Re: [mukto-mona] Attn : Shabnam Nadiya - From Dr. Ajoy Roy
>From: "Ajoy Kumer Roy" <
kumer_ajoyroy@...>
>Subject: [mukto-mona] Attn : Shabnam Nadiya - From Dr. Ajoy Roy
>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:53:16
Dear Mr. Roy:
Thank you for a nice essay on atheism. As you have yourself acknowledged, I
paraphrase here: “Like many other phenomenon in this universe, the existence
of god cannot be proved nor disapproved”. In my opinion, this statement
must be qualified with reference to our collective knowledge base as human
beings, at the current time. Who knows what future holds, and what
scientific breakthroughs will occur in the future to unfold the mysteries,
which we call "undefined" or "undetermined".
Homo-sapien era is only tens of thousand years old, compared to the life
span of this universe, which goes back many billion years. Therefore, this
universe and our planet earth were inhabited either by species of animals
(intelligent or sterile), or aliens or neither. Our limited knowledge
preclude us from determining whether other sources of lives existed or still
exist in other domains of this universe. We do not know what levels of
intelligence exist among the animal species that cohabit this earth. We do
not know if animals, insects etc. feel the same need to attribute their
existence to the mysteries of that "supernatural power", or some other
entity. Apparently, it may appear that animals, insects, and plants are not
burdened with the concept of god, which is obviously a human created
phenomenon. Would it be too much of a stretch to state that this vast
domain of unknown has been easily solved by the creation of this concept of
"supreme power"?
Given the fact that the believers of god tend to attribute all natural
occurrence as divine act, such as the rising of the sun, or the tide in a
river, or a hurricane, life, death, marriage, anything else in one or the
other way is attributed to an act of god. It is not difficult to see why
our early human ancestors would have had the urge to accept all naturally
occurring phenomenons as the act of a super natural power. With our current
knowledge, we do know much more. We know how stars and planets are formed;
we see the creation of new stars billions of light years ago through the
Hubble telescope. We have unlocked the mysteries of the building blocks of
life through genetic research. We are in the verge of creating “life” in
our laboratories; we are creating new species of fruits and vegetables. We
have eradicated deadly diseases like small pox and are in the verge of
conquering the deadly disease of cancer; HIV infected people are being given
new lease of life. Very soon we will be cloning humans and will acquire
the knowledge and proficiency in creating “super” human beings and animals.
Mind boggling progress indeed! If we look closely, all these
achievements have occurred in only the last 200 years of our existence. We
can hardly keep pace with the new findings from around the world, every
single day! Given all this, what I fail to understand is why people today
still are steadfast in their belief of god, or some super natural power.
The landing of human beings on the moon not only contributed in a large way
in demystifying the concept of extra planetary voyages, but in a strange
manner it also broadened our human capacity to accept that entities other
than “god” are able to break such barriers, which was previously associated
with “godly” powers alone. Many Muslims even today do not believe that
human beings ever could land on the moon, the object of such reverence, per
Islamic teachings. (I am not even referring to the fact that somewhere Mr.
Mohammed claimed that he fragmented the moon into two, and somehow re-joined
it!). If this is not plain stupidity, I do not know what else would
subscribe to this collective ignorance? Now, in all fairness I must
emphasize that it is not only Islam, but also all religions do have many
similar stupid connotations, which will fail the test, based on our current
knowledge base and rational analysis of cause-effect relationship.
This brings me to my favorite subject – religion. One good thing about it
is all religions are “historic” in nature. Believers are somehow not ready
to change with time, which is in a way a blessing for the free thinkers.
Every single passing day will continue to increase our knowledge regarding
the mysteries and the unknown phenomenon and raise our level of
consciousness. People who would not accept or resist the new knowledge will
be weeded out through the Darwinian principle of “survival of the fittest”,
because we know that knowledge empowers individuals. Gradually, we will see
that such people will command and control the world who do not subscribe to
the phony ideas of “the father, the son, and the holy ghost”, or those who
subscribe to the concept of a “pony with wings” which transported Mr.
Mohammed to the “heavens” to consort with Allah. Therefore, the believers
of religion will have to do one of the following to survive:
1)Denounce religion, or
2)Modify and modernize it to keep pace with time
Either way will lead to a better world.
With warm regards,
Bishnu Dey
I found this paragraph rather interesting, and I have added my comments on
the matter, below.
“God (Islamic or not Islamic) is such an entity whose existence cannot be
proved from the material frame of reference. Agnosticism is precisely the
same principle: it is a doctrine of an agnostic- distinguished from atheism.
Theologically speaking, the doctrine that god is unknown and unknowable. In
philosophy, the doctrine that a first cause and the essential nature of
things are unknowable to us the material human beings. G.J. Romanes has put
it in a nice way "By agnosticism, I understand a theory of things which
abstains from either affirming or denouncing the existence of god; all it
undertakes to affirm is that, upon existing evidence, the being of god is
unknowable." So as a Physicist I am an agnostic. The entity, which cannot be
proved from a material frame, does not exist to me - it is a meaning less
entity, an unnecessary concept even in philosophical or theological sense-
as is ether a useless concept in physics. If now I declare myself an
atheist, my atheism springs out from the principle of agnosticism, a
principle based on physics; it is not just a faith or belief in the
religious sense”.
I have only one trouble with your concept of being an “Agnostic atheist”,
which seems to me a somewhat opportunistic approach, which allows one from
totally disavowing the existence” of god by defining him/her/it as an
“unknown” or “undetermined” entity. This would perhaps leave the doors
slightly open, in case the day of reckoning appears. Basically, this
approach does not completely burn the bridge, which Nadiya and Javacrucian
and others had the courage to do. By the way, I am pitifully closer to your
position, a 70% atheist and 30% agnostic or some variation of that mix, if
this makes any sense to you. Hahahaha.
Regards,
Bishnu Dey
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