You are right. That is the number I came up with. It just doesn't seem that big.
I am pricing some used sales with the same basic configuration. Mine has a tear
in it and a lot of fraying end.
If your LP is 16.4, you don't have a 100, you have a 150. 16.4 LP
divided by the 11 J dimension on the M28 gives you 1.49 - that's a 150
genoa, and unless you're going with a drifter, you probably do not want a
biger foresail on an M28.
Found the formula on http://dan.pfeiffer.net/boat/ratios.htm#sailsize.
It took Excel to work it out but here's the details.
LP=leech*sin(2*acos(sqrt(P2*(P2-foot)/luff*leech)))
where: P2 = 1/2 perimeter = 1/2 * (luff + leech + foot)
The LP for my Morgan 28 is 16.40299825.
Thanks everyone.
--- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, Merlin Clark <merlinuxo@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
> This might help: http://www.sailritesails.com/ShowAd.aspx?id=4446&sourceid=4
> They also show specs for the OI. I don't know if there was more than one rig
offered by Morgan in that (or any other) era, so you might verify these specs by
measuring/ omparing the luff on your main.
> I've always understood that a 100% jib filled the entire fore triangle
(forestay to mast) and that anything over was identified by that percentage
over the fore triangle; 135 Genoa was 35% over the fore triangle.
> Merlin
>
> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Peter <pjsailor@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Peter <pjsailor@...>
> Subject: [morganowners] Figuring LP
> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 2:40 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> So I am signing up to get my PHRF. I have my IJPE numbers and I know my sail
dimensions. It seems from that information I should be able to derive my LP.
Based on visual observation, I think I have a 100% jib but is there a
calculation I can use to tell for sure?
>
They also show specs for the OI. I don't know if there was more than one rig offered by Morgan in that (or any other) era, so you might verify these specs by measuring/ omparing the luff on your main.
I've always understood that a 100% jib filled the entire fore triangle (forestay to mast) and that anything over was identified by that percentage over the fore triangle; 135 Genoa was 35% over the fore triangle.
Merlin
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Peter <pjsailor@...> wrote:
From: Peter <pjsailor@...> Subject: [morganowners] Figuring LP To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 2:40 AM
So I am signing up to get my PHRF. I have my IJPE numbers and I know my sail dimensions. It seems from that information I should be able to derive my LP. Based on visual observation, I think I have a 100% jib but is there a calculation I can use to tell for sure?
If you have the dimensions (luff, foot, and leach) of your sail, the
easiest is to draw it to scale and figure out the LP - draw the luff on
the long vertical side of graph paper, and then scale everything off it -
the LP is just the measurement from the luff, perpendicular to the luff,
to the clew.
To get it exactly, lay the sail on the ground on a nice flat thing.
Measure from the tack to the clew. Say that's 14'. Now
measure that same distance from the clew back to the luff, up towards the
head. Mark the point where 14' intersects the luff with a piece of
tape. Now measure from that piece of tape to the tack. Let's
say that's 25'. Divide that in half. Measure 12'
6" from the tack up the luff towards the piece of tape. That's
the midpoint, What you've created is an isoceles triangle whose
foot is the luff. This triangle is 25' on the foot, and 14' on each
of the other sides. A line from the midpoint of the foot (and this
is where your 12' 6" piece of tape is) to the top (which is the
clew) will be perpendicular to the foot of the triangle, which in this
case is the luff of your sail. That measurement, from the midpoint
tape marker, to the clew, is the LP, as measured.
It can also be calculated by solving two simultaneous equations in two
variables, but I don't feel like figuring out the solution at the
moment... been a while since I've done that stuff.
At 08:43 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote:
So I am signing up to get my PHRF. I have my IJPE numbers and I know
my
sail dimensions. It seems from that information I should be able to
derive my LP. Based on visual observation, I think I have a 100% jib
but
is there a calculation I can use to tell for sure? And when I purchase
a
new headsail I'll want a larger sail, is there a way to determine
what
the leech and foot will need to be for my Morgan28?
So I am signing up to get my PHRF. I have my IJPE numbers and I know my
sail dimensions. It seems from that information I should be able to
derive my LP. Based on visual observation, I think I have a 100% jib but
is there a calculation I can use to tell for sure? And when I purchase a
new headsail I'll want a larger sail, is there a way to determine what
the leech and foot will need to be for my Morgan28?
Could you forward the instructions from John J too. Thanks, GrassHopper
From: "jregar@..." <jregar@...> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 8:25:26 AM Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
Thanks Fred, got a previous Email from John J which gives detailed instructions. Should be able to do this now!!
If anyone can come up with a model number, manufacture, or replacement unit, please let me know.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Fred Keith <fredkeith@verizon. net> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03 am Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture

I believe it is a Teleflex and there are no manuals, like us, to old. As I remember the black knob unscrews and then there is a set screw to release the grip the housing has and then I believe that unscrews and then the part goes inward.
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
Rich,
I haven't attempted to dismantle the control, yet!! I'll try to get into the control from the outside first, then we will see what happens? I was waiting for someone to I.D. the thing, so I could find a manual. I appreciate your input.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta. ws> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
I sure hope someone with the same model speaks up!
From the look of the unit, I would bet money that there's a substantial plate on the inside holding the control cables. I wonder how they got it in there and got the control cables attached to it.
Generally, it's worth getting imaginative in trying to find hidden access ports. I've seen them in some strange places. I've also seen access holes a foot or two off to one side, where a person is supposed to stick an arm in and hold a wrench (and spend the next two weeks getting rid of the splinters).
Unfortunately, if you can't find access, even hidden access behind upholstery on the inside, it's a lot harder to take a guess without putting hands on the unit.
Here's a few wild guesses:
Does the throttle handle unscrew or pull out and, if it doesn't now, did it originally? If so, is there a fastener at the bottom of the hole? Or, if so, does it free up the piece to unscrew?
Is there a set screw on the underside of the piece?
Does the pull handle for neutral unscrew? Is there a set screw on its shaft? Are there wrench flats on its shaft? What is exposed when the pull handle is out?
I wonder about the two flats on the side of the unit but, without actually having it in my hands I'm at a loss.
In the worst case scenario, could you cut in from the propane locker and make a gas-tight cover that can plug the hole? After all, some boats require cutting to remove an engine or a fuel tank. The problem with this is that, if the thing does install from the front you'd be wasting your time.
That's all I can squeeze out of my brain and I suspect you have tried all of these things by now. I wish I could be of more help.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta. ws> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message----- From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo. com> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Capt. Jack
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I bought a new throttle control on ebay. I am no expert and haven,t installed it yet. I found that I needed a control that allows for one to control throttle, and one that controls
shifting between forward, neutral and reverse. My M33 has access to the mounting bolts from the engine room which is accessed by the aft seat on the port side. I am in the process of saving the money to have S/V Bad Habit II hauled out for restoration. I am interested to know how you work this out.
Joseph <<O>><
From: "jregar@..." jregar@... To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 7:56:44 AM Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
Rich,
I haven't attempted to dismantle the control, yet!! I'll try to get into the control from the outside first, then we will see what happens? I was waiting for someone to I.D. the thing, so I could find a manual. I appreciate your input.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta. ws> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
I sure hope someone with the same model speaks up!
From the look of the unit, I would bet money that there's a substantial plate on the inside holding the control cables.. I wonder how they got it in there and got the control cables attached to it.
Generally, it's worth getting imaginative in trying to find hidden access ports. I've seen them in some strange places. I've also seen access holes a foot or two off to one side, where a person is supposed to stick an arm in and hold a wrench (and spend the next two weeks getting rid of the splinters).
Unfortunately, if you can't find access, even hidden access behind upholstery on the inside, it's a lot harder to take a guess without putting hands on the unit.
Here's a few wild guesses:
Does the throttle handle unscrew or pull out and, if it doesn't now, did it originally? If so, is there a fastener at the bottom of the hole? Or, if so, does it free up the piece to unscrew?
Is there a set screw on the underside of the piece?
Does the pull handle for neutral unscrew? Is there a set screw on its shaft? Are there wrench flats on its shaft? What is exposed when the pull handle is out?
I wonder about the two flats on the side of the unit but, without actually having it in my hands I'm at a loss.
In the worst case scenario, could you cut in from the propane locker and make a gas-tight cover that can plug the hole? After all, some boats require cutting to remove an engine or a fuel tank. The problem with this is that, if the thing does install from the front you'd be wasting your time.
That's all I can squeeze out of my brain and I suspect you have tried all of these things by now. I wish I could be of more help.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta. ws> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message----- From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo. com> To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Got a good deal on EBay on my MR 040 F (free shipping). Have pictures of installation on my Morgan 416?
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: BILL ADAMS <bjadams_44@...>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:51 am
Subject: RE: [morganowners] Engel freezer/fridge
Thanks for the great reviews on the Engel Freezer. I'm going to add the new model MR40 (which is said to be a marine model with more plastic) to my M-30.
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
From: capn@ncsail.org
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:01:24 -0200
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engel freezer/fridge
In our experience it depended on how often we opened it. If it remains closed it will use *very* little power. We have 60 watts worth of solar panels and a KISS windmill, and it was plenty to keep the fridge running and battery topped off.
John Noble wrote:
Anyone know how much power in amp hrs./day, a medium sized Engle uses as a refrigerator mode in 90 degree weather? How about as a freezer?
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Thanks for the great reviews on the Engel Freezer. I'm going to add the new model MR40 (which is said to be a marine model with more plastic) to my M-30.
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com From: capn@... Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:01:24 -0200 Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engel freezer/fridge
In our experience it depended on how often
we opened it. If it remains closed it will use *very* little power. We
have 60 watts worth of solar panels and a KISS windmill, and it was
plenty to keep the fridge running and battery topped off.
John Noble wrote:
Anyone know how much power in amp hrs./day, a medium sized Engle
uses as a refrigerator mode in 90 degree weather? How about as a
freezer?
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Thanks Fred, got a previous Email from John J which gives detailed instructions. Should be able to do this now!!
If anyone can come up with a model number, manufacture, or replacement unit, please let me know.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Keith <fredkeith@...>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03 am
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture

I believe it is a Teleflex and there are no manuals, like us, to old. As I remember the black knob unscrews and then there is a set screw to release the grip the housing has and then I believe that unscrews and then the part goes inward.
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
Rich,
I haven't attempted to dismantle the control, yet!! I'll try to get into the control from the outside first, then we will see what happens? I was waiting for someone to I.D. the thing, so I could find a manual. I appreciate your input.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
I sure hope someone with the same model speaks up!
From the look of the unit, I would bet money that there's a substantial plate on the inside holding the control cables. I wonder how they got it in there and got the control cables attached to it.
Generally, it's worth getting imaginative in trying to find hidden access ports. I've seen them in some strange places. I've also seen access holes a foot or two off to one side, where a person is supposed to stick an arm in and hold a wrench (and spend the next two weeks getting rid of the splinters).
Unfortunately, if you can't find access, even hidden access behind upholstery on the inside, it's a lot harder to take a guess without putting hands on the unit.
Here's a few wild guesses:
Does the throttle handle unscrew or pull out and, if it doesn't now, did it originally? If so, is there a fastener at the bottom of the hole? Or, if so, does it free up the piece to unscrew?
Is there a set screw on the underside of the piece?
Does the pull handle for neutral unscrew? Is there a set screw on its shaft? Are there wrench flats on its shaft? What is exposed when the pull handle is out?
I wonder about the two flats on the side of the unit but, without actually having it in my hands I'm at a loss.
In the worst case scenario, could you cut in from the propane locker and make a gas-tight cover that can plug the hole? After all, some boats require cutting to remove an engine or a fuel tank. The problem with this is that, if the thing does install from the front you'd be wasting your time.
That's all I can squeeze out of my brain and I suspect you have tried all of these things by now. I wish I could be of more help.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message-----
From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am
Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Capt. Jack
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I believe it is a Teleflex and there are no manuals, like us, to old. As I remember the black knob unscrews and then there is a set screw to release the grip the housing has and then I believe that unscrews and then the part goes inward.
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
Rich,
I haven't attempted to dismantle the control, yet!! I'll try to get into the control from the outside first, then we will see what happens? I was waiting for someone to I.D. the thing, so I could find a manual. I appreciate your input.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
I sure hope someone with the same model speaks up!
From the look of the unit, I would bet money that there's a substantial plate on the inside holding the control cables. I wonder how they got it in there and got the control cables attached to it.
Generally, it's worth getting imaginative in trying to find hidden access ports. I've seen them in some strange places. I've also seen access holes a foot or two off to one side, where a person is supposed to stick an arm in and hold a wrench (and spend the next two weeks getting rid of the splinters).
Unfortunately, if you can't find access, even hidden access behind upholstery on the inside, it's a lot harder to take a guess without putting hands on the unit.
Here's a few wild guesses:
Does the throttle handle unscrew or pull out and, if it doesn't now, did it originally? If so, is there a fastener at the bottom of the hole? Or, if so, does it free up the piece to unscrew?
Is there a set screw on the underside of the piece?
Does the pull handle for neutral unscrew? Is there a set screw on its shaft? Are there wrench flats on its shaft? What is exposed when the pull handle is out?
I wonder about the two flats on the side of the unit but, without actually having it in my hands I'm at a loss.
In the worst case scenario, could you cut in from the propane locker and make a gas-tight cover that can plug the hole? After all, some boats require cutting to remove an engine or a fuel tank. The problem with this is that, if the thing does install from the front you'd be wasting your time.
That's all I can squeeze out of my brain and I suspect you have tried all of these things by now. I wish I could be of more help.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message----- From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Capt. Jack
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I haven't attempted to dismantle the control, yet!! I'll try to get into the control from the outside first, then we will see what happens? I was waiting for someone to I.D. the thing, so I could find a manual. I appreciate your input.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Shapiro <rich@...>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
I sure hope someone with the same model speaks up!
From the look of the unit, I would bet money that there's a substantial plate on the inside holding the control cables. I wonder how they got it in there and got the control cables attached to it.
Generally, it's worth getting imaginative in trying to find hidden access ports. I've seen them in some strange places. I've also seen access holes a foot or two off to one side, where a person is supposed to stick an arm in and hold a wrench (and spend the next two weeks getting rid of the splinters).
Unfortunately, if you can't find access, even hidden access behind upholstery on the inside, it's a lot harder to take a guess without putting hands on the unit.
Here's a few wild guesses:
Does the throttle handle unscrew or pull out and, if it doesn't now, did it originally? If so, is there a fastener at the bottom of the hole? Or, if so, does it free up the piece to unscrew?
Is there a set screw on the underside of the piece?
Does the pull handle for neutral unscrew? Is there a set screw on its shaft? Are there wrench flats on its shaft? What is exposed when the pull handle is out?
I wonder about the two flats on the side of the unit but, without actually having it in my hands I'm at a loss.
In the worst case scenario, could you cut in from the propane locker and make a gas-tight cover that can plug the hole? After all, some boats require cutting to remove an engine or a fuel tank. The problem with this is that, if the thing does install from the front you'd be wasting your time.
That's all I can squeeze out of my brain and I suspect you have tried all of these things by now. I wish I could be of more help.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message-----
From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am
Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Well, so HOW do you dismantle it from the outside, eh?
At any rate, this suggests another possibility to find information - go
to sailnet, where there is a discussion board for Bayfields (for all I
know there's one on Yahoo also). Post the picture and question and
say that you were told that this may have been a engine control used on a
Bayfield 29.
_- l
At 07:49 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote:
I may be speaking
out of turn but what you have looks a lot like one I had on a Bayfield
29. I looks like it is a unilever control It is engaged by either
push/pull the black knob and the as you push forward it engages the
tranny and accelerates at the same time. If so as I remember the
whole mechanism is dismantled from the outside and then the guts and
cables can be pulled through the opening..
Fred Keith
I may be speaking out of turn but what you have looks a lot like one I had on a Bayfield 29. I looks like it is a unilever control It is engaged by either push/pull the black knob and the as you push forward it engages the tranny and accelerates at the same time. If so as I remember the whole mechanism is dismantled from the outside and then the guts and cables can be pulled through the opening..
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
Rich,
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message----- From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Capt. Jack
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I sure hope someone with the same model speaks up!
From the look of the unit, I would bet money that there's a substantial plate on the inside holding the control cables. I wonder how they got it in there and got the control cables attached to it.
Generally, it's worth getting imaginative in trying to find hidden access ports. I've seen them in some strange places. I've also seen access holes a foot or two off to one side, where a person is supposed to stick an arm in and hold a wrench (and spend the next two weeks getting rid of the splinters).
Unfortunately, if you can't find access, even hidden access behind upholstery on the inside, it's a lot harder to take a guess without putting hands on the unit.
Here's a few wild guesses:
Does the throttle handle unscrew or pull out and, if it doesn't now, did it originally? If so, is there a fastener at the bottom of the hole? Or, if so, does it free up the piece to unscrew?
Is there a set screw on the underside of the piece?
Does the pull handle for neutral unscrew? Is there a set screw on its shaft? Are there wrench flats on its shaft? What is exposed when the pull handle is out?
I wonder about the two flats on the side of the unit but, without actually having it in my hands I'm at a loss.
In the worst case scenario, could you cut in from the propane locker and make a gas-tight cover that can plug the hole? After all, some boats require cutting to remove an engine or a fuel tank. The problem with this is that, if the thing does install from the front you'd be wasting your time.
That's all I can squeeze out of my brain and I suspect you have tried all of these things by now. I wish I could be of more help.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Shapiro <rich@invicta.ws> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message----- From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
At 04:46 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote:
> Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds
> the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled
> from the outside.
Well, I don't see any cables on the outside. They have to go
somewhere. How did the cables get attached to the control? Track
the cables backwards from the engine. Unless they installed the
control, and then assembled the deck and liner with the cables
dangling out, and then put the deck and liner over the hull, it would
seem there must be some sort of access.
I have the same engine control layout as Rich did - it's a
two-lever Morse system installed on the vertical surface between the
cockpit sole and the starboard cockpit seat. The control is blind on
the surface. The whole control and cable connections are between the
cockpit part of the deck, and the quarter-berth overhead part of the
deck liner. There's about a 4 inch gap between the two, and the
control is in between.
The way the control is attached is this: There's a bronze "top-hat"
shaped bushing - the large end (the brim) is in the cockpit, and the
hat sticks into the gap. On the inside is about a 12" long steel
bracket that has a fitting at one end to hold the shift and throttle
cables. At the other end is a hole big enough for the top hat to go
through. Four 1/4" bolts (originally studs) connect the top hat to
the bracket. The levers go through the top hat - the shifter goes
through first, and it is hollow inside, and the throttle goes through
the shifter.
On the inside, there are two lever arms that go around the
through-parts of the levers - one for the shifter, one for the
throttle. They fit over splines, and have a split hole with a
clamping bolt to lock them to the through-parts of the levers. These
two arms are what hold the levers to the side of the cockpit. To
remove the levers, you disconnect the pins that hold the forks on the
cables to the inner arms. Then you loosen the clamp bolts and pull
the inner arms off the through-shafts. At that point, you can push
the levers through from the inside out into the cockpit (or pull them
out from that side). With the levers removed, you have access to
both sides of the "top hat" bushing, and can remove all the rest of
the hardware.
Problem there, is I have no access to remove any "nut" that holds the control from behind, everything would have to be disassembled from the outside.
Capt. Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Shapiro <rich@...>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engine control w/picture
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message-----
From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am
Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
The old throttle I had on Selkie would come apart if I removed a fastening from the inside of the bulkhead where the cables attach. That would be a good place to start.
-----Original Message----- From: regarjack <regarjack@yahoo.com> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
-----Original Message-----
From: regarjack <regarjack@...>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:48 am
Subject: [morganowners] Engine control
Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Any help (manufacture, manual or how to tear it apart) would be appreciated.
Also try Masthead in St. Petersburg, www.mastheadsailinggear.com. Tell him
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Thank you all for the info...I have been out of town working and unable to reply until now . I hope to be able to check them out and possibly find what I am looking for..I find it very nice to have such a great resource as this group. Much gratitude....Charles
--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Karl Burton <kburton@...> wrote:
From: Karl Burton <kburton@...> Subject: Re: [morganowners] Used Main To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 8:40 PM
Here's some more places I found a while back when looking for a used genoa. I haven't revalidated all these links, but they were good enough that I bookmarked them. I have done business (happily) with Bacon, but not with any of the following:
Sorry for the late reply. Did you try http://baconsails. biz/? I bought a nice sail from them last year and their prices are very good.
--- On Sat, 1/23/10, charles p <ncprovence@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: charles p <ncprovence@yahoo. com>
Subject: [morganowners] Used Main
To: morganowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 10:21 AM
I am looking for a good used Main for my 68 Morgan 24 "Zeegull". If anyone has one or knows of a good site to look for one please email me. Looking forward to spring. Thanks CP
Here's some more places I found a while back when looking for a used
genoa. I haven't revalidated all these links, but they were good
enough that I bookmarked them. I have done business (happily) with
Bacon, but not with any of the following:
Sorry for the late reply. Did you try
http://baconsails.biz/? I bought a nice sail from them last year and
their prices are very good.
--- On Sat, 1/23/10, charles p <ncprovence@...>
wrote:
From: charles p <ncprovence@...>
Subject: [morganowners] Used Main
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 10:21 AM
I am looking for a good used Main for my 68 Morgan 24
"Zeegull". If anyone has one or knows of a good site to look
for one please email me. Looking forward to spring. Thanks CP
In our experience it depended on how often
we opened it. If it remains closed it will use *very* little power. We
have 60 watts worth of solar panels and a KISS windmill, and it was
plenty to keep the fridge running and battery topped off.
John Noble wrote:
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Anyone know how much power in amp hrs./day, a medium sized Engle
uses as a refrigerator mode in 90 degree weather?  How about as a
freezer?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Noble <jwnoble384@...>
To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [morganowners] Engel freezer/fridge
Anyone know how much power in amp hrs./day, a medium sized Engle uses as a refrigerator mode in 90 degree weather? How about as a freezer?
Sorry for the late reply. Did you try http://baconsails.biz/? I bought a nice sail from them last year and their prices are very good.
--- On Sat, 1/23/10, charles p <ncprovence@...> wrote:
From: charles p <ncprovence@...> Subject: [morganowners] Used Main To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 10:21 AM
I am looking for a good used Main for my 68 Morgan 24 "Zeegull". If anyone has one or knows of a good site to look for one please email me. Looking forward to spring. Thanks CP
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