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Ha ,that list sounds just like my list ,and I need a new main ,was at the boat
yesterday after work,wish it was warmer




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From: doomdahdoomdoom <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:44:10 PM
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Spring/Launch is in the Air


Only four weekends to work on the boat before launch and since it's my first
spring (I bought her in "ready-to-launch" condition last year), I'm making a
list of chores to try to avoid missing anything important...

Would anybody care to share their pre-launch chores/checklist?

So far for things I need to do before she's in the water I've got:
- new spark plugs/gear oil in the outboard and make sure it still starts
- gelcoat repair
- scrape back the flaky sections of the bottom paint
- probably epoxy the keel joint where it's cracked
- paint the bottom with VC17
- wax the topsides
- top up charge on batteries
- reinstall instruments

I've also got a few specific maintenance items to probably get done ahead of
launch:
- rebed both chain plates (starboard side was leaking last summer)
- repair or replace bilge pump (found out it was broken/useless at the end of
last season)
- replace worn-out spin halyard
- test/replace lights on mast

There's probably more to add...

Mark MacRae
N26 #150 "Panache"
QCYC, Toronto




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#1072

From: "Douglas" <garvock@...>
Date: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:08 am
Subject: This N26 is for sale in Port Dover, Canada for 10,000 Canadian

garvock

FOR FULL DETAILS AND INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT BRIDGE YACHTS LIMITED AT
519-583-3199 , FAX 519 583-3882

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#1073

From: "bcasey198" <bcasey198@...>
Date: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:47 pm
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Re: Second Wind

bcasey198

2nd Wind's Hull number is really 98. The first owner of  my boat had to
put a 1 in front of the sail number to race because there was already a
# 98 race at his club. The sail number has stayed the same ever since.

Brian


--- In niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com, "John Vandereerden"
<jvandereerden@...> wrote:
>
> Second Winds sail number is 198 and My boat Bottoms up's sail # is 25.
Both
> boats are built by Hinterhoeller. WE are both located at LaSalle
Mariners
> Yacht club at the southern end of the Detroit River in the town of
Lasalle
> Ontario here is a link to our club website. Here is a link to the
club.
> http://lasallemarinersyachtclub.com/ We are a sail only club and have
> another N26 at the club who no longer actively races any longer.
>
>
>
> I cannot find my posting or second winds posting on the site any
longer. Is
> this because you are working on them?
>
>
>
> If we get enough boats our club will host a one design for us as well.
We
> can incorporate it in just about any of the club races we host. We
have a
> travel lift and dockage at no cost for anyone racing at our club.
>
>
>
> Regards John
>
>
>
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Douglas
> Sent: February 10, 2009 11:06 PM
> To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Re: Second Wind
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> I have made some changes to Second Wind and Bottoms Up. Can you add
> any sail numbers, pictures, yacht club or marina info. and owner's
> info. to the information we now have?
>
> Doug
> Niagara Owners
>
> --- In niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Vandereerden"
> jvandereerden@ wrote:
> >
> > I noticed that Second wind is shown as based out of LaSalle PQ as
> well.
> > I can assure you he is docked in Lasalle Ontario along with bottoms
> up
> > and it would be nice if this was corrected.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>

#1074

From: doomdahdoomdoom
Date: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:32 pm
Subject: Ker-Splash!

We're in and she still floats!  It was a beautiful but busy weekend here at
QCYC.  All boats went in over Saturday/Sunday.  I even managed to get a sail
Saturday evening on a buddy's Viking 28 that had launched a few days early.  The
season has officially started - yippee!!

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#1075

From: doomdahdoomdoom
Date: Fri May 1, 2009 3:15 pm
Subject: Never-used N26 Cruising Main for sale

I ran across this ad on Kijiji for an old main that has apparently never been
used:

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-MAIN-SAIL-FOR-NIAGARA-26-SAILBOAT\
-W0QQAdIdZ115716752

I contacted the poster and got pictures of it sent to me then contacted North to
see if they could help identify it.  I was hoping that it might be a steal of a
deal on a new sail for my racing season, but here's what the North rep had to
say:

>From the photos I can see a number of manufacturing and detailing features that
allow me to estimate the age with reasonable accuracy.
This sail is close to 20 yrs old, and designed as a basic cruising sail - so I
would not expect it to offer the level of performance that you are currently
enjoying.


Anyway, I figured I should pass along the ad to any other N26 owners who might
be looking for a cruising main.  She's asking $650.

Mark MacRae
N26 #150 "Panache"
QCYC (Toronto)

#1076

From: doomdahdoomdoom
Date: Fri May 1, 2009 5:54 pm
Subject: Whisker Pole

I don't suppose that anybody in the vicinity of Toronto has a spare whisker pole
they are dying to get rid of?

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#1077

From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...>
Date: Sat May 2, 2009 2:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Never-used N26 Cruising Main for sale

fulltilt2ca

pictures would be nice.

On our Niagara we bought a new main ($2300) in 2004.  The boat sailed
flatter and faster.  The old main was a bit bagged out and we frequently
had to double reef.  the new one allowed single reef in same conditions.
Was well worth it.

Mike

________________________________

From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
doomdahdoomdoom
Sent: May 1, 2009 12:16 PM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Never-used N26 Cruising Main
for sale





I ran across this ad on Kijiji for an old main that has apparently never
been used:

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-MAIN-SAIL-FOR-NIAGARA-26-
SAILBOAT-W0QQAdIdZ115716752
<http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-MAIN-SAIL-FOR-NIAGARA-26
-SAILBOAT-W0QQAdIdZ115716752>

I contacted the poster and got pictures of it sent to me then contacted
North to see if they could help identify it. I was hoping that it might
be a steal of a deal on a new sail for my racing season, but here's what
the North rep had to say:

>From the photos I can see a number of manufacturing and detailing
features that allow me to estimate the age with reasonable accuracy.
This sail is close to 20 yrs old, and designed as a basic cruising sail
- so I would not expect it to offer the level of performance that you
are currently enjoying.

Anyway, I figured I should pass along the ad to any other N26 owners who
might be looking for a cruising main. She's asking $650.

Mark MacRae
N26 #150 "Panache"
QCYC (Toronto)






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#1078

From: doomdahdoomdoom
Date: Mon May 4, 2009 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Never-used N26 Cruising Main for sale

For pictures, just reply to the ad and the seller will send you pics of it.
mark

--- In niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com, "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...>
wrote:
>
> pictures would be nice.
>
> On our Niagara we bought a new main ($2300) in 2004.  The boat sailed
> flatter and faster.  The old main was a bit bagged out and we frequently
> had to double reef.  the new one allowed single reef in same conditions.
> Was well worth it.
>
> Mike
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> doomdahdoomdoom
> Sent: May 1, 2009 12:16 PM
> To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Never-used N26 Cruising Main
> for sale
>
>
>
>
>
> I ran across this ad on Kijiji for an old main that has apparently never
> been used:
>
> http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-MAIN-SAIL-FOR-NIAGARA-26-
> SAILBOAT-W0QQAdIdZ115716752
> <http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-MAIN-SAIL-FOR-NIAGARA-26
> -SAILBOAT-W0QQAdIdZ115716752>
>
> I contacted the poster and got pictures of it sent to me then contacted
> North to see if they could help identify it. I was hoping that it might
> be a steal of a deal on a new sail for my racing season, but here's what
> the North rep had to say:
>
> >From the photos I can see a number of manufacturing and detailing
> features that allow me to estimate the age with reasonable accuracy.
> This sail is close to 20 yrs old, and designed as a basic cruising sail
> - so I would not expect it to offer the level of performance that you
> are currently enjoying.
>
> Anyway, I figured I should pass along the ad to any other N26 owners who
> might be looking for a cruising main. She's asking $650.
>
> Mark MacRae
> N26 #150 "Panache"
> QCYC (Toronto)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#1079

From: doomdahdoomdoom
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 6:59 pm
Subject: Talking to myself

Sure is quiet in here... At the risk of appearing to be just talking to myself,
I thought I'd let you all know that I have decided to start blogging an online
logbook of sorts:

http://n26panache.wordpress.com

Feel free to kill a few minutes during your work day to follow along.

#1080

From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...>
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 7:18 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Talking to myself

fulltilt2ca

Nice Read.

Some of us are still in "maintenance mode"

Also - the eather seems to think it is February not May

________________________________

From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of doomdahdoomdoom
Sent: Fri 15/05/2009 3:59 PM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Talking to myself





Sure is quiet in here... At the risk of appearing to be just talking to myself,
I thought I'd let you all know that I have decided to start blogging an online
logbook of sorts:

http://n26panache.wordpress.com <http://n26panache.wordpress.com/>

Feel free to kill a few minutes during your work day to follow along.






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#1081

From: "jim" <jgra5725@...>
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: Talking to myself

sailsforever

--- In niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com, doomdahdoomdoom <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> Sure is quiet in here... At the risk of appearing to be just talking to
myself, I thought I'd let you all know that I have decided to start blogging an
online logbook of sorts:
>
> http://n26panache.wordpress.com
>
> Feel free to kill a few minutes during your work day to follow along.
>
No your not talking to your self ,just a lot of lurkers with nothing to say
lol,Ive ordered my new main from triton ,anxiously awaiting the reward of new
found power as the old one was not a racing main and the foot was to
short,thinking of driving down to the Lasalle mariners club to watch the N26
pros rig and race ,anybody need a hand this weekend down there

#1082

From: JIM GRAU <jgra5725@...>
Date: Sat May 16, 2009 1:44 am
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Talking to myself

sailsforever

Yes the weather su� cks again ,now who made mother nature angry again ,probably
Mike

--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Hoyt, Mike <mike.hoyt@...> wrote:

From: Hoyt, Mike <mike.hoyt@...>
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Talking to myself
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, May 15, 2009, 7:18 PM








Nice Read.

Some of us are still in "maintenance mode"

Also - the eather seems to think it is February not May

____________ _________ _________ __

From: niagarasailboatowne rspage@yahoogrou ps.com on behalf of doomdahdoomdoom
Sent: Fri 15/05/2009 3:59 PM
To: niagarasailboatowne rspage@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Talking to myself

Sure is quiet in here... At the risk of appearing to be just talking to myself,
I thought I'd let you all know that I have decided to start blogging an online
logbook of sorts:

http://n26panache. wordpress. com <http://n26panache. wordpress. com/>

Feel free to kill a few minutes during your work day to follow along.

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#1083

From: "Stephen Haughn" <haughn6@...>
Date: Sun May 17, 2009 9:11 pm
Subject: Bottomkote advice

haughn6

Hi all

For the past two springs, I've applied Interlux Bottomkote to the hull.  Both
times the paint has been very "chunky" with lots of solid pieces.  Last year it
solidified in the painting tray as we were applying it.  Is this normal?  I
shook the can this year after it had been on the shelf in the basement since
last spring (never opened).  Should I have shaken it longer (like for 10 minutes
or some crazy thing?)

Signed
Rookie Hull painter  :-)

#1084

From: "John Vandereerden" <jvandereerden@...>
Date: Sun May 17, 2009 10:06 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Bottomkote advice

bottomsupn26

I would suggest getting rid of that paint an use VC17. You have to
completely clean the hull however before applying it. You may also want to
apply a barrier coat such as inter-protect as well. Big job but well worth
the effort.



John



From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Haughn
Sent: May 17, 2009 5:12 PM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Bottomkote advice








Hi all

For the past two springs, I've applied Interlux Bottomkote to the hull. Both
times the paint has been very "chunky" with lots of solid pieces. Last year
it solidified in the painting tray as we were applying it. Is this normal? I
shook the can this year after it had been on the shelf in the basement since
last spring (never opened). Should I have shaken it longer (like for 10
minutes or some crazy thing?)

Signed
Rookie Hull painter :-)





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#1085

From: Wes Whitmore <wes_whitmore@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 7:27 am
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Bottomkote advice

wes_whitmore

Yes,� If chunks did not go away it could have been faulty pain.��I had that
problem with mciron csc.� rep gave me a free gallon.
�
wes

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Stephen Haughn <haughn6@...> wrote:

From: Stephen Haughn <haughn6@...>
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Bottomkote advice
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 5:11 PM

Hi all

For the past two springs, I've applied Interlux Bottomkote to the hull. Both
times the paint has been very "chunky" with lots of solid pieces. Last year it
solidified in the painting tray as we were applying it. Is this normal? I shook
the can this year after it had been on the shelf in the basement since last
spring (never opened). Should I have shaken it longer (like for 10 minutes or
some crazy thing?)

Signed
Rookie Hull painter :-)

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#1086

From: "Gary L. Irving" <sunflower_niagara_35@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

irvatty

Group, has anyone recently re-bedded  any of these items ?
  Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates

If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..

What is the deck material  like under the tracks ?



Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails?  Where was the material
obtained ?

Thanks, Gary

Sunflower Hull # 27




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#1087

From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 6:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

fulltilt2ca

on Full tilt 2 the chainplate area was recored and the forward tracks
ebedded as well as chainplates

Deck is cored with 1/4 inch end grain balsa.

I used 3M 4200 for bedding

________________________________

From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary L.
Irving
Sent: May 19, 2009 2:57 PM
To: Niagara Yahoo Group
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates





Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates

If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..

What is the deck material like under the tracks ?

Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
material obtained ?

Thanks, Gary

Sunflower Hull # 27

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#1088

From: "Gary L. Irving" <sunflower_niagara_35@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

irvatty

Is the 1/4/inch balsa under the tracks ?

gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...>
To: <niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com>; ", Wingtips"
<wtagent@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates


> on Full tilt 2 the chainplate area was recored and the forward tracks
> ebedded as well as chainplates
>
> Deck is cored with 1/4 inch end grain balsa.
>
> I used 3M 4200 for bedding
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary L.
> Irving
> Sent: May 19, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: Niagara Yahoo Group
> Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
> inner jib track, Chain plates
>
>
>
>
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> material obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

#1089

From: "Bill Tate" <Btate@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 6:20 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

wmtateus

On Sloop du Jour excessive moisture was present in about 40% of the deck
areas.  Recored with balsa core and with solid laminate plate G-10 in
areas penetrated by hardware.  Hardware was bedded with 3M 4200.  This
was done almost two years ago and appears to have worked.

-----Original Message-----
From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:07 PM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com; , Wingtips
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates

on Full tilt 2 the chainplate area was recored and the forward tracks
ebedded as well as chainplates

Deck is cored with 1/4 inch end grain balsa.

I used 3M 4200 for bedding

________________________________

From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary L.
Irving
Sent: May 19, 2009 2:57 PM
To: Niagara Yahoo Group
Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates





Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates

If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..

What is the deck material like under the tracks ?

Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
material obtained ?

Thanks, Gary

Sunflower Hull # 27

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#1090

From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 6:26 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

fulltilt2ca

yes - also cockpit floor had same thickness

________________________________

From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary L.
Irving
Sent: May 19, 2009 3:22 PM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates





Is the 1/4/inch balsa under the tracks ?

gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.hoyt@...
<mailto:mike.hoyt%40impgroup.com> >
To: <niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage%40yahoogroups.com> >; ", Wingtips"
<wtagent@... <mailto:wtagent%40wingtips.ca> >
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates

> on Full tilt 2 the chainplate area was recored and the forward tracks
> ebedded as well as chainplates
>
> Deck is cored with 1/4 inch end grain balsa.
>
> I used 3M 4200 for bedding
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gary
L.
> Irving
> Sent: May 19, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: Niagara Yahoo Group
> Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
> inner jib track, Chain plates
>
>
>
>
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> material obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>






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#1091

From: "Gary L. Irving" <sunflower_niagara_35@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

irvatty

what thickness G-10 was most useful under the tracks ?

G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tate" <Btate@...>
To: <niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com>; ", Wingtips"
<wtagent@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates


> On Sloop du Jour excessive moisture was present in about 40% of the deck
> areas.  Recored with balsa core and with solid laminate plate G-10 in
> areas penetrated by hardware.  Hardware was bedded with 3M 4200.  This
> was done almost two years ago and appears to have worked.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
> Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com; , Wingtips
> Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
> inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> on Full tilt 2 the chainplate area was recored and the forward tracks
> ebedded as well as chainplates
>
> Deck is cored with 1/4 inch end grain balsa.
>
> I used 3M 4200 for bedding
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary L.
> Irving
> Sent: May 19, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: Niagara Yahoo Group
> Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
> inner jib track, Chain plates
>
>
>
>
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> material obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#1092

From: "Bill Tate" <Btate@...>
Date: Tue May 19, 2009 7:11 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

wmtateus

It would have been the same as the balsa core. I still have some at home
and I'll measure and get back in da or 2.

Bill Tate

-----Original Message-----
From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary L.
Irving
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:05 PM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates

what thickness G-10 was most useful under the tracks ?

G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tate" <Btate@...>
To: <niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com>; ", Wingtips"
<wtagent@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates


> On Sloop du Jour excessive moisture was present in about 40% of the
deck
> areas.  Recored with balsa core and with solid laminate plate G-10 in
> areas penetrated by hardware.  Hardware was bedded with 3M 4200.  This
> was done almost two years ago and appears to have worked.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
> Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com; , Wingtips
> Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand
rails,
> inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> on Full tilt 2 the chainplate area was recored and the forward tracks
> ebedded as well as chainplates
>
> Deck is cored with 1/4 inch end grain balsa.
>
> I used 3M 4200 for bedding
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
L.
> Irving
> Sent: May 19, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: Niagara Yahoo Group
> Subject: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
> inner jib track, Chain plates
>
>
>
>
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> material obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
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#1093

From: David Searle <dsearle@...>
Date: Wed May 20, 2009 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

n31panache

Hi Gary,

Some time ago I rebedded the windows, teak handrail and inside genny
track on Panache with 4200.  Leaked a bit before I started, leaked
like a sieve afterwards.  Operator error, no doubt.

I have just rebedded the whole lot (and winches as well) with butyl
tape  No leaks so far in the light rain we've had, but I plan to take
a pressure washer to the deck today, so I'll let you know how it
works...

Cheers, David

--

            _/)
~~~~~~~~~
David Searle

SNRO, RMCC, PJ
Niagara 31 #84, Panache

Cell:  (613) 878-7480
Home:  (613) 798-7480

On 19-May-09, at 1:56 PM, Gary L. Irving wrote:

>
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> material obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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#1094

From: "Bill Tate" <Btate@...>
Date: Wed May 20, 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: RE: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

wmtateus

-----Original Message-----
From: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Searle
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:18 AM
To: niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: David Searle
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates

Hi Gary,

Some time ago I rebedded the windows, teak handrail and inside genny
track on Panache with 4200.  Leaked a bit before I started, leaked like
a sieve afterwards.  Operator error, no doubt.

I have just rebedded the whole lot (and winches as well) with butyl tape
No leaks so far in the light rain we've had, but I plan to take a
pressure washer to the deck today, so I'll let you know how it works...

Cheers, David

--

            _/)
~~~~~~~~~
David Searle

SNRO, RMCC, PJ
Niagara 31 #84, Panache

Cell:  (613) 878-7480
Home:  (613) 798-7480




On 19-May-09, at 1:56 PM, Gary L. Irving wrote:

>
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> material obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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#1095

From: "Gary L. Irving" <sunflower_niagara_35@...>
Date: Wed May 20, 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

irvatty

I would be interested in knowing the results.  Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Searle" <dsearle@...>
To: <niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "David Searle" <dsearle@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails,
inner jib track, Chain plates


> Hi Gary,
>
> Some time ago I rebedded the windows, teak handrail and inside genny
> track on Panache with 4200.  Leaked a bit before I started, leaked
> like a sieve afterwards.  Operator error, no doubt.
>
> I have just rebedded the whole lot (and winches as well) with butyl
> tape  No leaks so far in the light rain we've had, but I plan to take
> a pressure washer to the deck today, so I'll let you know how it
> works...
>
> Cheers, David
>
> --
>
>            _/)
> ~~~~~~~~~
> David Searle
>
> SNRO, RMCC, PJ
> Niagara 31 #84, Panache
>
> Cell:  (613) 878-7480
> Home:  (613) 798-7480
>
>
>
>
> On 19-May-09, at 1:56 PM, Gary L. Irving wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> > Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
> >
> > If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
> >
> > What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
> >
> > Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> > material obtained ?
> >
> > Thanks, Gary
> >
> > Sunflower Hull # 27
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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#1096

From: wavewalker_16
Date: Sat May 23, 2009 2:47 am
Subject: Re: Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

wavewalker_16

I just rebedded my handrails and resealed my chain plates and . I used 3M 4200.
You really have to force the sealant in around the chain plates. I also
tightened all the nuts on the toe rail and replaced the plexiglass on my
forehatch. For the 1st time that I can remember I have no deck leaks. ( I've had
the boat 28 years). All work was completed mid April.

I made new hand rails about 15 years ago. I got the new teak from Noah's in
Toronto and used the old hand rails as templates.

The decking is all end grain balsa. When I removed my hand rails this time I
drilled the holes in the deck a drill size bigger to clean out all old caulking.
I then made up a thick polyester resin paste and filled the holes. This seals
the balsa. I redrilled new holes in the same spot. To re-install the hand rails,
it really requires 2 people. With new hand rails, 2 people are required.

Cheers,
Martin
Wave Walker #16
EYC Toronto

--- In niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com, "Gary L. Irving"
<sunflower_niagara_35@...> wrote:
>
> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded  any of these items ?
>  Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>
> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>
> What is the deck material  like under the tracks ?
>
>
>
> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails?  Where was the material
obtained ?
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> Sunflower Hull # 27
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#1097

From: David Searle <dsearle@...>
Date: Sat May 23, 2009 11:40 am
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates

n31panache

Hi y'all!

So, I have pretty much completed the re-bedding of my windows,
handrails and winches.  And we've had two rains, plus I've powerwashed
the decks.

The butyl tape is easy to work with, worked wonders (if anyone wants
to try it, email me, I learned a number of cools tricks that made life
easy), and has much to recommend it.  I have used about 70 linier feet
of it (for a total of less than $25) so far.  Almost all of the leaks
are sealed tight.  A couple need some more work, but the touch-up is
easy: loosen the bolts, jam some more in and tighten up.

I still have leaks.  One is from the teak eyebrow, which I plan to
remove and rebed with butyl this summer, and I suspect the hatches
leak as well.

But it's progress!

Cheers, David

--

            _/)
~~~~~~~~~
David Searle

SNRO, RMCC, PJ
Niagara 31 #84, Panache

Cell:  (613) 878-7480
Home:  (613) 798-7480

On 20-May-09, at 6:17 AM, David Searle wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> Some time ago I rebedded the windows, teak handrail and inside genny
> track on Panache with 4200.  Leaked a bit before I started, leaked
> like a sieve afterwards.  Operator error, no doubt.
>
> I have just rebedded the whole lot (and winches as well) with butyl
> tape  No leaks so far in the light rain we've had, but I plan to
> take a pressure washer to the deck today, so I'll let you know how
> it works...
>
> Cheers, David
>
> --
>
>           _/)
> ~~~~~~~~~
> David Searle
>
> SNRO, RMCC, PJ
> Niagara 31 #84, Panache
>
> Cell:  (613) 878-7480
> Home:  (613) 798-7480
>
>
>
>
> On 19-May-09, at 1:56 PM, Gary L. Irving wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
>> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
>>
>> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
>>
>> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
>>
>> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
>> material obtained ?
>>
>> Thanks, Gary
>>
>> Sunflower Hull # 27
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>

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#1098

From: "Art Mosher *Lists*" <lists@...>
Date: Sun May 24, 2009 2:00 am
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Digest Number 586

artm9

Couple of Comments:

1.  If you are replacing the hand rails, consider replacing the teak with
stainless steel/chrome - it never needs re-painting!

2.  Careful tightening the Toe Rail nuts too tight.  If you overtighten you can
squeeze out all the caulking put in at the factory - and end up with more,
not less leaks!

3.  What is this 'Butyl Tape'?

4.  3M 4200 is supposed to be the 'Gold Standard'.  But keep in mind you
may have to rebed such items again.  And removing items so bedded with
4200 is somewhat of a nightmare.  An easier re-working bedding is Sikaflex
- 290 I think.  Though there may be other better first & Re-working
alternatives.

5.  Who / where do you get a new plexiglass Hatch made?

6.  Has anyone figured out a cosmetically more pleasing and simple clean
line interior 'edging' around the windows - to replace the big plastic old
fashioned trim?

7.  I would be interested in traveller arrangements that meet the need for
frequent adjustment with less than Herculean force - preferably at 'onshore'
rather than 'offshore' prices ?  Pictures would be good!  Until I decide on a
suitable arrangement, I'm being pressured into making a decision by the
fact of one broken car stop.  If anyone has an extra or a source of same I
would be grateful.  Current stop - one side only - is a thin Clevis pin!

Fair winds & Good Sailing !

- Art in Bedford NS

Hull # ZHY2607881F

Art's Ark - Hinterhoeller Hull #  Date sent:       23 May 2009 20:41:38 -
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> 1a. Re: Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates
>     From: wavewalker_16
> 1b. Re: Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates
>     From: David Searle
>
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> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. Re: Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates
>     Posted by: "wavewalker_16" no_reply@yahoogroups.com wavewalker_16
>     Date: Fri May 22, 2009 7:47 pm ((PDT))
>
> I just rebedded my handrails and resealed my chain plates and . I used 3M
4200. You really have to force the sealant in around the chain plates. I also
tightened all the nuts on the toe rail and replaced the plexiglass on my
forehatch. For the 1st time that I can remember I have no deck leaks. ( I've had
the boat 28 years). All work was completed mid April.
>
> I made new hand rails about 15 years ago. I got the new teak from Noah's in
Toronto and used the old hand rails as templates.
>
> The decking is all end grain balsa. When I removed my hand rails this time I
drilled the holes in the deck a drill size bigger to clean out all old caulking.
I then made up a thick polyester resin paste and filled the holes. This seals
the balsa. I redrilled new holes in the same spot. To re-install the hand rails,
it really requires 2 people. With new hand rails, 2 people are required.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
> Wave Walker #16
> EYC Toronto
>
> --- In niagarasailboatownerspage@yahoogroups.com, "Gary L. Irving"
<sunflower_niagara_35@...> wrote:
> >
> > Group, has anyone recently re-bedded  any of these items ?
> >  Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
> >
> > If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
> >
> > What is the deck material  like under the tracks ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails?  Where was the material
obtained ?
> >
> > Thanks, Gary
> >
> > Sunflower Hull # 27
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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> 1b. Re: Rebeading teak hand rails, inner jib track, Chain plates
>     Posted by: "David Searle" dsearle@... n31panache
>     Date: Sat May 23, 2009 4:41 am ((PDT))
>
> Hi y'all!
>
> So, I have pretty much completed the re-bedding of my windows,
> handrails and winches.  And we've had two rains, plus I've powerwashed
> the decks.
>
> The butyl tape is easy to work with, worked wonders (if anyone wants
> to try it, email me, I learned a number of cools tricks that made life
> easy), and has much to recommend it.  I have used about 70 linier feet
> of it (for a total of less than $25) so far.  Almost all of the leaks
> are sealed tight.  A couple need some more work, but the touch-up is
> easy: loosen the bolts, jam some more in and tighten up.
>
> I still have leaks.  One is from the teak eyebrow, which I plan to
> remove and rebed with butyl this summer, and I suspect the hatches
> leak as well.
>
> But it's progress!
>
> Cheers, David
>
> --
>
>            _/)
> ~~~~~~~~~
> David Searle
>
> SNRO, RMCC, PJ
> Niagara 31 #84, Panache
>
> Cell:  (613) 878-7480
> Home:  (613) 798-7480
>
>
>
>
> On 20-May-09, at 6:17 AM, David Searle wrote:
>
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > Some time ago I rebedded the windows, teak handrail and inside genny
> > track on Panache with 4200.  Leaked a bit before I started, leaked
> > like a sieve afterwards.  Operator error, no doubt.
> >
> > I have just rebedded the whole lot (and winches as well) with butyl
> > tape  No leaks so far in the light rain we've had, but I plan to
> > take a pressure washer to the deck today, so I'll let you know how
> > it works...
> >
> > Cheers, David
> >
> > --
> >
> >           _/)
> > ~~~~~~~~~
> > David Searle
> >
> > SNRO, RMCC, PJ
> > Niagara 31 #84, Panache
> >
> > Cell:  (613) 878-7480
> > Home:  (613) 798-7480
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19-May-09, at 1:56 PM, Gary L. Irving wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Group, has anyone recently re-bedded any of these items ?
> >> Teak hand rails , inner jib track, Chain plates
> >>
> >> If so, please advise type of bedding and degree of difficulty..
> >>
> >> What is the deck material like under the tracks ?
> >>
> >> Also, has anyone made or bought new teak handrails? Where was the
> >> material obtained ?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Gary
> >>
> >> Sunflower Hull # 27
> >>
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> >>
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#1099

From: David Searle <dsearle@...>
Date: Sun May 24, 2009 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [Niagara Sail Boat Owners Page] Digest Number 586

n31panache