Typical LibberToons


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From: typical libbertoons  (smaf-toonians@...)

Get over yourself!
Haven't you realized you're the only person who thinks you have
any sort of intelligence.

-- Goofhead & Wuss

         ===============================================


    I haven't heard from these fools for over a year.

    I sort of wonder what brought this on.  Probably these
SMAF-'Toonians read something critical on one of my many WWW pages
as being critical of them.  And so it was, although it didn't
mention them by name, only by type.

    I can see by the e-mail address above that these people are
living exactly the same way they did in Springfield, Missouri.
The location may change, but they never do.  Where they be --
there be an outpost of sanctimonious white trash.

    For example, the wife is still seeking a degree to teach in
publik skrules.  Having no mind at all, they wish to get a job
destroying the minds of innocent others in the public sector.
They have no child of their own, not that it would matter if they
did.  Publik skrules are good enough if they offer employment.
Yet they are LibberToons, concerned with smaller gubbnmint.
And if that cannot be realized through a contraction of the
public sector, it certainly can be fervently wished for while
inhaling hallogenic clouds of blue smoke.

    Nor do these LibberToons have a privately owned Internet
Service Provider.  You see, when I knew them several years
ago, they couldn't get a telephone in because they hadn't paid
a $600+ telephone bill.  They liked to make long-distance
phone calls while stoned on their weed, but buying some more weed
always came first before paying their justly contracted debts.

    One's first impression when meeting both of them is that
they both are self-indulgent brain-dead dopers.  All they talk
about in poly-ticks is the necessity to legalize smokin'-dope.
So much for the Decline of the West or the rise of the underclass
in which they had staked out squatter's rights long ago.  They'd
vote for Pol Pot in a second upon upon name recognition alone,
looking forward to the day when they could smoke a bale of marijuana
for the price they now pay for an ounce.  But they still wouldn't
pay their phone bill with the extra money.  The pocket change saved
could be more purposefully spent in smoking as many bales as they
used to spend smoking ounces.  After all, first things first.

    They wanted to join up with a militia unit down in Springfield
Missouri several years ago.  While they were amicable enough, as
long as they felt the aftereffects of the last stash, still it was
obvious enough to all that they were dopers.  Thus it became
obvious that there were drawbacks to being an "open, public,
citizens' militia."  After all, these people seemed to have no
firm sort of character of their own, only a dependent sort of
mellowness.  What would happen when they got busted by the police?
After all, if it was obvious to us that these people were potheads,
then signing up such witless herd-animals in the police food-chain
could be a serious breach of operational security.  We might as well
invite the cops along for a training exercise with our "dangerous
assault weaponry."  Just as these LibberToons have their addictions
which do not bear police scrutiny, creative gunsmithing is the curse
of the militia classes.  In the interests of all concerned we
certainly didn't need to "Feed the Bears."  Most militiamen don't
have the monomaniacal interests in but one herb that these people
had.

     Secondly, people who won't pay their phone bill and who
don't have a car because of their consuming interests don't have
money to buy a good military-style rifle and 200 rounds of
ammunition.  Even a good, used Chink-Army-issue SKS cost $80
then and no telling how many ounces of good smokin'-dope that
amount represented.


    So these Freedom Fighters, these killer-attack 'Toons, these
Defenders of Liberty never took to the field with us militiamen, not
even during the season that the wild sinsemilla was in full bud.

    Serves 'em right for telling us that they didn't believe in
violence.


    So now they are in Warrensburg, at another kollidge, learning
. . . . something or another.  And still without a phone or a
car or a gun.  All their money in bongs. (I said bongs, not bonds.)
Still looking like frumpy lower-lower-lower-middle-class losers.
Still talking about legalizing smokin'-dope as the end&be-all
of enlightened self-government.  And probably still attracting
the interest of the police.

    Oh well, having no interest in gainful employment and lacking
intelligence enough to be publik skrule teechers, perhaps they
can stick, like the shoemaker to their last -- and primary --
sole means of support in an information age -- as informants.


--Martin Lindstedt, Resistance Political Front
Missouri Libertarian Candidate for u.S. Senator
http://www.mo-net.com/~mlindste


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At 01:05 AM 05/10/2000 -0400, Dean Chambers wrote:

>> These names are just too hillarious not to comment...reading the
>bizarre and demented attempts at political analysis by one
>Richard Illyes makes me think the term "LibberToon" was perhaps
>coined especially for Mr. Illyes, because he's the epitome of
>>Looney Toons.


Mark Miller <markmiller77@...>, a Missery LibberToon allowed on
this mo_reform_party@egroups listserver then remarked:

>Why don't you tell him that to his face?


Dean Chambers then replied:

>I have -- in e-mail form anyway. I have posted direct responses to him on
>LPUS letting him know that his efforts at political analysis are bizarre,
>demented, and on a couple occasions I have suggested that Mr. Illyes be
>sure to take his medication before making any further attempts at political
>analysis.
>
>Dean


     I don't know if Dean has ever met Richard Illyes.  I've had that
misfortune.  I used to refer to Illyes as belonging to the "Pud-Puller"
faction after they named what the "Bill Johnson Faction" was back in
1995 was labelled the "Shooter" faction.  When the Pud-Pullers ran off Bill
Johnson, the most successful Libertarian Candidate yet in Missouri,
(He ran against Ashcroft for U.S. Senate in 1994, raised and spent
$80,000, and got over 80,000 votes, i.e. close to 5% in the general
election) back to Alabama (where he is now a Repub BoobDolt clone and
on the Birmingham City Council) I became the "Head Shooter."  Over the
years, my name for this particular Toon feeb has gone from "The Windbag
of Oooz" to his new actual e-mail name -- MicroDick.  MicroDick has a
small software company which he has just enough wit to not run into
the ground.

    MicroDick is running for governor against some guy named Swenson.
This Swenson is a nice old guy who the DemoPublicans conned into
thinking was a Libertarian.  Chances are that Swenson is just an
old-fashioned Republican, but they can't be too sure that that "Awful
Martin Lindstedt" isn't pulling his strings, as a commentary on the
MoLP listserver put it.  In short, Swenson is getting into a 2000-2500
vote primary 500-600 votes behind the hard-line LibberToons who will
vote, Stalinist-style for MicroDick and Swenson being a nice guy will
have none of the advantages of understanding LibberToonism and
LibberToons.  I think Swenson will get less than one-third of the
vote because there is no right-wing to the Missery LibberToon Party.
All that is left is  bunch of aging yuppie whigger trash who for all
intents and purposes are merely rancid Social Democrats.  I call them,
sometimes the LSD Party, both for their apparrent hallucogen of choice,
but also because LSD = LibberToonian Social Democrat.

     MicroDick is a pro-abortion hardliner.  Never mind the fact that
MicroDick can still boink his secretary and afford the abortion, why
no, every abortion must be a safe and wanted abortion, whether females
like it or not.  Having gotten a divorce a long time ago and not
remarried, MicroDick probably gotta cadge a freebie from the long-
suffering secretarial help if he can afford to buy some Viagra on
the open market.

     In addition to being a doctrinnaire knee-jerk Libbertoon feeb,
MicroDick is none too honest.  MicroDick is a diehard HairyBrown
supporter.  Yep, MicroDick is bound & determined to add a 3d "S"
to the LibberToonian ASS Platform of Abortion, Sodomy, & Smokin'-dope
to make it Abortion, Simony, Sodomy, & Smokin'-dope.  MicroDick thinks
that being pro-ASSS is a real wiener reflecting the "True
LibberToonian Political Philosophy" -- and for once MicroDick is
right.  A feeb, but a LibberToonian feeb.

     Having expressed his tolerance for those who will lie, cheat and
steal, (HairyBrown and the LibberToon Establishment) MicroDick engages
in the same sort of political conduct.  At the January 1997 state
committee called for the sole purpose of drafting up a bill of attainder
to be used to expel me from the Missery LibberToon Party, MicroDick took
it upon himself to vote in favor of the new amendment to the MoLP Bylies,
even though the particular area of St. Louis was already represented
by two fat Toon feebs known as the Schapers.  So I had three votes for
the Bill of Attainder against me from a state senatorial district which
was supposed to only have two suburban St. Louis LibberToon whiggers
out to expel the elected state committeeman from the extreme Southwestern
Missouri section of Newton, Jasper, and McDonald Counties. (Neosho
Missouri was the Southern Capital of Missouri, McDonald County is
another Hazzard County next door to the world headquarters of Tyson
Foods, Walmart, and JB Hunt, and together with Jasper County vote as a
block 70-75% reactionary Republican.)  MicroDick engaged in vote fraud,
although it was not the only instance of the not documented vote in
which gliberal suburban LibberToons voted to do away with the remaining
rural White Christian opposition.  The vote was supposedly 21-7,
although there were only 30 people present and at least four of them
were ineligible to vote, like MicroDick.

     In short, Missery LibberToon practice corresponds exactly to Federal
LibberToon practice, which is why MicroDick is such a partisan of
HairyBrown.

     One would think that MicroDick, supposedly running a software company,
would have a WWW page to catch every single drop of jism from his onanistic
writing style.  One would be wrong.  MicroDick prefers to campaign like
his idol HairyBrown.  MicroDick has server space aplenty reserved for the
past four or five months he has been promising/threatening to use it to
construct a WWW page.  The problem is that MicroDick has probably gotten
a glimmer into his half-growed possum-sized brain that it might not be
safe to venture out into the Information Super-Highway wherein ex-big-rig
truckdrivers are just waiting for his breakout attempt to eat carrion
alongside the road to use at least nine tires on him.  (BTW, I am a
truck-driver by trade.) And, to be honest, MicroDick's marsupial glint
of animal cunning might well be the only thing that saves him from
scrutiny and ridicule.  And MicroDick, having tried to make himself a
public figure by running for grubbernor of the State of Missery, is
fair game for ridicule and satire by myself as an opposing politician.
I've paid my $200 sedition and satire license fee when I filed for the
office of u.S. Senaturd back on March 28, 2000.  Republican incumbent
John Ashcroft is my main target, but I know where all the LibberToon
skeletons and dirty laundry are buried., and MicroDick is both comic
relief and a target of opportunity.

    You see, I strongly suspect that "MarkMiller77@..." is none
other than Andy Shirkey, house-husband to "Aunty Baby Hughie Emerson,"
which explains why 'MarkMiller' has spent so much bandwidth whining
about me spying on the Missery LibberToon Listserver and what a
homophobe I am.  You see, we haven't liked each other much since the
May 1996 Missery State Convention.  I knew Baby Hughie was a homo
working as an education bureaucrat for the University of Columbia
system.  (MoLP Chair Jim Givens is also a bureaucrat working for
the University of Missouri Columbia system as well, which goes to
show how much LibberToons really want less government, taxes, and
government workers because Givens has been re-elected four times
since 1995 after the Bill Johnson supporter departures.)   Baby
Hughie belongs to some New Covenant Cornholer jewdeo-khazarianity
church which caters to 'married' homosexuals in Sodom-on-the-Missouri,
er, Columbia, Missouri area.

    Well, after getting my name tag from Baby Hughie at the 1996 MoLP,
I asked this guy with a beard who he was.  "I'm Andy Shirkey and I
live with Hugh."  Have you ever gotten lip from a stuck-up c--t
of some local big-wig?  Well, Andy Shirkey (the suspected MarkMiller
on this listserver) was quite smirkey at that moment.  I was ever-so-
tempted to ask, "OK then, so which one of you is the bitch? Or do you swap
off?"  I bit back that response and went into the convention room for
the political battle I knew I was going to lose that day.  At the time
I was a bit proud of my forbearance.  I am wishing today that I'd said
it.

    In any case, Andy/MarkMiller is an idiot savant.  The character thinks
he knows how to run a listserver.  Last month, Andy put on the MoLP
listserver an old picture of me from my WWW page morphing into Adolf Hitler
and how I was crying about how "Nobody likes me."  I laughed my head off
at that high praise, then I saved the gif and the listserver entry.  This
way I can say anything as satire against LibberToons that I want and they
automatically lose any lawsuit they file on the grounds that I was only
responding in kind.

    All of which goes to show that LiberToons, as self-serving feebs,
as Solipsistic Mattoid Anarchy-Fascists, cannot understand normal regular
everyday people living outside themselves, ever.  Just like the
Khazar 'jew' Communists and Khazar 'jew' Capitalists, they cannot
understand anything other than their materialistic dialectics of
Mammon-worship.  Normal White people have a spark of humanity which they
try no matter what to keep alive because a civilized social order is
impossible to attain and maintain without it.  But these dreadful
LibberToons cannot understand anything which doesn't involve their
material well being.  They have nothing more than the cannibalistic
instincts common to rats or chickens caged up together without food
for a day or so.

    Why should any normal person vote for a LibberToon in the first
place when all the LibberToon is for is unrestrained license for
LibberToons to homosexually seduce their children or have a free market
in dangerous drugs to sell to their children?  Any and every social
order is set up for the protection of a homogenous group, tribe, clan,
nation.  What do LibberToons have to offer except their self-serving
me-first selfishness?

    The reason I am hated and feared by Missery LibberToons is that
I flung their dirty laundry in their face and demanded that they practice
what they preached first before daring to tell the citizenry that they
must do away with government.  How dare the Missery LibberToon Party
tell the voters that they are for less taxes and less government when
they have re-elected time and again an education bureaucrat, and have
running for Lt. Governor this year an admitted cheat who gets 100%
disability from the Army for something he admitted was not service
connected!  How dare they run for Congress a feeb getting for himself
and his common-law wife a $300 per month "crazy check" for serving as
the resident nut-case on a mental health board!  I gave an extemporaneous
campaign speech in 1996 which I titled "You People Just Can't Help
Yourself" in which I demanded "How dare you ask the common people to
do something which you yourself cannot and will not do!" My little
rant did not go over too well with the LibberToons.  I have a videotape
of that session in which I gave my speech, and the sight of LibberToons
voting to do away with the rights of Libertarians who did not attend
on the grounds that "real Libertarians" who lived a mile away and who
attended the Columbia 1996 MoLP Convention were better than Libertarians
who lived 230 or more miles away, like myself, and whose proxies I
had collected for me to represent them at the convention.  There might
be something more vile than a Libbertoon polytickian, but I can't think
of anything at this moment.

     "MarkMiller" is at liberty to tell the Missery LibberToons what
I've said about them, and MicroDick in particular, onto the MoLP public
listserver.  I think I'll put this on one of my WWW pages in fact.
Missery 'Toons have a habit of demanding that I don't whack them upside
their little heads directly and then sneaking onto my WWW page or
various listservers to wheeze about my malicious cruelty on their
public listserver which I've been able to infiltrate since 1996.

           http://www.egroups.com/messages/molp



     I have some measure of respect for honorable men trying to "reform"
the Libertarian Party and Libertarians.  They waste their time because
there simply is no arguing against the inherent LibberToon
nature of cowardly and craven moral degeneracy.  I see on one LP2000
listserver some LibberToon activist insisting that there be no open
primary because it attracts non-LibberToon voters to vote for a
LibberToon candidate.  CAN'T HAVE THAT!  Why the next thing you know,
the local LibberToon Party might end up growing beyond the ability of
local LibberToon Party hacks to determine who gets past the primary
and into the general election.  Nope, don't want a real political
party which might grow beyond the ability of LibberToons to keep up
their sacred-ASSS Platform of Abortion, Simony, Sodomy & Smokin'-dope.
Nope, far better to piss and moan about LibberToon Party irrelevancy
and pass around newspaper clippings about some LibberToon winning a
position as dog-catcher in a non-partisan race in California.

     Face it, LibberToons.  You win elections by getting a majority of
people to vote for you.  You ain't gonna get Clint Eastwood to run
as a LibberToon because he doesn't want to be associated with a
joke party.  You will have to develop a grass-roots political machine
at the precinct level then up.  You will have to show that you are not
a threat to their children.  That means you will have to stifle your
AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power (ACT-UP) and North American Man-Boy
Love Association poster-perverts.  Telling the electorate that you are
going to cultivate an open-air semsemilla plantation and sell buds to
their nippers five-for-a-dollar doesn't cut it either.  You are going to
have to cultivate political candidates who fit in within the local area
and who pass the giggle test.  You are going to have to explain
convincingly that you are not out to dynamite their local public
skrools, and that you have a workable plan to privatize social
security.  You are going to have to dump open sores of LibberToon
hypocrisy such as government workers being elected to LibberToon
internal party positions while at the same time you say you want
to do away with income taxation.  That plus about a dozen other
examples of LibberToonianism which irrevokably mark it in the minds
of the general public with petty criminality and stupid moral
degeneracy.

    (Let me say for the record that the Evil Empire is not 'reformable.'
More to the point, I don't want to 'reform' the multi-national Evil
NWO/ZOG CONstitutional Empire or replace it with Evil Empire Lite.
I want rather a White Nationalist Christian Israelite homeland where
my kind can set up a sovereign theocracy just like the Puritans did.)


     Your past track record says that you 'Libertarians' just don't
have it in you to do so.  You could make Jacob Hornberger or John
Famalarno your fuerher, and neither one of them could ever change
anything beyond their line of sight.  You have a decadent, degenerate
political party which caters to the base instincts of base men and
there simply is no way that you are going to form a golden calf out
of a pile of shit.


Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator


P.S.  Dean, if you want, you can post this wherever you want.  I'm
not because I don't want to be banned from the LP2000 list and
because I just as soon that LibberToons stay stupid.  I don't
think LibberToons can change even if they wanted to. --M.L.



>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mark Miller <markmiller77@...>
>To: <mo_reform_party@egroups.com>; <lp2000@egroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:00 AM
>Subject: [mo_reform_party] Re: Mo Reform Website
>
>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:58 AM
>> > Subject: [LP2000] Re: Mo Reform Website
>> >
>> >
>> > > At 12:15 AM 05/09/2000 -0000,  Dean Chambers
>> wrote:
>>
>> > This might look like a nitpick...I visited the
>> listed site, yes it's a
>> > domain but not one that loads that domain from a
>> legitimate web server, but
>> > the domain is hosted on a server that is merely
>> hosting a domain-pointer
>> > that loads the Geo$hitties site when that domain URL
>> is loaded. Such "free"
>> > sites are not only a censorship risk as Martin
>> noted, but just in general
>> > look very "bush-league" and amateurish and
>> unprofessional. Web hosting
>> > plans, good ones on reliable servers (I personally
>> use Networks Web Hosting
>> > out of New Mexico...www.1webhost.com great service)
>> are 100 MB of web space
>> > for 19.95 per month, less when pre-paid annually.
>>
>> Sorry, but I was mistaken.  The MOLP is paying for
>> their Geocities site so that there is more storage
>> space and no ads.  You should have noticed that there
>> weren't any ads.  Geocities can either be a free
>> hosting with ads or paid with no ads so quit
>> criticizing.  It isn't free!
>>
>> Also, the style of the web page is what makes web
>> pages look amaterish and unprofessional.  It is not
>> where it is hosted, unless there are ads all over the
>> screen.  The MOLP web site is one of the best I have
>> seen and I am a professional.
>>
>>
>> > Agreed. Geo$hitties is a cheesebag operation.
>>
>> Once again, it isn't free.
>>
>> > The LP doesn't need anyone or anything having to do
>> with the Reform Party to
>> > be degraded, it has David Bergland, Perry Willis,
>> and Harry Browne who are
>> > already doing a just fine job of degrading the LP.
>>
>> Again, don't believe everything you read.
>>
>> > >    Secondly, with its insistence on gay 'marriage'
>> having to be recognized
>> > > by the state and enforced upon the rest of us,
>> plus the rest of its ASS
>> > > Platform of "Abortion, Sodomy&Smokin'-dope" I find
>> it unlikely that this
>> > > listserver will degrade the collection of moral
>> degenerates known as the
>> > > Missouri Libertarian Party much, if any, further
>> than its partisans have
>> > > already accomplished very well.
>>
>> This is not an official Libertarian Party position.
>> Haven't you read the platform.  See
>> http://www.lp.org/platform/
>>
>> I don't see gay marriage listed, but Libertarians
>> generally agree that the government should stay out of
>> marriage.
>>
>> > My take on these issues:
>> >
>> > Abortion: Denial of the Right to Human Life by any
>> party that calls itself
>> > Libertarian shows that such party has no solid
>> foundation to base it's
>> > claims of advocating individual rights. Without the
>> Right to Life all other
>> > rights are worthless, meaningless, and have no means
>> of support in a
>> > foundation of protecting, defending, and preserving
>> individual rights.
>>
>> See platform on abortion
>> http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html
>>
>>
>> > Gay 'marriage' This is a complete misnomer. Marriage
>> is the unity of a man
>> > and woman...as in Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
>> Laws for "gay marriage"
>> > are another instance of granting special priveleges
>> to those demanding them,
>> > namely the homosexual lobby. Again, the LP is wrong
>> to sell itself out to
>> > this crowd. As Rush Limbaugh says...defining
>> deviancy down...again.
>>
>> Gay marriage is not a misnomer.  Gays can be married
>> by their church whether or not the government
>> recognizes the marriage as a legal marriage.
>>
>> > Dope...I personally don't like the stuff, I could
>> care less who else uses
>> > it, and I'm opposed to any public laws banning
>> individuals from choosing
>> > their own drugs or medicines of choice providing
>> they don't violate the
>> > rights of others.
>>
>> At least we agree on this issue.
>>
>> > Jesse Ventura was sleepless through his ENTIRE
>> campaign worrying about the
>> > almost stealth candidate the Missouri LP ran. I know
>> someone personally who
>> > used to be involved in the Minn. LP and he told me
>> the candidate they ran
>> > was a JOKE and that most of his friends in the LPMN
>> voted for Jesse.
>>
>> Why was Jesse worried about a Missouri LP candidate?
>>
>> Not all candidates are good just because they run on
>> the LP ticket.  I know Missouri has had our share of
>> Jokes for candidates.
>>
>> Martin Lindstedt said:
>> > >     It is a nice thing to have nothing better to
>> do with an empty head
>> > > other than to turn it into an open-air brothel for
>> the "feelings" by
>> > > which such as LibberToons turn perversion into
>> high moral purpose.
>> > > I dare say that the political position regarding
>> the age of consent
>> > > by the North American Man-Boy Love Association and
>> the Libertarian
>> > > Party is identical.
>> >
>> > I've recently researched this very question, and
>> this is quite an accurate
>> > reflection of Libetarian philosophy as espoused by
>> several factions of the
>> > LP including those who follow L. Neil Smith, Ayn
>> Rand, Murray Rothbard, and
>> > this view is enshrined in the New Covenant published
>> at Smith's
>> > Webleyweb.com site and also the official LP platform
>> at www.lp.org. All of
>> > which advocate the notion that individual rights of
>> adults apply to children
>> > as well, and that age of consent laws violate these
>> rights. This stand is
>> > not only wrong (the Bill of Rights was not framed to
>> repeal age of consent
>> > laws that go all the way back to Common Law) legally
>> and historically, it's
>> > WRONG philosophically, and it is WRONG (clearly so)
>> to those who understand
>> > the purpose and reason children need to have a
>> CHILDHOOD before facing adult
>> > rights and responsibilities. I'm almost done writing
>> a major essay that will
>> > blow the cover off of this...which shows how
>> ethically and morally corrupt
>> > the libertarian position on this matter is.
>>
>> However, this is not a position of the National LP.
>> Check the platform http://www.lp.org/platform/
>>
>> There is no position on children's rights.
>>
>> Just because an author has Libertarian ideas does not
>> mean that their ideas are the official party position.
>>
>> There are authors that are of other political
>> affililiations and this does not mean they are 100%
>> endorsed by their national party.
>>
>>
>> > ..5 % with Harry Browne in 1996 and possibly less
>> votes this year if Browne
>> > is nominated again...the grand promises of 200,000
>> members from Project
>> > Archimedes and that has crashed and burned as
>> national membership has
>> > leveled out...obviously the "joe Six Packs" who are
>> favorable to the
>> > individual rights point of view are NOT joining the
>> LP, and many members are
>> > LEAVING the LP...wonder why...because the party runs
>> off anyone who doesn't
>> > fit into their little factions and preach their
>> dogma religiously. Pathetic.
>>
>> This is a false.  The National LP promotes all
>> candidates in their LP News.  Although there are
>> people on their staff that may be biased toward a
>> candidate that is normal.  I haven't seen it in their
>> publication.  Many think it is perfectly natural for
>> them to help a candidate, especially one that has done
>> much to grow the party.
>>
>> > Another site on this is www.jacobghornberger.com
>> Those who like to deny
>> > reality should be warned that site is loaded with
>> facts, solidly researched
>> > information, and a stinging indictment of the
>> conflicts of interest in the
>> > Bergland-Browne "machine."
>>
>> That site is a laugh.  Who knows what is going on in
>> Jacob Hornberger's mind.  Jacob is great at twisting
>> the facts and sensationalizing information as many
>> political commentators like to do.
>>
>>
>> > These names are just too hillarious not to
>> comment...reading the bizarre and
>> > demented attempts at political analysis by one
>> Richard Illyes makes me think
>> > the term "LibberToon" was perhaps coined especially
>> for Mr. Illyes, because
>> > he's the epitome of Looney Toons.
>>
>> Why don't you tell him that to his face?
>>
>> Martin Lindstedt:
>> > >    Frankly, I don't know what you LibberToons have
>> to bitch about.
>> > > The Clinton Administration has been the best thing
>> which ever happened
>> > > to LibberToons.  Homo-toons can join the military,
>> get preferential
>> Dean Chambers:
>> > Some LPers wanted to run one of them for President,
>> as the LP candidate
>> > until he dropped out of the race to create his own
>> party. I don't see
>> > violating the "don't ask dont' tell" policy and
>> being dismissed from the
>> > military as a qualification to be a party's nominee
>> for president, but some
>> > LPers did.
>>
>> What are you talking about?  Larry Hines ran for the
>> nomination and dropped out on his own free will.  What
>> do you have against homosexuals running for president?
>>  Perhaps, you should take a good look in the mirror?

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At 10:07 AM 05/09/2000 -0500, Steve Trinward wrote:
>How did this "White Christian Nationalist" asshole get on MY
>e-mail lists?

     Hell if I know.  The Internet is like that, as a world-wide
communications network.  I did not send this directly to YOUR
e-mail list as I do not have a section in my e-mail address book
devoted to "Whigger Khazarophile One-Worlder NWO/ZOG LibberToon
cornholer feebs."

>Don't EVER let me see this kind of racist and disgusting crap
>again ...
>
>- Steve T.


     Sorry to disturb you for even a moment with the reality
outside your browsing the www.nam-bla.net page or in the
alt.sex.perversion.anal.rimming.deaddogs newsgroup.

     What say an indignant feeb like yourself look at the e-mail
heading of the offensive message in question and find out where it
came from?  Let's see.  You are NOT a member of the
Mo_Reform_Party@egroups.com or the christianidentity@egroups.com
e-mail listserver.  Let me guess.  You sound like a 'Toon, a SMAF-Toon
in fact.  Let me guess.  You got it from lp2000@egroups.com listserver.

    Perhaps you can unsubscribe from that particular listserver because
it didn't do a good job in censoring out people like me.  Perhaps you
can send the listserver moderator bemoaning the fact that for the first
time ever some Southern Christian Heterosexual White Men are integrating
your particular political bath house and that they are as welcome as
Fred Phelps at a GAIDS-victim's funeral.

     Or perhaps you could figure out that the outside world has no
obligation to respect your particular prejudices, that reality is a
bitch, pull one thumb out of your mouth and the other out of your
ass, and just deal with it.

     That's part of the problem with you LibberToons.  You whine because
the majority of the population won't let you do anything and everything
you want, but at the first sign of criticism and ridicule you demand
censorship to suit your wishes and demands.

     When the Evil Empire you bitch about does collapse under fire from
hard-bitten men like myself, you probably won't live for very much longer.
Between hungry congoids wanting creme-of-whigger soup and small-town
militia leaders manning roadblocks to keep out whigger refugees from
the suburbs, you will probably have a lot more to worry about than
cruising the 'Net for Toon affirmation and virtual bath-house
appreciation.


--Martin Lindstedt
Missouri Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator



>--
>Steve Trinward, Soul Proprietor, trinWORDS
>If your to bussy buliding you're buisness too wory abbout
>"spelling"...  < http://www.trinwords.com >
>
>"A libertarian ... believes that no one has the right, under any
>circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or
>to advocate or delegate its initiation. Those who act
>consistently with this principle are libertarians, whether they
>realize it or not. Those who fail to act consistently with it are
>_not_ libertarians, regardless of what they may claim." - L. Neil
>Smith (who else?), libertarian patriot < http://www.lns2000.org >

     I've tangled with LiarNeil Smith and Claire-the-Jackal Wolfe
before.  LiarNeil Smith probably didn't get more than a few
thousand of you feebs to make him the new First Criminal, now did
he?  Of course Liar Neil is as big a racist as I am, it's just that
LiarNeil thinks that being a khazarophile whigger in a suburban
safehouse far away from the congoid and latrino objects of his
professed admiration makes him safe from open Racial Nationalists
of all colors.

     LiarNeil wanted to "Crank Up the Enola Gay" and nuke
some pore Japs after years of buying Toyotas and Subarus just because
the Japs opined that they think American have too many more guns than
Japs are comfortable with when they visit their multinational
plantations over here.  Imagine that.  LiarNeil wants his finger on the
nuclear trigger to nuke some gooks because LiarNeil equates loss of getting
to wave his little pistol in the air with castration.  Me and the rest
of the Buchananites are a bunch of racists and isolationists because
we want to keep an American manufacturing base. (Toon spinmeistering not
being a valuable foreign market commodity.)  LiarNeil is great LibberToon
Presidential material because he wants to nuke some gooks trying to
fu-manchu (via the Yellow Peril of oriental wiles) away his little pistol.

    Kinda makes you glad that LibberToons are such political feebs,
doesn't it?

    LiarNeil devoted space in his LibberToon Enterprize back in June 1998,
when I was in hot pursuit of Red Mike Vanderboegh and the Tri-States
Militia/Coalition.  I suspected that Red Mike was a nark.  He was. But
LiarNeil was so concerned that I was an open White Christian Nationalist
that he decided to fight with me, and I answered him back.

    See  http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/liarneil.html

>"A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound.
>The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human
>being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to
>act like an asshole" - Frank Zappa, libertarian patriot

     So then what happens?  I'd sure like to put a whigger LibberToon
like you into a crack house and nail shut the doors so you couldn't
get out and then see how long you'd last doing a Blanche Devereaux
"depending on the kindness of crack-congoids."


>"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from
>injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to
>regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and
>shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.
>This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to
>close the circle of our felicity." - Thomas Jefferson,
>libertarian patriot

     Massa Thomas Jefferson.  Didn't he own a whole herd or two of
niggers?  Didn't he say that the White man and the Black man couldn't
live in peace together if the Black man was de-slaved?  Why not quote
the good Tory Dr. Samuel Johnson who asked "Why is it that the loudest
yelps for freedom came from the drivers of negro slaves?"

     Thomas Jefferson was a stone racist and a White Nationalist Patriot.
You don't think that he bought the Louisiana Purchase from Napoleon in
order to let the redskins have it, do you fool?  My ancestors killed
their share of the redskins and took their land and never suffered from
a twinge of guilt for it.  As someone born and bred in South Dakota, I've
never had a problem with it either.

    The White Man was strong when he was a proud White Man.  Being a
cowardly degenerate khazarophile whigger Toon wuss is nothing to be
proud of.

  -M.L.


P.P.S.  Are you really certain you want my full attention centered on
yourself?  If not, then you would be advised to not come back for
seconds.

-M.L.


P.P.P.S.
Re: "asshole"



      Some character walked into the bar the other day and told the
bartender that "All LibberToons are assholes."
     I piped up and said that I resented that remark.
     The guy said, "Why?  Are you a LibberToon?
     "No," I said.  "I'm an asshole."

-M.L.








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> These names are just too hillarious not to
comment...reading the bizarre and
> demented attempts at political analysis by one
Richard Illyes makes me think
> the term "LibberToon" was perhaps coined especially
for Mr. Illyes, because
> he's the epitome of Looney Toons.

Why don't you tell him that to his face?

I have -- in e-mail form anyway. I have posted direct responses to him on
LPUS letting him know that his efforts at political analysis are bizarre,
demented, and on a couple occasions I have suggested that Mr. Illyes be sure
to take his medication before making any further attempts at political
analysis.

Dean

===>> What is Freedom? The McMartin Preschool Case Reconsidered
http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=53782

===>> Harry Browne: The Great Libertarian Con Artist
http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=52856

===>> Best Commentary on the Internet...
http://www.deanchambers.com/whatisfreedom/

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          - Rush Limbaugh

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          - Dream Theater

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Miller <markmiller77@...>
To: <mo_reform_party@egroups.com>; <lp2000@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:00 AM
Subject: [mo_reform_party] Re: Mo Reform Website


> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:58 AM
> > Subject: [LP2000] Re: Mo Reform Website
> >
> >
> > > At 12:15 AM 05/09/2000 -0000,  Dean Chambers
> wrote:
>
> > This might look like a nitpick...I visited the
> listed site, yes it's a
> > domain but not one that loads that domain from a
> legitimate web server, but
> > the domain is hosted on a server that is merely
> hosting a domain-pointer
> > that loads the Geo$hitties site when that domain URL
> is loaded. Such "free"
> > sites are not only a censorship risk as Martin
> noted, but just in general
> > look very "bush-league" and amateurish and
> unprofessional. Web hosting
> > plans, good ones on reliable servers (I personally
> use Networks Web Hosting
> > out of New Mexico...www.1webhost.com great service)
> are 100 MB of web space
> > for 19.95 per month, less when pre-paid annually.
>
> Sorry, but I was mistaken.  The MOLP is paying for
> their Geocities site so that there is more storage
> space and no ads.  You should have noticed that there
> weren't any ads.  Geocities can either be a free
> hosting with ads or paid with no ads so quit
> criticizing.  It isn't free!
>
> Also, the style of the web page is what makes web
> pages look amaterish and unprofessional.  It is not
> where it is hosted, unless there are ads all over the
> screen.  The MOLP web site is one of the best I have
> seen and I am a professional.
>
>
> > Agreed. Geo$hitties is a cheesebag operation.
>
> Once again, it isn't free.
>
> > The LP doesn't need anyone or anything having to do
> with the Reform Party to
> > be degraded, it has David Bergland, Perry Willis,
> and Harry Browne who are
> > already doing a just fine job of degrading the LP.
>
> Again, don't believe everything you read.
>
> > >    Secondly, with its insistence on gay 'marriage'
> having to be recognized
> > > by the state and enforced upon the rest of us,
> plus the rest of its ASS
> > > Platform of "Abortion, Sodomy&Smokin'-dope" I find
> it unlikely that this
> > > listserver will degrade the collection of moral
> degenerates known as the
> > > Missouri Libertarian Party much, if any, further
> than its partisans have
> > > already accomplished very well.
>
> This is not an official Libertarian Party position.
> Haven't you read the platform.  See
> http://www.lp.org/platform/
>
> I don't see gay marriage listed, but Libertarians
> generally agree that the government should stay out of
> marriage.
>
> > My take on these issues:
> >
> > Abortion: Denial of the Right to Human Life by any
> party that calls itself
> > Libertarian shows that such party has no solid
> foundation to base it's
> > claims of advocating individual rights. Without the
> Right to Life all other
> > rights are worthless, meaningless, and have no means
> of support in a
> > foundation of protecting, defending, and preserving
> individual rights.
>
> See platform on abortion
> http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html
>
>
> > Gay 'marriage' This is a complete misnomer. Marriage
> is the unity of a man
> > and woman...as in Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
> Laws for "gay marriage"
> > are another instance of granting special priveleges
> to those demanding them,
> > namely the homosexual lobby. Again, the LP is wrong
> to sell itself out to
> > this crowd. As Rush Limbaugh says...defining
> deviancy down...again.
>
> Gay marriage is not a misnomer.  Gays can be married
> by their church whether or not the government
> recognizes the marriage as a legal marriage.
>
> > Dope...I personally don't like the stuff, I could
> care less who else uses
> > it, and I'm opposed to any public laws banning
> individuals from choosing
> > their own drugs or medicines of choice providing
> they don't violate the
> > rights of others.
>
> At least we agree on this issue.
>
> > Jesse Ventura was sleepless through his ENTIRE
> campaign worrying about the
> > almost stealth candidate the Missouri LP ran. I know
> someone personally who
> > used to be involved in the Minn. LP and he told me
> the candidate they ran
> > was a JOKE and that most of his friends in the LPMN
> voted for Jesse.
>
> Why was Jesse worried about a Missouri LP candidate?
>
> Not all candidates are good just because they run on
> the LP ticket.  I know Missouri has had our share of
> Jokes for candidates.
>
> Martin Lindstedt said:
> > >     It is a nice thing to have nothing better to
> do with an empty head
> > > other than to turn it into an open-air brothel for
> the "feelings" by
> > > which such as LibberToons turn perversion into
> high moral purpose.
> > > I dare say that the political position regarding
> the age of consent
> > > by the North American Man-Boy Love Association and
> the Libertarian
> > > Party is identical.
> >
> > I've recently researched this very question, and
> this is quite an accurate
> > reflection of Libetarian philosophy as espoused by
> several factions of the
> > LP including those who follow L. Neil Smith, Ayn
> Rand, Murray Rothbard, and
> > this view is enshrined in the New Covenant published
> at Smith's
> > Webleyweb.com site and also the official LP platform
> at www.lp.org. All of
> > which advocate the notion that individual rights of
> adults apply to children
> > as well, and that age of consent laws violate these
> rights. This stand is
> > not only wrong (the Bill of Rights was not framed to
> repeal age of consent
> > laws that go all the way back to Common Law) legally
> and historically, it's
> > WRONG philosophically, and it is WRONG (clearly so)
> to those who understand
> > the purpose and reason children need to have a
> CHILDHOOD before facing adult
> > rights and responsibilities. I'm almost done writing
> a major essay that will
> > blow the cover off of this...which shows how
> ethically and morally corrupt
> > the libertarian position on this matter is.
>
> However, this is not a position of the National LP.
> Check the platform http://www.lp.org/platform/
>
> There is no position on children's rights.
>
> Just because an author has Libertarian ideas does not
> mean that their ideas are the official party position.
>
> There are authors that are of other political
> affililiations and this does not mean they are 100%
> endorsed by their national party.
>
>
> > ..5 % with Harry Browne in 1996 and possibly less
> votes this year if Browne
> > is nominated again...the grand promises of 200,000
> members from Project
> > Archimedes and that has crashed and burned as
> national membership has
> > leveled out...obviously the "joe Six Packs" who are
> favorable to the
> > individual rights point of view are NOT joining the
> LP, and many members are
> > LEAVING the LP...wonder why...because the party runs
> off anyone who doesn't
> > fit into their little factions and preach their
> dogma religiously. Pathetic.
>
> This is a false.  The National LP promotes all
> candidates in their LP News.  Although there are
> people on their staff that may be biased toward a
> candidate that is normal.  I haven't seen it in their
> publication.  Many think it is perfectly natural for
> them to help a candidate, especially one that has done
> much to grow the party.
>
> > Another site on this is www.jacobghornberger.com
> Those who like to deny
> > reality should be warned that site is loaded with
> facts, solidly researched
> > information, and a stinging indictment of the
> conflicts of interest in the
> > Bergland-Browne "machine."
>
> That site is a laugh.  Who knows what is going on in
> Jacob Hornberger's mind.  Jacob is great at twisting
> the facts and sensationalizing information as many
> political commentators like to do.
>
>
> > These names are just too hillarious not to
> comment...reading the bizarre and
> > demented attempts at political analysis by one
> Richard Illyes makes me think
> > the term "LibberToon" was perhaps coined especially
> for Mr. Illyes, because
> > he's the epitome of Looney Toons.
>
> Why don't you tell him that to his face?
>
> Martin Lindstedt:
> > >    Frankly, I don't know what you LibberToons have
> to bitch about.
> > > The Clinton Administration has been the best thing
> which ever happened
> > > to LibberToons.  Homo-toons can join the military,
> get preferential
> Dean Chambers:
> > Some LPers wanted to run one of them for President,
> as the LP candidate
> > until he dropped out of the race to create his own
> party. I don't see
> > violating the "don't ask dont' tell" policy and
> being dismissed from the
> > military as a qualification to be a party's nominee
> for president, but some
> > LPers did.
>
> What are you talking about?  Larry Hines ran for the
> nomination and dropped out on his own free will.  What
> do you have against homosexuals running for president?
>  Perhaps, you should take a good look in the mirror?
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:58 AM
> Subject: [LP2000] Re: Mo Reform Website
>
>
> > At 12:15 AM 05/09/2000 -0000,  Dean Chambers
wrote:

> This might look like a nitpick...I visited the
listed site, yes it's a
> domain but not one that loads that domain from a
legitimate web server, but
> the domain is hosted on a server that is merely
hosting a domain-pointer
> that loads the Geo$hitties site when that domain URL
is loaded. Such "free"
> sites are not only a censorship risk as Martin
noted, but just in general
> look very "bush-league" and amateurish and
unprofessional. Web hosting
> plans, good ones on reliable servers (I personally
use Networks Web Hosting
> out of New Mexico...www.1webhost.com great service)
are 100 MB of web space
> for 19.95 per month, less when pre-paid annually.

Sorry, but I was mistaken.  The MOLP is paying for
their Geocities site so that there is more storage
space and no ads.  You should have noticed that there
weren't any ads.  Geocities can either be a free
hosting with ads or paid with no ads so quit
criticizing.  It isn't free!

Also, the style of the web page is what makes web
pages look amaterish and unprofessional.  It is not
where it is hosted, unless there are ads all over the
screen.  The MOLP web site is one of the best I have
seen and I am a professional.


> Agreed. Geo$hitties is a cheesebag operation.

Once again, it isn't free.

> The LP doesn't need anyone or anything having to do
with the Reform Party to
> be degraded, it has David Bergland, Perry Willis,
and Harry Browne who are
> already doing a just fine job of degrading the LP.

Again, don't believe everything you read.

> >    Secondly, with its insistence on gay 'marriage'
having to be recognized
> > by the state and enforced upon the rest of us,
plus the rest of its ASS
> > Platform of "Abortion, Sodomy&Smokin'-dope" I find
it unlikely that this
> > listserver will degrade the collection of moral
degenerates known as the
> > Missouri Libertarian Party much, if any, further
than its partisans have
> > already accomplished very well.

This is not an official Libertarian Party position.
Haven't you read the platform.  See
http://www.lp.org/platform/

I don't see gay marriage listed, but Libertarians
generally agree that the government should stay out of
marriage.

> My take on these issues:
>
> Abortion: Denial of the Right to Human Life by any
party that calls itself
> Libertarian shows that such party has no solid
foundation to base it's
> claims of advocating individual rights. Without the
Right to Life all other
> rights are worthless, meaningless, and have no means
of support in a
> foundation of protecting, defending, and preserving
individual rights.

See platform on abortion
http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html


> Gay 'marriage' This is a complete misnomer. Marriage
is the unity of a man
> and woman...as in Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
Laws for "gay marriage"
> are another instance of granting special priveleges
to those demanding them,
> namely the homosexual lobby. Again, the LP is wrong
to sell itself out to
> this crowd. As Rush Limbaugh says...defining
deviancy down...again.

Gay marriage is not a misnomer.  Gays can be married
by their church whether or not the government
recognizes the marriage as a legal marriage.

> Dope...I personally don't like the stuff, I could
care less who else uses
> it, and I'm opposed to any public laws banning
individuals from choosing
> their own drugs or medicines of choice providing
they don't violate the
> rights of others.

At least we agree on this issue.

> Jesse Ventura was sleepless through his ENTIRE
campaign worrying about the
> almost stealth candidate the Missouri LP ran. I know
someone personally who
> used to be involved in the Minn. LP and he told me
the candidate they ran
> was a JOKE and that most of his friends in the LPMN
voted for Jesse.

Why was Jesse worried about a Missouri LP candidate?

Not all candidates are good just because they run on
the LP ticket.  I know Missouri has had our share of
Jokes for candidates.

Martin Lindstedt said:
> >     It is a nice thing to have nothing better to
do with an empty head
> > other than to turn it into an open-air brothel for
the "feelings" by
> > which such as LibberToons turn perversion into
high moral purpose.
> > I dare say that the political position regarding
the age of consent
> > by the North American Man-Boy Love Association and
the Libertarian
> > Party is identical.
>
> I've recently researched this very question, and
this is quite an accurate
> reflection of Libetarian philosophy as espoused by
several factions of the
> LP including those who follow L. Neil Smith, Ayn
Rand, Murray Rothbard, and
> this view is enshrined in the New Covenant published
at Smith's
> Webleyweb.com site and also the official LP platform
at www.lp.org. All of
> which advocate the notion that individual rights of
adults apply to children
> as well, and that age of consent laws violate these
rights. This stand is
> not only wrong (the Bill of Rights was not framed to
repeal age of consent
> laws that go all the way back to Common Law) legally
and historically, it's
> WRONG philosophically, and it is WRONG (clearly so)
to those who understand
> the purpose and reason children need to have a
CHILDHOOD before facing adult
> rights and responsibilities. I'm almost done writing
a major essay that will
> blow the cover off of this...which shows how
ethically and morally corrupt
> the libertarian position on this matter is.

However, this is not a position of the National LP.
Check the platform http://www.lp.org/platform/

There is no position on children's rights.

Just because an author has Libertarian ideas does not
mean that their ideas are the official party position.

There are authors that are of other political
affililiations and this does not mean they are 100%
endorsed by their national party.


> ..5 % with Harry Browne in 1996 and possibly less
votes this year if Browne
> is nominated again...the grand promises of 200,000
members from Project
> Archimedes and that has crashed and burned as
national membership has
> leveled out...obviously the "joe Six Packs" who are
favorable to the
> individual rights point of view are NOT joining the
LP, and many members are
> LEAVING the LP...wonder why...because the party runs
off anyone who doesn't
> fit into their little factions and preach their
dogma religiously. Pathetic.

This is a false.  The National LP promotes all
candidates in their LP News.  Although there are
people on their staff that may be biased toward a
candidate that is normal.  I haven't seen it in their
publication.  Many think it is perfectly natural for
them to help a candidate, especially one that has done
much to grow the party.

> Another site on this is www.jacobghornberger.com
Those who like to deny
> reality should be warned that site is loaded with
facts, solidly researched
> information, and a stinging indictment of the
conflicts of interest in the
> Bergland-Browne "machine."

That site is a laugh.  Who knows what is going on in
Jacob Hornberger's mind.  Jacob is great at twisting
the facts and sensationalizing information as many
political commentators like to do.


> These names are just too hillarious not to
comment...reading the bizarre and
> demented attempts at political analysis by one
Richard Illyes makes me think
> the term "LibberToon" was perhaps coined especially
for Mr. Illyes, because
> he's the epitome of Looney Toons.

Why don't you tell him that to his face?

Martin Lindstedt:
> >    Frankly, I don't know what you LibberToons have
to bitch about.
> > The Clinton Administration has been the best thing
which ever happened
> > to LibberToons.  Homo-toons can join the military,
get preferential
Dean Chambers:
> Some LPers wanted to run one of them for President,
as the LP candidate
> until he dropped out of the race to create his own
party. I don't see
> violating the "don't ask dont' tell" policy and
being dismissed from the
> military as a qualification to be a party's nominee
for president, but some
> LPers did.

What are you talking about?  Larry Hines ran for the
nomination and dropped out on his own free will.  What
do you have against homosexuals running for president?
  Perhaps, you should take a good look in the mirror?

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>This is why I support Pat Buchanan and why I am forming a
> Newton County Reform Party and a like senatorial district.
>Political party formation is a grass-roots upward task from the
>precinct to the  county to the state level, and not from the
>top-down, something that the state and national LibberToons and USTP
>people never have learned in the first place.

LP politics is grass roots.  The state and national level do not
control who files for candidates.

>So what more do you LibberToons want: Sodom & Gommorrah?  Well, you
>are 3/4 of the way there now.

Again, this just proves how dillusional you really are.

> Give yourselves and Bill Clinton a pat on the rump for bringing it
>about.

Libertarians do not like Clinton.  Are you in love with him or
something?

>    It's us Reform Party types and Buchananites who have reason to
be
> pissed -- and we are.

Well, you are pissed about some of the wrong things and are taking
the
wrong approach to fixing things in my opinion.

THE END!!!!

--- In mo_reform_party@egroups.com, Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@j...>
wrote:

>    No.  It is a domain name, not a WWW page.  There is a difference
> there.

Nonetheless, they still paid for it so it isn't free.


>     There are a number of things wrong with a free WWW site.  I
>should  know, as I've been kicked off of Geoshitties for content
>violations in one case.

It would be impossible for them to kick you off the web site unless
you were posting something rude to the guest book.  Even an
organization with a paid site would not likely tolerate rude comments
to their guest book.


>     The Missouri Reform Party is getting their own domain name and
> own dedicated WWW page.  I agreed with the Missouri Reform Party
Chair
> that this was indeed for the best.  What the LibberToons choose to
do,
> besides usually reflecting their self-serving foolishness trying to
> disguise itself as 'liberty-loving,' is of no consequence to Reform
> Party organization.

It's Libertarians, not LibberToons.  The Reform party is a bad joke.
I don't expect them to be around much longer.  They don't seem to
have
any clear goals anymore.

>     As for e-groups, it has taken over the listserver business
because
> it offers a very good product for free -- like Micro$haft Internet
> Explorer.  Also, I have never been kicked off of E-groups as an
e-group
> listserver moderator before.  (I've been kicked off of quite a few
> LibberToon lists though.)

Hmmm.  I don't recall ever seeing your real name on any of the
Libertarian lists.

>     Let me guess.  I'm talking to a LibberToon who wants to spy on
> what the Reform Party and Buchananites are doing.  As I recollect,
> I think I've seen your name on the LibberToon list, which I've been
> monitoring for years.

Ha, ha!  This is so funny coming from someone who portrays themselves
as Helen Dines, a black Democrat school teacher, member of NEA or
Niki
Russel, a college student working on a term paper.  By the way, how's
the term paper going, Niki?

So you finally admit that you were monitoring the list as a member
under a false name which you portrayed to be real.  At least I admit,
that the name I am using for your list is not my real name.  You
proceeded to "fool" the Libertarian Party list by using aliases which
you tried to convince us were real.  However, it was very easy and
legal to find out that they were coming from your computer.

>     No big deal, unlike LibberToons I have no intention of
censoring
> anyone as long as you refrain from certain LibberToon *actions*
>detrimental to the public morality on this listserver.

You were detracting from the purpose of the Libertarian Party list by
just being yourself.  If you monitored the list and kept quiet, most
people wouldn't care.

   In short, you can be all
> for perversion and be allowed to speak your piece here.  You send
> homosexual graphic files as attachments, you will be kicked off.

What the hell are you talking about.  Who is talking about me sending
homosexual graphic files to your list?  Why would I do that?  This
isn't that kind of list, is it?  Do you assume that all Libertarians
are gay?  How rude of you to assume this.

>    Secondly, with its insistence on gay 'marriage' having to be
>recognized > by the state and enforced upon the rest of us, plus the
>rest of its ASS Platform of "Abortion, Sodomy&Smokin'-dope" I find
it
>unlikely that this  listserver will degrade the collection of moral
>degenerates known as the  Missouri Libertarian Party much, if any,
>further than its partisans
>have already accomplished very well.

Good boy, you called us Libertarians!

Libertarians believe the ideal is for the government not to be
involved in recognizing any marriage.  However, if you are going to
recognize one type of marriage, others should be recognized too.  The
government does not have the right to discriminate against tax paying
citizens.

>It is a nice thing to have nothing better to do with an empty
>head other than to turn it into an open-air brothel for the
>"feelings" by  which such as LibberToons turn perversion into high
>moral purpose.

Oh,please.  Come out of the closet, Martin.  You were once a
Libertarian and I am sure you had no problem with their stance on
some
issues.  Or will you just pretending to be a Libertarian like you are
probably pretending to be a Reform.  What will be the next party that
you try to cause troube for, the Greens, Natural Law?

You just go from one party to the next and when someone disagrees
with
you, you set out to destroy the party.  Fortunately, you are not
successful to any great degree.

> I dare say that the political position regarding the age of consent
> by the North American Man-Boy Love Association and the Libertarian
> Party is identical.

You are dillusional.  It is a good thing there aren't many people on
this list to see how dillusional you are.  What are you, a pedophile?

>    The fact of the matter is that the Reform Party and the
>LibberToons have vastly different political goals and membership.

Thankfully.  I am sure that most Reform Party people are not as
rude as yourself.

>Whining about how I recognize the differences between the services
>provided by a 'free' WWW page like Geoshitties and one which is
under
>contract to safeguard the free speech of the Missouri Reform Party
is
>but a minor detail.

Huh?  It is the individual's web site that created it and it is their
right to place and allow whatever content they want.

>Geoshitties has no problem with homosexual 'Toon or One-Worlder
> perverts, but a great deal against White Christian Nationalists.  I
>for one would hate to see one of Pat Buchanan's speeches being the
>basis for  expulsion from Geoshitties or any other 'free' WWW page.

Well, good for them.  I didn't know that the Reform Party people were
a bunch of white racist, homophobes or is that just yourself?

>     Like I said before, you are welcome on this listserver, and I
>couldn't  care less if you are a LibberToon or not.  I'm not a
>LibberToon any more

Well you at least admitted you used to be a Libertarian!

>because I dared to reflect the position of my constituents from the
>Missouri 7th Congressional District, the Missouri 32d State
>Senatorial District, and Newton County when I was an elected
>official of the MoLP and a precinct committeeman.  I was against gay
>marriage, NAFTA/GATT and all the popular Toon perversions and
>policies which were held by the suburban whigger Toons, and so I was
>eventually kicked out of (and arrested for 'trespassing' at my own
>lynch party by) the Toon Party.

You know that this isn't the whole story.  You know, I don't think
the
Libertarian Party was the place for you anyone so it was probably all
for the best :)

  If
> you wish to go tell all your little Toon friends that I am still
> incorrigible then you can go to your own Toon listserver on
e-groups
> and do so.
>
>     http://www.egroups.com/group/molp

I am sure they don't really care about you.  You are of no
significance to them.

>    The best thing the Missouri Reform Party can do is to take a
>lesson from the Missouri LibberToons and the former USTP.  What has
>happened is that you get an inside clique who thinks that they have
a
>right to decide who will and who will not be an approved candidate.

No one decides this.  No one stopped you from being a candidate when
you ran in the primary against Tamara Millay.  No one has the power
to
stop you from being a candidate other than not voting for you if
there
is a primary.

The end
> result is that the only candidates allowed are those that represent
> the will of a dozen or less political party insiders.  With that
> incestuous arrangement, the political party founders because there
>simply is not anything in it for Joe Six-Pack to vote for, and >he
>stays home or votes Republican.  And the political party dies
because
>a few feebs and moral degenerates hijacked it to their own personal
>ends.

Well, the Libertarian Party isn't going to go away.  We are very
strong in Missouri.  We have candidates for every major state office
and they are not party approved candidates.

>    For confirmation of that, go back to the Missouri Toon Party
>listserver and read about what happened to the National Libertarian
>Party because insiders sold the nomination to Harry Brown in 2000
and
>1996.  There just isn't enough slop to feed all the thieving hogs
and
>so the thieves have fallen out.

Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?

>     Now I am a candidate in a contested primary, and I dare not
>insist that the Missouri Reform Party leadership favor myself or any
>other candidate. I will have to prove that I am the stronger
>candidate by winning the primary.  If I am the weaker candidate then
>I will support the winner as long as he supports the Reform Party.

Yeah, just like you supported Tamara Millay by posting comments about
her on your web page.

Well, good luck in your campaign.

>And, lest you say that I was kicked out because I did not support
the
>LibberToon Party, let me say that no true LibberToon has any loyalty
>to anyone or anything other than himself and his own appetites.

You were likely kicked out since you were disruptive to party
business and attacked members with false and malicious statements on
your web page.

>The Reform Party promises to be a White Christian Nationalistic
>political party which will attract White Christian National
>loyalists, and to garner loyalty one must so pay in that coin.

Yuck.  So I guess Helen Dines wouldn't be allowed in your party since
she is Black.  Plus I doubt that many Democrats would be attracted to
Pat Buchanan.

>This is why I support Pat Buchanan and why I am forming a
> Newton County Reform Party and a like senatorial district.
>Political party formation is a grass-roots upward task from the
>precinct to the  county to the state level, and not from the
>top-down, something that the state and national LibberToons and USTP
>people never have learned in the first place.

Oh, thanks for reminding me.  I forgot that you also trashed the USTP
between the LP and the Reform.

> The "Southern" Party has the same sickness, a  determination by the
>wannabe founders to never let control get away
>from  them.  They spent three months fighting over whether they
would
>let the  state chairs or some former CIA spook & "League of the
South
>Approved" insider control the young party.  The League won, and now
>it faces the task of convincing White Christian Southerners that
>there is a place in it for them while at the same time saying that
>they are a "non-racist" White Christian Nationalist separatist
>political organization.

So you are not denying that you are a racist homophobe? You are
saying
that you believe the Reform Party is a White Christian Nationalist
Rascist organization?

>    I don't care what fools say.  All politics is local.  A
political
> machine is built from the bottom-up.  The shennagans which occur at
>the  national level act only in a negative manner.  Besides, I find
>that it is best to filter out the real Resistance cream of the crop
>by diverting such people with their talents to stay underground, and
>not to where they can come to the attention of imperial criminal
>regimeist authorities.  We need some lone-wolves amongst the sheep.

Yes, politics is local.

>    There is the 2% room on the ballot for a left-wing bunch of
>chaotic abortionist, dope-smoking, homosexual, one-worlder selfish
>feebs who don't think that the Democratic Party has gone far enough
>in providing them with the 'liberty' necessary to "be all that they
>can be" in their  moral departments, which is why there will always
>be around 40 feebs  running for office and maybe just enough to make
>the 2% ballot access.

You know that not all of the LP is a bunch of chaotic abortionist,
dope-smoking, homosexual...  Most that I know are married and have
kids and don't use drugs.

> But on the right, there simply is not enough candidates or
>organization to support a Reform Party, a Constitution/USTP Party
and
>a Southern Party  enough to retain 2% ballot access in Missouri.

That is because most people have the sense that we shouldn't mix
politics with religion and racism.

>This is why the USTP  is going to die and the Southern Party will be
>miscarried. It might well hinder the Reform Party to where ballot
>access is not maintained, unless we successfully cannibalize the
>Repubs for membership.

Not likely.  Your party is becomeing even too radical for the
Republicans.

>     Which is why, markmiller77@y..., or whatever your name is, I
> am not advancing the Reform Party by attacking the sundry moral and
> mental degeneracies of the LibberToons, but merely saying that one
>should  not be as the LibberToons and other wannabe political party
>Solipsistic  Mattoid Anarchy-Fascists (SMAFs) because it is not what
>our Party  membership and political goals are about.

That's a laugh.  You have degrading them plenty on this list as well
as their own list under the guise of Helen Dines and Niki Russel.

>     But even saying that I was . . . .  what is your complaint in
>the  matter?  The LibberToons had a fit when I ran for governor in
>1996, > and because I dared sue them in federal kort because they
>were violating the political rights of poor white candidates to run
>for public office.

And you didn't win your lawsuit did you, the one that is so famous
for
filing frivolous lawsuits.  Is this a hobby of yours?

> The end result was a lawsuit by which the ballot access of all
minor
> political parties is threatened, and in which the federal
government
> has proclaimed that poor Whites have no political rights to run for
> public office.  Therefore, political agitators like myself claim
>that no poor White has any political or moral obligation to support
>or obey the Evil NWO/ZOG Empire.  No taxation without
representation,
>and all that.

You apparently had no problem coming up with the money to file and no
problem wasting your time filing a lawsuit.  You could have been
working a job and made some money while you were whining to the
courts with your frivilouis lawsuits.

And you Toons can forget ever winning a ballot access victory
> in the 8th U.S. Circus Kort.  If the 8th Circus can rule that
Martin
> Lindstedt has no right to run for office even though it took 11,700
> petition signatures to run in a 2,600 vote LibberToon primary, then
> it is not going to uphold the South Dakota LibberToon Party
bitching
> about how hard it is for them to get 250 registered LibberToons to
> sign a petition in which there are only 900+ registered LibberToons
> in the entire state.  In trying to eradicate my candidacy, the
> LibberToons and other minor political parties from North Dakota to
> Arkansas have raised the barrier to ballot access for minor
>political  parties, maybe further, when one considers that the 11th
>Circus has  done so as well in Florida ballot-access cases.
>LibberToons are such short-sighted fascists.

You are so full of it.  Lies, lies, lies.

> See:
>     http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/slmd1198.html
>     http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/rehr1198.html
>     http://www.wulaw.wustl.edu/8th.cir/Opinions/981118/982503.P8 ;
>     Lindstedt v. Missouri Libertarian Party, 160 F.3d 1197-1199

No thanks!

>    Frankly, I don't know what you LibberToons have to bitch about.
> The Clinton Administration has been the best thing which ever
>happened to LibberToons.  Homo-toons can join the military, get
>preferential  treatment, and be protected from White Christian
>Heterosexual Males  by the 100,000 police Clinton put on the street.

Yeah right.  Clinton just made things worse for gays. Government
doesn't work.

>The CIA is smuggling  in plenty of smokin-dope for both suburban
>Toons and inner-city congoids to enjoy at low prices.

Again, government doesn't work!

>Immigration has never been higher.

Immigration isn't free enough.  Again, government doesn't work.

Bill Clinton
> enacted the LibberToon line that "Free Trade is Good" when he
pushed
> through NAFTA/GATT WTO/NWO programs.

Trade isn't free enough still.  Government doesn't work!!  Trade
should be free and have nothing to do with government.

>So what more do you LibberToons  want: Sodom & Gommorrah?  Well, you
?--- In mo_reform_party@egroups.com, Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@j...>
wrote:

>    No.  It is a domain name, not a WWW page.  There is a difference
> there.

Nonetheless, they still paid for it so it isn't free.


>     There are a number of things wrong with a free WWW site.  I
>should  know, as I've been kicked off of Geoshitties for content
>violations in one case.

It would be impossible for them to kick you off the web site unless
you were posting something rude to the guest book.  Even an
organization with a paid site would not likely tolerate rude comments
to their guest book.


>     The Missouri Reform Party is getting their own domain name and
> own dedicated WWW page.  I agreed with the Missouri Reform Party
Chair
> that this was indeed for the best.  What the LibberToons choose to
do,
> besides usually reflecting their self-serving foolishness trying to
> disguise itself as 'liberty-loving,' is of no consequence to Reform
> Party organization.

It's Libertarians, not LibberToons.  The Reform party is a bad joke.
I don't expect them to be around much longer.  They don't seem to
have
any clear goals anymore.

>     As for e-groups, it has taken over the listserver business
because
> it offers a very good product for free -- like Micro$haft Internet
> Explorer.  Also, I have never been kicked off of E-groups as an
e-group
> listserver moderator before.  (I've been kicked off of quite a few
> LibberToon lists though.)

Hmmm.  I don't recall ever seeing your real name on any of the
Libertarian lists.

>     Let me guess.  I'm talking to a LibberToon who wants to spy on
> what the Reform Party and Buchananites are doing.  As I recollect,
> I think I've seen your name on the LibberToon list, which I've been
> monitoring for years.

Ha, ha!  This is so funny coming from someone who portrays themselves
as Helen Dines, a black Democrat school teacher, member of NEA or
Niki
Russel, a college student working on a term paper.  By the way, how's
the term paper going, Niki?

So you finally admit that you were monitoring the list as a member
under a false name which you portrayed to be real.  At least I admit,
that the name I am using for your list is not my real name.  You
proceeded to "fool" the Libertarian Party list by using aliases which
you tried to convince us were real.  However, it was very easy and
legal to find out that they were coming from your computer.

>     No big deal, unlike LibberToons I have no intention of
censoring
> anyone as long as you refrain from certain LibberToon *actions*
>detrimental to the public morality on this listserver.

You were detracting from the purpose of the Libertarian Party list by
just being yourself.  If you monitored the list and kept quiet, most
people wouldn't care.

   In short, you can be all
> for perversion and be allowed to speak your piece here.  You send
> homosexual graphic files as attachments, you will be kicked off.

What the hell are you talking about.  Who is talking about me sending
homosexual graphic files to your list?  Why would I do that?  This
isn't that kind of list, is it?  Do you assume that all Libertarians
are gay?  How rude of you to assume this.

>    Secondly, with its insistence on gay 'marriage' having to be
>recognized > by the state and enforced upon the rest of us, plus the
>rest of its ASS Platform of "Abortion, Sodomy&Smokin'-dope" I find
it
>unlikely that this  listserver will degrade the collection of moral
>degenerates known as the  Missouri Libertarian Party much, if any,
>further than its partisans
>have already accomplished very well.

Good boy, you called us Libertarians!

Libertarians believe the ideal is for the government not to be
involved in recognizing any marriage.  However, if you are going to
recognize one type of marriage, others should be recognized too.  The
government does not have the right to discriminate against tax paying
citizens.

>It is a nice thing to have nothing better to do with an empty
>head other than to turn it into an open-air brothel for the
>"feelings" by  which such as LibberToons turn perversion into high
>moral purpose.

Oh,please.  Come out of the closet, Martin.  You were once a
Libertarian and I am sure you had no problem with their stance on
some
issues.  Or will you just pretending to be a Libertarian like you are
probably pretending to be a Reform.  What will be the next party that
you try to cause troube for, the Greens, Natural Law?

You just go from one party to the next and when someone disagrees
with
you, you set out to destroy the party.  Fortunately, you are not
successful to any great degree.

> I dare say that the political position regarding the age of consent
> by the North American Man-Boy Love Association and the Libertarian
> Party is identical.

You are dillusional.  It is a good thing there aren't many people on
this list to see how dillusional you are.  What are you, a pedophile?

>    The fact of the matter is that the Reform Party and the
>LibberToons have vastly different political goals and membership.

Thankfully.  I am sure that most Reform Party people are not as rude
as yourself.

>Whining about how I recognize the differences between the services
>provided by a 'free' WWW page like Geoshitties and one which is
under
>contract to safeguard the free speech of the Missouri Reform Party
is
>but a minor detail.

Huh?  It is the individual's web site that created it and it is their
right to place and allow whatever content they want.

>Geoshitties has no problem with homosexual 'Toon or One-Worlder
> perverts, but a great deal against White Christian Nationalists.  I
>for one would hate to see one of Pat Buchanan's speeches being the
>basis for  expulsion from Geoshitties or any other 'free' WWW page.

Well, good for them.  I didn't know that the Reform Party people were
a bunch of white racist, homophobes or is that just yourself?

>     Like I said before, you are welcome on this listserver, and I
>couldn't  care less if you are a LibberToon or not.  I'm not a
>LibberToon any more

Well you at least admitted you used to be a Libertarian!

>because I dared to reflect the position of my constituents from the
>Missouri 7th Congressional District, the Missouri 32d State
>Senatorial District, and Newton County when I was an elected
>official of the MoLP and a precinct committeeman.  I was against gay
>marriage, NAFTA/GATT and all the popular Toon perversions and
>policies which were held by the suburban whigger Toons, and so I was
>eventually kicked out of (and arrested for 'trespassing' at my own
>lynch party by) the Toon Party.

You know that this isn't the whole story.  You know, I don't think
the
Libertarian Party was the place for you anyone so it was probably all
for the best :)

  If
> you wish to go tell all your little Toon friends that I am still
> incorrigible then you can go to your own Toon listserver on
e-groups
> and do so.
>
>     http://www.egroups.com/group/molp

I am sure they don't really care about you.  You are of no
significance to them.

>    The best thing the Missouri Reform Party can do is to take a
>lesson from the Missouri LibberToons and the former USTP.  What has
>happened is that you get an inside clique who thinks that they have
a
>right to decide who will and who will not be an approved candidate.

No one decides this.  No one stopped you from being a candidate when
you ran in the primary against Tamara Millay.  No one has the power
to
stop you from being a candidate other than not voting for you if
there
is a primary.

The end
> result is that the only candidates allowed are those that represent
> the will of a dozen or less political party insiders.  With that
> incestuous arrangement, the political party founders because there
>simply is not anything in it for Joe Six-Pack to vote for, and >he
>stays home or votes Republican.  And the political party dies
because
>a few feebs and moral degenerates hijacked it to their own personal
>ends.

Well, the Libertarian Party isn't going to go away.  We are very
strong in Missouri.  We have candidates for every major state office
and they are not party approved candidates.

>    For confirmation of that, go back to the Missouri Toon Party
>listserver and read about what happened to the National Libertarian
>Party because insiders sold the nomination to Harry Brown in 2000
and
>1996.  There just isn't enough slop to feed all the thieving hogs
and
>so the thieves have fallen out.

Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?

>     Now I am a candidate in a contested primary, and I dare not
>insist that the Missouri Reform Party leadership favor myself or any
>other candidate. I will have to prove that I am the stronger
>candidate by winning the primary.  If I am the weaker candidate then
>I will support the winner as long as he supports the Reform Party.

Yeah, just like you supported Tamara Millay by posting comments about
her on your web page.

Well, good luck in your campaign.

>And, lest you say that I was kicked out because I did not support
the
>LibberToon Party, let me say that no true LibberToon has any loyalty
>to anyone or anything other than himself and his own appetites.

You were likely kicked out since you were disruptive to party
business
and attacked members with false and malicious statements on your web
page.

>The Reform Party promises to be a White Christian Nationalistic
>political party which will attract White Christian National
>loyalists, and to garner loyalty one must so pay in that coin.

Yuck.  So I guess Helen Dines wouldn't be allowed in your party since
she is Black.  Plus I doubt that many Democrats would be attracted to
Pat Buchanan.

To be continued....

At 12:15 AM 05/09/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>Try http://www.lpmo.org
>
>I would guess it is a paid website and it redirects you to the
>original site.

    No.  It is a domain name, not a WWW page.  There is a difference
there.

>Nothing wrong with free web sites.  Heck, this Egroups is even free.
>Does this make the Reform Party look cheap?

     There are a number of things wrong with a free WWW site.  I should
know, as I've been kicked off of Geoshitties for content violations
in one case.

     The Missouri Reform Party is getting their own domain name and
own dedicated WWW page.  I agreed with the Missouri Reform Party Chair
that this was indeed for the best.  What the LibberToons choose to do,
besides usually reflecting their self-serving foolishness trying to
disguise itself as 'liberty-loving,' is of no consequence to Reform
Party organization.

     As for e-groups, it has taken over the listserver business because
it offers a very good product for free -- like Micro$haft Internet
Explorer.  Also, I have never been kicked off of E-groups as an e-group
listserver moderator before.  (I've been kicked off of quite a few
LibberToon lists though.)

>Degrading the Libertarian Party certainly isn't going to get the
>Reform Party any more votes.

     Let me guess.  I'm talking to a LibberToon who wants to spy on
what the Reform Party and Buchananites are doing.  As I recollect,
I think I've seen your name on the LibberToon list, which I've been
monitoring for years.

     No big deal, unlike LibberToons I have no intention of censoring
anyone as long as you refrain from certain LibberToon *actions* detrimental
to the public morality on this listserver.  In short, you can be all
for perversion and be allowed to speak your piece here.  You send
homosexual graphic files as attachments, you will be kicked off.

    Secondly, with its insistence on gay 'marriage' having to be recognized
by the state and enforced upon the rest of us, plus the rest of its ASS
Platform of "Abortion, Sodomy&Smokin'-dope" I find it unlikely that this
listserver will degrade the collection of moral degenerates known as the
Missouri Libertarian Party much, if any, further than its partisans have
already accomplished very well.


>I guess you feel you must cut down the LP since you see them as a
>great threat to the success of the Reform Party.

     It is a nice thing to have nothing better to do with an empty head
other than to turn it into an open-air brothel for the "feelings" by
which such as LibberToons turn perversion into high moral purpose.
I dare say that the political position regarding the age of consent
by the North American Man-Boy Love Association and the Libertarian
Party is identical.

     The fact of the matter is that the Reform Party and the LibberToons
have vastly different political goals and membership.  Whining about
how I recognize the differences between the services provided by a
'free' WWW page like Geoshitties and one which is under contract to
safeguard the free speech of the Missouri Reform Party is but a minor
detail.  Geoshitties has no problem with homosexual 'Toon or One-Worlder
perverts, but a great deal against White Christian Nationalists.  I for
one would hate to see one of Pat Buchanan's speeches being the basis for
expulsion from Geoshitties or any other 'free' WWW page.

     Like I said before, you are welcome on this listserver, and I couldn't
care less if you are a LibberToon or not.  I'm not a LibberToon any more
because I dared to reflect the position of my constituents from the
Missouri 7th Congressional District, the Missouri 32d State Senatorial
District, and Newton County when I was an elected official of the MoLP
and a precinct committeeman.  I was against gay marriage, NAFTA/GATT and
all the popular Toon perversions and policies which were held by the
suburban whigger Toons, and so I was eventually kicked out of (and
arrested for 'trespassing' at my own lynch party by) the Toon Party.  If
you wish to go tell all your little Toon friends that I am still
incorrigible then you can go to your own Toon listserver on e-groups
and do so.

     http://www.egroups.com/group/molp


    The best thing the Missouri Reform Party can do is to take a lesson
from the Missouri LibberToons and the former USTP.  What has happened
is that you get an inside clique who thinks that they have a right to
decide who will and who will not be an approved candidate.  The end
result is that the only candidates allowed are those that represent
the will of a dozen or less political party insiders.  With that
incestuous arrangement, the political party founders because there simply
is not anything in it for Joe Six-Pack to vote for, and he stays home
or votes Republican.  And the political party dies because a few feebs
and moral degenerates hijacked it to their own personal ends.

    For confirmation of that, go back to the Missouri Toon Party listserver
and read about what happened to the National Libertarian Party because
insiders sold the nomination to Harry Brown in 2000 and 1996.  There just
isn't enough slop to feed all the thieving hogs and so the thieves have
fallen out.

    http://www.egroups.com/group/molp
    http://www.egroups.com/group/lp2000


     Now I am a candidate in a contested primary, and I dare not insist that
the Missouri Reform Party leadership favor myself or any other candidate.
I will have to prove that I am the stronger candidate by winning the
primary.  If I am the weaker candidate then I will support the winner
as long as he supports the Reform Party.  And, lest you say that I was
kicked out because I did not support the LibberToon Party, let me say
that no true LibberToon has any loyalty to anyone or anything other than
himself and his own appetites.  The Reform Party promises to be a White
Christian Nationalistic political party which will attract White
Christian National loyalists, and to garner loyalty one must so pay
in that coin.  This is why I support Pat Buchanan and why I am forming a
Newton County Reform Party and a like senatorial district.  Political
party formation is a grass-roots upward task from the precinct to the
county to the state level, and not from the top-down, something that
the state and national LibberToons and USTP people never have learned
in the first place.  The "Southern" Party has the same sickness, a
determination by the wannabe founders to never let control get away from
them.  They spent three months fighting over whether they would let the
state chairs or some former CIA spook & "League of the South Approved"
insider control the young party.  The League won, and now it faces the
task of convincing White Christian Southerners that there is a place
in it for them while at the same time saying that they are a "non-racist"
White Christian Nationalist separatist political organization.

    I don't care what fools say.  All politics is local.  A political
machine is built from the bottom-up.  The shennagans which occur at the
national level act only in a negative manner.  Besides, I find that
it is best to filter out the real Resistance cream of the crop by
diverting such people with their talents to stay underground, and not
to where they can come to the attention of imperial criminal regimeist
authorities.  We need some lone-wolves amongst the sheep.

    There is the 2% room on the ballot for a left-wing bunch of chaotic
abortionist, dope-smoking, homosexual, one-worlder selfish feebs who don't
think that the Democratic Party has gone far enough in providing them
with the 'liberty' necessary to "be all that they can be" in their
moral departments, which is why there will always be around 40 feebs
running for office and maybe just enough to make the 2% ballot access.
But on the right, there simply is not enough candidates or organization
to support a Reform Party, a Constitution/USTP Party and a Southern Party
enough to retain 2% ballot access in Missouri.  This is why the USTP
is going to die and the Southern Party will be miscarried. It might
well hinder the Reform Party to where ballot access is not maintained,
unless we successfully cannibalize the Repubs for membership.

     Which is why, markmiller77@..., or whatever your name is, I
am not advancing the Reform Party by attacking the sundry moral and
mental degeneracies of the LibberToons, but merely saying that one should
not be as the LibberToons and other wannabe political party Solipsistic
Mattoid Anarchy-Fascists (SMAFs) because it is not what our Party
membership and political goals are about.

     But even saying that I was . . . .  what is your complaint in the
matter?  The LibberToons had a fit when I ran for governor in 1996,
and because I dared sue them in federal kort because they were violating
the political rights of poor white candidates to run for public office.
The end result was a lawsuit by which the ballot access of all minor
political parties is threatened, and in which the federal government
has proclaimed that poor Whites have no political rights to run for
public office.  Therefore, political agitators like myself claim that
no poor White has any political or moral obligation to support or obey
the Evil NWO/ZOG Empire.  No taxation without representation, and all
that.  And you Toons can forget ever winning a ballot access victory
in the 8th U.S. Circus Kort.  If the 8th Circus can rule that Martin
Lindstedt has no right to run for office even though it took 11,700
petition signatures to run in a 2,600 vote LibberToon primary, then
it is not going to uphold the South Dakota LibberToon Party bitching
about how hard it is for them to get 250 registered LibberToons to
sign a petition in which there are only 900+ registered LibberToons
in the entire state.  In trying to eradicate my candidacy, the
LibberToons and other minor political parties from North Dakota to
Arkansas have raised the barrier to ballot access for minor political
parties, maybe further, when one considers that the 11th Circus has
done so as well in Florida ballot-access cases.  LibberToons are such
short-sighted fascists.

See:
     http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/slmd1198.html
     http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/rehr1198.html
     http://www.wulaw.wustl.edu/8th.cir/Opinions/981118/982503.P8 ;
     Lindstedt v. Missouri Libertarian Party, 160 F.3d 1197-1199


    Frankly, I don't know what you LibberToons have to bitch about.
The Clinton Administration has been the best thing which ever happened
to LibberToons.  Homo-toons can join the military, get preferential
treatment, and be protected from White Christian Heterosexual Males
by the 100,000 police Clinton put on the street.  The CIA is smuggling
in plenty of smokin-dope for both suburban Toons and inner-city congoids
to enjoy at low prices.  Immigration has never been higher.  Bill Clinton
enacted the LibberToon line that "Free Trade is Good" when he pushed
through NAFTA/GATT WTO/NWO programs.  So what more do you LibberToons
want: Sodom & Gommorrah?  Well, you are 3/4 of the way there now. Give
yourselves and Bill Clinton a pat on the rump for bringing it about.


    It's us Reform Party types and Buchananites who have reason to be
pissed -- and we are.


Martin Lindstedt
Missouri Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate



>--- In mo_reform_party@egroups.com, Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@j...>
>said something that markmiller77@... objected to:

>>
>>    I agree with you for the need for a free-standing Missouri Reform
>> Party WWW page complete with its own domain name.  The Missouri
>> Libertarian Party is so cheap and stupid that it uses a 'free'
>> Geocities website, which ends up making them look like they are
>> cheap and stupid.
>>
>>    I think that the WWW pages need to be upgraded so that every candidate
>> is able to have a hyperlink to his WWW page and can put a hyperlink
>> right back.  In contested primaries, I think it is extremely important
>> that this State WWW page cannot be seen as siding with one side or
>> another but rather must be neutral until after the Primary determines
>> who the nominees are by virtue of having this matter decided by Reform
>> Party voters.  It creates bad feelings and factionalism to do otherwise.
>>
>>    Those candidates who are not facing primary competition should be
>> encouraged though, especially our Congressional candidates.
>>
>>    I think that the state newsletter should also be put on the state
>> WWW page as well.  It is far better and cheaper to so so that way.
>>
>>    There might well also be a hyperlink to www.dnet.org so that
>> the candidates can be seen engaging in debate and having their position
>> papers put onto the WWW in a 'neutral' forum.
>>
>>    I would most certainly be interested in seeing the minutes of the
>> Columbia state convention and the selected national committee delegates.
>>
>>    After the August primary, I would be willing to help the Webmaster,
>> as I'll have either won the primary or, having lost, will bump my
>> girlfriend and run as Sheriff in Newton County on the Reform Party
>> ticket.
>>
>>    Thank you for answering Joe Nix's comments.  Joe is pretty much up to
>> speed in SW Missouri politics, having served as county committeeman for
>> the Republicans and former USTP and run in a local primary for state
>> representative.  Joe is also the editor and publisher of his own
>> political WWW page.
>>
>>    Thank you for your time and attention.
>>
>>
>> Martin Lindstedt
>> Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate


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Try http://www.lpmo.org

I would guess it is a paid website and it redirects you to the
original site.

Nothing wrong with free web sites.  Heck, this Egroups is even free.
Does this make the Reform Party look cheap?

Degrading the Libertarian Party certainly isn't going to get the
Reform Party any more votes.

I guess you feel you must cut down the LP since you see them as a
great threat to the success of the Reform Party.


--- In mo_reform_party@egroups.com, Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@j...>
>
>    I agree with you for the need for a free-standing Missouri
Reform
> Party WWW page complete with its own domain name.  The Missouri
> Libertarian Party is so cheap and stupid that it uses a 'free'
> Geocities website, which ends up making them look like they are
> cheap and stupid.
>
>    I think that the WWW pages need to be upgraded so that every
candidate
> is able to have a hyperlink to his WWW page and can put a hyperlink
> right back.  In contested primaries, I think it is extremely
important
> that this State WWW page cannot be seen as siding with one side or
> another but rather must be neutral until after the Primary
determines
> who the nominees are by virtue of having this matter decided by
Reform
> Party voters.  It creates bad feelings and factionalism to do
otherwise.
>
>    Those candidates who are not facing primary competition should
be
> encouraged though, especially our Congressional candidates.
>
>    I think that the state newsletter should also be put on the
state
> WWW page as well.  It is far better and cheaper to so so that way.
>
>    There might well also be a hyperlink to www.dnet.org so that
> the candidates can be seen engaging in debate and having their
position
> papers put onto the WWW in a 'neutral' forum.
>
>    I would most certainly be interested in seeing the minutes of
the
> Columbia state convention and the selected national committee
delegates.
>
>    After the August primary, I would be willing to help the
Webmaster,
> as I'll have either won the primary or, having lost, will bump my
> girlfriend and run as Sheriff in Newton County on the Reform Party
> ticket.
>
>    Thank you for answering Joe Nix's comments.  Joe is pretty much
up to
> speed in SW Missouri politics, having served as county committeeman
for
> the Republicans and former USTP and run in a local primary for
state
> representative.  Joe is also the editor and publisher of his own
> political WWW page.
>
>    Thank you for your time and attention.
>
>
> Martin Lindstedt
> Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate
>
>
>
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At 12:12 AM 05/06/2000 EDT, Lewin236@... wrote:

>I agree that we need to be more active with a state party website.
>Currently, we utilize several pages that are part of the national web site.
>The plan is to establish a freestanding Missouri Reform Party site.  Earlier
>this week I tried to establish a domain name via Network Solutions, but
there
>was some sort of technical difficulty that prevented the transaction from
>completing.  I will try again this weekend, and then establish an account
>with a local web site host service next week.  We have a webmaster who
should
>be able to help us.  I agree that frequent updates are important, and that
is
>a problem I hope to take care of by establishing a state party site that we
>can maintain ourselves.
>    Bill Lewin
>    (Missouri State Chair)
>
>


    I agree with you for the need for a free-standing Missouri Reform
Party WWW page complete with its own domain name.  The Missouri
Libertarian Party is so cheap and stupid that it uses a 'free'
Geocities website, which ends up making them look like they are
cheap and stupid.

    I think that the WWW pages need to be upgraded so that every candidate
is able to have a hyperlink to his WWW page and can put a hyperlink
right back.  In contested primaries, I think it is extremely important
that this State WWW page cannot be seen as siding with one side or
another but rather must be neutral until after the Primary determines
who the nominees are by virtue of having this matter decided by Reform
Party voters.  It creates bad feelings and factionalism to do otherwise.

    Those candidates who are not facing primary competition should be
encouraged though, especially our Congressional candidates.

    I think that the state newsletter should also be put on the state
WWW page as well.  It is far better and cheaper to so so that way.

    There might well also be a hyperlink to www.dnet.org so that
the candidates can be seen engaging in debate and having their position
papers put onto the WWW in a 'neutral' forum.

    I would most certainly be interested in seeing the minutes of the
Columbia state convention and the selected national committee delegates.

    After the August primary, I would be willing to help the Webmaster,
as I'll have either won the primary or, having lost, will bump my
girlfriend and run as Sheriff in Newton County on the Reform Party
ticket.

    Thank you for answering Joe Nix's comments.  Joe is pretty much up to
speed in SW Missouri politics, having served as county committeeman for
the Republicans and former USTP and run in a local primary for state
representative.  Joe is also the editor and publisher of his own
political WWW page.

    Thank you for your time and attention.


Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate




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At 02:39 PM 04/28/2000 -0700, marvalene pankey wrote:
>Martin, I am sorry I didn't get this until now as I
>race to the end of the day for the public library
>computer.   I don't know how much will be gained by
>my presence at the State Convention tomorrow either.
>Carpooling, etc. might have been wise and I still hope
>the state leadership will work towards helping in some
>manner like that for the parades and events coming up.

     I don't think that the Party officers ought to do anything for or
against those with contested primaries, because that would be a conflict
of interest, equivalent to that which destroyed the LibberToon
National Party.  The Toons bought and sold influence for Harry Browne
in 1996 and then again in 2000, and recently the Browne campaign declared
that it lacked the funding to go on.  A primary ought to go to the
strongest,  toughest, and most fit political candidate as measured by
votes received, but at the same time there is a line which must not
be crossed, especially for a political party named for Reform.  There
just can't be any perception of back-room corrupt deals among the Party
elite.  The 'Toons crossed that line in 1992 and 1996 and this year,
and the end result is that the 'Toons are dead in the water right now.

     However, there is nothing to prevent the Congressional candidates
or any candidates from expressing a preference.  Which is why I would
have liked to go up there to make myself indispensible to them.


>I had research to do in Jeff. City today anyway and
>even ended up having a nice little chat with Bekki C.
>and her dog as God landed us in each other's path once
>again.   I haven't read your other e mails on this
>and just skimmed this one.   I might get back on line
>tonight if Lincoln is open, but that is debatable
>since
>the town is dead so I suspect they will close the
>public access.  Later---maybe two/three days.

    I checked Buchanan's WWW page and saw that he was scheduled
to be in California tomorrow.  So I decided that it would be best
to simply send on an e-mail to the Missouri Reform Party and the
Pat Buchanan Campaign Chairman in Missouri and make the point that
Southwestern Missouri were voting overwhelmingly in support for Pat
Buchanan in the primary.  Therefore a Buchanan delegation should
be chosen to represent the rank and file Reform Party voters who
picked up Reform Party ballots.  It is this rank and file vote which
will grow our political party and which we need in order to maintain
ballot status and then pull ahead of the LibberToons and the decayed
Constitution/USTP bunch.

     We both have had unpleasant experiences with other political parties,
and the fact of the matter is that having a dozen or so pols sitting in
back rooms manipulating things is a sure-fire way to extinction as a
political party.  We need to grow a political party and doing it up from
the grass-roots precinct and county level is the only way to do so.

     Since Buchanan is viewed as an extremist, then we cannot afford to
be looked on as 'moderates' or even reactionary fat-cat 'conservatives.'
None of us have any use for NAFTA/GATT NWO schemes, which is why we
support the Reform Party Platform, which is commendably simple.  If I
was to go to Columbia, the gliberal rathole of abortion & sodomy in
this state, it would be to help make sure that things are kept commendably
simple as they are now.  I don't think that the level-headed people I
met in KC last March are going to pull a ringer, so there is no reason
for me to go up there, 230 miles one-way.

     You, on the other hand, are already around the area. And you like
going to these things.  I hope you will go to the convention tomorrow
and give us Southwesterners a summary of what went on.  Our notions of
what is best is somewhat different than what St. Louis and KC thinks
works best.

     Also, I'm not going to worry about losing the primary election
overduly, although I do think I'm the best Ashcroftbane.  That's why
I had Roxie run for Sheriff was to have her vacate the position in my
favor if I lost the primary.  Besides, we need someone to maintain 2%
in the county and 32d senatorial district in case we lose statewide ballot
access.  We ran for precinct committeepersons so that we can recoup her
$50 filing fee for county office after the August primary.

     Next time you are in Jeff City see if you can't get the full addresses
of the Reform Congressional districts so I can offer to help them with
campaign WWW pages.  They need to have one up by May 8, which is when
Bekki Cook's office certifies the candidates, and allots WWW page mention
on the SOS page.  I've got ads for campaign stuff I'll never have the
money to buy and surveys galore and it is because they got my address
from somebody at the SOS office.



-------

     It is useful to have a modem-equipped computer in the house.  I
think it is far better than having to keep odd hours in public libraries.
Besides, I like to download mp3 music files of 3-4 megabyte capacity
in the wee hours of the morning by setting them up and then going to
bed, and disconnecting or reloading as necessary after going to the
restroom.   I have two of my computers networked so that one can be
on the Internet and I can write on the other.  I have an old 486 made
with surplus parts which can run a dot-matrix printer at my mother's
trailer at the bottom of the hill next to my place.  Can't do any of
this stuff at a public library.  It would cost me at least $3 in gas to
go over to the County public library in Neosho and I could only use it
an hour at a time.  This is why I've had an IBM computer since 1992
and an Internet connection since 1995.  It is pretty cheap to stay
at home and talk and communicate across the world in one's own home.
The guy I ran for judge in 1998 spends 8-9 hours in front of his
computer a day.

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Martin, I am sorry I didn't get this until now as I
race to the end of the day for the public library
computer.   I don't know how much will be gained by
my presence at the State Convention tomorrow either.
Carpooling, etc. might have been wise and I still hope
the state leadership will work towards helping in some
manner like that for the parades and events coming up.
I had research to do in Jeff. City today anyway and
even ended up having a nice little chat with Bekki C.
and her dog as God landed us in each other's path once
again.   I haven't read your other e mails on this
and just skimmed this one.   I might get back on line
tonight if Lincoln is open, but that is debatable
since
the town is dead so I suspect they will close the
public access.  Later---maybe two/three days.

--- Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@...> wrote:
>
>
>    I checked out Pat Buchanan's WWW page.  He is not
> scheduled to be
> at the state convention April 29th.
>
>    This changes things a bit.  No need to spend
> money I simply do not
> have, much less risk eating Imperial balony
> sandwiches in the county
> gulag if I can't go autograph hunting.  I probably
> can contact the
> congressional candidates and offer to help them
> campaign on the Internet
> via inexpensive WWW page by writing them a proposal
> via snail-mail.
>
>    I will write the state chairman explaining the
> circumstances behind
> my not being able to drive 230 miles one way and ask
> that as a county
> chairman who will win the primary election for
> precinct committeeman,
> along with Roxie, that the election results held in
> Newton County
> showed that 0 voted for Collins, 0 for Hagelin, 0
> uncommitted, and 34
> for Pat Buchanan.  Jasper County, a larger county,
> had 3 Collins, 1
> Hagelin, 19 Buchanan and 2 uncommitted.  McDonald
> County had 1 for
> Collins, 0 for Hagelin, 11 Buchanan and 0
> uncommitted.  I live in
> Newton County and I account for 10 votes for
> Buchanan from my family
> and 4 supporters who wouldn't have even voted if I
> hadn't asked them
> to just go to the polls and vote for Buchanan.  I
> was also vocal in my
> support for Buchanan, but I am only counting the
> votes of nine people
> who told me that they did as I asked them.  I don't
> know where the other
> 24 votes came from.
>
>     The point is that the 32d state senatorial
> district of Newton, Jasper,
> and McDonald Counties voted overwhelmingly for Pat
> Buchanan.
>
> See:
>
http://mosl.sos.state.mo.us/sos-elec/presprimaryreport.pdf
>
>       Page 4 of 6
>
>     4 Collins 1 Hagelin 64 Buchanan 4 uncommitted --
> 64 out of 73.
> That's close to 90%.  And I don't think that anyone
> ran for precinct
> committeemen in Jasper and McDonald Counties, so
> according to Missouri
> statute I am a lead-pipe cinch to be Newton County
> Chairman and likely
> the 32d Senatorial District Chairman and state
> committeeman as well.
>
>    So what I want done is to help Buchanan reap his
> primary win in the
> 32d Senatorial District, even though I doubt that
> anyone in the district
> is going to have the money to go to the National
> Party Convention.  I was
> hoping that I would have some sort of proxy vote for
> the voters in this
> district, the 64 out of 73 voters who voted for Pat
> Buchanan to help elect
> a delegate committed to Pat Buchanan to the National
> Convention.
>
>
>     According to Buchanan's WWW page:
>
>
http://www.gopatgo2000.org/new/articles/squitieri_buchanan_nomination.htm
>
>
>                  The Reform Party's nomination
> process is unlike
>                  those of Democrats and Republicans.
>
>
>                  The party will hold an election in
> June in which
>                  practically anyone in the USA can
> request a ballot
>                  and vote by mail or e-mail.
>
>                  However, the party has been holding
> caucuses to
>                  select delegates to its convention.
> If a candidate
>                  corrals two-thirds of the
> delegates, he can
>                  override the decision of the
> voters.
>
>                  Buchanan has been methodically
> collecting
>                  delegates to ensure his nomination.
> Once he gets the
>                  nomination, the party and his
> campaign "will
>                  soar like the Rockettes," he said.
>
>     In Missouri, there was a primary, not a caucus
> held.  Buchanan
> got roughly 10 times the votes for Collins, Hagelin,
> and uncommitted.
> Buchanan probably could file suit and win if he was
> challenged.
>
>     Also Buchanan's National Party Chairman, Pat
> Choate, won in federal
> district court over the Ventura remnants.
>
> See:
>
http://www.gopatgo2000.org/new/articles/Choate_seeks_unity.htm
>
>     I think that the Missouri Reform Party has no
> choice but to embrace
> Buchanan even if we wanted to go against the express
> wishes of 75% of the
> Reform Party rank-and-file voters, which is both
> wrong and idiotic.
> Buchanan is going to be the nominee, and so it would
> be best if the
> Missouri Reform Party sent a Buchanan delegation to
> the National Reform
> Party Convention.
>
>     Since I don't have the money to attend the state
> convention without
> hardship, and since Buchanan has won, and since all
> that is on the agenda
> is the election of national delegates from Missouri,
> I don't see a great
> need for me to attend this state convention.
>
>      See:
> http://missouri.reformparty.org/convention.html
>
>     The Reform Party of Missouri has scheduled its
> 2000 national
>     delegate selection convention for April 29 at
> 1:30 p.m. in
>     Columbia, Missouri. The state convention will be
> held at the
>     Boone County Government Center (801 East Walnut)
> in downtown
>     Columbia. The main item on the agenda will be
> selecting
>     delegates to the Reform Party’s 2000
> Presidential Nominating
>     Convention.
>
>
>         The mandatory state committee meeting isn't
> until after the
> precinct committeepeople have chosen their county
> and state senatorial
> district officers and committeepeople in any case.
> Since I don't see
> much, if any, possibility of this state committee
> meeting being anything
> other than the nomination of Pat Buchanan according
> to schedule, I fail
> to see much to be gained by spending $50 in gas and
> a day of time
> or risking eating balony sandwiches for 30 days in
> the People's Republic
> of Columbia jail for contempt of their contemptable
> county kort.
>
>     What do you think?  I might risk it if Joe Nix
> or Marvelene want to
> carpool and try to keep a low profile, but I don't
> think there is that
> much interest.
>
>
> --Martin Lindstedt
> Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> I previously wrote:
>
>
> >    On to business.  I am wary of going up to the
> People's
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I checked out Pat Buchanan's WWW page.  He is not scheduled to be
at the state convention April 29th.

    This changes things a bit.  No need to spend money I simply do not
have, much less risk eating Imperial balony sandwiches in the county
gulag if I can't go autograph hunting.  I probably can contact the
congressional candidates and offer to help them campaign on the Internet
via inexpensive WWW page by writing them a proposal via snail-mail.

    I will write the state chairman explaining the circumstances behind
my not being able to drive 230 miles one way and ask that as a county
chairman who will win the primary election for precinct committeeman,
along with Roxie, that the election results held in Newton County
showed that 0 voted for Collins, 0 for Hagelin, 0 uncommitted, and 34
for Pat Buchanan.  Jasper County, a larger county, had 3 Collins, 1
Hagelin, 19 Buchanan and 2 uncommitted.  McDonald County had 1 for
Collins, 0 for Hagelin, 11 Buchanan and 0 uncommitted.  I live in
Newton County and I account for 10 votes for Buchanan from my family
and 4 supporters who wouldn't have even voted if I hadn't asked them
to just go to the polls and vote for Buchanan.  I was also vocal in my
support for Buchanan, but I am only counting the votes of nine people
who told me that they did as I asked them.  I don't know where the other
24 votes came from.

     The point is that the 32d state senatorial district of Newton, Jasper,
and McDonald Counties voted overwhelmingly for Pat Buchanan.

See:  http://mosl.sos.state.mo.us/sos-elec/presprimaryreport.pdf
       Page 4 of 6

     4 Collins 1 Hagelin 64 Buchanan 4 uncommitted -- 64 out of 73.
That's close to 90%.  And I don't think that anyone ran for precinct
committeemen in Jasper and McDonald Counties, so according to Missouri
statute I am a lead-pipe cinch to be Newton County Chairman and likely
the 32d Senatorial District Chairman and state committeeman as well.

    So what I want done is to help Buchanan reap his primary win in the
32d Senatorial District, even though I doubt that anyone in the district
is going to have the money to go to the National Party Convention.  I was
hoping that I would have some sort of proxy vote for the voters in this
district, the 64 out of 73 voters who voted for Pat Buchanan to help elect
a delegate committed to Pat Buchanan to the National Convention.


     According to Buchanan's WWW page:
  http://www.gopatgo2000.org/new/articles/squitieri_buchanan_nomination.htm


                  The Reform Party's nomination process is unlike
                  those of Democrats and Republicans.

                  The party will hold an election in June in which
                  practically anyone in the USA can request a ballot
                  and vote by mail or e-mail.

                  However, the party has been holding caucuses to
                  select delegates to its convention. If a candidate
                  corrals two-thirds of the delegates, he can
                  override the decision of the voters.

                  Buchanan has been methodically collecting
                  delegates to ensure his nomination. Once he gets the
                  nomination, the party and his campaign "will
                  soar like the Rockettes," he said.

     In Missouri, there was a primary, not a caucus held.  Buchanan
got roughly 10 times the votes for Collins, Hagelin, and uncommitted.
Buchanan probably could file suit and win if he was challenged.

     Also Buchanan's National Party Chairman, Pat Choate, won in federal
district court over the Ventura remnants.

See:   http://www.gopatgo2000.org/new/articles/Choate_seeks_unity.htm

     I think that the Missouri Reform Party has no choice but to embrace
Buchanan even if we wanted to go against the express wishes of 75% of the
Reform Party rank-and-file voters, which is both wrong and idiotic.
Buchanan is going to be the nominee, and so it would be best if the
Missouri Reform Party sent a Buchanan delegation to the National Reform
Party Convention.

     Since I don't have the money to attend the state convention without
hardship, and since Buchanan has won, and since all that is on the agenda
is the election of national delegates from Missouri, I don't see a great
need for me to attend this state convention.

      See:  http://missouri.reformparty.org/convention.html

     The Reform Party of Missouri has scheduled its 2000 national
     delegate selection convention for April 29 at 1:30 p.m. in
     Columbia, Missouri. The state convention will be held at the
     Boone County Government Center (801 East Walnut) in downtown
     Columbia. The main item on the agenda will be selecting
     delegates to the Reform Party’s 2000 Presidential Nominating
     Convention.


         The mandatory state committee meeting isn't until after the
precinct committeepeople have chosen their county and state senatorial
district officers and committeepeople in any case.  Since I don't see
much, if any, possibility of this state committee meeting being anything
other than the nomination of Pat Buchanan according to schedule, I fail
to see much to be gained by spending $50 in gas and a day of time
or risking eating balony sandwiches for 30 days in the People's Republic
of Columbia jail for contempt of their contemptable county kort.

     What do you think?  I might risk it if Joe Nix or Marvelene want to
carpool and try to keep a low profile, but I don't think there is that
much interest.


--Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator




      =================================================================
I previously wrote:


>    On to business.  I am wary of going up to the People's Republik of
>Kolumbia, especially to the Boone Kounty Publik Building because there
>may be a warrant out for my arrest because I've told the Boob Kounty
>Circus Kort that I'd rather eat balony sandwiches for a month for
>contempt of kort than pay them $550 some dollars for their little show
>trial for trespassing at my LibberToonian Party Lynch Mob back in 1997.
>However, I think it requires my presence as a candidate for u.S.S.A
>Senator to attend this political meeting.  Also, GoPatGo! is supposed
>to be present, and I would like to work for the nod, or at least
>neutrality for my 'extremism.'

>    See:  http://members.xoom.com/m_lindstedt/molpcost.html

>    I got my family to vote for Buchanan and called up a few friends to
>get them to the polls to vote as well.  Also, I would like to meet my
>primary opponents and see what the deal is, and what I am facing.  Also,
>I would like to make myself useful to the Congressional candidates by
>offering to help them get a cheap WWW page on Xoom up and running.
>I help the other Reform Party candidates and help build the Reform
>Party and my good works might help me do well.

>   So I am definitely thinking I need to get up there, although I
>don't like the expense and the danger of arrest.  I don't know that
>there is a warrant out, the Kolumbia Police State may well decide
>that they don't need me eating their baloney sandwiches and cranking
>up in forma pauperis fedrule civil rights lawsuits while their guest.
>Speaking of which, the lawyer assigned me by the u.S. 8th Circus has
>got her reply brief cranked out against the City of Granby, so I'd
>not be losing anything except some heavy-duty tedium and additional
>notoriety if I was to eat some Imperial baloney sandwiches.


>    I was wondering if we could come to a carpooling arrangement.
>Also, if we were to go up there early, I could offer floorspace
>or couchspace at my brother's widow's house north of Jeff City at least.
>I think that the presence of the 'front-runners' would help all of us
>in a contested primary.



--Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for u.S. Senate

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Since this bounced from the mpankey2000@...
e mail I suppose I must be signed up for this over
here.   So after it has been around the block a bit
hopefully it will arrive to the egroup.

In January, 1999 God showed me I would be meeting in
person with leaders from several states.   I didn't
believe it possible then suddenly last October Bekki
Cook sent an e mail saying she wished I could be at
a meeting in KC.   I didn't see the message until one
day of the meeting was over.   I walked into that
meeting at Crown Center realizing the January
happenings certainly were coming true in part.
Although treated like royalty or something while there
I still left wondering why I had actually been
invited.

However, this may have been the why---once I saw the
presidential debates audience stats I knew I had to
try to persuade some of the SOS to step forth in the
least demanding the opinion poll factor be dropped
from the criteria.

Will be interesting to see if anything comes of this
request.  MP
> > >
> >
> > --- Marvalene Pankey <mpankey2000@...>
> wrote:
> > > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:59:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Marvalene Pankey <mpankey2000@...>
> > > Subject: NASS AND VOTER PARTICIPATION
> > > To: cookb@...
> > >
> > > Dear Bekki:
> > >
> > Last October I welcomed the opportunity to accept
> > your invitation and attend the last day of the KC
> > meeting with you and several of your fellow NASS
> > members and other interested persons.  Having
> > listened to those discussions as part of NASS's
New
> Millennium Project;studied the NASS Survey of
American Youth Attitudes on Politics, Citizenship,
Government,and Voting;  discussed voter apathy, etc.
with you several times, and attempted to help you put
together dynamic Missouri Citizenship Centers for our
state; I want to believe some of our nation's
secretaries of state are very sincere about wanting to
increase voter participation, not only for youth but
for citizens of all ages.
> > >
As you know the Commission on Presidential Debates
is insisting ratings in opinion polls shall determine
who can participate in the presidential and
vice presidential debates.   As you also are aware
many
> > people certainly do not trust opinion polls as
being honest nor a true measure of the voting public.
People who are difficult to convince to vote
because they figure their vote will not be properly
counted certainly will feel even more powerless with
such a ruling.   Youth especially do not like to see
big bullies trying to walk all over the so called
little guy.   Common sense tells anyone the major
parties must feel threatened by alternative party
candidates or there would not be such rulings.   The
public has a right to know and hear from all the
candidates who get their party's nomination.
> > >
> What I had not realized until the Reform Party of
> Missouri newsletter this week was the dramatic
> drop in voter interest in the presidential debates
from 1992 to 1996.   In 1992 when Clinton, Bush, and
Perot were included in the three debates, the viewing
audience was 85, 89, 97 million while in 1996 with
only Clinton and Dole the audience dropped to 46.1 and
  36.3 million for the two debates. (You may check this
on line http://www.debates.org under history.)
Perhaps some would find it difficult to find any
correlation between the debate audiences and the
actual voter turnout at the polls on election day, BUT
  the fact is even one voter not going to the polls
SHOULD BE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE CONCERNED if we
  are actually committed to free and fair elections.
  Obviously the more people who watch the debates the
  better informed the voters can be.   But, these
  figures are dramatically demonstrative of a key
  factorin the apathy that exists.   People do not
  want an unlevel playing field and expect all
candidates to be treated fairly.   I believe NASS and
individual secretaries of state have an obligation to
do all in their power to try to insure that does
occur.
> > >
I therefore want to plead with you to lay aside
partisan politics and party loyalties and as an
individual secretary of state formally contact the
FEC and the Commission on Presidential Debates and ask
> > that the opinion poll factor in the criteria for
> > participation in the debates be dropped, and that
> > you further ask NASS as an association and your
> > fellow secretaries of state individually to ask
that voter
> > participation and an informed voting public be
> > encouraged by not using any opinion poll to
> > determine who can participate in the debates.
> (I, of course,hope you will take a similar stand in
> regards to Missouri debates for U.S. Senate,
Governor, etc. and will encourage that all candidates
of the parties qualified to be on the ballot be
allowed to participate.) Please take the time to make
a
difference in this most important matter.
> > >
> > Marvalene
> > >
> > P.S. Hopefully I'll send you an Easter greeting
> > sometime tomorrow or before Sunday at your home e
> > mail address.   Wouldn't want you to find it AFTER
> > Easter.
> > >
> > >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Kline <rk4gov@...>
To: <mo_reform_party@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mo_reform_party] LWV Candidate Survey


> Martin what you have said is true.  There are other ways to call a Bastard
a
> Bastard with out calling them a Bastard.  For instance when you are
speaking
> to a Bastard you can call them a Hebrews 12:8.  I would have droped the
use
> of white Christian and used Christian, but it is your message.  I do
> understand your frustration about the lack Christian Boldness.  I have
> prayed for Holy Boldness for all of Gods sons and daughters, their going
to
> need it in the future.  I am prepared for a day of purium, I actually look
> forward to it.  Your up against a lot of money.  Your opponents are
rolling
> in it.  We could run our campaigns just on the interest that money could
> generate.  I am just as angry as you are about the dammage that has been
> done to our country, remember what Jesus said to the desciples," be wise
as
> serpents".  Keep the Faith.
> Maranatha
> Richard Kline CGR 04-18-2000
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@...>
> To: LWV Site-Grynaviski <egrynavski@...>
> Cc: <mo_reform_party@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:47 AM
> Subject: [mo_reform_party] LWV Candidate Survey
>
>
> > Martin Lindstedt
> > Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate
> > 338 Rabbit Track Road
> > Granby, Missouri 64844
> >
> >
> >                        April 15, 2000
> >
> > The League of Women Voters
> > 8706 Manchester Road
> > Suite 104
> > St. Louis, Missouri 63144-2724
> >
> > Re: Candidate Survey
> >
> > Dear League:
> >
> > I will include a print-out from my campaign WWW page for a photo.
> >
> > Below is my Campaign Statement:
> >
> >       White Christian America is dominated by an Evil Imperial
> >       New World Order in which the first order of business is to
> >       destroy White Christian America as a nation, a faith, and a
> >       race.  The current Democratic and Republican Party
> >       Establishment is in on this genocidal conspiracy.  Us rural
> >       and small-town Whites cannot do anything about the urban and
> >       suburban Democrats. But we can destroy the right-wing of the
> >       Imperial vulture which oppresses us by voting for White
> >       Nationalist Reform Party candidates like myself, or merely
> >       staying home and boycotting the Evil Empire's fake
> >       elections.  After destroying our false 'friends' we can
> >       treat the Evil Empire openly as an illegitimate occupational
> >       regime.  Once the right wing of the Imperial vulture is
> >       thoroughly plucked out, that bird will no longer fly.  Then
> >       the Republican Party will either have to join the Reform
> >       Party as the major political party for White America, or
> >       face political extinction and irrelevance.  White Christian
> >       America will no longer be fooled or betrayed by false
> >       friends who would sell us out with a kiss like Judas
> >       Iscariot and deliver us up bound, gagged and gelded to our
> >       racial and religious enemies.   (193 words)
> >
> >   I have kept this statement within 200 words.  I do not mention
> > personally any other candidates at all, much less negatively.
> > Therefore, I request, that as promised, that the League of Women
> > Voters, does not edit or correct my campaign statement.
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> >
> >
> > Martin Lindstedt
> > Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator
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**  Last Kings, Chapter 1  **

      A LITTLE UNDER THREE MILLENIA AGO, A PROPHET  named Elijah struggled,
at God's behest, with the government of his day, one ruled openly
by kings. These Israelite kings promoted the worship of a new god,
the nature god Baal, to enhance their power. It wouldn't do for their
people to attend the holy days at Solomon's temple in Jerusalem. They
might want to reunite with their brothers, the Jews. So the new state
god, Baal, was established, and woe unto anyone who followed the old
ways. Worship of the LORD became synonymous with treason. What I am
going to write about is Elijah's run-in with the King and the police
forces of his day, as mentioned in II Kings, Chapter one.

     IT MIGHT BE A PRETTY GOOD TALE, the reader might say. But what
has that to do with today? Glad you asked.
     In the best literary traditions of Geoffrey of Monmouth, Joseph
Smith, Robert Graves, and Gary Jennings, I must, simply must, relate
what happened to me the other day.
     I was turning up my garden to bury a duck when an angel appeared
unto me and made me dig up a pot with a scroll inside. There, in the
ancient Hebrew, which I was all of a sudden able to understand, was
the expanded first chapter of II Kings. The angel commanded me to
publish it. So I did, then the angel took off with the scroll and
my understanding of ancient Hebrew. I'm going to put it in today's
vernacular: Angry White Male Redneck-Peckerwoodese. Here goes:

			  Last Kings, Chapter 1

      Verse 1 -- Then a whole bunch of pissed-off people called Moabites
rebelled because they wouldn't put up with any more of the King's
shit and they sure weren't scared of Ahab's boy.
      Verse 2 -- And the King fell off the bed and through a lattice
in the White Palace while screwing his latest whore, and his right
and third leg just wouldn't heal. So he sent messengers and told them,
"Go, ask Baalzebub, the Philistine State God of Healing at Ekron,
if this is just another sore and when I'll get better. I sure feel
my pain."
     Verse 3 -- But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite,
"Get up and go down to meet the messengers of the king and tell them,
"What! There's no God in Israel that you gotta go down and lick the
bronze butt of Baalzebub, Philistine State God of Healing in Ekron?"
     Verse 4 -- "Now the LORD says this, "Your pecker will turn black
and fall off. Then you will die of frustration because of no more
bimbos and because you lie so much that nobody will bother to listen
to you anymore. Plus the Queen will nag you to death." Elijah nodded,
then left.
     Verse 5 -- And when the King's messengers returned, the king asked,
"Back so soon?"
     Verse 6 --  They told him, "Some holy geezer pestered the shit out
of us and he told us to come back and tell you this: "The LORD says,
"Is there no God in Israel that you gotta kiss Baalzebub's bronze
ass in Ekron? Your pecker will turn black and fall off. No more whores,
everyone will ignore you because you lie so much. The queen will nag
you to death. You will die of frustration."
     Verse 7 -- "Who was that mean old holy geezer?" the king asked.
     Verse 8 -- And they answered him, "He was a hairy guy, with a girdle
of leather about his nuts." And the king said, "Elijah, the Tishbite!"
     Verse 9 -- Then the king sent a captain of fifty with his fifty agents:
the King's Bureau of Wine, Hashish, and Swords, the King's Bureau of
Investigation, the King's Sneakret Service, the King's Marshalls, a whole
alphabet soup of King's goons. The captain, a slick young thug, saw Elijah
sitting atop a hill. Scattering his men in a circle around the hill, the
captain held a pair of shackles as he climbed the hill saying, "Don't
mess with me. I killed a whole bunch of weavers in their hut, speared them
all in the back. My best man shot an arrow into the wife's head. We are
the King's men and we will never be held to account." As he neared Elijah,
the captain said, "Now you had better cooperate with me and the King, you
smelly old man of God, or I'll slap a harelip on you faster than you can
say "Police Brutality."
     Verse 10 -- And Elijah rolled his eyes, shook his head, and said
to the young police thug commanding fifty, "If I be a man of God,
then let fire come down from heaven, and consume you and your fifty
murderers." With a Whoosh!, fire came down from heaven, burning to
death fifty-one murderous King's rascals.
    Verse 11 -- Then the King sent out another chief goon of fifty with
his fifty. The captain, a grizzled old killer, looked at the remains
of the previous fifty-one and said, "Funny, I thought we were the
only ones allowed to besiege people on private property, then burn
them to death. No matter," he said as he drew his sword. 'The King
wanted you two hours ago, so get your nasty old man-of-God ass right
down here -- now!"
    Verse 12 -- And Elijah answered and said unto them, "You murderous
pigs won't learn, will you? Very well then, if I be a man of God,
let fire come down from heaven, and consume you and your fifty." And
the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
     Verse 13 -- And the king sent again a captain of the third fifty
with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty saw the damage about
the hill. He soiled his armor. So did the rest of the King's men.
It's a whole lot more fun to kill unarmed civilians than to be killed
yourself. The captain crawled up the hill like a scared snake, and
came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said
unto him, "Oh man of God, I pray you, please, please, please let my
life, and the life of these fifty of your servants, be precious in
thy sight." Then the king's bureaucrat peed in his armor again.
     Verse 14 -- "I see that there came fire down from heaven, and burnt
up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore
let my life now be precious in thy sight. To hell with the rest. Even
though I set fire to the King's tower the other day and roasted some
of the King's men and serving women and their babies, and blamed it on a
Moabite in a speeding oxcart carrying a load of manure, an unregistered
dagger, and no road tax license from the King. It's not all my fault.
I had the help of the scribes and town criers, S.O.B.s (Sons of Belial)
all, who helped me put the blame onto the rebellious Moabites. The
common people didn't want to find out any different, because they
lack the physical and moral courage to do anything about it. It ain't
fair that I should burn without all my crooked buddies getting the
same as well. Everyone knows that the King can do whatever he wants."
     Verse 15 -- Elijah wanted to call down fire on this rapscallion and
his lot. But the angel of the LORD said unto Elijah, "Go down with
him: be not afraid of him. He and his fifty will get the same fate
on earth as the King and his family -- serving as dog and bird food."
So Elijah arose, and went down with him unto the king, keeping a twenty
pace margin upwind.
     Verse 16 -- And Elijah said unto the King, "Thus saith the LORD,
forasmuch as you have sent messengers to brown-nose to Baalzebub,
Philistine State God of Healing in Ekron, is it not because there is no
God in Israel to inquire of his word? Therefore you shall not come down off
that bed you lie on and every place else for that matter. Your pecker
will turn black and fall off. You will die of frustration because
there will be no more whores for you. Nobody will listen to anything
you say, especially after today, and the Queen will help nag you to
death. I've had enough of you." Then Elijah left the White Palace.
     Verse 17 -- So the king died according to the word of the LORD which
Elijah had spoken. Nobody missed him except the whores and other Sons
of Belial, (S.O.B.s) and even them not too much.

     AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE WAY IT WAS. Ahab's line came to an
end when a rebellious general named Jehu killed Jehoram. Jehu ordered
Queen Jezebel thrown out of a window, and before he got around to
burying her, the dogs ate all of her except her head, hands and feet.
Jehu killed all of Ahab's children, Ahab's State-God Priests, and
Ahab's Kingsmen, at least all that he could find. Since Jehu did such
an efficient job of it, God promised him that his dynasty would last
four generations. God kept his word. Regrettably, Jehu soon turned
out to be as wicked as Ahab's bunch. God got tired of the Israelites
and he allowed the Assyrians to take them away in captivity, where
they were scattered and never heard of again.

    THREE THOUSAND YEARS HAVE PASSED, and people still remain the same.



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    Originally published in the April-May 1995 Issue #11 of "The
Southwestern Missouri Libertarian."  HTML WWW page edition at:

     http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/swmob11.html#Last_Kings
     http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/lastking.html

    I reprint this article on April 19th of every year so as to show that
the nature of Evil Empires and of ruling Houses of Ahab have not changed
one bit in three thousand years.  The House of Clinton and Hillary is not
one whit different than the House of Ahab and Jezebel.  I pray the LORD
God will send us a General Jehu to bring us a cleansing Revolution as
opposed to scattering the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel again.


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Martin what you have said is true.  There are other ways to call a Bastard a
Bastard with out calling them a Bastard.  For instance when you are speaking
to a Bastard you can call them a Hebrews 12:8.  I would have droped the use
of white Christian and used Christian, but it is your message.  I do
understand your frustration about the lack Christian Boldness.  I have
prayed for Holy Boldness for all of Gods sons and daughters, their going to
need it in the future.  I am prepared for a day of purium, I actually look
forward to it.  Your up against a lot of money.  Your opponents are rolling
in it.  We could run our campaigns just on the interest that money could
generate.  I am just as angry as you are about the dammage that has been
done to our country, remember what Jesus said to the desciples," be wise as
serpents".  Keep the Faith.
Maranatha
Richard Kline CGR 04-18-2000
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@...>
To: LWV Site-Grynaviski <egrynavski@...>
Cc: <mo_reform_party@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:47 AM
Subject: [mo_reform_party] LWV Candidate Survey


> Martin Lindstedt
> Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate
> 338 Rabbit Track Road
> Granby, Missouri 64844
>
>
>                        April 15, 2000
>
> The League of Women Voters
> 8706 Manchester Road
> Suite 104
> St. Louis, Missouri 63144-2724
>
> Re: Candidate Survey
>
> Dear League:
>
> I will include a print-out from my campaign WWW page for a photo.
>
> Below is my Campaign Statement:
>
>       White Christian America is dominated by an Evil Imperial
>       New World Order in which the first order of business is to
>       destroy White Christian America as a nation, a faith, and a
>       race.  The current Democratic and Republican Party
>       Establishment is in on this genocidal conspiracy.  Us rural
>       and small-town Whites cannot do anything about the urban and
>       suburban Democrats. But we can destroy the right-wing of the
>       Imperial vulture which oppresses us by voting for White
>       Nationalist Reform Party candidates like myself, or merely
>       staying home and boycotting the Evil Empire's fake
>       elections.  After destroying our false 'friends' we can
>       treat the Evil Empire openly as an illegitimate occupational
>       regime.  Once the right wing of the Imperial vulture is
>       thoroughly plucked out, that bird will no longer fly.  Then
>       the Republican Party will either have to join the Reform
>       Party as the major political party for White America, or
>       face political extinction and irrelevance.  White Christian
>       America will no longer be fooled or betrayed by false
>       friends who would sell us out with a kiss like Judas
>       Iscariot and deliver us up bound, gagged and gelded to our
>       racial and religious enemies.   (193 words)
>
>   I have kept this statement within 200 words.  I do not mention
> personally any other candidates at all, much less negatively.
> Therefore, I request, that as promised, that the League of Women
> Voters, does not edit or correct my campaign statement.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
> Martin Lindstedt
> Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator
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338 Rabbit Track Road
Granby, Missouri 64844


                        April 15, 2000

The League of Women Voters
8706 Manchester Road
Suite 104
St. Louis, Missouri 63144-2724

Re: Candidate Survey

Dear League:

I will include a print-out from my campaign WWW page for a photo.

Below is my Campaign Statement:

       White Christian America is dominated by an Evil Imperial
       New World Order in which the first order of business is to
       destroy White Christian America as a nation, a faith, and a
       race.  The current Democratic and Republican Party
       Establishment is in on this genocidal conspiracy.  Us rural
       and small-town Whites cannot do anything about the urban and
       suburban Democrats. But we can destroy the right-wing of the
       Imperial vulture which oppresses us by voting for White
       Nationalist Reform Party candidates like myself, or merely
       staying home and boycotting the Evil Empire’s fake
       elections.  After destroying our false ‘friends’ we can
       treat the Evil Empire openly as an illegitimate occupational
       regime.  Once the right wing of the Imperial vulture is
       thoroughly plucked out, that bird will no longer fly.  Then
       the Republican Party will either have to join the Reform
       Party as the major political party for White America, or
       face political extinction and irrelevance.  White Christian
       America will no longer be fooled or betrayed by false
       friends who would sell us out with a kiss like Judas
       Iscariot and deliver us up bound, gagged and gelded to our
       racial and religious enemies.   (193 words)

   I have kept this statement within 200 words.  I do not mention
personally any other candidates at all, much less negatively.
Therefore, I request, that as promised, that the League of Women
Voters, does not edit or correct my campaign statement.

Sincerely yours,


Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator

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Thanks for sending onto the listserver your press release.  That is
what the Mo_Reform_Party listserver is expressly set up to do.  It is open
to all Reform Party candidates.

--Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senator

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At 07:51 PM 04/17/2000 -0500, Richard Kline wrote:


Letter to the Editor/ News Release

Richard Kline

General Delivery

Gipsy, Mo. 63750 Ph# 573-495-2302 E-mail rk4gov@...

WEB www.richardkline.com

Reform Party Candidate for Governor of Missouri

Have you noticed that every election year the Democrats and the Republican
candidates jump on the meth problem in our State? It is called creating a
crisis and then finding a compromise to solve the situation. Well lets talk
about that and let us see if there is a lie to be found.

After the meth bust the clean up crew is called in to clean up the meth
lab, sounds reasonable. The clean up is done at considerable expense,
costing several thousands of dollars with much show and pretence, not so
reasonable. Then these sly and crafty individuals put like items together.
batteries with batteries, aresol cans with aresol cans, plastic with
plastic, etc. etc. Then they wrap each group individually, neatly,
professionally again with pomp and circumstance.

Now comes the lie that they will not tell you, they throw the whole mess in
the same county dump, they do not burn it like normal people would do.

You should also note that these same politicals do not address the problem
of why our youngsters use meth. Nor do they address rehabbing the meth
user. Nor do they give conclusive ways to eliminate meth. Could it be that
the Federal money to be gained is worth more than the sobrity of our
children.

You should also know that meth is the hardest of all drugs to kick. Knowing
this than one should think that the politicals would do everything in their
power to eliminate the meth problem.

The Sheriff of your County is the highest elected official of your County
and it is time to let the Sheriffs do their job. The Sheriffs have complete
authority over all other law enforcement.

Remember folks if they will lie to you they will steal from you.

Maranatha

Richard Kline CGR sent 04-17-2000

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At 02:44 PM 04/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Did you get a one page flier from First Vote
>Foundation, mailed from SOS last week asking for web
>site, etc.????

     Yes, I did.  I didn't know Bekki Crook was screwing that
particular pooch though.


I'm just wondering if they really
>sent to all candidates with such an UNFINISHED AND
>POORLY DONE WEB SITE?    That originally was to have
>been the heart of the Missouri Citizenship Centers
>project BC and I were working on with the retired
>judge, etc. BEFORE Info. Now Tech stole the contract
>and her Deputy Shyster set out to destroy everything.
>All that is really there, aside from the poor section
>titles is they took SOME of the Links I had suggested
>amidst all the other hours, upon hours of developing
>it and put them in their long list to maybe be
>scrolled
>by two or three people sometime.  And would you
>believe it actually does look a bit better than the
>original disaster Deputy Shyster tried to push off
>with a Missouri flag desecrated and she kept insisting
>"we" would add "witch's music" to.   Don't you wish
>you
>could get paid $3000 minimum for a contract for
>such a go no where web site?

     It looks pretty shitty for even paying a wonk with Micro$haft
Front Page to design billboardware.  Richard Kline got a far better
deal for $500 than Bekki Crook got paying $3000 in taxpayer funds
over.  Of course, the idiotic Missouri State Manual, which should
be able to be corrected, is an even worse example showing that
techno-reactionary politicians think that electronic publishing must
follow paper publishing, when that is most definitely NOT the case.


>I still love it where on the Mo. Democrypts page you
>can type in Gaw though and it will take you to VoteNet
>where his photo will come up for the Mo. House page,
>but before it does that they tell you he is running
>for
>U.S. Cong. from Alabama or somewhere, forgetting all
>about Mo.   As my chief Dem. opponent I like the idea
>you can also type in my name on the Mo. Dems. page and
>go right to my website.   I have no idea how any of
>that happened, but find it hilarious that it has or
>had--I haven't checked today, but it was that way
>early Sat. a.m.

     The hyperlinks are to all over the place.  Internet WWW pages are good
-- but only if they are well done, and looking at them none of them are
done at all.

    I filled out the League of Women Voters survey and mailed it off
Saturday.  Should arrive in St. Louis by Monday.

     Check my survey out at:

     http://members.xoom.com/m_lindstedt/senator00.html


--Martin Lindstedt
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At 06:46 PM 04/07/2000 -0700, you wrote:

    And, I am most certainly pleased to see that you have joined the
21st Century and got hooked up to the Internet.

    The crappy Western Digital hard drive on my new computer is headed
south and so I have been busy transferring data to my old computer
and onto CD-ROM that I haven't answered my snail and e-mail promptly
and haven't been working on WWW pages either.  In fact, I still haven't
gotten around to cashing your $30 check, but I did get one of my color
flatbed scanners to work on an old computer.  I am pleased that I have
three Pentium class computers to switch around.


>Martin, here's a review of changes I contemplate in my new
>site:
>
>1.  delete the paragraph about Gephardt (2nd par., 1st pg.)

     OK.  After all, you are running for governor, not Third District
Kongress-kritter.

>2.  change the platform to my new one]

     Agreed.  And you DO NOT wish to change certain items, but rather to
leave them as you wrote them initially.  I see your point and I agree.
Not that it is necessary that I agree as after all this is your political
campaign.

>3.  fix the bug that causes clicking on my short essay, 16th
>amendment is void, to go to the platform instead of to the
>essay.

     I will change the hyperlink.

>4.  correct the phone numbers in the long essay,
>314-230-5440 should now be 636-230-5440 (new area code).

     OK.  I heard something about St. Louis having a new area code.



>None of the other phone numbers have changed.


>5.  Say, "If a response is desired, write or call.  For
>messages needing no reply, email me at" etc.

      I could put that in a "mailto:" hyperlink.  Question.
Wouldn't it be better to have people e-mail you as opposed to
having them call or write you?


>Now that I can send email, I'd like to email masses of
>potential Missouri voters.  I need to get email addresses.

      Generally, it doesn't work that way.  People tend to get pissed
at getting unsolicited e-mail, particularly from politicians.  It is
self-defeating to send unsolicited e-mail to voters, as they can take
retaliation by voting against you.


>It doesn't matter to me who they are as long as they're
>grouped in categories.  For example, if you emailed me a
>list of physician's email addresses, I could send them all a
>brief message inspiring them, or the secretary who looks at
>the email, to vote for us.

     That is the reason for political e-mail being sent, like Pat Buchanan
WWW page does it, by putting a link to a e-mail listserver so as to give
supporters news of the campaign, requests for funding, etc.  The e-mail
addresses thus gained are typically sent direct mail.

     This is why Internet campaigning usually includes a WWW page, a
listserver, and then direct mail followup.  Direct mail costs money.
Internet campaigning costs time.

     I set up a Reform Party listserver for everyone in the Mo Reform
Party to use.  I might well set up a Martin Lindstedt 4 U.S. Senate
listserver as well for my own campaign.


     Use the following addresses to talk to:

      Joe Nix              nixit@...
      Marvelene Pankey     mpankey@...



>I'm planning to send a photo eventually.
>
>Sinc., Joe K.

     Yes, please send me a color photograph when you can.

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A Letter To The Editor

      I was nearly fooled into voting "yes" for a program of
higher taxes to pour concrete for a consolidated middle
school for the East Newton educational complex, but further
reflection changed my mind.  Here is how I dispelled their
self-serving shibboleths:

      Space:  In their program for a $5,900,000 tax increase,
their "fact sheet" put out specifically says that it would
cost $700,000 alone just for the construction of each middle
school.  Two times $700,000 costs only $1.4 million.  That
is a lot less than $5.9 million.  And, if it is a matter of
simply closing off the street and building here, there
is more than sufficient ground there to construct a two-
story with basement middle school in Granby.

      In fact, there is not even a need for construction.
The old Chester clinic nearby could be purchased through
eminent domain and its two-story stone structure refurbished
for classroom space.  The trailers can be phased out if
necessary.  In no case is bussing Granby children to a
consolidated middle school necessary when there is plenty of
present space and buildings available already, waiting to be
used wisely.

      State blackmail:  I hear the whining about how the
State will take over our local schools.  I ask, "What
difference does it make if the school board is filled with
quislings ready to sell out Granby any time some state
education bureaucrat clears his throat with the next
demand?"  If the State Board of Education wants a
consolidated middle school, then let them pay for it.  Why
should we pay for unnecessary construction to keep our
children warehoused in?

      Property values will rise and we will have more growth.
Rising property values have meaning only for those willing
to sell out and move elsewhere.  Those of us content to live
here find that low property values mean lower taxes.  Why
pay higher taxes to generate higher property values to in
turn pay even higher taxes?  Remember the 1977 property tax
re-evaluation?  Building a lot of unnecessary school
infrastructure might well mean immigration to this area that
Don Tyson ought to be paying for.

      Last April they asked for $5 million, this year for $6
million.  How about telling them that we don’t want
consolidation and unnecessary construction?  Next year, let
them ask for $2 million to be spent in the local community,
instead.  For now, me and my house shall say "NO."

Martin Lindstedt              (398 words in body of text)
338 Rabbit Track Road
Granby, Missouri 64844

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At 06:06 PM 03/28/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>I'll join your list once I get back home and settle
>in a bit.  I still have a lot more I plan to do also.
>Gotta get off these library computers.   I saw Pat
>B. do the c span 2 gig today---it reruns.   I would
>have actually called, but they failed to run
>the numbers while I was looking.  Later.

    Sure, I'll send you an invitation to your yahoo address.  Then
you can respond and get on pretty much automatically.

    If you want, I could add your new WWW page to the URL list that
these egroups.com listservers have.  By the way, I have a home-built
AMD K2-6 450 with a 56K modem connection, and your page took me over
thirty seconds to access.  The reason is all them banner ads and the
streaming java-scripts and the need to collect most of them outside
the home page from across the Internet.  I'd dump at least five of
those banner pages and the loadup time would be cut by 2/3ds at least.
Just a suggestion.

     http://www.maxpages.com/pankey2000


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http://mosl.sos.state.mo.us/sos-elec/primary0800filedcand.html

    I went up to Jefferson City to file for U.S. Senator yesterday.  I
guy named Smith that us SW Missourians know filed for governor as a
Constitution Party candidate just after I finished.

     I suspect that Curt Frazier will run for U.S. Senator today, like
they did back in 1998.  The only other offices left are for Attorney
General and for State Treasurer.  They have a candidate filed for Sec.
of State.

    I am hoping that Marvelene Pankey will run for Secretary of State.
But that means that we need a State Treasurer candidate as well.  It
is probably too late to find some lawyer willing to run for Attorney
General.

    The Constitutional Party is getting its few activists running for
statewide office because it needs to get at least 2% in the general
election to maintain ballot access -- as do we.  I have no doubt that
the deacons of their little civic political church are refunding the
filing fees.  I see no evidence that they are running any other local,
state or federal offices, which is probably because they have not much
of an organization or candidates left other than to strive to maintain
ballot access.

    I think we need to get some warm bodies to Jeff City before the 5:00
p.m. filing deadline and if necessary, we need to offer to return some
of the $200 filing fee if that is a problem. There simply is not room
on the 4-5% of the protest vote for two minor conservative political
parties, and so either or both the Constitution and Reform Party will
go under.  It costs about $40,000 to get $10,000 petition signatures
to form a new political party on the Missouri ballot, and so the question
of refunding filing fees will have to be brought up later in state
committee.

    Simply find some bodies which meet requirements, and then, later on,
they can withdraw and we can replace them after the filing season closes
with some more willing candidates.  I am sending this to the
Buchanan people because Pat may wish to run again in 2004 and he will need
a working Reform Party to run on in Missouri.  Maybe they can find us
some bodies.

     I got home a few hours ago from Jeff City.  I'll be here in case
anyone needs to call or e-mail.  Thanks.


--Martin Lindstedt
Reform Candidate for U.S. Senate
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I made an Internet telephone call to the Treasurer Tim Barnhart,
and he assured me that there is a Reform candidate for State Treasurer
who is going to file today, and that Marvelene Pankey is expected to
file for Secretary of State.

    There are three U.S. Congressional Districts, the 6th, 8th, and 9th
which are not covered as yet.  Mr. Barnhart impressed me with his
knowledge that one does not need to be a resident to those districts
in order to run, only a resident of Missouri, and that Gephardt hasn't
lived in Missouri for years.

    I suppose it is too late to find a lawyer to run for Attorney General.
Oh well, a minor thing.

    I'd like to thank the State Reform Party leadership for being on top
of things and covering the bases this year.  I've been in other minor
political parties before, and this steady competence is something I can
indeed grow used to real quickly.


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At 09:21 PM 03/26/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>I have read your letter with great interest.  Welcome to the fray.  We may
>be making history in the near future.  Lets hope so.  Off to the fourth
>district tomarrow.  Richard Kline CGR Reform Party Candidate for Governor of
>Missouri.  03-26-2000

     Well Richard, you seem to be working real hard on winning the primary.
I read your WWW page and it certainly is worthwhile and up to date. I
especially appreciate your keeping up with the issues of the day by means
of putting up your WWW page and updating your press releases.

     I support my friend Joe Keller right now, but I will support you if
you win the primary.

     Would you wish to join the listserver mo_reform_party@egroups.com ?
If you did join, then you would have another outlet in which to post
your press releases and WWW page upgrades.  You could add your WWW page
to the URL list and in turn put up a hyperlink on your WWW page.

Martin Lindstedt
Reform Candidate for U.S. Senator



>----- Original Message -----
>From: Martin Lindstedt <mlindste@...>
>To: <Lewin236@...>
>Cc: <mo_reform_party@egroups.com>; Joseph Keller
><jk4gov_mo2000@...>; <press@...>; <info@...>;
><webmaster@...>; Missourians for Buchanan <jwbrunner@...>;
>Richard Kline <rk4gov@...>
>Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 12:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Hello from Reform Party Chair
>
>
>> At 09:57 AM 03/25/2000 EST, you wrote:
>>
>> >Martin,
>> >    It's good to hear from you, and I am glad you are planning to run for
>> >U.S. Senate.  The filing deadline is this Tuesday, of course.  It's also
>> good
>> >to hear that you appear to have some web-site building skills, because
>that
>> >is something that will be very helpful for third parties and their
>> candidates
>> >this year.  I'm sure that's one of the things we'll discuss when our
>paths
>> >cross this year, because I know I need to establish a free standing
>Missouri
>> >RP web site in addition to the pages on the national web site.  I will
>look
>> >forward to your filing in the next several days.  You might also consider
>> >filing for a county committee man position if you are interested in the
>> >governance of our party.  We very well may refund $50 to persons who file
>as
>> >committee persons in the St. Louis area, because the filing fee is much
>> >greater there than in other areas  Thanks.
>> >        Bill Lewin
>> >        MIssouri RP Chair
>> >
>>
>>
>>     I am glad to hear from you.  It has been my sad experience that minor
>> political parties are infested with the notion that they must seek
>absolute
>> control with the end result being that no political party is ever built
>> from the grass-roots up.  I have learned this is the case from the
>> LibberToons, the USTP/Constitution Party, and the never-built Southern
>> Party.  When small-minded people decide to control matters the end result
>> is that a political effort dies because it is unable to spread beyond that
>> small group, as there is nothing in it for someone trying to join a closed
>> club.
>>
>>    I was pleased to see on March 2 that the Missouri Reform Party is so
>> far above to such petty disputes and that its current  party membership
>> is willing to grow.  I assure you that the Missouri Libertarian Party
>> and the Mo USTP have refused to learn this lesson, so as a matter of
>> fact they shall become irrelevant.
>>
>>    I shall be going up to file on Monday or Tuesday for Senator as a
>> Reform Party candidate.  Marvelene Pankey will doubtless run for
>> something, but it is too soon to tell with her.  She will probably
>> wait until the last minute to see what is up, then file for something.
>>
>>    I had my girlfriend run for Sheriff on the Reform Party ticket and we
>> filed to become committee people from Granby on the Reform Party ticket.
>> I have decided to abandon committee positions for the Libertarian and
>> USTP parties since I failed to get my brother to run this year and Rich
>> Doyle decided that he doesn't need the hassle of running for judge as a
>> non-lawyer.
>>
>>    I am of the opinion that in 2002 since there is no statewide office
>> except auditor available that the Reform Party shall have to by default
>> run local candidates.  Therefore, I think it shall be necessary to waive
>> filing fees as an inducement to get candidates up to Jefferson City to
>> file.  The MoLP used to do such an intelligent thing in order to find
>> new political talent and nurture it back in 1994.  They stopped doing
>> such a thing because they wished to constrain me (and now unauthorized
>> others) for running for office back in 1996.  As a result, the MoLP is
>> forced to run tired old retreads and they largely lack new blood running
>> for state representative.  A minor party needs organization and they need
>> fresh candidates.  In neither the MoLP or the MoCSTP one cannot find
>hardly
>> any fresh faces trying a repeat of running for office.
>>
>>    I agree that there needs to be a refund of the $100 filing fees for
>> committee people from St. Louis and KC.  I think it should be more than
>> $50, but that is a matter for the state committee to debate and decide.
>>
>>    I am willing to help work on a free-standing WWW page for the Missouri
>> Reform Party and to help link WWW pages for the various candidates.  I
>> support Joe Keller right now because he has supported me, but I am
>> pleasantly impressed with Klein and the work he has had done on his
>> WWW page.
>>
>>        I have opened up a Mo Reform Party e-mail listserver on
>> e-groups.com because I think it is necessary for the politically active
>> to debate policy before state committee meetings and as an e-mail forum
>> which the public and press can study and participate in.  The candidates
>> can post their press releases and defend their individual platforms. The
>> Reform Newsletter can be published electronically as well.  The Missouri
>> Libertarian Party has had such a listserver up for several years, but
>> all they accomplish with it is "I'm a bigger Toon than you" foolishness
>> and conflict.  While all listservers and usegroups are liable to this
>> sort of thing, I notice that the Reform Party seems to have a more
>> mature class of people in agreement with the need to reform and constrain
>> the current "Empire, Not a Republic" to modest nationalistic levels.
>>
>>    See: http://www.egroups.com/group/mo_reform_party/info.html
>>
>>    I'll send you an invitation to join this group, of course, and ask
>> the Buchanan, Collins, and Hagelin people if they wish to post their
>> press releases to this listserver as well.  I'll invite Joe Keller via
>> his hotmail.com address to join, and invite Klein and the other guy as
>> well when I find their e-mail address.  It is a public listserver so that
>> the press and others can read the messages.  I think this listserver can
>> reach critical mass once it gets 100 members.
>>
>>    In the interests of not having to moderate it too close, I've put up
>> a policy where members can post automatically.  I've found out the hard
>> way that letting anyone post without becoming a member means becoming
>> victim to e-mail bombing and spamming for unwanted services like porn
>> sites and chain letters.
>>
>>
>> Martin Lindstedt
>> Reform Candidate for U.S. Senator
>>

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At 09:57 AM 03/25/2000 EST, you wrote:

>Martin,
>    It's good to hear from you, and I am glad you are planning to run for
>U.S. Senate.  The filing deadline is this Tuesday, of course.  It's also
good
>to hear that you appear to have some web-site building skills, because that
>is something that will be very helpful for third parties and their
candidates
>this year.  I'm sure that's one of the things we'll discuss when our paths
>cross this year, because I know I need to establish a free standing Missouri
>RP web site in addition to the pages on the national web site.  I will look
>forward to your filing in the next several days.  You might also consider
>filing for a county committee man position if you are interested in the
>governance of our party.  We very well may refund $50 to persons who file as
>committee persons in the St. Louis area, because the filing fee is much
>greater there than in other areas  Thanks.
>        Bill Lewin
>        MIssouri RP Chair
>


     I am glad to hear from you.  It has been my sad experience that minor
political parties are infested with the notion that they must seek absolute
control with the end result being that no political party is ever built
from the grass-roots up.  I have learned this is the case from the
LibberToons, the USTP/Constitution Party, and the never-built Southern
Party.  When small-minded people decide to control matters the end result
is that a political effort dies because it is unable to spread beyond that
small group, as there is nothing in it for someone trying to join a closed
club.

    I was pleased to see on March 2 that the Missouri Reform Party is so
far above to such petty disputes and that its current  party membership
is willing to grow.  I assure you that the Missouri Libertarian Party
and the Mo USTP have refused to learn this lesson, so as a matter of
fact they shall become irrelevant.

    I shall be going up to file on Monday or Tuesday for Senator as a
Reform Party candidate.  Marvelene Pankey will doubtless run for
something, but it is too soon to tell with her.  She will probably
wait until the last minute to see what is up, then file for something.

    I had my girlfriend run for Sheriff on the Reform Party ticket and we
filed to become committee people from Granby on the Reform Party ticket.
I have decided to abandon committee positions for the Libertarian and
USTP parties since I failed to get my brother to run this year and Rich
Doyle decided that he doesn't need the hassle of running for judge as a
non-lawyer.

    I am of the opinion that in 2002 since there is no statewide office
except auditor available that the Reform Party shall have to by default
run local candidates.  Therefore, I think it shall be necessary to waive
filing fees as an inducement to get candidates up to Jefferson City to
file.  The MoLP used to do such an intelligent thing in order to find
new political talent and nurture it back in 1994.  They stopped doing
such a thing because they wished to constrain me (and now unauthorized
others) for running for office back in 1996.  As a result, the MoLP is
forced to run tired old retreads and they largely lack new blood running
for state representative.  A minor party needs organization and they need
fresh candidates.  In neither the MoLP or the MoCSTP one cannot find hardly
any fresh faces trying a repeat of running for office.

    I agree that there needs to be a refund of the $100 filing fees for
committee people from St. Louis and KC.  I think it should be more than
$50, but that is a matter for the state committee to debate and decide.

    I am willing to help work on a free-standing WWW page for the Missouri
Reform Party and to help link WWW pages for the various candidates.  I
support Joe Keller right now because he has supported me, but I am
pleasantly impressed with Klein and the work he has had done on his
WWW page.

        I have opened up a Mo Reform Party e-mail listserver on
e-groups.com because I think it is necessary for the politically active
to debate policy before state committee meetings and as an e-mail forum
which the public and press can study and participate in.  The candidates
can post their press releases and defend their individual platforms. The
Reform Newsletter can be published electronically as well.  The Missouri
Libertarian Party has had such a listserver up for several years, but
all they accomplish with it is "I'm a bigger Toon than you" foolishness
and conflict.  While all listservers and usegroups are liable to this
sort of thing, I notice that the Reform Party seems to have a more
mature class of people in agreement with the need to reform and constrain
the current "Empire, Not a Republic" to modest nationalistic levels.

    See: http://www.egroups.com/group/mo_reform_party/info.html

    I'll send you an invitation to join this group, of course, and ask
the Buchanan, Collins, and Hagelin people if they wish to post their
press releases to this listserver as well.  I'll invite Joe Keller via
his hotmail.com address to join, and invite Klein and the other guy as
well when I find their e-mail address.  It is a public listserver so that
the press and others can read the messages.  I think this listserver can
reach critical mass once it gets 100 members.

    In the interests of not having to moderate it too close, I've put up
a policy where members can post automatically.  I've found out the hard
way that letting anyone post without becoming a member means becoming
victim to e-mail bombing and spamming for unwanted services like porn
sites and chain letters.


Martin Lindstedt
Reform Candidate for U.S. Senator



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Hi,

  This egroups listserver is for those interested in the Missouri Reform Party.

Cheers,

Martin Lindstedt
Reform Party Candidate for U.S. Senate