I'm selling a mini book, but any buyer has a choice of more than 10
books to choose from and the winning bidder can buy the rest for the
opening price! See my auction at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=1449&item=3228353576

Joshua

I was notifies by one of our members that he could not access the
miniature auction for my mini's with the link I gave in the last
email. I would like to therefore suggest to all members that they try
the following:
Go to Ebay and in the search box type: "Miniature Psalms Kabbalah".
This should lead you straight to this auction. In the auction I make
the offer that the winning bidder can buy any or ALL of the mini
books (12 in the picture and hundreds more in my stroage) at the same
opening bid price as the current auction, i.e.$5. It's worth a look!
Joshua

Dear friends!

We are preparing for the Toronto conclave under unusual circumstances. Among
other  previously existing apprehensions, the SARS hysteria  really put 
Conclave XXI in jeopardy. Fortunately this seems to be behind us, but I don't
know how lasting an impact this had on how many people. The power of
misinformation is monumental ! I can only say to you what I said before, that
there is no risk (and never was a risk) of acquiring SARS on the streets of
Toronto! The city is alive and well and safe and  as  vibrant as ever. As I am
writing this, 15,000 librarians are here for the American Library Association
meeting. Book people are feisty and  don't fall into the trap of mass hysteria!
I would hope  the same can be said  about members of the Miniature Book Society
.

Why am I writing this? Because I have no indication at this moment, whether
registrations  will be around the customary 100  or  25. If the latter is the
case, we can't have a conclave. At this point I have about a dozen of
registrations, most of them came very soon  after the April  Newsletter
appeared. These are individuals who obviously wanted to express early  their
committment and support  for the Conclave.  The Board never considered
cancellation of the Conclave, nonetheless if attendance would be below a certain
arbitrarily determined critical level, that is exactly what we would have to do.
I am entering the stage where more detailed organizational moves have to be made
and  I am  reluctant to do that without  having some  rough idea of anticipated
attendance. I need to have some indications from most of you if you intend to
come to the Conclave.

So, I am asking you to send in your registration forms soon if you  intend to
come. If  you worry about money, I don't mind if you postdate your cheque to
august 31. The hotel registration, of course, doesn't cost you anything.

Since this E mail group reaches only a fraction of MBS members, I would
appreciate if you could spread  this message to  others whom you know.

Thanks  and best regards:

Paul  Devenyi






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Paul...I apologize for waiting so long (it's easy not to do anything) but I
do want to let you and others (who are also sitting on their hands), know that
Anna & I are looking forward to the Conclave and will be forwarding our
reservations very shortly. We're giving some thought to expanding our stay with
a
visit to Nova Scotia.  We've not been there before. Paul, taking on the
considerable responsibility of organizing a Conclave deserves everyone's support
and
we appreciate your having assumed that considerable task.  I have a hunch that
now that we are at the point of decision,  you'll be receiving lots of email
commitments.   Phil & Anna Morrison

Dear Paul and Mary - Please do not get too concerned yet.  When we planned
the conclave here in Cincinnati we were operating under the shadow of the events
of September 11th the autumn beforehand.  Many people didn't want to travel
anywhere and didn't want to stay in a hotel of any height.  In the end the
event was a success.  Best wishes, Gabrielle Fox

Thanks to all of you who responded to my message a few days ago and expressed
support for Conclave XXI and indicated your intention to attend. For those
fainthearted  - who were not  comforted  by personal  reassurances - please take
notice that as of today the World Health Organization OFFICIALLY  declared that
the SARS outbreak in Toronto is over.  I suspect that your media are not as
eager to  report this news as  they were when SARS cases occurred.

I have a delightful surprise announcement to make. Today I received registration
from Glen Dawson and his daughter Susan!   It is wonderful that after the loss
of his beloved wife Mary Helen, Glen  is ready to return  to the MBS and
conclave circuit. Most of you know, of course, that Glen Dawson is an
extraordinary bookseller, collector, publisher and scholar of  miniature books.
And a delightful person as well!  Glen's presence will make Conclave XXI special
indeed!

Paul Devenyi



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Hallo, dear friends,

We wish you Happy Summer!

Jan and Jarmila Sobota



Jan and Jarmila Sobota
Sklenarska 5/3
357 33 Loket
Czech Republic

Tel: 352 685 130
www:jsobota.cz
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We are having a debate on what a book is. Please add your thoughts here. query
for today ---. Is this artists book a "book" ?



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Date: 07/10/2003 08:20:56 PM
Subject: is this a "book"

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Sorry. I thought I attached Dream Spiral. You  can find it at
www.galleriamia.net. Look under artists books and you'll find it listed last on
the list.




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I don't consider it to be a book.   It lacks two key elements that make a
book a book --- a cover and pages.   And, the fact that it's apparently a
one-off weakens the argument of it being a "book."

In my opinion, it's a sculpture.

Donn

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Sorry. I thought I attached Dream Spiral. You  can find it at
www.galleriamia.net. Look under artists books and you'll find it listed last
on
the list.




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Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I'm very partial to Ed Hutchins' essay, "What is a Book". The Dream Spiral
could definitely be called a scroll - while the text is on copper plates its
layout could certainly be linked to the way text was laid out on scrolls
like the Torah.

To quote Ed's article, "Some people say that a scroll is a scroll and a book
is a codex. I think it is more accurate to say that a scroll is a scroll, a
codex is a codex, and they both have a lot of bookness to them".

You can read his article in its entirety at:

http://www.artistbooks.com/editions/wiab.html

Roberta

Roberta Lavadour
Pendleton, Oregon
paper@...
http://www.missioncreekpress.com

Is a curved assemblage that incorporates a few words a book or an
assemblage? It might be a scroll but in my opinion it is not a book.
Yet, the content of a scroll is a linear sequence structured to be "read" in
a single direction. Here intended direction is ambiguous. So, its a roll not
a scroll. I vote for it being pigeonholed as a rolled assemblage.
A book is a container. This isn't. No distinct cover. No discrete "pages."
Perhaps we are about to see any creative construction of similar scale
marketed as "artists books!"

When M. Vänçi Stirnemann originated Artist Trading Cards, regarding
thickness, he indicated that they should look like "cards."

As they might say in Texas, "Its a rolly-polly paper thang!"

Mel


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I wouldn't say that a scroll is a book in the sense of the word,
but a predecessor of books.

But I would define the spiral book we are talking about as a book
object.

Angelika

I want to weigh in on this subject. I don't think this is an inside or
outside of the box issue. The book is a very large and loosely defined medium.
There
are many kinds, sizes and shapes of books, a whole spectrum of things, from
what artists make to what Readers Digest condenses. I think the valuable
discussion is about what qualities of a book does a thing have, where on a
spectrum
of bookness does it fit: from the altered book to literary book, from
letterpress to writing to code, from a shaped leather binding to a metal box,
etc.,
does the thing fit. In pursuing this discussion we will create categories of
books and a scroll can be seen as a scroll book, a paperback novel as a mass
produced book, a book written and illustrated by one person as an artist's book,
etc. My categories need to be better defined and I will appreciate any help in
this regard.

Peter Thomas

In considering an "artist's" book, our expectation is likely to be that any
conventional use of the word "book" is (because it is "art") unconventional.
So, in this context, the word begins to describe a category of art and to a
lesser degree its function as a book. However, I think that it is reasonable
for the function of the object (book) to be considered even within an
"Artist's Books" genre or art.
A book of matches describes a collection of discrete items. Structurally,
one can even write on each match and push their utility to that of pages...
specifically because there are many of them.
Although it may not be a very good protector, the first "page" of a book can
function as its "cover."  So, having a specialized covering is not essential
to book function. The structural characteristic of grouping content
sequentially (page function)... revealing of information over time seems
most essential to book function.
As others have implied, since a spiral form does not present the content in
"chunks," it does not have the feel of a book but does have the feel of a
scroll.
It also might be reasonable to ask why this art work is in a gallery of
"Artist's Books." I can easily envision the same work being included in an
exhibition of paper sculpture.

-today's spiraling vortex of thought-
Mel


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Interesting discussion.



The image is found here:

http://www.galleriamia.net/ArtBinding7a.htm



When I first saw the Dream Spiral, I didn't question whether it was a book,
because it was labeled as an artist's book.  But now I've been thinking
about it some more.



One aspect of "bookness" is this, that a book is designed to be experienced
in the context of time.  And further, the artee, so to speak, must interact
with the book by turning the pages or lifting the flap or rolling the
scroll, to see the next part of the book.  (This might no hold if there was
a mechanized page-turner that did the work for the viewer.)



In order to see all of the Dream Spiral, the viewer must move around.  But
that's true of sculptures too.



So I'm wondering what makes Dream Spiral a book and not a sculpture.  Or is
it a sculpture?



The poems on the etched copper plates don't, of themselves, make it a book.
Consider the picture book which has no words.  Consider the wall poster
which has words but is not a book.



I'm still considering.



Regards,



Beth Lee

Tallahasee, Florida



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website:  mywebpages.comcast.net/callibeth



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I want to weigh in on this subject. I don't think this is an inside or
outside of the box issue. The book is a very large and loosely defined
medium. There
are many kinds, sizes and shapes of books, a whole spectrum of things, from
what artists make to what Readers Digest condenses. I think the valuable
discussion is about what qualities of a book does a thing have, where on a
spectrum
of bookness does it fit: from the altered book to literary book, from
letterpress to writing to code, from a shaped leather binding to a metal
box, etc.,
does the thing fit. In pursuing this discussion we will create categories of

books and a scroll can be seen as a scroll book, a paperback novel as a mass

produced book, a book written and illustrated by one person as an artist's
book,
etc. My categories need to be better defined and I will appreciate any help
in
this regard.

Peter Thomas




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Just checking. I'm surprised there've been no messages since I joined
a couple of weeks ago. Just want to see if this one shows up.

I have just learned that on dec 13 the Doll and Toy Museum of NYC is going to
hold an antique and modern toy show and sale in the Brooklyn Marriott.

The members of the miniature book society and friends are invited to
participate
by exhibiting and selling miniature books.

I'm thinking that this might be fun to do. Would anyone like to join me?

Neale M. Albert





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The Japanese Paper Place is definitely not to be missed if you are going to
the conclave in October.  I think you can catch a public bus from the hotel for
a short trip to the shop and a slightly longer trip to the warehouse where
they have regular exhibitions.  It is heaven for paper people and so much of it
is perfect for miniature books.

Can anyone give us more specific information?  Which bus to catch?

www.japanesepaperplace.com

Gabrielle Fox

Greetings everybody,  I have been a member for a while but not had a reason to
post until now.  I make miniature books primarily for the dollshouse fraternity.
They are all one twelfth scale but are made as "Open Books".  I realise that
this would horrify the purists among you, but never-the-less the books are all
properly sewn and bound and all have leather covers (the leather so fine you can
see through it if you hold it up to the light).  Whilst I am here, I invite you
to have a look at my web site, (which I enjoyed building myself).  The stamp
album may be of interest to some of you as is is not an "Open Book". 
http://www.bbminiatures.homestead.com
I would welcome your comments in my guestbook!
However, this is not the primary reason for my post.  I received the following e
mail and promised George that I would post it to this forum as I know some of
you may be interested.  Thanks for your time, Best wishes, Barbara B from South
Africa

Hello,
  george@...

I'm George Varnyu from the town Ada, in province of Vojvodina. It is in the
former Yugoslavia now Serbia & Montenegro. The town is near the Hungarian
border.
By profession I'm printer and bookbinder, and works together with my wife
Valerie.
Through many years we are printed and bound a lot of miniature books, and after
we are build our miniature book collection. Now we will decide to sell the
collection. Some volumes are sold, but still we have more than a thousand
volumes in collection mostly from Hungary and the artist Mr. Andrusko who is
specialised in wood engravings. Many volumes of him are printed from the
original wood-blocks in letterset.
I found your web site of the miniature books on the internet, it seems that you
are interested in the field of miniature books.
Beside the books which are described and offered for sale in our catalogue, we
have more duplicates of some volumes.
The Catalogue we can send you in PDF-file as an attachment to the e-mail, of
course if you are interested in.
Thank you in advance for your eventually interest.

Sincerely,
George Varnyu






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What a delightful way to spend some time this morning , looking at your
website. I must have one (or more) of your books, but it will take me a
few days to decide among the morsels!

Normally I'd send this directly to your email address, but I think the
list needs a little action, so it's going to everyone.

Lavinia Adler

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Jan Kellett and I have booked a hotel a short distance from the Conclave
hotel (a lot less expensive). We are looking for a third roomie to further cut
our
costs.

If you are interested and a non smoker, drop me an e-mail (jtimm@...).

Jill


Jill Timm
Mystical Places Press
Handcrafted artist books,
one of a kind and small editions,
miniature and not so miniature.
www.mysticalplaces.com

MY MOTHER HAS 2 MINIATURE BOOKS.  WE ARE WONDERING IF THEY ARE WORTH ANYTHING. 
THE FIRST ONE IS IN ENGLISH AND IS TITLED "THE MERHCANT OF VENICE" .  IT HAS A
DEDICATION IN THE FRONT COVER SAYING"
EDITHS'1ST BOOK - 1917".  THE 2ND IS IN FRENCH AND IS TITLED "JOAN OF ARC" AND
WAS PUBLISHED IN THE 1800'S. THEY ARE BOTH ABOUT 1 3/4" X 2".  IF SOMEONE COULD
LET ME KNOW WHERE IN NEW YORK CITY I CAN TAKE THEM TO BE APPRAISED, I WILL
GREATLYL APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU,
MARIO A MORALES


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Hi Folks, Conclave registrations are coming in steadily.  Thanks to those who
indicated their  intention to attend by E mail, although some did not follow it
up  yet with actual registration. A few months ago we were not sure if there is
going to be a Conclave at all, everything seemed to conspire against us. No we
know that  Conclave XXI is going to happen, it may be a bit smaller than
average, but it will be a classy affair. Those who miss it, will regret it. 
There are two weeks to go to the registration deadline and there can be
absolutely no extensions!  Margaret Challenger's workshop is getting full, there
are just a few places left.We have to give the final numbers to the hotel at the
beginning of September. So you procrastrinators, please get your registration in
the mail!

Regards:

Paul Devenyi


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Registrations to Conclave XXI have been coming  with an encouraging pace in the
last week. We'll have a great group of people and a nice mix of dealers,
publishers and collectors. We have several new people, lots of old friends, but
we are still missing a few conclave "regulars". Please remember that you only
have a week and a half left to the registration deadline.  The unfortunate delay
of the all-important pre-conclave Newsletter hopefully didn't turn anybody off.
The editor did send out an interim bulletin, most of you probably received it,
although some did not.  If you turn to the MBS website (www.mbs.org), on the
Conclave page you will find all the information that would have been in the July
Newsletter. Please communicate this to people you know who have no internet
access. Thanks.

Paul


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Margaret Challenger's  october 11 calligraphy workshop at Conclave XXI is full.
She can only accomodate a limited number (25) of participants. Those of you
wanted to sign up and your registration is or will be in the mail, would have to
go on a stand-by list.


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Hi everyone,

I have put together a couple of facsimili copies of ca. 1911 David
Bryce & Son's publication catalogues I thought some of you may be
interested in.

Please visit http://www.pixelspark.com/bryce/catalogues.htm for more
information.

Best,
Lani

I am pleased to announce that Margaret Challenger will repeat her workshop at
the conclave on october  11-th  from 2.30 to 3.30 pm,  thus those who had to be
placed on a  "stand-by list",  will have the opportunity to attend.

Paul Devenyi


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For those of you who have received your newsletters, you will likely have
noticed the amazing error on the back cover.

The Miniature Book Competition is closed, and we are at a total loss to explain
how the entry form reappeared on what was supposed to be a blank page.

Please accept my apologies and don't make more work for Barb Williamson - the
competition is closed, the gremlins put the application in, and when we find the
gremlins, we plan to use their hides to bind miniature books.

Edward



Edward Hoyenski
Assistant Curator,
Rare Books and Texana Collections,
University of North Texas Libraries
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(940) 565-2769
(940) 565-2599 (Fax)
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Ed, Got your memo and thought I would this along: In my personal experience,
Gremlin Hides are not suitable for covering miniature books: Though they
appear to be both sturdy and supple, they are, in fact, neither. Just attempt to
pare one and you will see what I mean. They resist the sharpest knife edge and
develop tears and holes even in areas not yet shaved. I tried once to laminate
several hides, (I seem to have an abundance of the varmints around) gluing
them in different directions and this did seem to work. But only for the nonce.
In the morning my covers were separated and sprung like a new perm in a
rainstorm. So, if you'll take my suggestion, once you locate those Gremlins,
best you
settle on nailing their hides to the barn door and let it go at that.  Phil
Morrison.