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1720 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 2, 2007
1:01 am
I am seeking some help here on the subject of the development of the concept of procession and return. I thought I had found an article that from some other...
1721 Russ Kinter
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Sep 2, 2007
6:12 am
Hi Dennis, ... I found a reference to a German scholar Werner Beierwaltes and his work “Proklos: Grundzuge seiner Metaphysik” on the procession subject on...
1722 Jan Opsomer
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Sep 2, 2007
8:56 am
... This is in fact an entire book on Plotinus, and a very good one. It discusses Alcinous and Numenius on procession. The notion of epistrophe has middle...
1723 Jan Opsomer
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Sep 2, 2007
9:01 am
I forgot to mention another contribution to the issue: Ratzinger, Josef [yes, the same one!], Emanation, in: Reallexikon für Antike und Christentum, 4, 1959,...
1724 Giannis Stamatellos
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Sep 2, 2007
12:29 pm
Dear Dennis, You could also see: Pépin, J., “Theories of procession in Plotinus and the Gnostics”, in Neoplatonism and Gnosticism, 297-335. Bussanich, J....
1725 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 2, 2007
10:51 pm
Thanks, all, for the references. I am especially curious about the Alcinous and I have Whittaker's edition fortunately as well as the Pepin article. I would...
1726 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 3, 2007
12:41 am
... Well, the Alcinous passage is quite striking indeed, employing in fact the verb "epistrephein": in reference to the "protos theos"; he writes "kata gar ten...
1727 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 3, 2007
2:10 am
From amazon.de: Der Kommentar des Proklos zu Hesiods Werken und Tagen (Broschiert) von Patrizia Marzillo Über das Produkt Zum ersten Mal werden die Fragmente...
1728 Jan Opsomer
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Sep 3, 2007
8:43 am
... I agree. There are some striking passages that point in the same direction in Plutarch too (listed by Whittaker). The interpretation of chapter 10 of the...
1729 Giannis Stamatellos
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Sep 3, 2007
3:41 pm
Dennis, In IV.8.1.11-17 Plotinus refers directly to Heraclitus' fr. 60 (hodon te ano kai kato eipon). The subject-matter is Heraclitus' psyche with reference...
1730 Ron Criss
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Sep 3, 2007
4:14 pm
... für ... Joseph Ratzinger is an expert on St Augustine of Hippo, who was influenced by Neoplatonism in his conversion from Manichaeanism to Catholicism....
1731 Michael Chase
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Sep 3, 2007
4:48 pm
... M.C. So it has been claimed, notably by Paul Henry, but I doubt it : Plotinus wrote in Greek, and by the time of Augustine, even most intellectuals (like...
1732 Ron Criss
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Sep 3, 2007
8:09 pm
... Reallexikon ... to ... teachings of ... There ... the ... familiar ... Marius ... Mike, They read in translation. Many, such as St Ambrose could read...
1733 Michael Chase
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Sep 3, 2007
8:45 pm
... M.C. That's precisely the point. It's not at all clear that Plotinus - as opposed to summaries of Plotinian doctrine written, for instance, by Porphyry -...
1734 Ron Criss
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Sep 3, 2007
11:37 pm
... <jan.opsomer@> ... was ... Manichaeanism ... into ... most ... Greekless. ... before ... Plotinus - ... instance, by ... of ... (cf. ... that ... ...
1735 Ron Criss
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Sep 4, 2007
2:09 am
Michael, You wrote: "M.C. That's precisely the point. It's not at all clear that Plotinus - as opposed to summaries of Plotinian doctrine written, for...
1736 Ron Criss
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Sep 4, 2007
4:44 pm
According to John M. Rist Augustine referred to Plotinus as "Plato born again" in his work "Against the Skeptics" (3.18.41). Does anyone have a fuller quote on...
1737 Michael Chase
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Sep 4, 2007
5:14 pm
... M.C. When dealing with a historical question, there can clearly be little or no *positive* evidence to determine a *negative* fact. Let's say I maintain...
1738 Cristian Ducu
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Sep 4, 2007
5:31 pm
Dear Ron, Here is the original fragment you are looking for: 18. 41. Deinde in nostrum Tullium conflictio ista duravit, iam plane saucia et ultimo spiritu...
1739 David Butorac
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Sep 4, 2007
6:04 pm
The most recent and in my opinion best account of the status of platonism in contemporary scholarship in Augustine is, R. Crouse, "Paucis Mutatis Verbis: St....
1740 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 4, 2007
8:59 pm
... Plotinus ... instance, ... Let's ... teenager ... it ... *is* ... it ... my ... translated ? We ... the ... why do ... Latin ... from ... conspicuous ... ...
1741 curt
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Sep 4, 2007
9:01 pm
I just now finally read R.E. Allen's translation of the Euthyphro. It is the first dialog in the first volume of his translations - they now run to five...
1742 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 4, 2007
9:50 pm
I will confess I didn't do my homework properly before I raised this issue. A quick look at the index of Prof Dillon's <The Middle Platonists> results in two...
1743 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 4, 2007
10:35 pm
... Augustine would have gotten most of his ideas here about the New Academy from Cicero, correct? The comment about Plotinus is so general that it doesn't...
1744 Ron Criss
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Sep 4, 2007
10:52 pm
... Plotinus ... instance, ... Let's ... teenager ... it ... *is* ... it ... my ... translated ? We ... the ... why do ... Latin ... from ... conspicuous ... ...
1745 vaeringjar Offline Send Email Sep 4, 2007
11:13 pm
... Greek and ... century, ... Enneads, ... seems ... alleged ... my ... Plotinus by ... by ... In my readings of the later Neoplatonists, such as I have...
1746 Michael Chase
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Sep 4, 2007
11:45 pm
... M.C. Interesting; my old Lyons edition (1651) gives Platonis. Theiler, despite his thesis that Aug. never read Plotinus, nevertheless agrees with the...
1747 Ron Criss
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Sep 5, 2007
2:20 am
David, Thanks for that reference. One can read a few pages at the amazon.com website. The first thing Crouse points out is that Nebridius of Carthage was...
1748 Ron Criss
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Sep 5, 2007
2:26 am
... Ficino? ... be ... provide ... (i) ... whether ... Latin" - ... question ... be ... read ... more ... In ... had ... paraphrases ... certain ... in ... <De...
1749 Ron Criss
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Sep 5, 2007
2:30 am
... had ... Academy ... Dennis, My understanding is that Porphyry was still a vocal and active opponent of Christianity. The issue was indeed still current....
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