Hi ... in ... water ... his ... I include the cosmologic mosaic of Merida in attachment. The figures at the top are Saeculum (with a staff like Saturnus) and...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 1, 2000 9:53 pm
Antonio, Unfortunately the Merida scan was illegible but I was able to follow you pretty much through the text of your message. I'm on board with most of this...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 2, 2000 10:39 am
Hi John ... There are 2 independent treaty icons. The first is between Iuppiter and Saturnus. This occurs before the tauroctony. The second is between Mithras ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 2, 2000 11:38 am
Hi again Then here is another proposal: The Mithraic myth is an adaptation of the Orphic myth. Iuppiter takes the power from Saturnus and fulminates the...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 2, 2000 4:32 pm
Antonio, I'll respond to both of your posts here: 1. "Two treaties" - Strasbourg supposedly shows Saturn giving Jupiter the thunderbolt before the...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:10 pm
Hi John ... John, my scan is perfectly legible. Why don't you try opening it with another program. Maybe you are seeing it reduced. As to the CIMRM I still...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:12 pm
Hi again Another relationship between Mithras and Saturnus is the knife, which is a reminder of the sickle (remember the images where Saturnus holds the knife ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 3, 2000 9:35 am
Hi again John Lets explore another possibility: Mithras is an agent of Saturnus. The Orphic myth says that in order to overcome Saturnus, Iuppiter devoured ...
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Levente László
mithridates@...
Nov 3, 2000 4:08 pm
Salvete ... fallen ... is the ... Titanic ... race is ... It is possible that the Mithraic exclusion of women was influenced by this thought. This exclusion...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 3, 2000 5:46 pm
Antonio, In general I believe you are looking at the Orphic material as too much of a blue-print for the Mithras cult. The definite Orphic element in the...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 3, 2000 6:53 pm
Hi John ... a ... Mithras ... man ... egg ... There are more similarities: - The identification of Chronos with constellation Draco. - The salvation through...
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wgafwjwd@...
Nov 3, 2000 9:51 pm
Does anyone on this list have an opinion on Julius Evolas work on Mithras (The Path to Enlightenment According to the Mithric Mysteries). I just finished...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 6, 2000 1:41 pm
Salve Victorine ... It is indeed a possibility. Nevertheless, there might be another more practical reason related to the myth of Mithras itself. Remember that...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 6, 2000 6:39 pm
Hi This weekend I've meditated on everything that we have discussed last week. John, I've considered your use of Hesiod and compared it to the Orphic Rapsody....
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 6, 2000 10:07 pm
Antonio, I don't disagree with your story but I'm still trying to come to grips with how Saturn precisely fits into the story. I studied all of Vermaseren's ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 7, 2000 1:00 pm
Hi John Yesterday I've performed more research and I found that I'm right (=)) for a number of reasons. 1 - We have been referring the fulinated figures as the...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 7, 2000 6:08 pm
Antonio, Thanks for providing the explanation for why Saturn holds the harpe/falx. I think this is a key piece in the puzzle. Some questions for your other...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 7, 2000 7:05 pm
Salve John Well, your ideas seem to be even more complex than mine =). I'll try to answer according to my last theory, which I now believe piously to be quite ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 7, 2000 7:42 pm
Hi John Here is my evidence for the fact that Saturnus gives the harpe to Mithras at the level of the stars. See the top scenes of the reliefs, where Mithras...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 7, 2000 7:59 pm
Hi John ... Forgot another problem: - Mithras' birth is clearly the birth of a primeval God. How do you explain it? For me it's easy: Mithras is an avatar of...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 8, 2000 12:40 am
Antonio, I'll respond to all of your posts here: * "young Mithras in front of a Saturnus that resembles the leontocephalus (he seems to be telling Mithras...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 8, 2000 8:00 am
Hi John You have still not commented my quote of Arnobius when he speaks of the lion-headed God with the "name related to fruits/crops". Scholars use to employ...
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Payam
payam.mohaghegh@...
Nov 8, 2000 9:47 am
hi, can anyone help him? all my images are also low resolution... thanks Payam ... Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:22:04 -0800 From: Ali Kazemi...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 8, 2000 1:12 pm
Hi John Forgot some info upon which I base my claim of the saturnine aspect of the leontocephalus. Besides Arnobius (Adversus Nationes, 7.10), we have also the...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 8, 2000 5:03 pm
Antonio, * "While the leontocephalus appears alone, Iuppiter-Serapis does not." NOT TRUE: Look at CIMRM 40 for instance. [whoops - saw your retraction in...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 8, 2000 6:53 pm
Hi John ... For me, this corresponds to the snake coiled around Phanes/Leontocephalus, specially when it is associated with zodiacal signs. I think that for a ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 8, 2000 7:08 pm
Hi John ... texts) ... So, I've never heard of Agathos Daimon as "soul". Agathos Daimon sems to have been more associated to the Divine Spirit of the Creator. ...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 8, 2000 8:30 pm
Antonio, Attached are scans from Jane Harrison's book "Themis" (highly recommend this work). I've broken the selected images into appropriate Greek and Roman ...
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Antonio Grilo
amg@...
Nov 8, 2000 8:48 pm
Hi John Thanks for the info and pics. I can see that the Greek Agathos Daimon is very similar to the Roman Lar, which can be an evidence for Greek influence in...
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Wallace, John
john.wallace@...
Nov 8, 2000 9:15 pm
Antonio, I don't know why you want to restrict the meaning of the entwined snake as just "solar time" or Draco. As the Harrison scans show the snake was ...
