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Re: Basic welding questions (welding time estimate)

Thanks Aaron. If Brent real project's experience is that welding hours for 36
footer are about 100 hours, then 140-150 hours for 38-39 footer looks reasonable
(still probably need to double it for first time builder).

Travel speed for SMAW (stick welding) using mix of E6011, E7024, E7018 will be
similar (may be even faster compare to GMAW-S in previous example. Let assume it
is the same).

So, we have estimate for 38-39 footer:

Hull 3/16" = 46.3 Hr
Deck, Cabin, PilotHouse, FootWell 1/8" = 39.4 Hr
Tween Keels (both) 1/4", ½" = 30.9 Hr
Tank top 3/16" = 7.7 Hr
Skeg, Rudder 1/8" = 13.1 Hr

Which gives us about ~ 140-150 welding hours.

P.S. Correction for formula: RealisticTime = Time_in_Hr / 0.1
P.S.S Next step to find the cost of consumables (for SMAW and FCAW-SS).

--- In origamiboats@yahoogroups.com, Aaron <akenai@...> wrote:
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> Brent has bid the average time for weld out at 100 hrs
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> Aaron 





Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:29 pm

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Brent has bid the average time for weld out at 100 hrs Aaron  From: wild_explorer <williswildest@...> To: origamiboats@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,...
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Thanks Aaron. If Brent real project's experience is that welding hours for 36 footer are about 100 hours, then 140-150 hours for 38-39 footer looks reasonable...
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Prequalified "Matching" Filler Metal for: Shapes and Plates A36 A529, grade 42 A709, grade 36 Round and Rectangular Sections A53, grade B (round) A500, grades...
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I think it would be better to start from Stick Welder (or multi-process unit which have this option). I would like to have unit capable to run on 115/230...
wild_explorer Offline Send Email Feb 16, 2012
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Any help folks? I know that people in countries with 220VAC are more fortunate - no need to worry for running welder on 110VAC ;) After doing some research on...
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I simply would not use a 120 vac welder for building a boat. Forget bad welds, which are a problem, a lot of people never finish, why add slow welding to the...
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Thank you folks (Gary, Darren, James) for releasing my brain from focusing on 110VAC ;). It looks like double voltage 110/230VAC welder just falls into "nice...
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Wild, The 220V isn't really a problem most places in North America. Almost all houses are serviced by 220V, using just one of the hot wires and a neutral to...
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Feb 19, 2012
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The electric hot water heater is another good one. I do a bit of restaurant repair work with my tig welder.  For small jobs I have a range of hook-ups from...
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Darren, I tried to find an information about the differences for power 220VAC/50HZ (European)and 230VAC/60Hz (USA). It looks like it is unsafe (dangerous?) to...
wild_explorer Offline Send Email Feb 20, 2012
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Wild, You should check the welder you are interested in. My Thermal Arc is rated for 208-230V and 50/60Hz. I also checked some of the cheap chinese welders...
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I recently bought a cheap Chinese inverter welder and run it on single phase 230 volt (I am in NZ). It welds much, much nicer than the cheap chinese...
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Inverters have Power Factor correction modules, which allow to use 90-95% of input power from power source. Transformer welders use only 50-60% of input power....
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Correction: Percentage is given for usable transfer of input power to output power....
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I am gaining so much from the welding course Wild is taking.... (smile) Matt To: origamiboats@yahoogroups.com From: williswildest@... Date: Wed, 22 Feb...
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True, he deserves our thanks. Norm Moore "I'll believe corporations are people, when Texas executes one of them." ________________________________ From: Matt...
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You are welcome! I glad you like this practical discussion. It would not be possible without others members of the group willing to share their knowledge and...
wild_explorer Offline Send Email Feb 23, 2012
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Inverter welders don’t have problems with 50 Hz vs. 60 Hz. The first step in an inverter is turning the AC into DC using Rectifiers, then back into AC at...
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I hope this isn't too geeky a question, but why all the conversions of AD->DC->AC->DC? John...
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John Not a bad question at all. I was wondering the same thing. I think it is the convesion from DC to AC where the change in the Hz is made. I could be wrong...
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The first AC is at 50/60 Hz, the second AC is at 20K Hz. When you boost the frequency on an inverter, the coil / inductor you are using can be a smaller...
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To weld you need high current at low voltage. With AC you do that with a transformer. At 50 to 60 Hz the transformer needs to be very large, with many turns...
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Thank you Gary, Matt and Wild. I now have a better understanding of the overall picture of how inverter welders work. Could you give me a little more detail...
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Power factor can be thought of as the amount of overlap between the voltage and current waves. If the peak current is drawn at the same time as the peak...
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Matt Excellent "distillation" of a complex interaction between capacitors and inductors and the resulting "instantaneous" power. I welded my entire BS40 with a...
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Feb 24, 2012
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Below is respond from Lincoln Electric for welding 1/8"-1/2" plate with SMAW (E6011, E7018, E7014 electrodes) and FCAW-S. Quote: "For welding Innershield wires...
wild_explorer Offline Send Email Feb 24, 2012
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Wild, you are slowly coming around to what Brent says in his book :). If I was building again, I would buy an inverter welder capable of minimum 200 amps or...
Paul Wilson
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... I had to try it by myself to come to the same conclusion ;)) ... I use some caution looking at some "No-name" inverter welders. It is not a problem to make...
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... I am not 100% sure on what you are saying here but it sounds like further arguments against using MIG for a boat. I did not know you are not allowed to...
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... First time I've heard of that. I tack welded my boat with stick and sewed it up with Mig. Have had the boat for 23 years now and never had a weld failure. ...
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