I'm glad you are passionate about this. I'm also glad you stated your
feelings to the ARRL directors. I'm sure many of us have also sent
letters, phone calls to Newington, or in emails stating their
disagreement with this proposed move. What I'm not sure is why we
should be airing out our personal feelings on the message boards. I'm
sure most of us feel the same way about this upcoming move by  the
ARRL, but we are keeping our correspondence private. I guess what I'm
saying is, I belong to 070 to discuss psk activity with other psk
members. I want to read about Mona and her Cat, Golf endorsements, or
how someone found that rare grid on psk.

If I'm out of line here, I apologize, I will go away quietly.

73--Scott
WY3X

--- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Giella KN4LF"
<flcyclone@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> I was hoping that you would pay me the courtesy of responding back
about my
> concern over the plan for W1AW to QSY from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500
kc, right
> on top of the weak digital signal PSK31/63, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK, RTTY
> calling frequency.
>
> If RM-11306 band segregation by bandwidth becomes a Part 97
regulation, the
> ARRL has proposed that the mayhem be controlled by voluntary band
plan. How
> do you expect ham's to take ARRL band plans seriously when the ARRL
violates
> them.
>
> Do as I say not as I do hypocricy?
>
> --... ...--,
> Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> Grid Square EL97AW
> kn4lf@...
>
> KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
> KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Giella KN4LF
> To: ARRL Joe Carcia NJ1Q
> Cc: k1zz@...
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:20 PM
> Subject: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
>
>
> Joe,
>
> As an ARRL member in good standing I'm advising you that it is a
very bad
> idea to QSY W1AW operations from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc
beginning on
> April 3rd, 2006. 1807.500 kc +/- 3 kc is a main and very active
frequency
> slice for weak signal PSK31, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK and RTTY digital
> operations. W1AW operation there would wipe out this main meeting
frequency
> and more.
>
> On 160 meters the ARRL band plan calls for digital modes between
1800-1810
> kc and CW between 1800-2000 kc, so it makes no sense to begin
operation on
> 1807.500 kc. If you do the math it's 10 kc for digital modes and 200
kc for
> CW.
>
> I'm an avid CW operator too and I'm aware of the pressure the 160
meter CW
> DX community has been putting on your 1817.500 kc operations. But the
> solution to that issue is not to QSY down to 1807.500 kc. Please
reconsider
> your frequency choice.
>
> --... ...--,
> Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> Grid Square EL97AW
> kn4lf@...
>
> KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
> KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm
>
>    Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 -0000
>    From: "Michael E Dobson" <wa3kyy@...>
> Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK Frequency
>
> Check this out folks.  We all need to email ARRL in protest.  From the
> ARRL Web site:
>
> W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3,
> Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency
> for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The
> last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says
> W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating
> patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our
> current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce
> the possibility of interference."
>
>
>
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Daniel,
Thank you for the great QSO on 80 meters. Your question was am I the
only station using Olivia on 80 meters. I wonder where they all are
also. Gentlemen I ask you to take off your squelch,take off the AFC,
manual tune at the frequency listed and listen for the weak signal as
it may not show a good trace on the waterfall.Once you have aquired
the print, lock your transmit. You will be rewarded with a DX QSO
with Daniel. He has put a lot of effort into this schedule. Please
reward his efforts with your participation.I hope you have many QSO's
this week Daniel. I appreciate your efforts.

73 Daniel de Fred N9GUE

--- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "hb9tpl" <hb9tpl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I will be calling in Olivia 500/16 (and other modes) every morning
from
> Feb 26 to March 4, looking for DX :
>
> from 0400 to 0430 UTC 1838.5 kHz
> from 0430 to 0530 UTC 3584.5 kHz
> from 0530 to 0630 UTC 1838.5 kHz
>
> Fred OH/DK4ZC will be there too.
>
> Hope to read you
>
> Best 73's de Daniel HB9TPL
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Fred Darrah

To: oliviadata@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:50 AM

Subject: [olivia] Re: 160 m / 80 m band olivia qso

Daniel,
Thank you for the great QSO on 80 meters. Your question was am I the
only station using Olivia on 80 meters. I wonder where they all are
also. Gentlemen I ask you to take off your squelch,take off the AFC,
manual tune at the frequency listed and listen for the weak signal as
it may not show a good trace on the waterfall.Once you have aquired
the print, lock your transmit. You will be rewarded with a DX QSO
with Daniel. He has put a lot of effort into this schedule. Please
reward his efforts with your participation.I hope you have many QSO's
this week Daniel. I appreciate your efforts.

73 Daniel de Fred N9GUE

--- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "hb9tpl" <hb9tpl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I will be calling in Olivia 500/16 (and other modes) every morning
from
> Feb 26 to March 4, looking for DX :
>
> from 0400 to 0430 UTC 1838.5 kHz
> from 0430 to 0530 UTC 3584.5 kHz
> from 0530 to 0630 UTC 1838.5 kHz
>
> Fred OH/DK4ZC will be there too.
>
> Hope to read you
>
> Best 73's de Daniel HB9TPL
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: scottpa1960

To: oliviadata@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:40 AM

Subject: [olivia] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

I'm glad you are passionate about this. I'm also glad you stated your
feelings to the ARRL directors. I'm sure many of us have also sent
letters, phone calls to Newington, or in emails stating their
disagreement with this proposed move. What I'm not sure is why we
should be airing out our personal feelings on the message boards. I'm
sure most of us feel the same way about this upcoming move by  the
ARRL, but we are keeping our correspondence private. I guess what I'm
saying is, I belong to 070 to discuss psk activity with other psk
members. I want to read about Mona and her Cat, Golf endorsements, or
how someone found that rare grid on psk.

If I'm out of line here, I apologize, I will go away quietly.

73--Scott
WY3X

--- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Giella KN4LF"
<flcyclone@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> I was hoping that you would pay me the courtesy of responding back
about my
> concern over the plan for W1AW to QSY from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500
kc, right
> on top of the weak digital signal PSK31/63, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK, RTTY
> calling frequency.
>
> If RM-11306 band segregation by bandwidth becomes a Part 97
regulation, the
> ARRL has proposed that the mayhem be controlled by voluntary band
plan. How
> do you expect ham's to take ARRL band plans seriously when the ARRL
violates
> them.
>
> Do as I say not as I do hypocricy?
>
> --... ...--,
> Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> Grid Square EL97AW
> kn4lf@...
>
> KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
> KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Giella KN4LF
> To: ARRL Joe Carcia NJ1Q
> Cc: k1zz@...
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:20 PM
> Subject: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
>
>
> Joe,
>
> As an ARRL member in good standing I'm advising you that it is a
very bad
> idea to QSY W1AW operations from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc
beginning on
> April 3rd, 2006. 1807.500 kc +/- 3 kc is a main and very active
frequency
> slice for weak signal PSK31, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK and RTTY digital
> operations. W1AW operation there would wipe out this main meeting
frequency
> and more.
>
> On 160 meters the ARRL band plan calls for digital modes between
1800-1810
> kc and CW between 1800-2000 kc, so it makes no sense to begin
operation on
> 1807.500 kc. If you do the math it's 10 kc for digital modes and 200
kc for
> CW.
>
> I'm an avid CW operator too and I'm aware of the pressure the 160
meter CW
> DX community has been putting on your 1817.500 kc operations. But the
> solution to that issue is not to QSY down to 1807.500 kc. Please
reconsider
> your frequency choice.
>
> --... ...--,
> Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> Grid Square EL97AW
> kn4lf@...
>
> KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
> KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm
>
>    Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 -0000
>    From: "Michael E Dobson" <wa3kyy@...>
> Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK Frequency
>
> Check this out folks.  We all need to email ARRL in protest.  From the
> ARRL Web site:
>
> W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3,
> Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency
> for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The
> last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says
> W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating
> patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our
> current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce
> the possibility of interference."
>
>
>
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Here is what the ARRL had to say about the frequency change issue...

73 Al, W8AII/ AAR5TH
Ohio Army MARS

W1AW 160-meter frequency change put on hold (Mar 1, 2006) -- QRX on
that W1AW QSY! Maxim Memorial Station W1AW has rescinded recently
announced plans to change its 160-meter CW frequency starting Monday,
April 3 and will remain on 1817.5 kHz for the time being. The
announced change to 1807.5 kHz was aimed at reducing the possibility
of interfering with DX stations that have begun showing up in the
vicinity of 1817.5 kHz. "Lately we have received more complaints
about W1AW interfering with weak DX signals," said ARRL CEO and W1AW
Trustee David Sumner, K1ZZ. "Some of these complaints were about key
clicks, which set us on a quest to put the cleanest transmitter we
could find on 160." With the key click problem on the way to
resolution, it was decided nonetheless to move W1AW's 160-meter
frequency lower in the band. "After what we thought was due diligence
we decided that it made sense to shift below 1810 kHz," Sumner
recounted, "since that is the lower band edge in Region 1 and would
pretty much eliminate the conflict with DXers." Monitoring showed
that 1807.5 appeared to be generally clear. "Unfortunately," Sumner
continued, "we failed to pick up the fact that PSK31 operators appear
to have adopted 1807 kHz as their 160-meter frequency, and we don't
want to conflict with any established activity centers." Under a
tight deadline to announce the W1AW operating schedule 30 days in
advance, the League has rescinded the frequency shift for now. Sumner
said the question will be revisited over the summer to try to gain
consensus on a frequency to shift to after Daylight Saving Time ends
October 29.

Dear Bonnie,

I strongly support your idea for 500 Hz Olivia.  You might want to
define what you mean by dial freq. The term "center freq" better
defines the spectrum used.  Also, I would say that we could start at
14074.0 MHz  and work up from there. See you all there.

Yours truly,  Eric - K9NP









-- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio"
<expeditionradio@...> wrote:
>
> I propose that we, as a group of Olivia operators, establish a
> center-of-activity window for 500Hz Olivia operation,
> between a USB dial frequency of 14076 and 14086kHz.
>
> To start, we could try 14076 to 14080.
> This is supported by national/international/IARU regional
bandplans.
>
> The IARU Region 1 bandplan shows 500Hz bandwidth, non-automatic,
> at 14070kHz to 14089kHz. This is the proper place for 500Hz
Olivia.
>
> In both USA and IARU Region 1 bandplans:
> 14101kHz to 14112kHz area is the only 20m segment available for
> unattended or automatic data stations 2700Hz to operate.
> We should avoid 14101kHz to 14112kHz whenever possible for
keyboarding.
>
> In all cases, we should avoid Olivia use above 14108.5kHz.
> Growing QRM from popular Olivia forced the International ALE
> Network to move up from where it was for 5 years (14107.5kHz) to
> 14109.5kHz in year 2005. It is now sharing 14109.5 with MT63,
> Packet, and Pactor operations. 14109.5kHz is the highest frequency
> the ALE Network and the wideband automatic data stations can go.
>
> To view a collection of IARU region bandplans and various national
> bandplans, click here:
> http://www.hflink.com/bandplans/
>
> 73---Bonnie KQ6XA
>

> Dear Bonnie,
>
> I strongly support your idea for 500 Hz Olivia.  You might want to
> define what you mean by dial freq. The term "center freq" better
> defines the spectrum used.  Also, I would say that we could start at
> 14074.0 MHz  and work up from there. See you all there.
>
> Yours truly,  Eric - K9NP

Hi Eric,

Yes, "center frequency" is useful, but unfortunately, it is
widely mis-interpreted by hams, especially with new types of digital
emissions (notice the PSK31 freqs). Dial frequency is much easier
for most operators to use, with fewer errors.

The common Olivia practice has been to use "dial frequency Upper
SideBand", and (default) transmit the lowest tone slightly above
500Hz. For an Olivia 500 signal, this puts the center at 750Hz. For an
Olivia 1000 signal, this puts the center at 1000Hz. This configuration
is compatible with common transceiver passbands.

Because Olivia can decode through noisy propagation conditions when
humans cannot tune it visually or by ear, there is a great advantage
to agreements for fixed dial frequencies (channels).

I am a careful operator, able to hear signals deep in the
noise, but I have often been surprised to see QSOs print on an Olivia
"channel" (or replies to my CQ) when I honestly did not notice there
was a station transmitting!

Olivia 20 metre frequencies (channels):

Olivia 500: (USB dial frequencies)
14075.5/*14076.0/14076.5/14077.0/14077.5/14078.0

Olivia 1000: (USB dial frequencies)
14105.5/14106.5/*14107.5/14108.5
*calling


73---Bonnie KQ6XA

When I get on 20 meters with my big beam at 14.110 I find there is
slow Olivia running where once MT63 which is fast and fun to use is
gone. Have you all decided to go slow? I can outtype MT63 and on Olivia
I write and then go out of the room and play with a dog while it is
being sent.

     I called CQ on MT63 for 20 minutes at 14.111 and no-one answered.

--
Karl Larsen, aka K5DI
Linux user since 1994
70 years old and still having fun
Web: http://www.zianet.com/k5di

14MHz Olivia Frequency List

Olivia 500:
Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
14075.5 USB / 750Hz
14076.0 USB / 750Hz *
14076.5 USB / 750Hz
14077.0 USB / 750Hz
14077.5 USB / 750Hz
14078.0 USB / 750Hz

Olivia 1000:
Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
14105.5 USB / 1000Hz
14106.5 USB / 1000Hz
14107.5 USB / 1000Hz *
14108.5 USB / 1000Hz

*calling


(Bandplan note: 14101-14112 shared with automatic stations)



--Bonnie KQ6XA

    When I get on 20 meters with my big beam at 14.110 I find there is
slow Olivia running where once MT63 which is fast and fun to use is
gone. Have you all decided to go slow? I can outtype MT63 and on Olivia
I write and then go out of the room and play with a dog while it is
being sent.

    I called CQ on MT63 for 20 minutes at 14.111 and no-one answered.

--
Karl Larsen, aka K5DI
Linux user since 1994 
70 years old and still having fun
Web: http://www.zianet.com/k5di

Jan T Pharo wrote:

> As the world also exists outside the USA: What is that amendment; what
> was there before, and how was it amended?

First amendment doesn't apply here anyway.  The first amendment provides
(among other things) that our Congress can't make laws that limit free
speech and a free press.

Last I checked, internet discussion groups are regulated by a variety
of things (including "list ownership", "moderators", etc.), few (if
any) of which are the result of laws Congress has passed.

A brief U.S. Government lesson for those in other countries - the
first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution are collectively called
'The Bill of Rights".  The first deals with freedom of speech, the
press, and religion; the second with the right to keep and bear arms,
and so on.

Unfortunately, many people in the U.S. don't understand what it's
all about (limiting the powers of government), and somehow assume
that they also put limits on the powers of (other) people.

For additional info, a Google search of "U.S. Constitution" and
"Bill of Rights" will certainly turn up more information than you
ever wanted to know about it, and *some* of it might actually be
correct.

And some of it will be total nonsense.

73,

- ps

I do not see this band plan on the ARRL bandplan list.  Who authorized
these frequemcies for Olivia in the band plan?  Is this an attempt by
KQ6XA to establish this "new" bandplan, without the ARRL bandplan
approval?

Jerry -  K0HZI

  -- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio"
<expeditionradio@...> wrote:
>
> 14MHz Olivia Frequency List
>
> Olivia 500:
> Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
> 14075.5 USB / 750Hz
> 14076.0 USB / 750Hz *
> 14076.5 USB / 750Hz
> 14077.0 USB / 750Hz
> 14077.5 USB / 750Hz
> 14078.0 USB / 750Hz
>
> Olivia 1000:
> Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
> 14105.5 USB / 1000Hz
> 14106.5 USB / 1000Hz
> 14107.5 USB / 1000Hz *
> 14108.5 USB / 1000Hz
>
> *calling
>
> KQ6XA
> (Bandplan note: 14101-14112 shared with automatic stations)
>
>
>
> --Bonnie KQ6XA
>

It looks like a suggested frequency list to me.  How did folks like the PSK
bunch end up
clustered near .070 rather on a bunch of random freqs?

Tom NU4G

I'm not entering the fight, I just wonder how they decided on common ground
without
tearing each other to shreads.  Unless they *did* do such a thing.


------------------

--- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry W" <k0hzi.mn@...> wrote:
>
> I do not see this band plan on the ARRL bandplan list.  Who authorized
> these frequemcies for Olivia in the band plan?  Is this an attempt by
> KQ6XA to establish this "new" bandplan, without the ARRL bandplan
> approval?
>
> Jerry -  K0HZI

I guess I am missing something... Is this 6 station telling us where we can
operation Olivia ?   In the meantime I have just given it up for other
modes.

Rod WC7N

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry W" <k0hzi.mn@...>
To: <oliviadata@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: [olivia] Re: Olivia 500 - 1000 Center Frequency Chart - 14MHz


>I do not see this band plan on the ARRL bandplan list.  Who authorized
> these frequemcies for Olivia in the band plan?  Is this an attempt by
> KQ6XA to establish this "new" bandplan, without the ARRL bandplan
> approval?
>
> Jerry -  K0HZI
>
> -- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio"
> <expeditionradio@...> wrote:
>>
>> 14MHz Olivia Frequency List
>>
>> Olivia 500:
>> Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
>> 14075.5 USB / 750Hz
>> 14076.0 USB / 750Hz *
>> 14076.5 USB / 750Hz
>> 14077.0 USB / 750Hz
>> 14077.5 USB / 750Hz
>> 14078.0 USB / 750Hz
>>
>> Olivia 1000:
>> Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
>> 14105.5 USB / 1000Hz
>> 14106.5 USB / 1000Hz
>> 14107.5 USB / 1000Hz *
>> 14108.5 USB / 1000Hz
>>
>> *calling
>>
>> KQ6XA
>> (Bandplan note: 14101-14112 shared with automatic stations)
>>
>>
>>
>> --Bonnie KQ6XA
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

I agree that it is just a suggested frequency.  Lets face it, unless there
is a "meeting place" of some sort, nobody will know where to call CQ or to
look for other stations.  That is why the "calling frequency" for Pactor
years ago was 14.075.    Clover was, and still is, 14.065.50.   Don't get so
riled up, nobody on here can tell anyone else where to op, but a common
starting point is not a bad thing.

73 Buddy WB4M
----- Original Message -----
From: "r390b" <r390a@...>
To: <oliviadata@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: [olivia] Re: Olivia 500 - 1000 Center Frequency Chart - 14MHz


> It looks like a suggested frequency list to me.  How did folks like the
> PSK bunch end up
> clustered near .070 rather on a bunch of random freqs?
>
> Tom NU4G
>
> I'm not entering the fight, I just wonder how they decided on common
> ground without
> tearing each other to shreads.  Unless they *did* do such a thing.
>
>
> ------------------
>
> --- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry W" <k0hzi.mn@...> wrote:
>>
>> I do not see this band plan on the ARRL bandplan list.  Who authorized
>> these frequemcies for Olivia in the band plan?  Is this an attempt by
>> KQ6XA to establish this "new" bandplan, without the ARRL bandplan
>> approval?
>>
>> Jerry -  K0HZI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Paul L Schmidt <k9ps@...>, Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:31:20 -0500:

HI, Paul;

<read, but snipped>
>For additional info, a Google search of "U.S. Constitution" and
>"Bill of Rights" will certainly turn up more information than you
>ever wanted to know about it, and *some* of it might actually be
>correct.

Thanks! So it is referring to amendments of the U.S. Constitution.
Trouble was, for us living in other parts of the world than the USA,
that was not obvious.

--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway

New website: "Olivia Frequencies and Formats"
Click here:
http://hflink.com/olivia/

The frequency list on the website is a combination of observed,
suggested, and common-usage Olivia frequencies on the various amateur
radio bands. All the listings conform to IARU bandplans.

Olivia can be decoded in noise conditions when the human operator
cannot easily determine the presence of the signal. Having an agreed
upon frequency and format can enable communications. Of course, the
use of these frequencies is entirely voluntary.

It has a chart of the different Olivia formats, and suggestions for
which formats to use for CQ or intitiating QSOs.

There is a link on the page to the Oliviadata group website.
There are also links to Olivia software.

The website page is just getting started, and will be updated as more
information and time is available. Comments, feedback, and informative
suggestions are welcome, to help make the site better.
http://hflink.com/olivia/

73---Bonnie KQ6XA





.

I went to the web site and saw the suggested stuff and then went to
the main hflink and saw their suggested frequencies which cause a loud
ALE sound several times a day on the frequency used by MT63. They never
asked on the MT63 yahoo list if this would be ok. They just did it. This
is typical.

expeditionradio wrote:

>New website: "Olivia Frequencies and Formats"
>Click here:
>http://hflink.com/olivia/
>
>The frequency list on the website is a combination of observed,
>suggested, and common-usage Olivia frequencies on the various amateur
>radio bands. All the listings conform to IARU bandplans.
>
>Olivia can be decoded in noise conditions when the human operator
>cannot easily determine the presence of the signal. Having an agreed
>upon frequency and format can enable communications. Of course, the
>use of these frequencies is entirely voluntary.
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>information and time is available. Comments, feedback, and informative
>suggestions are welcome, to help make the site better.
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Jerry,

Take your blinders off and look at the HOME page for Oliviadata. It's the
exact same list! Why are you attacking Bonnie when the information has been
in front of you all this time? Or were you not paying attention?

Just in case you missed it, it says -

"Olivia may be found on any band, Below is one list of suggested frequencies
for 20 meters. Any other suggestions may be posted to the group.

Here is a list of suggested 20 meter modes and frequencies --

Olivia 500: (USB dial frequencies)
14075.5/*14076.0/14076.5/14077.0/14077.5/14078.0

Olivia 1000: (USB dial frequencies)
14105.5/14106.5/*14107.5/14108.5
*calling"

Please tell me why you and Thomas think it necessary to abuse Bonnie over
this matter?

Brad VK2QQ



-----Original Message-----
From: oliviadata@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oliviadata@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry W
Sent: Friday, 17 March 2006 11:43 AM
To: oliviadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [olivia] Re: Olivia 500 - 1000 Center Frequency Chart - 14MHz

I do not see this band plan on the ARRL bandplan list.  Who authorized
these frequemcies for Olivia in the band plan?  Is this an attempt by
KQ6XA to establish this "new" bandplan, without the ARRL bandplan
approval?

Jerry -  K0HZI

  -- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio"
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> Olivia 500:
> Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
> 14075.5 USB / 750Hz
> 14076.0 USB / 750Hz *
> 14076.5 USB / 750Hz
> 14077.0 USB / 750Hz
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> Dial freq.  / Audio (waterfall center marker)
> 14105.5 USB / 1000Hz
> 14106.5 USB / 1000Hz
> 14107.5 USB / 1000Hz *
> 14108.5 USB / 1000Hz
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I don't think the ARRL gets so specific by stating which digital modes
should operate where.  I think it is up to us to stay within the
sub-bands allocated for data modes .  For example, I do NOT have to
use 14.070 for PSK...I could use PSK , or Olivia anywhere within the
spectrum allocated for digital modes


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The whole thing is being done wrong according to me. There should be
just ONE calling frequency and I like the old 14.109 frequency for that.
If your looking for a contact and using MixW or gMFSK software you will
put your radio frequency at 14.10850. If that frequency is busy move
down a 1000 Hz and call CQ.

     As for the ARRL proposal to the FCC it is not law yet and it is
getting a lot of bad comments from Hams. It might not make it.


Andrew O'Brien wrote:

>I don't think the ARRL gets so specific by stating which digital modes
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"Karl F. Larsen" <k5di@...>, Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:06:03 -0700:

>    As for the ARRL proposal to the FCC it is not law yet and it is
>getting a lot of bad comments from Hams. It might not make it.

And, mind you, neither ARRL proposals, ARRL recommandations, or US law,
apply for radio amateur activity in other parts of the world.

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they do odd things too :-)

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The reason Olivia 1000 is found above 14101kHz is because Olivia 1000
  exceeds the 500Hz bandwidth limit for operation below 14099kHz in the
IARU Region 1 Bandplan.

However, Olivia 500 can be used below 14099. It can benefit Olivia
operators to use Olivia 500 in the 14076kHz to 14079kHz range because
it is not shared with the wideband data and automatic stations found
in 14101kHz to 14112kHz.

The IARU Region 1 HF Bandplan:
14070-14086kHz =500Hz NB Digi
14086-14099kHz= 500Hz NB Digi (automatically controlled stations)
14101-14112kHz= 2700Hz digi (automatically controlled stations)
14112-14125kHz= 2700Hz all modes

Operators in Region 2 or Region 3 will find that the bandplans are
similar in this part of the 14MHz band.

The trend for bandplans worldwide for digital data signals is to have
narrow bandwidth signals toward the lower part of the bands, and
wider bandwidth at the upper part of the bands.

Bonnie KQ6XA

--- In oliviadata@yahoogroups.com, "Karl F. Larsen" <k5di@...> wrote:
> I went to the web site and saw the suggested stuff and then
> went to the ...
> used by MT63.

Hi Karl,

That web page is only about Olivia (and similar MFSK), it is still
under development. http://hflink.com/olivia/

In the future, there will be more pages with other digital formats...
including your favorite mode, MT63!

73---Bonnie KQ6XA

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>under development. http://hflink.com/olivia/
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>including your favorite mode, MT63!
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     I got World Radio and a featured writing was about Army MARS setting
up a Winlink2000 Network They claim it worked well during Katrina. Using
Airmail2000 a user can send an recieve email using the Internet. I used
this about 5 years ago from my trailer in the mountains and it worked
fine. The problem with this system is the expensive TNC.

Karl

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Hi Karl

I assume the expensive TNC was for using Pactor III?

I was under the impression that Winlink and friends was a network layer
that sat above any kind of transport protocol/modulation method..

If not would you please enlighten me?

Cheers Bob W5/VK2YQA

Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>     I got World Radio and a featured writing was about Army MARS setting
> up a Winlink2000 Network They claim it worked well during Katrina. Using
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could never get it to work again. This was plain Pactor. Today with the
poor band conditions they almost insist you use Pactor 111 which last
time I looked it sold for $1200.00 in the USA. I have found for Linux
software using the sound card DSP engine that makes the original Pactor.
But alas the Airmail software that is so nice is only a Windows program.


>I was under the impression that Winlink and friends was a network layer
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