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Re: Does the Soul Exist? An Analysis

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It doesn't make a minimum sense that someone can prove the existence of Allah, soul, etc. using mathematical concepts and logic.  How is it possible that one can use matrix theories to prove the existence of Allah, soul etc.?  I'm curious to read the theories/concepts of matrix used in proving the religious beliefs on creator or on soul. 
 
In mathematics, anything said or written must be proved.  The mathematicians many times use valid assumptions to prove difficult problems.  Some of the assumptions are made even before proving a certain fact.  If the assumption contradicts then the opposite concept (contradictory to the assumption) is proved and accepted.  This is called proof by contradiction.  Basically, there are three ways to prove anything in mathematics.  One I just mentioned (proof by contradiction).  The others are: derivation and induction. 
A mathematician's mind is a very logical mind. In higher level mathematical proofs, arguments after arguments are written to establish a concept.  Many mathematicians tried to prove the concept of Almighty Creator of their (and our) times.  In particular, Bertrand Russell gave argument after argument in his writings to show that the characteristics of God contradicts with the description/definition of God himself.  Assuming that God exists, one will try to describe/define him.  He is merciful but he wants to punish in everlasting hellfire if one disobeys him.  He even creates the person who can disobey him.  Not only he is the creator of wicked people but also he is the creator of Satan.  How could a noble entity (Allah) create Satan?  Didn't he knew that Satan would bring anarchy and chaos in the world?  Of course, he knew it.  Doesn't this contradict?
 
According to Einstein, it doesn't make sense that the Creator wants to judge his own creation.  If there is any wrong outcome in his creation then it should be the Creator's fault. How can he judge his creation?  By judging his creation, is he not going to judge himself?  So, there exists contradictions in the existing concept of the Creator and the assumption that there exists a God can be invalidated by "proof through contradiction." Again I would like to mention that "proof through contradiction" is a powerful method widely used in mathematics.
 
Shabbir Ahmed
 


Abul Kasem@... wrote:
Mr. Ahsan Mahmood wrote:


"Can you prove that you are Abul Kasem from your matrix?"


AK's response:

This is a silly question. Of course, I cannot prove my identity with matrix
algebra. In the first place, I never claimed that matrix algebra has
anything to do with my name/existence.



Similarly, those 'soul', 'Alla'h...etc have nothing to do with matrix,
mathematics.....

But those who insist that matrix algebra proves the existence of soul/Allah,
let them show it through an example. If they cannot, then they should be
gracious enough to admit their irrationality/error.


Abul Kasem





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