MC wrote:

Marting Lings, published by Foundation for Traditional Studies, 1983, you
will find your answer. I would quote................from page
117..............."The prophet had never ceased to be known as al-Amin, and
>there were still many disbelievers who would trust him with their property
>as they would trust no one else."............................



My response:


The truth is: Muhammad used to move with a lash and people used to fear him
a lot. Here is a Hadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud:




People used to fear Muhammad; they used to call him ”The flog.”…2.21.3308

Maimunah daughter of Kardam said: I went out with my father for Hajj
performed by the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). I saw the Apostle
of Allah (may be peace be upon him and the people say: Apostle of Allah (may
be peace be upon him). I fixed my eyes upon him. My father came near him
while he was riding on his she-camel. He had a flog like the flog of
scribes. I heard the bedouins and the people say: The flog, the flog. My
father came near him and held his foot. She said: He made a confession of
him (i.e. his Prophethood) and stood and listened to him. He said: Apostle
of Allah, I have taken a vow that if a male child is born to me, I shall
slaughter a number of sheep at the end of Buwanah in the dale of a hill. The
narrator said: I do not know (for certain), but that she said: Fifty
(aheep). The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Does it contain
any idol? He said: :No. thereafter he said: Fulfill your vow that you have
taken for Allah. He then gathered them (i.e. the sheep) and began to
slaughter them. A sheep ran away from them. He searched for it saying: O
Allah, fulfill my vow on my behalf. So he succeeded (in finding it) and
slaughtered it. (Sunaan Abu Dawud, vol. ii, Hadis number 3308; translated by
Prof. Ahmad Hasan and published by Kitab Bhavan, New Dalhi)



Nowhere in the Qur’an it is mentioned that Muhammad was known as Al-Amin. I
am yet to find a Sahi Hadith that says that people of Mecca used to call
Muhammad ‘Al-Amin.’

Who is more authentic---Imam Abu Dawud (and his Hadith)? or Martin Lings,
the western convert and an apologist of Islam?


AK



>From: "M RS"
>Reply-To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] RE: This is for MC
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:13:28 +0600
>
>Dear MC,
>
>I am really happy that you did not forget my mail. I thought you have
>ignored that stuff!
>
>
>Also thank you very much for your honest attempt to answer my question. I
>completely understand what you have written. I trust you and am agree with
>you. I will try to read that book if I get that opportunity in the future.
>
>
>But, Sir, do you think that you have answered my question to the point?
>After reading your reply I can remember a saying which one of my best
>teachers used to utter almost in every lecture "nie ashte bollam tel r nie
>ailee bel (I told you to bring oil but you brought bel (a fruit)!)".
>
>
>Hope you understand what I mean by the above saying. I am asking my
>question
>again here. Hope this time you won't make any mistake either intentionally
>or unintentionally.
>
>
>My question: Please mention at least few points to justify why YOU are not
>better than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a human. Please briefly explain
>every
>point.
>
>
>Thanks and regards
>MRS
>
>
>
> >From: "Mohammad Choudhury" Reply-To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [mukto-mona] RE: This is for MC
> >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:58:27 -0400
> >
> >WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/18167
> >
> >Dear M RS:
> >
> >If you read the Book "Muhammad....his life based on the earliest sources"
> >by
> >Marting Lings, published by Foundation for Traditional Studies, 1983, you
> >will find your answer. I would quote................from page
> >117..............."The prophet had never ceased to be known as al-Amin,
>and
> >there were still many disbelievers who would trust him with their
>property
> >as they would trust no one else."............................Show me any
> >person from the time immemorial until now who would be trusted as such
>and
> >as much as Muhammad, SAS, was trusted even by the non-believers, who even
> >tried to kill him?
> >
> >Mohammad S Choudhury
> >
> >
>
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