I saw this on the tv this morning.  There is something going on, class
action suit? group getting together to fight the makers?

It was talking about the side effects and dangers of these drugs.  I'm
not sure of the whole content though as I missed some of it.

If you OR your children have ever taken:

Zyprexa or Serquel

You NEED to call this number:  1-800-bad drug

Whomever calls, if you could update the group on what it's all about it
would be appreciated.

Dar

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Hi, Karen, just wanted to say that I live in Canada so
I would say this group is world wide.

--- stu21369 <kwebb8@...> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My name is Karen, I live in Melbourne, Australia.
> Not sure where
> this group is based, but would be interested to know
> if this is a
> worldwide problem!!  I have a 6 year old son who was
> diagnosed with
> ODD 2 years ago now and has been under psychiatric
> care since the
> age of 2.  Needless to say, the past 4 years have
> been very trying.
> Mr C. is about to embark on his 2nd year of school
> tomorrow, and I
> am terrified!  I had never seen the inside of a
> school principals'
> office until last year when both myself and Mr C.
> were regular
> visitors.  I've read all the books, done all the
> parenting classes
> and tried all of the natural remedies all with
> limited success. I
> have not tried any synthetic medications and am
> hoping that it won't
> come to that.  I guess at this stage I am just
> looking for someone
> to say "I know how you feel".  I have found support
> very limited in
> my area and don't know any other children or parents
> with the same
> problem.  Mr C's school had not even heard of ODD
> until he started.
> Trust me, they know all about it now!!
> Any tips or suggestions on dealing with other
> parents who have
> singled us out.  My son has never been invited to a
> birthday party
> nor has he been invited to any other child's house
> to play.
> Invitations to our house are usually declined.
> Naturally as a
> mother this is heartbreaking.  I have an 11 year old
> daughter who is
> the perfect student and popular with her peers.
> Why??
>
> Karen
>
>
>
>


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Just some thoughts. Perhaps of a little use to some, not all.

**My 9 year old daughter has ODD/ADHD.

25% with ADHD have some mood issue or anxiety also.

**The doctor told us ODD was situational

You do not think this rings true and your comments make sense that it is primary
or secondary ADHD "when she was a baby she was hyper and defiant." Though we
like to see some at 4 y/o to be more sure.

**she is adopted could also play a role.

We find that adoption can play a medical role and perhaps not the psychological
issue he is mentioning. It can be both. But we have found very rare stool
cultures with parasites and other small and fixable medical things including
Bartonella and other infections that are not tested for in the USA. (I am
assuming not a USA birth. I could be wrong.) Also, a solid child psychiatrist
will be able to squeeze some insights out of sparse info on the blood parents.

**We have moved allot since she was 5.

But you sound like you lover her tons and that matters. Some children have 10
moves in 10 years and they start to feel they have no place and the affection
needs to be increased and connections to stable relatives by phone, cards,
etc......

**all this defiance and hyperactivity was new to me.

It is fully treatable if they do not miss anything medical like indoor mold
mycotoxins or other things. The best is getting solid physical stuff in place
and then some structured material on how to discipline. In one talk we did the
secondary causes of ADHD  and ODD were over 110 things. Yet I do believe in
genetic ADHD/ADD also.

**For awhile we played the "we must be doing something wrong for her to be
acting this way."

Good. Unless sever abuse this is usually false guilt. Glad looking past the
standard--blame loving parent(s).

**We finally found a doctor who didnt recommend another natural cure but this
doctor actually told us we werent nuts.

I love the natural options and design them, but the facts are in my practice we
rarely see nutrients act as cures. They sure help the blood work we do turn mild
deficiencies to healthy levels, and that sure counts.

**Well by this time I think I was nuts.

Funny. It sure can toast the best parents to toast, huh?

**My daughter is on wellbutrin xl 150 for the ODD and concerta 27mg for the
ADHD.  I am going to try to wean her off of the wellbutrin

actually, this is not a high dose and the doc might want to test her wellbutrin
blood level at some point with other testing. If she has low grade irritability
with ADHD the concerta will burn out acting as an antidepressant, and then you
will not be in a good place. We wrote the paper on how to treat irritable
depression, anxiety and ADHD. Treat in that order. Mood, then ADHD.

Perhaps some child Nordic natural omega 3 only, a small NAC--perhaps in tiny veg
caps that are empty to protect the liver 2x a week and I would not think will be
an issue.

**1 drug in her little body is enough.

Yes, but if she has an irritable mood from this sub-type of depression she will
lose the benefit of the stimulant over time.

I sincerely wish you many happy years with this precious little girl!

Best,

Dr. J
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Any comments made for a child I have not met could obviously have errors, and I
defer to your wise physicians.
_____________*******_____________

   My 9 year old daughter has ODD/ADHD.  She was diagnosed about 2 years ago.The
doctor told us ODD was situational and that she is adopted could also play a
role.  We have moved alot since she was 5.  But even when she was a baby she was
hyper and defiant.  My 23 year old son was such an easy kid to raise so all this
defiance and hyperactivity was new to me.  For awhile we played the "we must be
doing something wrong for her to be acting this way."  We finally found a doctor
who didnt recommend another natural cure but this doctor actually told us we
werent nuts.  Well by this time I think I was nuts.  My daughter is on
wellbutrin xl 150 for the ODD and concerta 27mg for the ADHD.  I am going to try
to wean her off of the wellbutrin and try once again to give her some natural
supplements that may help along with the concerta over the summer.  1 drug in
her little body is enough.  I hate it that she is on the meds but it m

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Hi Karen,
My 9 year old daughter has ODD/ADHD.  She was diagnosed about 2 years ago.The
doctor told us ODD was situational and that she is adopted could also play a
role.  We have moved alot since she was 5.  But even when she was a baby she was
hyper and defiant.  My 23 year old son was such an easy kid to raise so all this
defiance and hyperactivity was new to me.  For awhile we played the "we must be
doing something wrong for her to be acting this way."  We finally found a doctor
who didnt recommend another natural cure but this doctor actually told us we
werent nuts.  Well by this time I think I was nuts.  My daughter is on
wellbutrin xl 150 for the ODD and concerta 27mg for the ADHD.  I am going to try
to wean her off of the wellbutrin and try once again to give her some natural
supplements that may help along with the concerta over the summer.  1 drug in
her little body is enough.  I hate it that she is on the meds but it mad a HUGE
difference for her.  Good luck
Keri


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Hi All,

My name is Karen, I live in Melbourne, Australia.  Not sure where
this group is based, but would be interested to know if this is a
worldwide problem!!  I have a 6 year old son who was diagnosed with
ODD 2 years ago now and has been under psychiatric care since the
age of 2.  Needless to say, the past 4 years have been very trying.
Mr C. is about to embark on his 2nd year of school tomorrow, and I
am terrified!  I had never seen the inside of a school principals'
office until last year when both myself and Mr C. were regular
visitors.  I've read all the books, done all the parenting classes
and tried all of the natural remedies all with limited success. I
have not tried any synthetic medications and am hoping that it won't
come to that.  I guess at this stage I am just looking for someone
to say "I know how you feel".  I have found support very limited in
my area and don't know any other children or parents with the same
problem.  Mr C's school had not even heard of ODD until he started.
Trust me, they know all about it now!!
Any tips or suggestions on dealing with other parents who have
singled us out.  My son has never been invited to a birthday party
nor has he been invited to any other child's house to play.
Invitations to our house are usually declined.  Naturally as a
mother this is heartbreaking.  I have an 11 year old daughter who is
the perfect student and popular with her peers.  Why??

Karen

Thank you for that suggestion.  I will be buying that book asap.  I have found a
great book called Skill Training for Children with Behavior problems by Michael
L Bloomquist.  I have started utilizing some of the suggestions and I am hoping
that in time it will work.

   Penny

smile_ivegotchocolate <dbmcneece@...> wrote:
   I sent a reply before I joined the group,  so I don't know if it will
post.  I'm new, but I'll introduce myself later.  There's a book
called The Defiant Child: A Parent's Guide to Oppositional Disorder by
Dr. Douglas A. Riley.  You can get it on Amazon.  Unfortunately, it
describes our 15yo dd to a "t", though I have not had her in for
assessment.  Will hopefully tackle that soon.  Hope that helps! Beverly

--- In oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com, "jschaller" <jschaller@s...> wrote:
>
> Has any one found a useful book or books on ODD?
>
> J
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Paula
>   To: oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:24 PM
>   Subject: [ODD Parents Room] Re: Hello, I'm wondering if this is
the right group for me?
>
>
>   Linda,
>
>   I wanted to respond to your post. I think this would be a great
>   place for your relative.
>
>   I belive my son (14) may have ODD. We are waiting for the insurance
>   to approve testing. He is a bright child as well but does horrible
>   in school.
>
>   Any kind of advice or support your family can get is great.
>
>   I hope it works out for them.
>
>   Paula
>
>   --- In oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com, "lindap2d"
>   <pearson.linda@c...> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hello,
>   >
>   > I've just signed up for this chat site. I have a child with
>   Aspergers'
>   > Sydrome, and know how much support a good chat site can provide.
>   >
>   > This time, I'm looking for a parent support group for a relative
>   of
>   > mine.  Their teenage son has been diagnosed with ODD.  He is
>   getting
>   > more out of control all the time. Big kid, not afraid to
>   intimidate
>   > his parents if they try to discipline him.  Bright, but getting
>   > horrible grades and refusing to do his homework. Close to getting
>   a
>   > suspended drivers' license.  Would this be a good place to direct
>   the
>   > parents, for support?  the family is already overloaded with
>   > responsibilities, and low on extra energy, and as you know, a kid
>   like
>   > this takes a huge amount of energy.
>   >
>   > Any and all responses appreciated.  if this is not the right
>   place,
>   > I'd appreciate any suggestions on where else to look!
>   >
>   > Thanks much,
>   >
>   > Linda
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
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I sent a reply before I joined the group,  so I don't know if it will
post.  I'm new, but I'll introduce myself later.  There's a book
called The Defiant Child: A Parent's Guide to Oppositional Disorder by
Dr. Douglas A. Riley.  You can get it on Amazon.  Unfortunately, it
describes our 15yo dd to a "t", though I have not had her in for
assessment.  Will hopefully tackle that soon.  Hope that helps! Beverly

--- In oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com, "jschaller" <jschaller@s...> wrote:
>
> Has any one found a useful book or books on ODD?
>
> J
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Paula
>   To: oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:24 PM
>   Subject: [ODD Parents Room] Re: Hello, I'm wondering if this is
the right group for me?
>
>
>   Linda,
>
>   I wanted to respond to your post. I think this would be a great
>   place for your relative.
>
>   I belive my son (14) may have ODD. We are waiting for the insurance
>   to approve testing. He is a bright child as well but does horrible
>   in school.
>
>   Any kind of advice or support your family can get is great.
>
>   I hope it works out for them.
>
>   Paula
>
>   --- In oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com, "lindap2d"
>   <pearson.linda@c...> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hello,
>   >
>   > I've just signed up for this chat site. I have a child with
>   Aspergers'
>   > Sydrome, and know how much support a good chat site can provide.
>   >
>   > This time, I'm looking for a parent support group for a relative
>   of
>   > mine.  Their teenage son has been diagnosed with ODD.  He is
>   getting
>   > more out of control all the time. Big kid, not afraid to
>   intimidate
>   > his parents if they try to discipline him.  Bright, but getting
>   > horrible grades and refusing to do his homework. Close to getting
>   a
>   > suspended drivers' license.  Would this be a good place to direct
>   the
>   > parents, for support?  the family is already overloaded with
>   > responsibilities, and low on extra energy, and as you know, a kid
>   like
>   > this takes a huge amount of energy.
>   >
>   > Any and all responses appreciated.  if this is not the right
>   place,
>   > I'd appreciate any suggestions on where else to look!
>   >
>   > Thanks much,
>   >
>   > Linda
>   >
>
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The "stigma" on being labled as different.
   The schools says its no big deal, but the kids know who the "special "
counselors
   are.  My son meets with his "special" counselor in the school library.
   "Tell them you need help with reading / homework" he says.
   "Just don't let the kids find out why I'm really talking to her" he says.
   I just breaks your heart that the other kids can be so unkind.
   Kids often are aware of more than some adults give them credit for.
   You wouldn't think elementary school student would be so worried about their
image / social status, but they are.
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   Help me I am new to this type of behavior from my 8 year old
daughter.  She is completly defiant at school she has a nasty
attitude.  Her father and I are divorced and going through a messy
custody battle.  Any suggestions on how to deal with her and her
school.  She is already on medications and has already been in a pysch
facility and nothing is working.

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Try providing her with a choice in whatever the situation is. Make sure the
choices are within reason and directly apply to the situation. This should help
with arguing about things.

nurse2u1995 <nurse2u1995@...> wrote:  Help me I am new to this type of
behavior from my 8 year old
daughter.  She is completly defiant at school she has a nasty
attitude.  Her father and I are divorced and going through a messy
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school.  She is already on medications and has already been in a pysch
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custody battle.  Any suggestions on how to deal with her and her
school.  She is already on medications and has already been in a pysch
facility and nothing is working.

Penny

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Thanks Dar!

darnnight <darnnight@...> wrote:  Sorry, forgot to add these links, theres
a bunch of good information.

http://www.add-adhd-infoplus.com/adhd-alternative-treatment.html

http://www.raysahelian.com/adhd.html

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA115393/

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Hi~

   What is Liquid Health Attn? I have never heard of it? Where do you get it and
how much is it?(expensive or no?)
   I have heard of the dairy stuff but, Sadly I am addicted to milk (fat free)
and so is my 5 yr old Katelynn doesn't drink much of it...

   So from those who are experienced as far as going dairy to non-dairy i'd be
interested to hear why and how did it make a difference
   I swear I just can't STOP DRINKING IT....LOL
   I have given up alot including the fast food, chips,crackers, anything in a
can... soda, etc etc...caffiine (which sadly helped MY ADD alot and I do miss
that! so sometimes if I am still really feeling off I will have a cup of coffee)

   we are now mostly eating whole grains and whole foods as much as possible
....harder during the school year as life seems so much more rushed......but we
are really working at it

   and I am drawing a complete blank on Nitrates like I know I SO KNOW THAT
but.....................duh like one of thos ethings if I hadn't stopped to
think about it , it would come to me....

   and Canida cleanse?

   Thanks guys!

   Maria



    ....I read a book years ago something on yeast and the woman or something ..I
should read it again...It really talked alot about all this stuff.......and now
that I really am trying to get our entire family into healthier eating and
living I am trying to find out all I can.....
   I am so ready to be done when ever  possible with western meds and the side
effects.....so wherever I can x it out and find something natural that helps I
am all for it!



Cathy Piper-Lally <cpiperlally@...> wrote:

Hi Dar!  I can't believe I forgot to mention Liquid Health Attention. I'm
usually such a huge fan of the stuff and I forgot all about it in our natural
remedies talk. Anyway, maybe that means I should be taking it, too!  :)  It's
omega 3s, B vitamins, calcium and magnesium and it makes a HUGE difference in my
5 year old.  We ran out of it and within a week his teacher was asking me what
was going on different at home, that Brady had regressed so much. The stuff has
made me a complete believer, where I was a total skeptic.

   Cathy
darnnight <darnnight@...> wrote:
   Cathy, Hello!  Sorry I have not been around much.  I'm out of town
visiting at relatives and just popped in to say hello and to see what
was going on around here.

Your right about the calcuim, always check with your dr for what dose
to give a child.

Here are some GOOD things to help adults and children:

1.) Daily Vitamin (think we talked about this before)
2.) Garlic
3.) Candida cleanse
4.) Omega-3's


Things to stay away from:

1.) NO FAST FOOD (This means even the chicken and mexican places)
2.) NO Nitrates
3.) NO Dairy
4.) NO Artifical Sweetners

Hope this helps!

Dar



--- In oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com, Cathy Piper-Lally
<cpiperlally@y...> wrote:
>
> Maria, calcium seems to help a bit--but be careful I think there is
such a thing as too much calcium.  Spearmint tea (make sure it's
caffeine free :)  ) calms me down, too. None of those things will be
as effective as synthetic drugs, but a whole lot safer! Warm milk,
warm baths with lavender aromatherapy helps. Exercise is pretty
therapeutic, too. Chamomile is supposed to be calming and it tastes
pretty good in tea form.
>
>   Hope this helps!
>
>   Cathy
>
> Maria Hall <regattacrew68@y...> wrote:
>
> Katelynn is out of med and has been for two weeks
>   and we are working on getting her into a clinic to be evaluated
for SID
>
>   In the mean time we are keeping her med free to obtain a correct
diagnosis of yes or no  and I am wondering if anyone knows of any
herbal or natural stuff to help keep her calm (anger hyper yada yada)
something that will eliminate from her system quickly
>
>
>   Thanks
>   maria
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Sorry, forgot to add these links, theres a bunch of good information.

http://www.add-adhd-infoplus.com/adhd-alternative-treatment.html

http://www.raysahelian.com/adhd.html

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA115393/

Dar

Cathy, Hello!  Sorry I have not been around much.  I'm out of town
visiting at relatives and just popped in to say hello and to see what
was going on around here.

Your right about the calcuim, always check with your dr for what dose
to give a child.

Here are some GOOD things to help adults and children:

1.) Daily Vitamin (think we talked about this before)
2.) Garlic
3.) Candida cleanse
4.) Omega-3's


Things to stay away from:

1.) NO FAST FOOD (This means even the chicken and mexican places)
2.) NO Nitrates
3.) NO Dairy
4.) NO Artifical Sweetners

Hope this helps!

Dar



--- In oddparentsroom@yahoogroups.com, Cathy Piper-Lally
<cpiperlally@y...> wrote:
>
> Maria, calcium seems to help a bit--but be careful I think there is
such a thing as too much calcium.  Spearmint tea (make sure it's
caffeine free :)  ) calms me down, too. None of those things will be
as effective as synthetic drugs, but a whole lot safer! Warm milk,
warm baths with lavender aromatherapy helps. Exercise is pretty
therapeutic, too. Chamomile is supposed to be calming and it tastes
pretty good in tea form.
>
>   Hope this helps!
>
>   Cathy
>
> Maria Hall <regattacrew68@y...> wrote:
>
> Katelynn is out of med and has been for two weeks
>   and we are working on getting her into a clinic to be evaluated
for SID
>
>   In the mean time we are keeping her med free to obtain a correct
diagnosis of yes or no  and I am wondering if anyone knows of any
herbal or natural stuff to help keep her calm (anger hyper yada yada)
something that will eliminate from her system quickly
>
>
>   Thanks
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I'd love to have a transcript if you can point me to an URL that has it--I got
this at 10:30PM Pacific so it was way too late to participate.
However the topics sound great!
If you have a link (if there is one!) could you post it? I'd be very interested!
Thanks!

-Glenna
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Organized and In Control: Systems That Save Time and Reduce Stress

In this teleclass participants will learn about:

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Could you explain what are the good things you found there? I am not
familiar with it.

James
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Sorry my bad I should have written it out

   Sensory Integration Disorder or Dysfunction
   Often misdiagnosed as ADHD /ODD etc

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Thank you Cathy
   It has not been too bad actually, at least not as bad as I had suspected it
would be but it would be nice to try some of these when she is hyper etc
   actually caffine calms her down(adhd thing..) but I had forgotten about it
till you said caffine free!~ DUH Me!
   I am wondering if the seroquel made her worse in some aspects
   I def think it made her rages worse

   The clinic we are working on getting her into specializes in SID and said if
she does indeed have it its not treated with drugs so I am interested in finding
out what they do
   I just hope we will finally have some answers one way or another as they work
with all the other disoreders too so hopefully we will finally get a diagnosis

   She gets overwhelmed so easily and so easily frustrated that I have been able
head off alot of her episodes lately by being able to see them coming and
removing the frustration or her from the source

   It certainly helps too that we all have our own rooms to go to now whereas
before when we were staying with friends it  was a tiny 1.5 bedroom 700 sq ft
condo and we were all climbing the walls!

   Its certainly helping too that I am not worn out and run down like i was
before........how long tho this will last????????

   HA!

   That is the question of the day for me! :)
   (seriously though I am much more aware of my need to take care of me this time
around so that I don't get run down!)
   Thanks again!


Cathy Piper-Lally <cpiperlally@...> wrote:
   Maria, calcium seems to help a bit--but be careful I think there is such a
thing as too much calcium.  Spearmint tea (make sure it's caffeine free :)  )
calms me down, too.

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SPAMALOT ALERT!!!!!
There's been way too many spammers on here--could you  please make sure all of
these ads are deleted? Thanks so much hon! I know its alot of work to do upkeep
on a group--I own one as well!
Thought I'd let you know though. :-D

XOO-Glenna
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   Damn, it has sure been a while... I just realized today that it's been 18
months since I went out with a special lady last, but I'm pretty happy to be
heading out tonight. I've had a bit of trouble finding ANY decent women lately
so I joined up at this place a couple  of weeks ago
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Katelynn is out of med and has been for two weeks
   and we are working on getting her into a clinic to be evaluated for SID

   In the mean time we are keeping her med free to obtain a correct diagnosis of
yes or no  and I am wondering if anyone knows of any herbal or natural stuff to
help keep her calm (anger hyper yada yada) something that will eliminate from
her system quickly


   Thanks
   maria


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Hi,
My name is Natasha and I am a Special Education teacher. I teach middle
school. I have a 6 year old son that is on the verge of being tested
for ODD or ADHD (whichever they decide). I want to know from all the
parents- What are some of the biggest concerns you and your child has
had to face while progressing through school?

Thanks for your thoughts.
Natasha

This might be of use. Talks about 100 causes and 100 solutions to OD and
dysinhibited children and adolescents....  Some new material like testing MSH
and VIP at Labcorp. Bartonella which is very common and never tested for.
Mycotoxins in 30% of structures.....

e-book:
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/outofcontrolyouthexcerpts.html

Amazon.com hard copy:
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   PROBLEMS,OR BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD. MY DAUGHTER IS 22 YEARS OLD AND LIVES
   WITH ME. WE ATTEMPTED TWO TEMP. WORK PROGRAMS. TO SEE HOW DO IN A WORK
   EXPERIENCE. (SORRY SPELLING SUCKS) SHE DID NOT LIKE GETTING UP,KEEPING
   ROUTINE,STAYING CLEAN. JUST WANTS TO SLEEP,WATCH TV,COMPUTER AND LET
   EVERYBODY ELSE WORK. NEEDS TO BECOME MORE INDEPENDENT AND RELISTIC
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   IF COULD SEND ANY ADVICE OR PAST KNOWLEDGE ON.......WOULD LOVE HEAR
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JUST LOOKING FOR SOME ADVICE AND HELP. PARENTS HAVING SAME
PROBLEMS,OR BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD. MY DAUGHTER IS 22 YEARS OLD AND LIVES
WITH ME. WE ATTEMPTED TWO TEMP. WORK PROGRAMS. TO SEE HOW DO IN A WORK
EXPERIENCE. (SORRY SPELLING SUCKS) SHE DID NOT LIKE GETTING UP,KEEPING
ROUTINE,STAYING CLEAN. JUST WANTS TO SLEEP,WATCH TV,COMPUTER AND LET
EVERYBODY ELSE WORK. NEEDS TO BECOME MORE INDEPENDENT AND RELISTIC
ABOUT THE WORLD. JUST NOT SURE WHAT TO DO.

IF COULD SEND ANY ADVICE OR PAST KNOWLEDGE ON.......WOULD LOVE HEAR
FROM YOU.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ADHD-Dyslexia-Israel/