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Re: [multimachine] Re: Lathe tools from leaf spring steel

Hello Gus
 Thank's for the good information,I will keep it mind when
I have to grind the blanks.
 Maybe I just need to build a table on the grinder , it has cheap little
 things on it .They do not do a good job for grinding tools.
 
 I am working on a wood turning lathe, for turning  bowls.
 The lathe does not have any ways on it. With no ways there
is no place to put a tool rest . The problem is to make an arm sturdy
 enought to hold the tool rest.
 I think I have under control.
 
Keith

Deep Run Portage
Back Shop
" The Lizard Works"

--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Gus Rodriguez <gusrod1948@...> wrote:

From: Gus Rodriguez <gusrod1948@...>
Subject: Re: [multimachine] Re: Lathe tools from leaf spring steel
To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:30 AM

Thanks Eric,
 
I didn't fill in the blanks about a water drip on the lapidary wheels 'cause I didn't figure on him getting an actual lapidary wheel. Mine has a water drip and catch tray. That was actually a pretty good deal for me. I got it from a lady whose late husband had used it and she gave it to me along with a small kiln and the controller for it ... just for being nice to her! LOL.
 
All the other stuff is just embellishments or asides on what I originally wrote although it's good info so I'm not knocking it, but I'm not familiar with ceramic aluminum oxide. That's something new for me. I'll have to look into that.
 
Yeah, I WISH there was a machine shop or school from which I could get surplus HSS tool bits ... but not around here. Whatever there might be has long since been plundered by other resourceful machinists. LOL. The only school that had a machine shop course closed the course down about 10 years ago and the one other possible place has been gutted, after the owner closed the shop a number of years back.
 
Thanks for the added info.
 
... Gus
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: [multimachine] Re: Lathe tools from leaf spring steel

My comments are buried in the reply text.
Look there for them :-)

--- In multimachine@ yahoogroups. com, "Gus Rodriguez" <gusrod1948@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> I use a lapidary wheel (a jeweler's wheel) made of a very fine grade of carborundum (silicon carbide) to grind my carbide bits but it takes a lot of work to grind them to shape. It also takes a lot of quenching, unless I leave them mounted on the tool holder, 'cause they get too hot to hold very quickly.

That's a darn fine idea for grinding carbide bits!
On the plus side, almost every single lapidary wheel is DESIGNED for wet grinding. A water bottle, some rubber tubing, and hotglue/epoxy, will net you a very nice, slow drip watering system.
Not only will the drip do some quenching, but the wet stone will run cooler also (limiting heat buildup in the bit).
All the lapidary machines I have ever cut stone on have plumbing for water/coolant. just an fyi.

> Most of my turning is done with HSS 10% cobalt bits and I just use coarse and medium grade silicon carbide wheels to grind those ('cause that's all I have), but I've been told that you could grind them with regular aluminum oxide wheels too. The real advantage to 10% cobalt is that it makes the HSS able to withstand higher temperatures, so you can take deeper cuts without overheating and destroying your tool bits. I think I paid $3 each, also from Enco, but I think they were on sale at the time. Not sure what the regular price is. Last time I bought a bunch of them so they would last me a while and so far, they've lasted a lot longer than regular HSS. I think I'de bought a dozen.
>

If you happen to know a school or machine shop local, I've often gotten entire stocks of old HSS bits that way. Once a shop switches over to carbide inserts... the HSS blanks just sit on a shelf. The M42 cobalt steel bits I have, I sharpen with a diamond wheel. Sure, It was expensive for the person who bought it(replacments are around $70 us) but, since it came attached to the $15 motor, I'll just keep using it. :-)

> I use a quick change tool post from CDCO and 3/8" tools are the largest I can use on my lathe. I can't use 1/2 inch because I can't center them properly.
>

Is that the #29461 Quick change tool post?
If so, and you don't mind doing the job, the tool holders are thick enough to allow you to shave off 1/8th" from the bottom of the bit rest.A hacksaw, and file will accomplish the task in about 5 min.
If you do HEAVY cutting... you could also make your own holder. they are actually quite simple, as you know. You can angle the bit slot down, to get the clearance you need for proper centering while retaining enough 'meat' in the tool holder to eliminate flex. It would involve re-grinding the larger bits to a new geometry, but once the extra work was done, it would only need normal sharpening.

> On thinking about leaf springs some more, I don't think I would ever try it. Although they are made of high carbon steel, it's not the same as HSS and I don't think they would work very well for turning steel. I think they would be great for woodworking though - or soft metals, if someone wanted to take the time to cut off and grind the tools. I regularly cut up to 5/8" plate steel with an abrasive cutoff wheel mounted on a radial saw or a chop saw and even use the chop saw to cutoff up to 4" diameter bar stock, but it's LOUD and makes a LOT of sparks! LOL. I'm sure that would work well on a leaf spring.
>

Yep, that was my point earlier :-)
To be fair, you can also cut leaf spring with a good quality cold chisel. To be fair though, If I'm forced to use leaf spring for a tool... I'll usually use a 4" cutoff wheel in the dremel.

> Today is payday for me (pension check from Dept of Veteran's Affairs) and I thought I would have a "wild hog" day, going hog wild on a shopping spree at the local tools stores, but the wife just called from work to tell me her car overheated and now she has a $3000 car repair bill to contend with (damn!). I hope you have better luck than I do!
>

Ouch! For that price, I could buy 2-3 more whole Geo metros! Or one REALLY NICE one(red convertible and 5-speed. gotta love 40+mpg when gas climbs over $3)

> I recommend getting a silicon carbide wheel to grind the tool bits. If you can't grind them with what you're using now, that should do the trick.
>
> ... Gus

Ceramic aluminum oxide wheels are what you're after I think. It's hard, strong, and specifically designed for "grinding of tough steels and alloys". Silicon carbide will work, but will wear quite a bit faster, and clog more readily. I hate dressing wheels more often than I have to :-(
Straight aluminum oxide wheels SHOULD work on MOST tool steels.. but those cobalt bits are a bit of a pain :-(




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I found an old leaf spring I can cut up to make tools for use with my lathe according to the book in the files section, but it does not go into detail on this....
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As a rule, most tools for small lathes are in the 3/8" or 1/2" range, although the small lathes use even smaller tools. A typical profile would be for a tool...
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You can't heat without altering the temper and you can't straighten without heat. Lots of grinding time and cool water are your friends! Use a coarse wheel...
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Maybe this tasks will generate a small heat treat oven project. Bruce ... From: Dennis Thornton To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009...
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I have a "making and shaping of tools" blacksmithing book...deals with that exact subject(I'll see if I can find it for you). In general, keep your hands close...
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... Spring steel should work fine for cutting steel and cast iron....
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Not an expert by any means but how about having a good size charcole fire all around and over your spring steel In a safe place away from burnable material and...
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Hello Gus A leaf sping seem to me like you would have a grinding to do to get  a turning tool out of it.  A leaf spring is abot 5/16- 3/8 in thick and about...
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Hi Keith, I use a lapidary wheel (a jeweler's wheel) made of a very fine grade of carborundum (silicon carbide) to grind my carbide bits but it takes a lot of...
Gus Rodriguez
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My comments are buried in the reply text. Look there for them :-) ... That's a darn fine idea for grinding carbide bits! On the plus side, almost every single...
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Thanks Eric, I didn't fill in the blanks about a water drip on the lapidary wheels 'cause I didn't figure on him getting an actual lapidary wheel. Mine has a...
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Hello Gus  Thank's for the good information,I will keep it mind when I have to grind the blanks.  Maybe I just need to build a table on the grinder , it has...
keith gutshall
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Old files work good too. Dick...
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I can vouch for that. I wanted to make some big newell posts out of pine for my staircase and, never having done any woodturning before, had no woodturning...
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