... John-- I don't know what else I can say about this to convince you. The fact that Aratus *does* use an abstract armillary sphere as his basic framework for...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 1, 2000 11:38 pm
... Antonio-- a catalyst is by definition a *new* element, something not present previously that sparked a new development. If the new development that we're ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 3, 2000 10:16 am
Salve Nathan ... present ... we're ... wil ... activity ... So you are saying that sometime around the 1st century BCE or AD, someone took a "catalyst"...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 4, 2000 12:57 am
... Antonio-- you've got your dates wrong. Hipparchus discovered the precession around 125 BC, so there were not "hundreds of years" between Hipparchus's ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 4, 2000 10:12 am
Salve iterum Nathan ... to ... 125 years!!!! I think it is a long time, but we will discuss it below. ... normal ... Lets suppose you are right. ... after ... ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 4, 2000 8:27 pm
Salvete Thinking, thinking... Joining all pieces together... I've built another theory for the Mithraic cosmology. I've added something about the precession so...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 5, 2000 9:34 am
Salvete ... allow ... Until now, it seemed that Iuppiter was a bad guy. I'm now starting to change my opinion on the relationship between Iuppiter and Saturnus...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 5, 2000 12:32 pm
Salvete Lets suppose that Iuppier fights Saturnus. I've joined another piece. It is the grade Leo, protected by Iuppiter. A verse of Sta. Prisca says: "Accipe...
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Richard Eney
dicconf@...
Jul 5, 2000 6:02 pm
... This is a late version, and very much contaminated by Mesopotamian dualism (e.g., the idea that the Titans, as Zeus' enemies, necessarily were "evil".) In...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 5, 2000 6:17 pm
Salve Richard ... Exactly! Orphic is the keyword. I believe that the symbolism of Mithraic iconography relies heavily on Orphic elements. The most clear...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 5, 2000 7:00 pm
Salve Gratias multas tibi ago, Sacerdos Isidis. ... In fact the symbol of the sistrum also appears in the Mithraic Mysteries as an attribute of the grade of...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 6, 2000 12:15 am
... Antonio--it looks like I'm not going to be able to convince you that the discovery of the precession would potentially have had a startling effect on ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 6, 2000 9:41 am
Salve iterum ... I see the power in that. I admit that as a "proof", the precession could have been important. But how do you explain that so little attention...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 6, 2000 1:52 pm
Salvete iterum Only some careful thought I propose for your meditation and research. The iconography of Mithras can be best understood under the light of ...
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Dena Holman
denancenter@...
Jul 6, 2000 2:42 pm
"Antonio Grilo" wrote: Cosmology of Mithras - a new old theory ... I know in Egyptian thought scorpion men guarded various gates-- but how did you come up with...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 6, 2000 5:29 pm
... From: Chad Kieffer <ckieffe@...> To: NovaRoma-Isis@egroups.com <NovaRoma-Isis@egroups.com> Date: Quinta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2000 18:25 Subject:...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 7, 2000 12:28 am
... Antonio-- you need to do more research into current scholarship on Orphism and Pythagoreanism, as well as Egyptian religion. The most important point here...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 7, 2000 9:30 am
Salve Nathan ... Egyptian ... I know! I've only read Guthrie on Orphism and scattered texts on Egyptian religion. ... reincarnation ... ANCIENT ... Greece ... ...
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Dena Holman
denancenter@...
Jul 7, 2000 4:12 pm
In the ancient caves where hunting scenes are depicted you will sometimes see an image of a crow (or crow man). This figure as I understand it was supposed to...
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john.wallace@...
Jul 7, 2000 4:46 pm
Howdy everybody...back from the hooneymoon and ready to inflict an overdue epic post on everyone. ;-) I've actually read all the posts I've missed while gone...
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john.wallace@...
Jul 7, 2000 10:59 pm
Nathan, You stated in respect to Aries and the knees of the bull: "What Aratus is describing here are the first two constellations (or parts of constellations,...
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Peter Clark
peter_clark47@...
Jul 8, 2000 9:56 am
Jane and Dick all I can say is this is FANTASTIC (sorry for shouting but I was really ecxited when I saw it. I intend to print out all the Greek and Ia frind...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 10, 2000 9:51 am
Salvete Does someone want to comment on the following, which was written by a sacerdos isidis Novae Romae: "the traditional egytian year began toth 1st (july...
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john.wallace@...
Jul 10, 2000 4:06 pm
A standard question for the precession theory(ies) is why did it take 200+ years to form a cult. A comparative look at Christianity would place a cult ...
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Hagar Qim
gino.de.cauwer@...
Jul 10, 2000 9:07 pm
Hi, I have been lurking for some time now (although I contributed earlier), but I decided -for once- to break the silence for sharing a surprising story I just...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 11, 2000 12:06 am
... John-- I don't understand you here. When you say "But why is the celestial equator circle described not as distinct *points*" did you make a mistake and...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 11, 2000 12:19 am
My last post got cut off at the end. It should have read-- ... John-- I don't understand you here. When you say "But why is the celestial equator circle...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 11, 2000 1:17 am
... You need to read E.R. Dodds' THE GREEKS AND THE IRRATIONAL and M.L. West's THE ORPHIC POEMS before going out on your shaky Orphic/Egyptian limb. While ...
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bluesphinx@...
Jul 11, 2000 1:22 am
... Remember that Plutarch says the pirates of Cilicia were already practicing the mysteries of Mithras in 67 B.C., only 60 years or so after Hipparchus's ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jul 11, 2000 9:43 am
Dear Nathan and John ... Nevertheless, there is yet no evidence for the Tauroctony in the Cilician cult. And every deacription of the Cilician cult SEEMS to...
