebrant. Does the reader simply walk to center of the nave
and begin after Let my Prayer Arise and the prayer of St. Ephriam? Or
perhaps he has been standing there the entire time since the OT
readings? Either way, he proceeds without entering the altar for a
blessing? Does the same hold true for Holy Friday Vespers when an
Epistle directly follows OT readings? Would a good rule of thumb be
"Holy God means enter altar to recieve bless; No Holy God means do
not"?

Grace and peace, Reader Ryan Paul W.

Since this is Vespers, would the Reader receive the blessing prior to the
service?  Otherwise who reads Ps 103, the kathisma, and all the rest that is
assigned to the Reader?  And why would the Reader recieve a blessing for the
Apostle, but not for the Prophecies?  There are OT readings frequently
throughout the year...
 
In Christ,
Adam


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  From: R W <ryandecem@...>
To: orthodox-readers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:18 AM
Subject: [orthodox-readers] On what occasions does the celebrant bless the
reader of the epistle?



 

Hello all,

The celebrant blesses the reader of the epistle who enters the altar
during Holy God (or As Many as Have Been Baptized) at the typical
Liturgy and also at the Vesperal Liturgies of St. Basil (Holy
Thursday, Holy Saturday, Nativity Eve, Theophany Eve) and of St. John
Chrysostom (Annunciation). My question concerns the epistle during
Presanctified Liturgies falling on a feast of rank. There is no Holy
God so there seems to be no time to enter the altar for a blessing
from the celebrant. Does the reader simply walk to center of the nave
and begin after Let my Prayer Arise and the prayer of St. Ephriam? Or
perhaps he has been standing there the entire time since the OT
readings? Either way, he proceeds without entering the altar for a
blessing? Does the same hold true for Holy Friday Vespers when an
Epistle directly follows OT readings? Would a good rule of thumb be
"Holy God means enter altar to recieve bless; No Holy God means do
not"?

Grace and peace, Reader Ryan Paul W.



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