Ramstin, I think the illusion lies in thinking our "consciousness" (conscious awareness) has control. Consciousness itself, while nebulous is none the less...
... If it was shown that ... Stephen: I don't believe paying restitution is necessarily revenge or retribution. Deterrence and restitution, while not something...
... ramstin@... ... formed ... view with no ... I think it is and pretty clear at that. ... right, as if ... Yes ... I guess that is where I differ as we have...
"Or, I'm wrong and you'll eagerly participate in a much more productive discussion: how to prevent murder and rape using naturalistic principles." My response...
Your world scares me ramstine. It sounds almost identical to Nazi Germany. I would fight to the death to prevent such a world from coming about and many...
In my last post I tried to reconcile the notion that we have proximate control, with NFW. Upon rethinking the situation, it seems that not only do we not have ...
Steve, Based upon my post of yesterday, Ramstin commented, "It would seem conscious awareness is just an illusion." Frankly, it seems to me he was just...
Well I guess I am not altruistic enough but I would like to see more about this comment since this is more what I was trying to get at in a eariler post. "Upon...
Well let me address this point "What point is there in living within a mechanical society?" We do not have FW so we have a mechanical existence therefore it...
Fred: I think having proximate control simply means that you can sometimes do what you want. Put more deterministically, sometimes what we must do is also what...
... sometimes do what you ... what we want to do. Ken, You didn't say how it is that naturalism improves control. (Uh-oh, I guess I should go back and read...
From Tom's CFN site: "By understanding ourselves as fully caused, and by seeing just how we are caused (by our genetic endowment, upbringing, and social ...
Fred: I don't mind the word "control", I think it's useful. For example, people have control when driving a car. This simply means that they successful at...
In a message dated 01/11/2006 18:43:48 GMT Standard Time, ken@... writes: Restitution can also be a productive determinant. It seems healthy to want ...
Hey All- Just wanted to see if anyone caught a glimpse of the newest South Park Episode (Go, God, Go!) which spoofs science, evolution, atheism & Richard...
I have to find out when this will replay... Steve bryaneffin <bryaneffin@...> wrote: Hey All- Just wanted to see if anyone caught a glimpse of the newest...
Stephen: You're right, we agree on all the essentials and probably almost all os the details! . The point you make about the effect believing in nfw has on us...
An Article for those interested: (written by Nicholas Wade, appearing in NY times on 10/31/06) "Who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong? Yet...
... example, people have control ... keeping the car on the road. ... are no causes for what we ... will dogma, we're able ... Ken, Yes, people demonstrate...
Fred: I didn't mean to sound impatient, it's just that I'm anxious to get CFN going, and I'm mainly focussed on that, and to the extent these discussions...
Fred: On second thought, you may be more correct than I was giving you credit for (not the first time!) The concept of proximate control may be useful, but it...
Ken, Excellent post, that helps a lot! "We want certain things, and we believe those things are more easily obtainable when our worldview more closely matches...
Ramstin's rather bizarre opinions has stirred up some really good writings here. Many thanks to all. Incidentally the toy you refer to is called Newton's...
Steve, Thanks, on both points. :) I just ordered 3 Newton's Cradles from this store: http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3081503 Fred ... he ... ...
Pareidolia, the seeing of what isn't there, is shown in theists use of anthropomorphism in seeing a mind behind nature but that begs the question and is...
Le mot de Dieu n'a aucun sens.C,est la tautologie ,Dieu veut ce qu'il veut. Selon Keith Parsons:"Les pouvoirs occults par un etre transcendant dans un moyen...
?Que son argumentos que emplean contra el teismos? Hallo que teistos hacen fallacies logicas .?Por que llegaron a ser naturalistas ,no teistas? ?Que significa...
