... My wife is living proof of that. If I describe something I'm thinking about or have done that she is familiar with, and if you ask her immediately...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 1, 2005 11:20 pm
9756
Here's a link I think some will find interesting. I certainly did. It caught my eye because, as we know, program management has been around for a long time. So...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 2, 2005 2:31 am
9757
... Yet another person who has bought into the erroneous idea that PMI is certifying project managers. Duncan _______________________________________________ ...
Bill Duncan
wrd@...
Apr 2, 2005 2:57 am
9758
Straight from the PMI home page ... PMI sets industry standards, conducts research and provides education, certification and professional exchange...
Glen B Alleman
glen.alleman@...
Apr 2, 2005 5:11 am
9759
... Bill, I'm not so sure. I'm pretty sure it's not a statement about PMI at all. I think, rather, that he's making a statement about that general assumption...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 2, 2005 5:14 am
9760
unscribe please _______________________________________________ Newgrange mailing list Newgrange@... http://mylist.net/listinfo/newgrange...
MarilynNas@...
Apr 2, 2005 12:38 pm
9761
... My bad. PMI does not certify individuals as project managers. Note that nowhere above does PMI ever use the term "project manager." Duncan ...
Bill Duncan
wrd@...
Apr 2, 2005 12:39 pm
9762
Duncan, If a person takes a certifiaction test from the PMI and obtains a Project Management Perofessinal certification, I seirouse doubt there is anyone on...
Glen B. Alleman
glen.alleman@...
Apr 2, 2005 5:47 pm
9763
Glen Alleman Said: If a person takes a certifiaction test from the PMI and obtains a Project Management Perofessinal certification, I seirouse doubt there is...
Brian Kennemer
brian@...
Apr 2, 2005 6:09 pm
9764
... Are you asserting that anyone who obtains their PMP is a qualified project manager? If so, you should probably check with Hugh Woodward and Debbie O'Bray,...
Bill Duncan
wrd@...
Apr 2, 2005 6:26 pm
9765
Ken, As one with a "west coast harvard" MBA this issue is not only overblown it is cynical to think the problems come from holding a degree - "MBA's have...
Glen B. Alleman
glen.alleman@...
Apr 2, 2005 7:01 pm
9766
Duncan, I'm asserting that PMI positions the PMP as a qualification for being a project management. I personally think that is false. But to conjecture that...
Glen B. Alleman
glen.alleman@...
Apr 2, 2005 7:12 pm
9767
... But Bill, who amongst the hiring classes will understand - and appreciate - such a subtle distinction? Honestly? ...ken... ...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 2, 2005 7:24 pm
9768
... No argument here. ...ken... ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 2, 2005 7:27 pm
9769
Ken, I figured not. The idea that somehow ones eduaction and the methods taught in school are at the heart of business problems is a big stretch - there are...
Glen B. Alleman
glen.alleman@...
Apr 2, 2005 7:50 pm
9770
... In a free market, you get what you deserve. Just as there are better applicants, there are better hirers, and they simply know which are the better ...
Vincent Alcalde
ajighk@...
Apr 2, 2005 8:18 pm
9771
... People in other professions understand what their certifications are and aren't. Duncan _______________________________________________ Newgrange mailing...
Bill Duncan
wrd@...
Apr 2, 2005 9:51 pm
9772
... I presume that you meant to type "manager" at the end. If so, then I agree to some extent. I believe that PMI *allows* the PMP to be so positioned. PMI...
Bill Duncan
wrd@...
Apr 2, 2005 9:51 pm
9773
... This is a lovely concept, but the fact remains that many hiring managers in the USA (particularly in IT and telecom) are requiring a PMP without knowing...
Bill Duncan
wrd@...
Apr 2, 2005 10:08 pm
9774
... I agree, Vincent. It's too bad there aren't more "better" hirers out there. And less obfuscation by the "certifiers" and the certified. ...ken... ...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 2, 2005 10:26 pm
9775
... But, as with IT, project management is not a profession. There may be lots of practitioners who operate in a very professional manner. But it's not a ...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 2, 2005 10:33 pm
9776
But, as with IT, project management is not a profession. There may be lots of practitioners who operate in a very professional manner. But it's not a ...
Brian Kennemer
brian@...
Apr 2, 2005 10:51 pm
9777
Brain, Worst in what way? Glen B. Alleman www.niwotridge.com http://herdingcats.typepad.com/my_weblog/ http://herdingcatsanddogs.blogspot.com/ ... ...
Brain, [BK] That is Brian but I will accept the compliment. :-) Worst in what way? [BK] I had to explain the following concepts to him: Critical Path. What it...
Brian Kennemer
brian@...
Apr 3, 2005 12:59 am
9780
... Check out real professions like Engineering. For each of the well-defined engineering disciplines there is one well-defined path to certification as a...
Ken Ganshirt
ken_ganshirt@...
Apr 3, 2005 4:30 am
9781
For what it's worth, there's a paper by Karen Hooten titled "An Engineer By Any Other Name" that talks about what it takes to be considered a profession. Let...
Steve Tockey
Steve.Tockey@...
Apr 3, 2005 6:59 am
9782
Following up on Steve Tockey's comments re the professional and college training, I would be grateful for the reference to Karen Hooten's article. I am based...
Paul Wiley
paul.wiley@...
Apr 3, 2005 9:22 am
9783
I have to admit that I am always amazed the issues of PMI certification generates such heated exchange, and while I am willing to assume that exchange...
Victor Rosenberg
Vrosenberg@...
Apr 3, 2005 2:29 pm
9784
The main purpose of all certification systems is for the "ins" to keep the "outs" out! That is why I have been against the PMI certification process from the...
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