Salvete I've been somewhat silent, but not because my interest on Mithraic research has vanished. In fact I've been learning and complementing my past theories...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 5, 2000 1:56 pm
Antonio, Could you please post where Roger Beck published (if he has) his critique of Ulansey's theory? This seems to be the biggest news regarding Mithraic ...
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Antonio Grilo
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Jun 5, 2000 2:22 pm
Salve John ... of ... As far as I know, Dr. Roger Beck has not published any direct critique of Ulansey's theory, though he supports a critique recently made...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 6, 2000 9:51 am
Salvete omnes I've been reading "Mithras Platonicus" by Robert Turcan. It is really inspiring. Remember that 8-state ladder described by Celsus (referred by ...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 6, 2000 3:52 pm
Antonio, The majority of Mithraic iconography seems to focus on Mithras' life or the tauroctony but there does not seem to be an icon that underscore an ...
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Antonio Grilo
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Jun 6, 2000 4:21 pm
Salve John Thank you for your "ramblings". Some represent my own doubts. ... Intriguing indeed. But you forgot one central piece of sacred literature which...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 6, 2000 4:32 pm
Sorry.. ... What I mean is Orphics have influenced the Stoics. The Stoics and Neopythagoreans could have influenced the Mithraists. Valete Antonius Gryllus...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 6, 2000 5:35 pm
Antonio, Thank you for the thoughtful response, but of course I have a few questions: 1. How is the Sassanid/Persian Mazdeism bull-slaying myth related to the...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 6, 2000 6:03 pm
Salve iterum ... one ... I confess I don't know where Cumont has found his Myth. I could not find it on the Avesta. ... How do you define "later...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 6, 2000 7:03 pm
Salve iterum ... I'm sorry! You were referring to the older influences from Alexandria (Hipparchus, etc.) referred by Ulansey. Well, they could have had their ...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 6, 2000 7:40 pm
Thanks for the insight on Zoroaster and the point on Ulansey and Aries. One last question and then I'll stop pestering you today. The snake in the tauroctony...
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Antonio Grilo
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Jun 6, 2000 8:40 pm
Salve iterum ... at ... he ... Well, in my opinion, the Leontocephalus and coiled Snake are best identified with the constelation Ophiuco, also known as...
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otto.muller
otto.muller@...
Jun 7, 2000 12:35 am
Please unsubscribe me. I'm all Mithraised out. I'm going back to worshipping John Wayne. Thanks for the highly thought-provoking conversation...
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cassius622@...
Jun 7, 2000 2:05 am
In a message dated 6/6/00 6:02:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, otto.muller@... writes: << Please unsubscribe me. I'm all Mithraised out. I'm going back...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 7, 2000 10:18 am
Salve John Yesterday you have raised the interesting question: As a parallel with the Christians, if the Mithraists believed the Apocalypse, where is its...
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Dena Holman
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Jun 7, 2000 3:01 pm
I am wondering if anyone can answer these questions... Q1 Have you seen Castor identified as Apollo? Q2 If so, can you tell me the original source for Castor...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 7, 2000 3:06 pm
Antonio, In your last message you mentioned the quandary of whether Mithras was about an individual's escape to the empyrean or rather if Mithras was in...
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Dena Holman
denancenter@...
Jun 7, 2000 3:31 pm
The myth of Ahriman killing the bull I believe is found in Persian Mythology by John R. Hinnells. The question is -- what does it symbolize? Merely an ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 7, 2000 3:41 pm
Salve John ... about ... Exactly. One of the possibilities is surely correct. ... Thank you for posting his reply. ... moving ... and ... Traditionally, the...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 7, 2000 5:10 pm
Antonio, I'd like to focus on your following statements, broken down into enumerated problems (in parentheses): "But an interesting problem arises... Mithras...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 7, 2000 5:26 pm
Salve iterum John ... I agree. ... Well, this is the first place where I difer from you and Ulansey (we had to difer on something =), right?). My hipothesis is...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 7, 2000 7:24 pm
Antonio, You stated it was not necessry for an initiate to be reborn at the world's axis since "(T)he initiate should be re-born at the wound of Taurus." But ...
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SHAW SHANNON
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Jun 8, 2000 5:16 am
I also am going to have to sign off of here...(i will do it properly!!) I am moving and will have to cancel my internet for a while. Thank you all for the most...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 8, 2000 9:10 am
Salve John ... do ... Yes, I think so. To be sure, I will expose briefly what I think is the way of ascesis: 1) Start (this does not exclude the hipothesis of...
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john.wallace@...
Jun 8, 2000 4:49 pm
Antonio, The problem of the soul's sequence through the celestial spheres is that there are 3 versions: 1. The 8 stepped ladder with doors that was shown to...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 8, 2000 6:27 pm
Salve iterum John ... I can reduce it to two. Sequence 1, the stepped ladder was presented by Origen in "Contra Celso" as being written by Celsus. As a...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 8, 2000 7:08 pm
Salve John I will not be here until Monday, so I will not be able to answer your postings until then. Have a good weekend. Vale Antonius Gryllus Graecus...
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Peter Clark
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Jun 12, 2000 9:48 am
Is it my machine or have things been rather quiet recently? Perhaps I have the cyberspace version of BO! Regards Peter ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Jun 12, 2000 4:06 pm
Salvete This weekend I've continued my readings of "Mithras Platonicus" as well as the papers by Roger Beck. Although the model that John and I have built ...
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J. T. Sibley
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Jun 12, 2000 5:11 pm
... It's been rather quiet of late. I've been rather busy: an uncle died two weeks ago, I am frantically getting a manuscript ready for publication ("Norse ...
