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In my humble opinion.....you look foolish....   Message List  
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Re: [noillianatollroad] Re: In my humble opinion.....you look foolish....

Ernie, this was a very well written piece.
 
I have exchanged several e-mails with the gentleman that first posted under this subject.  He was reacting to how I appeared in the newspaper articles and after I explained what I had said that wasn't quoted in the paper, he saw things much differently.  I hope to meet him personally at the meeting in Lake County on Wednesday.
 
My experience with other Yahoo Groups has shown that internet arguments are really non-productive and can cause great harm.  I hope you all will see why I handled this the way I did.  I do not want to censor in any way what's said on the list, but I do want to keep things focused.

The gist of what I said at the press conference was that while concern for our home and land was what fired us up in the first place, further research showed that there were far reaching impacts from a public works project like the Illiana Toll Road, and that it was a mistake to look solely at the project and not take a wider view of planning for the NWI area.  What I said about the boarded up buildings and closed businesses in Hammond and Gary was absolutely my true feelings.  We cannot continue to turn green fields to brown fields, and just because we want to protect the green fields, doesn't mean we can't care about the brown fields.
 
It's really difficult to boil these thoughts down to the "quotes" the media wants to print, and in this case, apparently I wasn't successful.  That won't stop me from continuing to try.
Dave

Jim Woessner <jimwoe@...> wrote:
Ernie Jones for Governor
--- ernie jones <epj69@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I am far from where all the activity is, but I
> still have
> concerns. Suppose it is losing their property,
>
> 1. will they be offered fair market value for their
> property
> 2 will they be able to purchase property of equal
> value.
> 3. Is it okay to evict a family, forcing them to
> move away from
> friends, schools, churches, work
> 4. Is it okay to the people who might not leave
> their homes, but the
> road is thirty feet from their
> house,
>
> depreciating their property just when there is
> a soaring demand
> for ethanol boosting farmland more
> than 15% in the last year.
> 5. Is the appraiser local who knows the value of
> property in the area
> 6. If they can't settle, can they afford to fight
> the state, the
> county, and probably the federal in courts and
> be fair to all concerned
>
> The list can go on and on, this is just to name
> a few. The main
> concern is the lack of funding the counties once
> received. Since
> major roads was brought to the surface, speaking for
> my area, Henry
> County has had an increase in property tax, a wheel
> tax has been
> imposed. Our water bill has doubled. Our roads are
> a shamble, some
> resurfaced with dusty gravel. Crime has increased
> tenfold. Two
> schools are looking at layoffs. Meanwhile, there is
> billions drawing
> huge interest for roads that haven't been proven
> that is really
> necessary. Roads that tax payers will pay for and
> pay again if they
> want to use their own roads. Some foreign company
> will operate the
> roads, money leaving the state where once it was
> revenue. The toll
> road seemed to operate just fine until your man
> Mitch became
> governor. Removing thousands of acres that will no
> longer be taxed
> adding more tax increases in the near future.
>
> A lot of existing roads could be widened and
> repaired, instead
> of chopping away at farmland that is so desperately
> needed. A lot
> of farmers have decided to plant all the corn they
> can for ethanol.
> The farmland they want to bury with concrete and
> asphalt might be the
> very farms that grow food for your kitchen table
> instead of corn.
> Idiots out there are saying, "we've got to look
> toward to the
> future". Without the farms growing food, there
> might not be much of
> a future, don't you think? I suppose you could buy
> wheat from China
> that was tainted with poison that our farmers do not
> use. You are
> smart enough to know that is the reason for the
> recall of dog and
> cat food that was killing our furry pets? Who
> knows, it might have
> been purchased for human consumption. Hoosier
> farmers have never had
> a crop of any kind that had to be recalled.
> Hoosier farmers are the
> best, the pros, and Mitch wants to take some of that
> away from us?
>
> I really feel for the people that might lose
> their property.
> It's not a good feeling to think you own something
> and find out that
> it takes a greedy mind to take it away from you.
> If they are lucky,
> they might find a place close enough to keep their
> children in the
> same schools, but wherever they relocate, IT WILL
> NEVER FEEL LIKE
> HOME. While these people are fighting for
> something they believe
> in, you sit back and ridicule their efforts. And
> you think they look
> foolish?
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> (Yahoo! ID required)
>
>
mailto:noillianatollroad-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

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Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:00 pm

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I have no problem with anyone who is either for or against the road and their reasons are their personal business. However, I think you folks look silly...
golf7474 Offline Send Email Mar 30, 2007
11:23 pm

I find it hard to believe that you've taken any time to meet any of the people involved, been to any meetings or gotten involved with anyone addressing this...
Russ Harper
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Mar 30, 2007
11:52 pm

... Ahlberg ... do ... about ... out YOUR OPINION IS YOUR BUSINESS BUT IF YOU ARE THAT UN-KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT THE TOLL-ROAD THEN THATS YOUR RIGHT . I , HOWEVER...
jim booker
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Mar 31, 2007
1:23 am

I am far from where all the activity is, but I still have concerns. Suppose it is losing their property, 1. will they be offered fair market value for their...
ernie jones
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Mar 31, 2007
1:49 am

Ernie Jones for Governor ... mailto:noillianatollroad-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com ... ...
Jim Woessner
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Mar 31, 2007
2:31 pm

Ernie, this was a very well written piece. I have exchanged several e-mails with the gentleman that first posted under this subject. He was reacting to how I...
Dave Ahlberg
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Mar 31, 2007
3:00 pm

Well said Dave. I have found this on another Yahoo site also. We got off between each other and exchanged why we feel the way that we do and understand and...
Marian
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Mar 31, 2007
7:16 pm

I'm glad to see that dissent is handled with civility. All too often, it seems that legitimate differences in opinion end up being made into personal...
christopher.hedges
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Apr 1, 2007
12:24 am

Mr Hedges; I would like to thank you for you opinion in regards to the Illiana Tollroad. You are so right that WE from NW Indiana will have to help solve this...
A l
wjdq40 Offline Send Email
Apr 2, 2007
1:10 am

To both of the writers of this string below, womnderful! Articulate and meaningful discourse is what we need at this point. Can I suggest as a followup to a...
albert zieba
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Apr 2, 2007
1:30 am

Mr Zieba; Just curious.....are you from NW Indiana? Were you born and raised here? Are you over 50 years of age? If the answer to all questions are yes; then...
A l
wjdq40 Offline Send Email
Apr 2, 2007
2:36 am

Thank You for your eloquence Mr.Jones, perhaps Mr.Albert should read this. I am surprised he missed it. Slight oversight I suppose... -- In...
farrantcaroline Offline Send Email Apr 2, 2007
3:12 am

When you talk of building roads, some people can only see the road ahead of them. If you’re going to take a trip you try the enjoy the scenery. You look...
ernie jones
epj69 Offline Send Email
Apr 2, 2007
4:23 am

No Ernie, you were right the first time, it will never feel like home, not to me. My husband and I built/planted everything ourselves. I don't think I could...
farrantcaroline Offline Send Email Apr 2, 2007
4:44 am

Tainted wheat from china? Stretching a it to make a point aren't we? Lets just take the hundreds of millions of dollars in farm subsidies that have poured...
albert zieba
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Apr 2, 2007
3:44 pm

I’ve never stretched anything to make a point. Everything I’ve said is either my opinion or fact. If you were to google “tainted wheat from China“,...
ernie jones
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Apr 2, 2007
4:42 pm

I reread what I had posted and you were right, I was making a point. It didn’t have to be wheat from China, it could have been the tainted lettuce, cabbage,...
ernie jones
epj69 Offline Send Email
Apr 2, 2007
7:07 pm

There was a website recommended by a Laporte Herald Argus editor re: the Illiana and the NAFTA highway. I have not had time to delve into the website, but the...
j fitzhug
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Apr 3, 2007
2:56 am

www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst-2006tst103006.htm Sorry-I had forgotten to send the link. I am not sure why the editor recommended this site, he said it would be...
j fitzhug
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Apr 3, 2007
3:11 am

I-80/I-94 are part of a Mexico-Canada "Super Corridor" being pushed by international trade groups. The North American Supercorridor Coalition (NASCO) includes...
christopher.hedges
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Apr 3, 2007
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