http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/archive/2009/11/13/in-iceland-trying-to-re\
program-government.aspx

An experiment in crowdsourcing and government.
I think something similar to what Andrius is trying with Minciu Sodas in some
sense.
Maybe we could learn from this?

Gudjon Mar Gudjonsson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%B0j%C3%B3n_M%C3%A1r_Gu%C3%B0j%C3%B3nsson

is an entrepreneur and grassroots activist. This is his blog:
http://thinkinnovateexecute.com/author/gudjon/

I think this is relevant and useful.


Sasha

Hi, I would like to meet participants of "My Estonia".
http://www.minueesti.ee  I learned about you because I participate in
"As Lietuvai" events http://www.aslietuvai.org the national idea
movement in Lithuania.

I am traveling from Vilnius, Lithuania to Tallinn, Estonia for a
Grundtvig adult-education partnership meeting.  I arrive in Tallinn on
Thursday, November 19 and am free until 18:00 that day, and I am also
free all day Sunday, November 22 and can stay Monday if that makes
sense.  I will also be in Riga on Wednesday, November 18 and possibly on
my way home.

I lead the Minciu Sodas laboratory http://www.ms.lt for serving and
organizing independent thinkers around the world.  We have working
groups based on our leaders' deepest values, including: global villages,
holistic helping, learning from each other, learn how to learn, social
agriculture, humanity, social entrepreneurship, living by truth, loving
God, community organizing and more.

We have a list of values and questions:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values
endeavors:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
and dreams:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams

It would be great to get to know you!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003
skype: minciusodas

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Charles,

Thank you for your letter to Anthony and your concern for David and his
losing home.  I will talk with David and I hope he agrees that, as
needed, I might pay you (my means are modest) to help him keep from
losing his home.  Perhaps others can help?

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...

charles williams wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> My work in Chicago involves closing the digital divide and assisting
> people in getting back to work. At Community Assistance Programs,
> where I am employed, I teach workshops in computer literacy, hiring
> and job retention. And my web site, www.shopsouthchicago.com
> <http://www.shopsouthchicago.com>, promotes shopping, living and
> working in South Chicago.
>
> Please feel welcome to contact me or visit with me anytime to discuss
> our similar goals. Andrius will have thoughts on this, I am certain,
> and I too will write more soon about my plans. Meanwhile I will read
> your web site and learn about your activities.
>
> We are all very sad about the home foreclosures here. Please keep
> David Ellison-Bey in your prayers.
>
> Regards,
> Charles Williams
> P.O. Box 436834
> Chicago, IL 60643-1348
>
> 312-560-2592
> sbw.info <http://sbw.info>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...
> <mailto:ms@...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Anthony,
>
>     Great to hear from you!
>     I appreciate your help to start discussion in Spanish at
>     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_ES/
>
>     Also, I encourage you to link up with Charles Williams who is
>     closing the digital divide in South Chicago
>     http://www.servicesbywilliams.com
>     http://www.shopsouthchicago.com
>     See his article about David Ellison-Bey:
>     http://www.shopsouthchicago.com/news.html
>
>     David is losing his home to foreclosure.  We wrote his hardship
>     letter last year:
>    
http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2008/10/the-includerepisode-5hardship-letter005.html
>     but the latest news is not good.
>     I wish we could organize some help for him.  He's a wonderful person
>     http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?DavidEllison-Bey
>     Perhaps you could call him (773) 874-3332 and even visit him?
>
>     What are you thinking about?
>
>     Andrius
>
>     Andrius Kulikauskas
>     Minciu Sodas
>     http://www.ms.lt
>     ms@... <mailto:ms@...>
>
>
>     bilingualnewspaper wrote:
>
>         Greetings from Chicago!
>
>         After a few years of depression, after a big betrayal of Andy
>         Pincon, whom Andrius met him at Meda in Chicago.  I'm ready to
>         forgive & forget! Roll my sleeves.
>          I
>         'd like to Join your group to help close the Digital Divide
>         among the Latino Community in the USA & Latin America.
>         Check out: http://www.AMERICAenEspanol.com
>
>         http://www.BILINGUALMAGAZINE.COM
>
>         Truly yours, your friend,
>
>         Anthony Diaz
>         Founder
>         T: (773) 501.8390
>         Editor@...
>
>
>
>
>

Josephat Ndibalema (Tanzania) and I invite us all to chat this Friday,
November 13, 2009 at November 13, 13.00 London time GMT, 14.00 Nigerian
time, 16.00 Kenyan time http://www.worknets.org/chat/   We're chatting
about creating e-books in Kiswahili for farmers.  Ricardo has worked
through how to publish text as images for viewing on DVD players,
digital cameras and mobile phones.  There are Kiswahili texts at
http://sw.wikipedia.org and http://swahili.food-security.info  Josephat
curates our own Kiswahili worknets wiki at http://www.worknets.org/sw/
where we can prepare our texts.  I can create a script to then convert
them for publication, including locally in Africa, because the resulting
image files are large.  As we get started, we can also devote some
resources to translating materials.

This is a straightforward project where we might all contribute our
talents, further our dreams, build shared momentum and share credit for
our achievements.  It would be great if Dadamac and Earth Treasury might
participate somehow.  Samwel Kongere is organizing a fish pond.  Graham
Knight has DIY Solar.  Tom Ochuka has built a water cart.  Ananya S Guha
is writing children's poems.  These are examples where Kiswahili
materials could spread ideas.
I also ask for help for our chat room as the center of a "help room".
This is key in my efforts so that Minciu Sodas and Worknets are viable,
can respond helpfully to everybody, can organize global teams for paid
work, and can further an "economy of dreams" where we work together to
advance the dreams of each and every one of us.

Fred Kayiwa has been coming often to our chat room
http://www.worknets.org where I have been training him how to help
online with various tasks http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks such as
at our wiki.  Thank you also to Sasha Mrkailo and Kestutis Urba for
visiting often, too.  It's a great help if you can just log in and say
hi whenever you are online.  Maybe you can greet somebody.  And we'll
greet you and think how we can help you.  We're practicing how to help.
Please train now if you'd like to be part of our Minciu Sodas team for
paid work when I find more.

Fred Kayiwa has shown a lot of initiative and I have sent him 100 USD to
help this month.  He is studying accounting in college at Kampala and
that costs him 1200 USD per year.  He also has living expenses of about
50 USD per month and Internet expenses of 50 USD per month.  So his
costs are 200 USD per month and he has to study but he does quite a lot
for us part-time.  Most importantly, he's been most helpful.

Fred has to make his next payment of 300 USD for his studies and he asks
for help.

I'm inclined to support Fred and certainly I would send him another 100
USD per month to continue helping as we build momentum for our help
room.  But I truly should ask more of us for help.  And so I am!  My
purpose is to nurture a culture, and so I need a community.  Yes, we
could share the costs of Fred as an online assistant, and if you've ever
benefited from Minciu Sodas or would like to benefit, which might
include options on Fred's availability in the future, this is a very
helpful cause to dedicate money to.

But more importantly, I need people for our help room (and Fred) to
help.   So by simply coming to our chat room and learning how to be
helped, you'll be doing us a great help, even if we're working for your
for free.  In doing so, we're building assets in the Public Domain for
us and all to use.

Please do respond!

I will send Fred at least 100 USD but more if others show interest and
participate in our help room.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...

kayiwa fred wrote:
> Hi Andrius and all,
> Although my budget  may be big this year, i have the urgent budget
> which needs to be covered this month and thats my balance of Tution
> which is $300
> i feel i can slowly look for the rest of the costs up to December if
> this $300 is covered because by the end of this month we start exams
> and no one does without completing the tuition
> I think this makes sense to ,you friends
> i feel this is the most Urgent one and i love doing urgent and very
> important things first
> Thanks a lot
> Fred

Tom,

Thank you for your reply.

I noted two statements: "Every effect has had its cause" but also "Not
every cause has had its effects".  I think the latter is important, too,
as it says that there may indeed be a lot being done by you and God and
others.  It's possible that we may be making a difference.

By your argument, what is there for anybody to do? Everything is
determined, including you and I.  Is that the reality or is that just
part of our reality?  Are you accepting that part as a dogma and
ignoring the rest?

Consider a system (like your mind or a computer).  Would you allow that
the system may have states (like awareness, attention, self-awareness or
simply the particular churning of a computer) which are "effects" within
the system, but have no consequence outside of the system.  In other
words, it may be that you are sitting in your chair and you become (or
not) aware of your surroundings and that awareness (though real within
you) may have no consequence to the rest of the world or the rest of
your life or the rest of the galaxy.  Or a computer may be churning
through any of a set of possibilities and it truly doesn't make a
difference.

But if an effect has no consequence, but is an aberration, then it means
that different effects may have the same cause, but also that different
fleeting effects are different causes for the same subsequent effects.
So how can you or anybody tell which effect will be caused?  In what
sense is there a "causal" link when a fleeting "state" arises and
disappears?  In what sense was it necessary?  Couldn't it have been
arbitrary?

But note that these often irrelevant states of awareness are that in
which and with regard to which we mark and delineate and define and
distinguish what is an event, thus a cause and or effect.  So the whole
construct of causality may be fleeting and irrelevant.  And yet
occassionally some of these states of awareness do become relevant
outside of us.  But that doesn't mean that they all do.  And yet which
states do and don't?  They don't seem apriori different.

Can it be that in our minds and in our worlds the majority of states are
inconsequential.  They appear and disappear without any impact on the
big picture.  And yet locally they may be tangible.  They are
potentially impactful in a wider sense, but not necessarily.

Is it fair to say that in our mental life there may be many, many holes
in this chain of causality?

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003







twayburn@... wrote:
> Greetings Andrius:
>
> When I read your remarks about cause and effect, it occurred to me to
> pass on to the group a sentiment that I have found helpful to
> eliminate superstition from my life and the lives of people I am
> responsible for, namely, that, quantum weirdness aside, their is no
> effect without a physical cause.  Interestingly, this leaves us with a
> universe in which there is nothing for God to do; therefore, the
> notion that the God of the Bible and the God in most people's lives is
> completely imaginary makes perfect sense.  It does not preclude the
> authorship of the complete and correct laws of physics in all of their
> unknown glory and it says nothing about the unfathomable mystery by
> which all of us find ourselves surrounded.
>
> Best regards as always,
> Tom Wayburn, Houston, Texas
>
>
> --- In livingbytruth@yahoogroups.com, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
> >
> > I mad e a 10-minute video summary of my life's work to know everything
> > and apply that knowledge usefully:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArN-YbPlf8M
> >
> > I found several philosophy forums where I might find somebody
> interested:
> > http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Philosophy
> >
> > Philosophy Forums has more than 400,000 posts, quite thoughtful:
> > http://forums.philosophyforums.com/
> > but my letter was deleted as spam! because I write about myself.
> >
> > I found another forum where I got some very nice responses:
> > http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=28389
> >
> > Here's an exchange about Hume's and my thinking about "cause and
> effect".
> >
> > Andrius Kulikauskas, Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Setelement writes:
> >
> > Since you have read Hume previously, and you have a copy of his enquiry
> > I will not go to far in depth on his view. Instead I will give you a
> > quick quote from the book and hopefully it is enough to get you to
> > pursue the topic further on your own.
> >
> > I watched you clip on you tube and you talk about every cause having it
> > effect. In his enquiries Hume discussed this concept:
> >
> > Quote:
> > It is evident that there is a principle of connexion between the
> > different thoughts or ideas of the mind, and that, in their
> apperance to
> > the memory or imagination, they introduce each other with a certain
> > degree of method and regularity... The contrary of every matter of fact
> > is still possible; because it can never imply a contradiction, and is
> > concieved by the mind with the same faculty and distinctness, as if
> > every so conformable to reality... All reasonings concerning matter of
> > fact seem to be founded on the relation of Cause and E ffect... No
> object
> > ever discovers, by the qualities which appear to the senses, either the
> > cause which produced it, or the effect which will arise from it; nor
> can
> > our reason, unassisted by experience, ever draw any inference
> concerning
> > real existence and matter of fact.
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Setelement, I'm glad you found and watched my video. Thank you for this
> > quote from Hume.
> >
> > It's quite profound that the same associations which link the future
> > with the past likewise link the past with the future. And so how can we
> > say which is "cause" and which is "effect"?
> >
> > I simply document how I think our mind frames this: "Every effect has
> > had its cause, but not every cause has had its effect." What has
> > happened can be traced to a reason for why it happened; but there are
> > likewise things that will happen which have no t yet happened. We can
> > look backwards in time with "short term thinking" ("every effect has
> had
> > its cause") and we can look forwards in time with "long term thinking"
> > ("not every cause has had its effects"). The "present" is where these
> > two directions coincide and we can switch effortlessly back and forth
> > between the two.
> >
> > I note that Hume ignores the present as if we were only living
> detached,
> > objectively, so that the associations have been made ("every effect has
> > had its cause"). But we can also live subjectively so that the
> > association has yet to be made ("not every cause has had its effects").
> > This makes it possible to distinguish between past and future, between
> > cause and effect. If we ignore the present, if we ignore our
> > subjectivity, then it seems as if both directions in time are the same,
> > backwards and forwards. But actually our minds insist th at the
> forwards
> > direction acknowledges our subjective participation - acknowledges the
> > gap between cause and effect - whereas the backwards direction (which
> > Hume focuses on) does not acknowlege our subjective participation,
> > allows for no gap between cause and effect. So Hume is ignoring the
> fact
> > that our mind can project, suppose, allow for, propose an association
> > that has yet to be affirmed, validated, realized.
> >
> > The structure I describe can be conceived with regard to time or space.
> > In time, we map "cause" and "effect" to "past" and "future". In space,
> > we map them to "what is outside the system" and "what is within the
> > system" and instead of the "present" we have the "system boundary".
> > Energy comes from outside the system ("cause") to maintain the system
> > ("effect"). If we ignore the fact that there's a system, then we can't
> > distinguish the directions, and we can't define entropy. But as soon as
> > we acknowledge a system, we are distinguishing which is cause and which
> > is effect.
> >
> > Hume implies that the future can be constructed from the past to the
> > same extent that the past can be constructed from the future. But I
> > don't think he thus explains how to construct at which points a subject
> > was engaged, at which point an association was made, at which point the
> > "present" was lived as such. I claim that these are the points which
> > distinguish the "subjective" forward direction ("not every cause has
> had
> > its effects") and the "objective" backwards direction ("every effect
> has
> > had its cause"). I simply acknowledge that our mind makes these five
> > distinctions (objective past, objective future, subjective past,
> > subjective future, present).
> >
> > Thank you for your profound observation!
> >
> > Am I being fair to Hume? and to you? Is this fruitful?
> >
> > I'm also keen to know more about your interests.
> >
>
>
>

I made a 10-minute video summary of my life's work to know everything
and apply that knowledge usefully:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArN-YbPlf8M

I found several philosophy forums where I might find somebody interested:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Philosophy

Philosophy Forums has more than 400,000 posts, quite thoughtful:
http://forums.philosophyforums.com/
but my letter was deleted as spam! because I write about myself.

I found another forum where I got some very nice responses:
http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=28389

Here's an exchange about Hume's and my thinking about "cause and effect".

Andrius Kulikauskas, Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...

------------------------------

Setelement writes:

Since you have read Hume previously, and you have a copy of his enquiry
I will not go to far in depth on his view. Instead I will give you a
quick quote from the book and hopefully it is enough to get you to
pursue the topic further on your own.

I watched you clip on you tube and you talk about every cause having it
effect. In his enquiries Hume discussed this concept:

Quote:
It is evident that there is a principle of connexion between the
different thoughts or ideas of the mind, and that, in their apperance to
the memory or imagination, they introduce each other with a certain
degree of method and regularity... The contrary of every matter of fact
is still possible; because it can never imply a contradiction, and is
concieved by the mind with the same faculty and distinctness, as if
every so conformable to reality... All reasonings concerning matter of
fact seem to be founded on the relation of Cause and Effect... No object
ever discovers, by the qualities which appear to the senses, either the
cause which produced it, or the effect which will arise from it; nor can
our reason, unassisted by experience, ever draw any inference concerning
real existence and matter of fact.

---------------------------------

Setelement, I'm glad you found and watched my video. Thank you for this
quote from Hume.

It's quite profound that the same associations which link the future
with the past likewise link the past with the future. And so how can we
say which is "cause" and which is "effect"?

I simply document how I think our mind frames this: "Every effect has
had its cause, but not every cause has had its effect." What has
happened can be traced to a reason for why it happened; but there are
likewise things that will happen which have not yet happened. We can
look backwards in time with "short term thinking" ("every effect has had
its cause") and we can look forwards in time with "long term thinking"
("not every cause has had its effects"). The "present" is where these
two directions coincide and we can switch effortlessly back and forth
between the two.

I note that Hume ignores the present as if we were only living detached,
objectively, so that the associations have been made ("every effect has
had its cause"). But we can also live subjectively so that the
association has yet to be made ("not every cause has had its effects").
This makes it possible to distinguish between past and future, between
cause and effect. If we ignore the present, if we ignore our
subjectivity, then it seems as if both directions in time are the same,
backwards and forwards. But actually our minds insist that the forwards
direction acknowledges our subjective participation - acknowledges the
gap between cause and effect - whereas the backwards direction (which
Hume focuses on) does not acknowlege our subjective participation,
allows for no gap between cause and effect. So Hume is ignoring the fact
that our mind can project, suppose, allow for, propose an association
that has yet to be affirmed, validated, realized.

The structure I describe can be conceived with regard to time or space.
In time, we map "cause" and "effect" to "past" and "future". In space,
we map them to "what is outside the system" and "what is within the
system" and instead of the "present" we have the "system boundary".
Energy comes from outside the system ("cause") to maintain the system
("effect"). If we ignore the fact that there's a system, then we can't
distinguish the directions, and we can't define entropy. But as soon as
we acknowledge a system, we are distinguishing which is cause and which
is effect.

Hume implies that the future can be constructed from the past to the
same extent that the past can be constructed from the future. But I
don't think he thus explains how to construct at which points a subject
was engaged, at which point an association was made, at which point the
"present" was lived as such. I claim that these are the points which
distinguish the "subjective" forward direction ("not every cause has had
its effects") and the "objective" backwards direction ("every effect has
had its cause"). I simply acknowledge that our mind makes these five
distinctions (objective past, objective future, subjective past,
subjective future, present).

Thank you for your profound observation!

Am I being fair to Hume? and to you? Is this fruitful?

I'm also keen to know more about your interests.

Is you prediction group interested in hearing about ending poverty at
a profit? Do members know about the progress of One Laptop Per Child?
Internet in Africa? Microfinance for e-commerce?

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 14:54, Benoit Couture <benoitctr@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salut John, Andrius and all,
>
> I received an invitation this morning to join a group, which is an extension
of an already existing and thriving group of Predictions Markets, of which I am
also a member by invitation.
>
> I'm offering this to a couple of groups of Minciu Soda, with the hope
to contribute energies to the current dialogue about economy and work.
> This contribution of mine which comes from outside of Minciu Sodas, is an
example of being rooted and a self-exporting produce of the Orchard of
Thoughts.
>
> Living in exile from Quebec to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, I am involved
at investing myself online since April 2005, through a personal Lithuanian
connection named Andrius Kulikauskas, who is born and raised in the US.
>
> Our paths have crossed, as we are searching, looking and viewing our calling
into God's healing movement from personal to communal, in all of what is
contained from the micro to the macro completion of all in all, so as to reach
humanity from local to global with all the inclusion offered by the Solemn
Beauty of Being Human answering to the Ancient Voice of Humanity's Youth,
adapting in all the fluidity of Common Sense...namely...The Ministry of
Reconciliation...
>
> And so, as an example of this self-exporting produce of Minciu Sodas, here's
the invitation I received and then comes my first post to the
group, answering the invitation with my spontaneity of the moment cultivated
with MS, to describe the "Front liners of adaptation", hoping to bridge the old
and the new way of doing business in the needs of the moment:
>
> Benoit
> ---------------------------
>
> To all friends of prediction markets:
>
> A number of us have been talking recently and we are in agreement that the
existing forums for prediction market enthusiasts and watchers, owned and
controlled by single individuals, are lacking. We think the industry deserves
its own independent, open, community-owned discussion forum. As such, we have
created a new Google Group dedicated to fostering and furthering high-quality
open debate and communication about prediction markets: the R&D, the theory, the
practice, the industry developments and upcoming events.
>
> We strive for an open discussion and we commit to run the group with
transparency, openness, objectivity, and independence. But we also believe some
ground rules are needed to maintain a high quality of conversation that
minimizes advertising, second-hand PR, or anyone monopolizing the conversation.
We think some vigilance along those lines will make a positive difference in the
communication and discussion. We hope you do too!
>
> To join our new discussion group, click here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/prediction-markets-open-discussion/subscribe
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Signed by 8 people and then,
> http://www.pmindustry.org
> --------------------------------------------
> I joined the group with:
>
> Salut everyone,
> I welcome this initiative to add the community dimension to the
> Prediction Market Industry.  It offers an opportuntity to bring
> corporate activity to deepen the sense of owning up to the citizenship
> between the parts and the whole.
>
> Prediction Market Industry is in position to embody such vitality,
> because of the knowledge and of the tools that are in use.
>
> From an inspirational view, Prediction Market Industry is riding the
> waves of improvisation upon the currencies of times and progress.
>
> We navigate from competition to completion, to reach the assembly's
> shore of individuals and communities who own up to the honor of
> sanctity and dignity of life itself.
>
> Here are two key notes investments of time, to get the picture of the
> ride we are on, from "the waves of improvisation upon the currencies
> of times and progress to the assembly's shore of our citizenship"!
>
> So to feed the view, I first propose an interview given recently by
> one of the most recognized master of modern music, Van Morrison...
>
> This is a podcast from the CBC radio.  So go to:
> http://www.cbc.ca/q/uncut.html
> ...and look down on that page for "October 1, 2009 - Van Morrison
> Uncut"
>
> Second, I propose this documentary:
> http://www.moneyfix.geekgene.com/videos/money-fix-trailer
> The navigational angle offered by such an interview and  documentary,
> is that money must grow as a servant, not a master of humanity.
> Are we interested to own up to our position on the ship of citizens?
>
> Benoitctr
> Edmonton, Canada
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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ج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://www.earthtreasury.org/

Hi all,

I am forwarding the Dreamfish newsletter for all who are possibly interested in
Dreamfish concepts.

Sasha

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Dear Andrius, David, and All,

On David's home, there is a "reverse mortgage" program that allows "seniors" to
stay in their homes without paying a mortgage each month, this to stave off
foreclosure or the need to move. This is a govt program, so David may be a bit
concerned about that aspect. But for some folks it is the only way to avoid
losing their homes.

What happens is that your home is accessed for its value, and you are "loaned"
that amount to pay off any existing mortgages, and sometimes given more in a
credit line, from which you can draw for other expenses. David, do you own your
home, and do you know how much it is worth (assessed value), such as what the
city of Chicago would value it at?

The money you borrow becomes due upon death of the owner.

On group insurance, there should be someone in the insurance field who can be
consulted free of charge?  Is there an insurance agent among David's
congregation or circle of friends?  If not, there should be someone who could be
recommended, including perhaps the company that David's friend used for the
life-insurance policy.

Group rates are usually more affordable, so that might be the best option.

Since David is 73, he surely can tap into services offered by the city and state
for "senior citizens", people 65 and older. There should be a Dept of Elderly
Affairs that can be contacted first, and in Rhode Island there is a whole
booklet on services and programs for seniors, which is very useful to sort
through all the options (yes, and the "red tape" :)).

Hopefully this is a bit helpful, and we can do more online to find other
resources, I'm sure. Is anyone reading this in Chicago?  That would be great for
some phone calls to agencies and programs.

With greatest blessings and prayers for your well-being and uplift!  Janet

-----Original Message-----
>From: ms@...
>Sent: Nov 2, 2009 2:14 AM
>To: david ellison-bey <d_bey@...>
>Cc: minciu_sodas_AR@yahoogroups.com, minciu_sodas_EN@yahoogroups.com,
socialagriculture@yahoogroups.com, nafsiafrikasaana@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [socialagriculture] Re: More Discomboberlated, overwhealmed,     
overburden now 73 and distraught.  Why?
>
>David, Islam! Thank you for your compassionate letter which I share with
>Minciu Sodas laboratory groups.  I think it would be good to consider and
>organize some kind of insurance or simply compassion for Minciu Sodas
>participants.  I am also concerned about you not losing your house to
>foreclosure.  What can we do to help?  Who can we find to help you in
>Chicago? Greetings from Lithuania.  Andrius
>Andrius Kulikauskas, Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...
>
>> In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.  To whom it may
>> concern.              Bits and pices you have to put
together,  its not my
>> intention to offen anyone, but if I do , its not intentional.  I just got
>> turned off by others persional power, that some people don't seem to know
>> they have and its affects on others.  All actions have a reaction and
>> consequences.  Do you understand that?  I have wretten some long thoughts,
>> but prefer short ones.  When i try to talk about my troubles and
>> problems,  I get (you are not the only one, don't you know that I know
>> that?  12-15-05, Johnny stoped by my house to tell me that Sis. Delois
>> Murphy-Bey had passed from cancer and told me the details of arrangement
>> he had made.  I was the only card carrying Moor their and spoke., etc,. 
>> Bro. Wiullie-Bey was suppose to show up but did not show.  Her spirit was
>> such that many didn't understand,  She fed people and always try ed to
>>  bring laughter to people. She had an insurance policy on me because she
>> wanted to make sure that if anything should happen to me that I would
>> have a proper funeral.  The Sister was a FOI under The Messager, and an
>> dance instructor, Cook, etc,.  None of these things is mentioned in her
>> obituary because most diden't know, she picket people up off the street
>> befriended and fed then and their children many time throughout the time
>> I knew her,  That use to bother me, because my attention was on the
>> organization of the Temple.  Grant Major Temple, 957 W. 75th st. Why we
>> collect for death and have no group insurance?  They were paying many of
>> the bills out of their pocket, because they were not generating enough to
>> pay the temples expenses.  I said: bits and Pisces.   So I will mention
>> some others I have known.  Sister Eula Solomon-Bey , May 2, 1935 to June
>> 22, 1986,  I have more, but am not going to look for them now.   After I
>> was appointed
>>  Director of the temple,  one of my first duties assigned to me by the
>> then Grand Governor Bro. Paul Johnson-Bey was to conduct a funeral for
>> the Elder Gilmore-Bey, whom I didn't know, with the help of Bro. Olden
>> Coleman-Bey, who has since passed in the VA hospital , after calling to
>> inform me of his condition. I found out later from his nice that he had
>> passed.      Being alone and turned off by others, not that they know
>> this or are aware of it.  But because of not being adapted to home
>> computers, at work i had my on State PC to work on.  But people come in
>> your home and ask to use your personal computer without informing you of
>> what they are doing and how it will affect you, or how to undo what they
>> have done.  Some seem to be inept in social settings.  Because of this
>> from a variety of people who have visited me over the years, I haven't
>> use my computer enough to learn how to use it for what i wanted it for,
>> and find my self with
>>  more e-mails and advertising than I think I need to read.  My interest
>> seem to have gone out of the window.  As you get older, your time
>> gets shorter.  I finished typing class knowing all the parts of a
>> typewriter and typing 79 words a minute with no errors.  Typing mailable
>> letters perfect.  I never could spell good, but I was able with a
>> dictionary to get by very well.  I have put a sign in book by my front
>> door, and I am putting the rules of the house back on the front door, 
>> because it seem few people know how to be a guess in others houses.  I am
>> tired now, and will rest, because its tiresome to see so many people who
>> are socially inept.  O year, The whit man is now trying to introduce our
>> children to serve the next generation of forimgners  that they are
>> bringing into America to take our place in the poor labor force.  I just
>> had to put that in , because whats going on disturbs me.. Peace.  Bro. D.
>> Ellison-Bey       
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

David, Islam! Thank you for your compassionate letter which I share with
Minciu Sodas laboratory groups.  I think it would be good to consider and
organize some kind of insurance or simply compassion for Minciu Sodas
participants.  I am also concerned about you not losing your house to
foreclosure.  What can we do to help?  Who can we find to help you in
Chicago? Greetings from Lithuania.  Andrius
Andrius Kulikauskas, Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...

> In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.  To whom it may
> concern.              Bits and pices you have to put together, 
its not my
> intention to offen anyone, but if I do , its not intentional.  I just got
> turned off by others persional power, that some people don't seem to know
> they have and its affects on others.  All actions have a reaction and
> consequences.  Do you understand that?  I have wretten some long thoughts,
> but prefer short ones.  When i try to talk about my troubles and
> problems,  I get (you are not the only one, don't you know that I know
> that?  12-15-05, Johnny stoped by my house to tell me that Sis. Delois
> Murphy-Bey had passed from cancer and told me the details of arrangement
> he had made.  I was the only card carrying Moor their and spoke., etc,. 
> Bro. Wiullie-Bey was suppose to show up but did not show.  Her spirit was
> such that many didn't understand,  She fed people and always try ed to
>  bring laughter to people. She had an insurance policy on me because she
> wanted to make sure that if anything should happen to me that I would
> have a proper funeral.  The Sister was a FOI under The Messager, and an
> dance instructor, Cook, etc,.  None of these things is mentioned in her
> obituary because most diden't know, she picket people up off the street
> befriended and fed then and their children many time throughout the time
> I knew her,  That use to bother me, because my attention was on the
> organization of the Temple.  Grant Major Temple, 957 W. 75th st. Why we
> collect for death and have no group insurance?  They were paying many of
> the bills out of their pocket, because they were not generating enough to
> pay the temples expenses.  I said: bits and Pisces.   So I will mention
> some others I have known.  Sister Eula Solomon-Bey , May 2, 1935 to June
> 22, 1986,  I have more, but am not going to look for them now.   After I
> was appointed
>  Director of the temple,  one of my first duties assigned to me by the
> then Grand Governor Bro. Paul Johnson-Bey was to conduct a funeral for
> the Elder Gilmore-Bey, whom I didn't know, with the help of Bro. Olden
> Coleman-Bey, who has since passed in the VA hospital , after calling to
> inform me of his condition. I found out later from his nice that he had
> passed.      Being alone and turned off by others, not that they know
> this or are aware of it.  But because of not being adapted to home
> computers, at work i had my on State PC to work on.  But people come in
> your home and ask to use your personal computer without informing you of
> what they are doing and how it will affect you, or how to undo what they
> have done.  Some seem to be inept in social settings.  Because of this
> from a variety of people who have visited me over the years, I haven't
> use my computer enough to learn how to use it for what i wanted it for,
> and find my self with
>  more e-mails and advertising than I think I need to read.  My interest
> seem to have gone out of the window.  As you get older, your time
> gets shorter.  I finished typing class knowing all the parts of a
> typewriter and typing 79 words a minute with no errors.  Typing mailable
> letters perfect.  I never could spell good, but I was able with a
> dictionary to get by very well.  I have put a sign in book by my front
> door, and I am putting the rules of the house back on the front door, 
> because it seem few people know how to be a guess in others houses.  I am
> tired now, and will rest, because its tiresome to see so many people who
> are socially inept.  O year, The whit man is now trying to introduce our
> children to serve the next generation of forimgners  that they are
> bringing into America to take our place in the poor labor force.  I just
> had to put that in , because whats going on disturbs me.. Peace.  Bro. D.
> Ellison-Bey       

Franz, Sasha, Benoit,

Today I worked on Sasha's request and I hope to have that next week.
Franz, great ideas and I hope soon to implement a function so that given
any page name you get to see the links to all the pages with that same
page name throughout the wiki.

Please keep the good ideas coming!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


Franz Nahrada wrote:
> Benoit, Sasha, all:
>
> Pro Wiki has a wonderful quality that other Wikis mostly lack: It has a
> very intelligent Auto Linking Strategie that links thoughts in the most
> meaningful way. You can set a strategy, and you can even finetune it so
> that each Word that is the name of a toplevel page can either
> automatically become a link or not. We have not even tapped into one
> percent of the usage potentials of Helmut Leitners great vision:
>
> technical description:
> http://www.wikiservice.at/prowiki/wiki.cgi?AutoLinkStrategies
> the thought process that led to this;
> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?AutoLinkStrategies
> the ease with which you find the right context pageswhere you use
> AutoLibnkStrategies in a wiki:
>
http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?search=AutoLinkStrategies&title=off&word=on&cas\
e=on
> technically it allows you to even define the branches where you want to
> look for linkwords!
>
> This is a great feature (the more you think about it a world unfolds), but
> it first and immediately becomes a curse if contextual meanings differ
> from place to place.
>
> I found the Autolinking in Worknets increasingly a nuissance and I very
> often use "no link" tags  (<n>....</n>) to block some of my texts from
> being linked. eventually Andrius agreed we would make globalvillages more
> of a subwiki with its own domain name and I also turnded Autolinking off.
> Technically, Globalvillages is part of the Worknets Wiki which gives a lot
> of opportunities for cross-searching and metadata and also would
> automatically make you aware of the toplevel pages that support and expand
> your thoughts. But when you turn Autolinking off its even harder to figure
> that out, your branch mostly behaves like a wiki of its own, especially if
> you turned on the subwiki parameter on your top page.
>
> In a way thats also sad becasue some concepts and resources are really
> shared. I then use the Interwiki Links  - like for example
> "WorkNets:AndriusKulikauskas" - to link to the Top level. This now works
> perfectly for me, but very often I am not even aware of linking
> possibilities that already exist in the system. Hypertext is about being
> economical and modular, and we are still very far away from a true
> hypertext perspective.
>
> Today I discovered again in Dorfwiki - where I still use strict TopLevel
> Auto Linking - that sometimes disambiguation pages could help. So for
> example when the word "Energie" becomes a link (which means Energy in
> German) I had to cross it because in 50 percent of cases I meant personal
> motvation rather that a physical property of things. So like Wikipedia
> works with disambiguation, we also should. We should show the different
> contexts and meanings given to a word on the referring wikipage instead of
> playing "one word fits all".
>
> http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?Energie
>
> But this, as Sasha correctly adds, requires an almost monastic community
> discicpline. We must not only dwell in the present, we must see our
> contributions as the emergence of an organically growing almost timeless
> body of information. Then the power of the Wiki makes real sense.
>
> I think its not impossible to revolutionize our thinking this way.
>
> Andrius? Others?
>
> Franz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Please note our rule: Each letter sent to this group enters the Public Domain
unless it explicitly states otherwise. http://www.ethicalpublicdomain.org 
Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Benoit, Sasha, all:

Pro Wiki has a wonderful quality that other Wikis mostly lack: It has a
very intelligent Auto Linking Strategie that links thoughts in the most
meaningful way. You can set a strategy, and you can even finetune it so
that each Word that is the name of a toplevel page can either
automatically become a link or not. We have not even tapped into one
percent of the usage potentials of Helmut Leitners great vision:

technical description:
http://www.wikiservice.at/prowiki/wiki.cgi?AutoLinkStrategies
the thought process that led to this;
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?AutoLinkStrategies
the ease with which you find the right context pageswhere you use
AutoLibnkStrategies in a wiki:
http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?search=AutoLinkStrategies&title=off&word=on&cas\
e=on
technically it allows you to even define the branches where you want to
look for linkwords!

This is a great feature (the more you think about it a world unfolds), but
it first and immediately becomes a curse if contextual meanings differ
from place to place.

I found the Autolinking in Worknets increasingly a nuissance and I very
often use "no link" tags  (<n>....</n>) to block some of my texts from
being linked. eventually Andrius agreed we would make globalvillages more
of a subwiki with its own domain name and I also turnded Autolinking off.
Technically, Globalvillages is part of the Worknets Wiki which gives a lot
of opportunities for cross-searching and metadata and also would
automatically make you aware of the toplevel pages that support and expand
your thoughts. But when you turn Autolinking off its even harder to figure
that out, your branch mostly behaves like a wiki of its own, especially if
you turned on the subwiki parameter on your top page.

In a way thats also sad becasue some concepts and resources are really
shared. I then use the Interwiki Links  - like for example
"WorkNets:AndriusKulikauskas" - to link to the Top level. This now works
perfectly for me, but very often I am not even aware of linking
possibilities that already exist in the system. Hypertext is about being
economical and modular, and we are still very far away from a true
hypertext perspective.

Today I discovered again in Dorfwiki - where I still use strict TopLevel
Auto Linking - that sometimes disambiguation pages could help. So for
example when the word "Energie" becomes a link (which means Energy in
German) I had to cross it because in 50 percent of cases I meant personal
motvation rather that a physical property of things. So like Wikipedia
works with disambiguation, we also should. We should show the different
contexts and meanings given to a word on the referring wikipage instead of
playing "one word fits all".

http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?Energie

But this, as Sasha correctly adds, requires an almost monastic community
discicpline. We must not only dwell in the present, we must see our
contributions as the emergence of an organically growing almost timeless
body of information. Then the power of the Wiki makes real sense.

I think its not impossible to revolutionize our thinking this way.

Andrius? Others?

Franz

Hi Benoit

minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.com schreibt:
>"Wiki is like having houses and streets."
>
>...have we not then reach the point where we need "white pages directory"
>and "yellow pages directory?"
>
>White pages are for residential and yellow pages are for businesses...
>
>Being in cyber space, we might want to invent a new code of directing
>ourselves, but you get the idea, do we?
>
>Benoit

I like Andrius approach to have horizontal views with Metadata, collect
all dreaams and endavours....

thats like a white pages and yellow pages ;-)

In ProWiki there is also a possibility to link pages with categories,
called "Folders", even if they are nested in personal domains.

all you need to do is write the tag at the end of the page, like in
WikiPedia.

So we can have this structures work both at the same time.

Franz

minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.com schreibt:
>Hi Andrius,
> I find it hard to find connection between wiki pages I made. I feel this
>is counter productive, its like thinking thoughts but not keep them
>together. Its like forgetting them, like they have never been thought. I
>think this is not good, or at least its not useful to me. I would like to
>have some system where I could know which are pages made or modified by
>me. Or eventually make subpages like there is for example: EarthTreasury
>/ AnanyaSGuha.
>Maybe I could make a subwiki SashaMrkailo / Beekeeping  SashaMrkailo /
>Linux and so on.
>

Sasha

I strongly support that feeling and solution. That is the way I SOMETIMES
prefer to work.

I think a lot of the power of Prowiki is in Subpages, fractality and the
incredible possibilities they offer:

So the good thing about ProWiki is that it allows us to have fractal
branches, even Subwikis with own recent pages and hundreds of other
parameters,

please dive into this:

http://www.wikiservice.at/prowiki/wiki.cgi?WikiFractality

its an amazing world of possibilities that unfolds, because we can
organically grow individual endavours and projects and yet link them in
any possible way, for example by metadata.

also the links there are all worthwhile exploring.

On the other hand, there are shared thoughts.

So a top level page in Prowiki has the significance of a shared space.
Wiki is like having houses and streets.
Different degrees of privacy and responsibility - sharing.

I could muse on the beauty of this "virtual city" concept for hours....

Franz

Ed Cherlin and I spoke today. Ed lives in Silicon Valley, California and
leads our Earth Treasury working group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/earthtreasury/ (please join!) and subwiki
http://www.earthtreasury.org He's the leader I'm organizing around for
Minciu Sodas and Worknets vision of education, both adults and children.

Please see below Ed's business plan outline and expertise request. His
goal is to end poverty, oppression, war, disease. His business will
organize all that's needed for the people of a village to organize a
bright future for themselves, including electricity, microfinance,
health services and one laptop per child.

This is all too much to believe. But I think that we do need to think
with Ed's boldness if we're going to address our local situations,
especially our challenges in Africa. I therefore ask us to take up his
challenge, to take him seriously and then, in turn, we will take each
other seriously as well.

What we agreed would be helpful for Ed, and for Worknets as well, and
for our African leaders, would be that we identify those among us who
aspire to be "super lab leaders" such as Samwel Kongere in Rusinga
Island, Kenya. Samwel's fish pond (for food security) is a good example
of the kind of project that Ed's business would find support for.
Together we can look for microcredit (about $2,000) to finance the fish
pond, and look for advice (such as from Jeff Buderer or Ben de Vries) on
how to make the most of the fish pond. And we can think how the fish
pond might be part of the wider effort for a village rebirth. Such
projects will help Ed's business become understandable to those who
might provide larger funds some day. I think it will also help him and
us think about all of the aspects of leading a lab and organizing a
global village, to help us make visible all that we do and should do, to
formulate and meet our expectations. What is our reality? Samwel, Franz
and all, please join Ed's group if you are interested!

Ed is also writing a book of "Lessons on Discovery".
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable
"The chief task in building new learning materials will be discovering
ways to structure learning to maximize the amount of discovery the
children can achieve, with the minimum of direction."
What are the hints that inspire us to discover?
I'm hoping that Ed leads us to create and publish such isolated lessons
that each of us can learn to write so that we have a wonderful
collection of them. I have been thinking about writing "ethics lessons"
for our Worknets culture of independent thinkers - what behavior we
might expect of ourselves and why - because I think this is what truly
is important to teach and learn. I am thinking that mathematical
thinking can be relevant as the kind of models that come up in ethical
situations (sometimes multiplying, sometimes dividing, sometimes adding
or subtracting, for example). In Lithuania, we have participants
interested in making sense of money, and that is another place where
ethics and math come together. Consequently, I will be working on our
wiki interface so that it is helpful for publishing such individual lessons.

Ed and I have creative tension in our different concerns. Ed wants to
respond to poverty and serve those who might help. My own instinct is
that the notion of "poverty" separates people into a caste system of
"us" and "them", whereas if we engage each other as equals (as
independent thinkers with a shared culture), then we are brothers and
sisters and have a natural interest to care for each other and those
around us. In that sense, we multiply our resources and we get a richer
sense in what ways we are rich or poor.

Similarly, Ed has a list of solutions that have proven to work. But I
believe that the people who I'm attracted to, people like Ed, have a
creative streak where they're not so interested to do what's been proven
to work, but want to follow their own path. Furthermore, I think from a
business point of view, that this is the value that we have to offer in
remote villages, that we can be places to experiment and our research
can advance innovations (as in education, ecology, health) that would be
very expensive to develop in a wealthy or established country like the
US or Western Europe. If we ask, what can we offer the west? then I
believe we will discover the business value that Ed can offer.

So I hope that we might coach Ed just as he might coach us. What I
emphasize, though, is that organizing around Ed we have the opportunity
to advance ourselves as leaders of labs, of global villages and of
schools for self-learners. He might link us to the ideas and resources
we need to respond to Samwel's situation of food insecurity and many
other such real challenges that we're facing.

Please join us!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


Edward Cherlin:

I am writing a business plan for Earth Treasury to include
infrastructure (electricity and Internet), education, and
microfinance, all in a virtuous cycle so that it can generate profits
for all concerned and put an end to poverty. I welcome any of you to
discuss how your initiatives could fit in here.

The overall anti-poverty and global empowerment plan is on the Earth
Treasury site. You will see that there is much more to it than this
business idea, such as replacing textbooks with Free digital media.
Here is a quick sketch of what I have in mind right now.

Go into a village, by invitation only, and start with non-technical,
non-financial organizing and planning, as do Sarvodaya and Grameen.
When conditions permit, including some education and training of
children and adults, start microfinance operations. We would like to
provide a telephone, a computer, the electricity to run them, and a
low bandwidth Internet connection to four entrepreneurial groups
(typically five women each). There are relatively easy business
opportunities at that point in e-commerce, with local art and craft
items obtainable nowhere else. We want to provide free information
services on the computer, and paid business services. We must examine
the costs and benefits of education so that we can find opportunities
with a short payback period to finance the longer education cycle to
support a lifetime of work and social engagement.

This begins a virtuous cycle, where every step enables other steps,
and almost all steps are profitable in a fairly short period.

o The Grameen Phone model for village infrastructure at a profit all around.

o The ITC e-choupal model of increasing farm income with village
computing for farmers.

o The Sarvodaya Shramadana model of integrated village development.

o The Partners in Health approach to health care.

o OneVillage Foundation, particularly in Ghana, is involved with
wireless communications, ICT, and education.

o One-to-one computing in education, so that children can do homework
together from their scattered homes and make friends around the world,
among other things. We expect some of those friendships to turn into
global business partnerships in time. One Laptop Per Child provides he
model for the computers, and Sugar Labs for the software. 40-year
computer and education pioneers Alan Kay (Smalltalk, GUIs,
Object-Oriented Programming), Seymour Papert (Logo, Turtle Art), and
Doug Engelbart (Mother of All Demos, Enhancing Collective
Intelligence) are major supporters.

Senator John McCain has recently endorsed the OLPC/Sugar program as a
counter-insurgency strategy. I'm not sure about that, since it might
make targets of the children in some places. But there are XOs in some
of the more difficult areas in Colombia, including Medellin, so maybe.

o Electricity and Internet for even the poorest and most remote
villages. The technology is here, and many for-profit and non-profit
organizations are working on various parts of the problem of
optimizing products and services for every inhabited terrain and
climate. The infrastructure sine qua non. We are negotiating with
SolarNetOne on integrated solar PV/wireless installations for 25 to
1,000 XOs in a school, plus lights, servers, and some outside
businesses.

o Microfinance to complete the loop. Electricity and Internet
businesses can be profitable from the beginning. As children learn
computer skills, more and more opportunities will open up. We are
proposing to start with the Fantsuam Foundation's microfinance project
in Nigeria.

Our part of the program has opened up just recently because OLPC will
now accept orders for fewer than 10,000 XO laptops. The minimum order
is now 25 of the improved XO 1.5 units @ $250, or $6,250.

I don't see any problems in coming up with a financial plan showing
how much capital would be required for various possible rates of
growth. I do foresee numerous, mostly temporary, obstacles from
governments, from corruption, and from culture clashes. I have been
making a study of such problems, which does not mean that I have all
of the answers, but that we have a decent chance of asking the right
questions of the right people.

Many people confidently predict that what we are doing cannot be done.
My view is that it took 50 years for the campaign to end slavery in
the British Empire to come to fruition, and that I don't care whether
we can succeed tomorrow at something that must be done sooner or
later. And that doing it at a profit all around is the only way to do
it sooner.

http://www.laptop.org/ OLPC

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs

http://www.sarvodaya.org/ Sarvodaya Shramadana Movement

http://ipo.grameenphone.com/ Grameen Phone IPO

http://tedblog.typepad.com/tedblog/2006/10/iqbal_quadir_on.html Iqbal
Quadir on TEDTalks: The impact one cell phone can make on a village...

http://www.fantsuam.org/ Fantsuam

http://gnuveau.net/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi SolarNetOne Wiki

http://www.pih.org/ Partners in Health. See also Mountains Beyond
Mountains, by Tracy Kidder; Rx for Survival, PBS

http://www.echoupal.com/ ITC e-choupal program

Harvard Business School on e-choupal

http://harvardbusiness.org/product/itc-echoupal-initiative/an/604016-PDF-ENG
ITC eChoupal Initiative
by David M. Upton, Virginia A. Fuller
20 pages. Publication date: Oct 28, 2003. Prod. #: 604016-PDF-ENG

Soybean farmers in India have traditionally sold their product through
ineffective and frequently dishonest physical marketplaces (mandi).
Farmers are generally poor and often illiterate and are forced to be
"price-takers" after an arduous journey to the mandi. They also have
very limited access to information and education on farming
techniques. Describes the use of Internet technologies to reach these
farmers and, in particular, examines a new system called the eChoupal,
developed by the India...

http://search.hbs.edu:8765/sei/?qt=e-choupal
ITC e-Choupal: Corporate Social Responsibility in Rural India -
Harvard Business Publishing
Case ITC e-Choupal: Corporate Social Responsibility in Rural India by
Ali Farhoomand, Saurabh Bhatnagar 26 pages. Publication date: Jun 30,
2008. Prod. #: HKU765-HCB-ENG Set against the ...
http://harvardbusiness.org/product/itc-e-choupal-corporate-social-
responsibility-in-r/an/HKU765-HCB-ENG?Nao=4580

[PDF] ITC-eChoupal-Platform-Strategy on WRI.PDF
BSAP Conference, HBS Dec 1-3, 2005 ITC eChoupal �Anupindi and
Sivakumar 1 ITC�s e-Choupal A Platform Strategy for Rural
Transformation Ravi Anupindi Stephen M. Ross School of Business
University of Michigan Ann Arbor,...
http://www.hbs.edu/socialenterprise/pdf/2-Anupindi&Sivakumar.pdf

Global Poverty Abstracts - Social Enterprise
Panel 4: Measuring Success at the Base of the Pyramid Panel 5: Civil
Society & Social Entrepreneurship Panel 6: Government Regulation &
Public-Private Partnerships Panel 7: Pre-conditions, Limitations & New
...
http://www.hbs.edu/socialenterprise/globalpoverty-abstracts.html

International Development with an MBA-twist - News
http://media.www.harbus.org/media/storage/paper343/news/2007/02/05/
News/International.Development.With.An.MbaTwist-2694605.shtml

Conference on Global Poverty: Business Solutions & Approaches - Social
Enterprise
A Conference on Global Poverty: Business Solutions and Approaches
December 1-3, 2005 Overview Panel Sessions An index and full text
version of conference abstracts, by panel, is available at Panel
Abstracts Home...
http://www.hbs.edu/socialenterprise/globalpoverty.html

[PDF] FindingMissingMarkets.v25
08-065 Copyright � 2008 by Nava Ashraf, Xavier Gin�, and Dean Karlan
http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/08-065.pdf
--
Edward Mokurai (??/???????????????/????????????? ?) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://earthtreasury.org/

I invite us all to chat tomorrow, Thursday, October 29, starting at 9:00
am New York time, 13:00 am London, 16:00 Nairobi.  Come to our chat room
http://www.worknets.org/chat/

I will be participating at a meeting in Lithuania and explaining how we
can use Internet tools (like chat, wiki, emails) to help people with
their projects.  I want to motivate our team in Lithuania that they can
learn how to use such tools and that they can truly be helpful.  Your
participation will make for concrete examples and help me get my points
across!

For example, Fred Kayiwa is working as an online assistant at our chat
room.  Today he started helping to move some Lithuanian pages from our
Worknets wiki http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values to our Lithuanian
language wiki http://www.ms.lt/lt/wiki.cgi?Vertyb%C4%97s   It's
interesting that he can do that even though he doesn't know Lithuanian!
So this is a good example that Lithuanians can help other people, too,
even if they don't know English.

I ask us all to please visit our chat room when you are online.  Sign in
and say hi and a line or two about what you are doing (just like
Twitter).  And please let me and Fred and Sasha teach you how to help
with our tasks http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks and likewise
please give us your tasks that we can help with.  In this way, we will
have a vibrant help room which will make a sound foundation for our own
"economy of dreams" (of helping each other), but also working as teams
to make a living and make Minciu Sodas, Worknets strong along with all
of our projects.

Ananya Guha has a great project of writing poems for children.
http://www.earthtreasury.org/wiki.cgi?AnanyaSGuha
http:/We can publish them in English and local languages for viewing on
DVD players, digital cameras, mobile phones and that supports Ricaro's
endeavors and Josephat Ndibalema's as well.  Ananya, if you can join us
online at our chat room then we can likewise help more with your lovely
endeavor.

Proscoviour Vunyiwa is an example of a person who I'd like to encourage
to participate more.  You are very skilled and we would greatly benefit
and you could teach others, too!

Samwel Kongere has written about his dream for a fish pond.  We can
respond by looking for microcredit solutions, and by learning from Jeff
Buderer and other about Integrated Farm and Waste Management.  Jeff, can
you advise?  Let's share our dreams!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003

Ananya Guha wrote:
> Dear Andrius,
>
> Thanks very much for the information. In the meantime I am trying to
> continue with my writing texts for children. Kindly have a look, I
> need your help, to put them into a narrative structure, with voice etc
> in DVDs.
>
> Ananya S Guha.

---------------------------------------

Proscoviour Vunyiwa:

Thanks Andrius, I had spoken to Samuel Kongere on phone. If I will be
through with my exams which i will be starting late November and finish
early December, I will travel to Kisumu on 8th so that we can chat the
way forward on how we can work together. I also do carpet weaving on
readily available material and I believe this skill can help improve the
life of someone.   I appreciate your encouragement and getting time to
read my articles.  God bless you.

---------------------------------------

Samwel Kongere:

My dream is a community sustainable agriculture. I've a dream to keep
myself fed and enable about 772 villagers access Tilapia their staple
food, source of protein, commercial earner and make it sustainable to
our livelihood. The people have been depending on this fish trade for
decades but due to too much pressure of famine, destruction of
vegetation and fishing pressure. I really dream of an integrated fish
farming in a FishPond. My preliminary finding shows that it can be
started with Kenya shillings 130,000 (about 1750 USD) which can run to
close at 200,000 or so (about 2700 USD) to make it sustainable and
transferable to the next generation. After several consultations with my
comrades in Networks in Mendenyo, Rusinga island, the Kawala Women
development group who appear on a picture in my profile in MS wiki,
Udogo youth Development, YUVA (Youth for Unity and Voluntary Actions),
RIDFI (Rusinga Island Youth Development Forum Initiative) all registered
with the government and based in Rusinga Island in the New district of
Mbita! We are working on 'A Living hope is desire'. If sustainability in
Agriculture can sustain livelihood, then Enviromental friendly will be a
long vested venture amongst dreams to create water catchment. My hope is
to have specialist volunteers locally and internationally to aid this
dream. A volunteer house can be constructed to save expenses, logical
food security.

See also other dreams at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams for our
economy of dreams.

------------------------------------

Sasha Mrkailo:

Hi Andrius,
  I find it hard to find connection between wiki pages I made. I feel this is
counter productive, its like thinking thoughts but not keep them together. Its
like forgetting them, like they have never been thought. I think this is not
good, or at least its not useful to me. I would like to have some system where I
could know which are pages made or modified by me. Or eventually make subpages
like there is for example: EarthTreasury / AnanyaSGuha.
Maybe I could make a subwiki SashaMrkailo / Beekeeping  SashaMrkailo / Linux and
so on.

Sasha, that's a good idea and I can make such a report!  Thank you for your
ideas for improvements.  Andrius

Hi Andrius,
  I find it hard to find connection between wiki pages I made. I feel this is
counter productive, its like thinking thoughts but not keep them together. Its
like forgetting them, like they have never been thought. I think this is not
good, or at least its not useful to me. I would like to have some system where I
could know which are pages made or modified by me. Or eventually make subpages
like there is for example: EarthTreasury / AnanyaSGuha.
Maybe I could make a subwiki SashaMrkailo / Beekeeping  SashaMrkailo / Linux and
so on.

Sasha

Sasha,

I recently said that I think Dreamfish targets in the same direction as
Minciu Sodas.

let little fish come together and create an economy of dreams.

It would be good if more such families emerged.


I am pretty convinced that Andrius has a lot of powerful ideas that will
influence the building of a culture.

Butt he culture will only grow through the modern equivalents of
families, tribes and nations.

So that is good to have kinship here ;-)

Franz

"Sasha" <frogkailo@...> wrote:

[Sasha: I presume this is copyrighted]


Newsletter Header World Graphic

Dear Sasha,

I hope you and yours are enjoying this fall. I am excited to reconnect, announce
good news aplenty, and invite you to participate!

Dreamfish is a member-operated work cooperative of independents and
entrepreneurs. We work together, and learn together in pursuit of our dreams and
a thriving world.

Working together, we can lift us all up! Every individual can be a positive
agent of change. And when we embrace our diversity as we work, we can not only
make a living, we can also innovate new forms of enterprise that meet the
challenges we face in these times.

Riding out the economic storm on the strength of commitment by our community, we
have accomplished much in the past months.  I feel deep appreciation to the
members of Dreamfish, volunteering their energy and time to make our new work
world.

A special shout out to Johannes Klose for Video editing, Maureen O'Malley for
User Experience, Peter Kaminski for technology strategy, Scott Moore for
community management, and Julia Singh for web development. A warm welcome and
applause to new service members -  Sabahat iFaqeer for technical writing, Bryan
Smith and Dean Mah for systems administration, Ariel Goodman for organizing and
Kristy Graves for social media.

There's a lot to do when creating a global work coop! To help Dreamfish to grow,
you can help to recruit dreamfish leaders by sharing job and project postings.
We will soon announce more opportunities on our Facebook page.


Tiff von EmmelMay we bring forth our dreams,

Tiffany
Tiffany von Emmel, PhD
Founder of Dreamfish


P.S. To stay more in touch with Dreamfish, please join our new Facebook page,
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Please, scroll below for the main news.
Global Meetup: First Wednesday of month
First Wednesday of the month
Next meetup: November 4th
Check your timezone
Format: phone, chat and web

Dreamfish's monthly Meetup is a special opportunity for members to learn and
share with entrepreneurs from different regions of the world, and from different
walks of life. Each month, we will focus on one topic of collaboration and
practice together. We will use real case projects of our members.

Sign up for the Global Meetup!


New Dreamfish Group: Berkeley Marina, U.S.A.

Thursday, October 29th, 6-8pm

Dreamfish members are now building local groups. The next group to kick-off is
on October 29th in Berkeley Marina, California.

A Dreamfish group offers a way for members to build professional relationships,
learn from one another and create mutual support for the growth of each person's
business or project.  Groups are run by Dreamfish members.

Berkeley Marina meetings will be held on Thursdays at 6pm - 7pm by phone or
in-person.  The group is open to new members. Once amonth, the group will meet
in person  at the beautiful OCSC Sailing School, overlooking the SFBay. To join,
please attend an in-person meeting.

Cost: Attend for free. Read about the Ten Up membership model.

To sign up now, join the group on Facebook

Have questions? email group contact: Jennine Cohen
Berlin Biergarten Party in San Francisco!

This Sunday
October 25th, 1-5pm

Join us for Oktoberfest, Berlin style! Come give a cheer for Oktoberfest and
give a farewell cheer to Johannes Klose, a core Dreamfish member, who has been
in San Francisco for the past year, and is returning to Germany.

Schnitzel and vegetarian falafel. Turkish indie music playing. German, Spanish,
Dutch, Urdu, Russian - try speaking any language. And oh, yes, Bier. Lemonade or
tea, if you prefer.

Where:  At Tiff's house, under the Bier Tent, either inside or outdoors,
depending on our San Francisco weather.

What to bring: a favorite type of beer, or anything you might find in Berlin in
Oktober

What to wear: Anything recycled or from the 80's

RSVP and Directions
About Dreamfish
Sustainable work for all!

Dreamfish is a global work cooperative of entrepreneurs and independents.
Dreamfish offers project hiring, peer learning groups, online tools for
project-based work, and Agile project management practices. We get really jazzed
about creating high inclusion, alleviating poverty, and realizing big dreams.

Find out more by visiting Dreamfish

If you want to get involved in building Dreamfish, visit Dreamfish Service Hub.

--- End forwarded message ---

Hi Anthony,

Great to hear from you!
I appreciate your help to start discussion in Spanish at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_ES/

Also, I encourage you to link up with Charles Williams who is closing
the digital divide in South Chicago
http://www.servicesbywilliams.com
http://www.shopsouthchicago.com
See his article about David Ellison-Bey:
http://www.shopsouthchicago.com/news.html

David is losing his home to foreclosure.  We wrote his hardship letter
last year:
http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2008/10/the-includerepisode-5hardship-letter005.html
but the latest news is not good.
I wish we could organize some help for him.  He's a wonderful person
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?DavidEllison-Bey
Perhaps you could call him (773) 874-3332 and even visit him?

What are you thinking about?

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


bilingualnewspaper wrote:
> Greetings from Chicago!
>
> After a few years of depression, after a big betrayal of Andy Pincon, whom
Andrius met him at Meda in Chicago.  I'm ready to forgive & forget! Roll my
sleeves.
>
> I
> 'd like to Join your group to help close the Digital Divide among the Latino
Community in the USA & Latin America.
>
> Check out: http://www.AMERICAenEspanol.com
>
> http://www.BILINGUALMAGAZINE.COM
>
> Truly yours, your friend,
>
> Anthony Diaz
> Founder
> T: (773) 501.8390
> Editor@...
>
>

Hi, this is a very important opportunity for our Minciu Sodas
participants in the European Union (and Norway, Turkey). Franz Nahrada
is hosting a workshop at his hotel in Vienna, Austria from January
17-28. I plan to be there. We will work on video communications projects
(like video bridges, video content) for adult education. The EU covers
the costs (food, accomodation) and reimburses your flights. We want to
have a dynamic group of people. Please consider participating, respond
at our groups if you are interested, and help us spread the word!
Thank you, Andrius Kulikauskas, ms@..., +370 699 30003, http://www.ms.lt

Franz Nahrada wrote:
> Dear Globalvillagers
>
> There has been a goad deal of expressions of interest in the workshop we
> are doing in winter in Vienna,
>
> http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop
>
> but we need to get the formal applications in now in order to organize the
> whole thing.
>
> So please download the application form here
>
>
http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/LearnerRegistrati\
onFormDownload
>
> and if you decide that this is REALLY for you then fill it out, add a
> little image with your signed signature and send it by email to us, the
> national Life Long Learning agency in your country and the Austrian
> agency!!
>
> We are also writing to rural development actors all around Europe, because
> as I told Pamela in replying to her comment below we welcome academics but
> we also would like to see the presence of people who actually are involved
> in some regional education or community /neighborhood / village building
> program.
>
> We also would welcome having fillmakers like Synnove Mathe or internet TV
> professionals like Zenonas Anusauskas, but we have these few restriction:
> partcipants dont pay and they dont get paid by us, they are meant to be
> teachers and students alike. We pay for travel and accomodation, they
> participate actively and contribute constructively. They need to be fluent
> in English.
>
> So please, spread this new call, and if you want to come, you might also
> use it to find additional sources of support in your country or community!
>
> Franz
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> This is a call for people that are both passionate for regional or local
> development and new technologies to help and facilitate the growth of
> community cohesion and cooperation throughout Europe - for the benefit of
> our villages, small towns and rural areas.
>
> The question is: can the gap between education - rich urban environments
> on one side and and rural  and peripheral areas be bridged by new and
> unconventional combinations between modern Internet technologies and the
> emergence of new learning channels and places in regional systems.
>
> The answer to this question is crucial also for "bridging the broadband
> gap": the emergence of new communication infrastructures is very directly
> linked to feasible and practical ideas and models to use them and the
> concrete expression of needs.
>
> We suggest a model of "Global Villages", that means that every region and
> regional policy in Europe pays increasing attention to the emergence of
> specific locations (be it central, be it decentral) that can technically
> and culturally, through competence and understanding, through linkage to
> the main local actors and the awareness of needs, facilitate a growing
> exchange of knowledge and experience between the regions, towns and
> villages of Europe.
>
> To achieve that, they create or use internet access points like
> telecentres, libraries, community centers, educational places or places of
> entirely different nature and they start an interactive learning process
> by video communication including modren presentation technologies.
>
> Such an approach towards a "Global Village" has been successfully started
> some time ago in the Austrian Village of Kirchbach in Styria. We have been
> able to observe a constant interest from local population in educational
> activities that were totally unusual in a village setting - university
> lectures interactively transmitted from Graz and other places by video
> technologies - for now about five full years!! 80 lectures and even
> week-long congresses have been synchronously transmitted. The range of
> themes was broad: Positive Visions of the Future, Sustainability,
> Agriculture, Technology, History, Languages, Culture, Literature, Theology
> and others. One thing was important and unusual: there was a local person
> kowledgeable enough to even hold a lecture if the transmission would fail.
> And this very person was channeling the local questions to the remote
> speaker and continuing the discussion after transmission has ended.
>
> We did a little film on that:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1115065278070024444&hl=en#
> or
> http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/VideoInEnglish
>
> We have been encouraged by this success to think about a "virtual
> university of the villages" and move towards a more horizontal and
> peer2peer scheme of education, where we use in a sharing spirit our best
> offers to complement each other. We should share our best knowledge and
> our best offerings in order for others to do the same and we should create
> a community that guards fair use. Thus we will multiply our possibilities
> and reach many people at many places at the same time.
>
> So from this background we want to issue the following invitation:
>
> >From January 17th (arrival) to 28th /departure) we will bring people from
> all over Europe together who have some experience in the field. We want to
> augment the techniques and methods of videobridging in particular, on the
> background also of using stored videos as learning materials in general.
> We want to get and give new impulses. We can finance travel and
> accomodation costs for 16 participants supported by the Grundtvig/LifeLong
> learning program of the European union.
>
> if you are interested, please continue reading here:
>
> http://www.videobridge.at/GrundtvigWorkshop
>
> best regards
>
>
> Mag. Franz Nahrada
> GIVE Forschungsgesellschaft - Labor f�r Globale D�rfer
> Globally Integrated Village Environment
> Research Lab for Global Villages
> Jedleseer Strasse 75
> 1210 Wien
> Tel. 01-2787801
> http://www.dorfwiki.org
> http://www.globalvillages.info
> f.nahrada(_AT_)reflex.at
> f.nahrada(_AT_)give.at
>
> ###############################################################
>
>
>
> Pamela McLean has opened a thread in her blog to work with our invitation:
>
>
http://www.dadamac.net/blog/20090929/franz-nahrada-ssl-workshop-and-dreampartner\
s
>
> Thank you Franz for sending me the information (including application
> form) about the workshop on "Streaming, Sharing and Learning (SSL) � The
> options for and the use of Interactive Digital Video over long distances
> in adult education".In your (personal) email you asked me to help you get
> the message out to the right people, and so I am replying to you through a
> dadamac openletter. This way it will be easy to share this with others now
> andl ater.
>
> Thank you for encouraging me to apply. I would appreciate the opportunity
> to do what the workshop offers and "look into thepossibilities of
> connecting learning communities especially indisadvantaged areas, using
> broadband video".
>
> Relevance to Dadamac
>
> Certainly the workshop is very relevant to Dadamac. The
> learningcommunities that we are concerned with are in very disadvantaged
> areas.Allthough we are not yet able to use broadband video to solve
> thoseproblems, we are always planning ahead. We still have some
> seriousbandwidth issues, regarding connections between UK and Nigeria,
> butthings are dramatically improved from when John Dada and I were firstin
> contact, and they keep getting better. We have been able toparticipate in
> audio-graphic conferencing in the past, on specialoccasions (but I think
> it was with the co-operation of others who would normally have been
> sharing the connection at Fantsuam and who held back on our behalf).
>
> Taking the long view we are very interested in how all digitaltechnologies
> can support learning at the proposed Midlands Universityof Technology
> (Midlands Uni Tech) as it develops.  The connectionsbetween Midlands Uni
> Tech, Attachab Eco-village, Dadamac Learners, andthe Cisco acadamy at
> Fantsuam Foundation, all point towards overlapwith the interests of Global
> Villages and also with the use ofinteractive digital video.
>
>
> Professional dreampartners
>
> I love the expression you used, asking me to encourge my"professional
> dreampartners" to apply. It got me thinking - whatexactly would that mean,
> and who would my own "professional dreampartners" be? I guess it would be
> people who have helped me shapei deas and dreams and plans. I guess the
> word "professional" points to a"working/studying" context (rather than
> personal life). I assume"professional" is not there to distinguish between
> paid and unpaid work (as in professional or amateur).
>
> My professional dreampartners .... I guess it would be easier toname them
> if I worked with people in a team, on a regular basis, in a shared
> physical location, doing creative work - the people there mightbe my
> "dreampartners". But I don''t belong in that environment.
>
> So who are my dream-partners? Who are the people who help me to dream and
> to realise my dreams about education and ICT and teh changing nature of
> learning opportunities in the 21st century? I guess you could say that
> anyone who has helped me to bounce ideas around and develop them has been
> a dream partner - even if only for a very short fragmentof a dream. Howver
> I think that to count as a full dreampartner peopleneed to be around for
> longer, and have greater areas of shared interest- so perhaps my
> professional dreampartners  are people who I recognise as my teachers and
> enablers.
>
>
> Teachers and enablers
> Who then are my teachers and enablers? These are the ones who first spring
> to mind:
>
> John Dada:
>
> John's vision and projects in rural Nigeria gives me
> practicalopportunities for innovative collaborative work related to
> newapproaches to learning.
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas:
>
> Through his "Orchard of Thoughts" (Minciu Sodas), AndriusKulikauskas gave
> me the online space to explore any ideas I wanted to, and, like a bee
> buzzing from tree to tree, he cross-pollinated my ideas and thoughts with
> those of others in Minciu Sodas (introducing me to so many wonderful
> people and groups along the way). Having free use of his facilities
> (especially the inter-related discussion groups and the chat room) has
> enabled me to try things out in practice as well as discussing them, and
> his open and challenging discussions of thorny issues has also been a
> great stimulus to my own thinking. To me, my time at Minciu Sodas has
> given me opportunities for study and research that I might otherwise only
> have got by enrolling for a higer degree at a traditional university.
>
>
> Helmut Leitner:
>
> Helmut helped me to "get unstuck" with Dadamac by offering hisknowledge of
> pattern-languages as a framework, and then giving me histime for regular
> weekly sessions of thinking things through.
>
>
> Limiting the list
>
> This list of people who help me to learn could go on and on -ranging from
> people who help me think in theoretical ways to people whohelp me to do
> very practical things. However, you won't want my fulllist, just those are
> interested in Streaming, Sharing and Learning(SSL) � The options for and
> the use of Interactive Digital Video overlong distances in adult
> education. Also your workshop is limited topeople in Europe. I think that
> narrows it down to some academics Iconnect with - and you.
>
> Including academics
>
> To be honest, I am reluctant to encourage academics to take yourprecious
> places, as academics are able to go to so many other workshopsall the time
> at no cost to themselves.  However, we do want to helpenable communication
> between practitioners and academics and it is hardfor practitioners to
> attend the conferences where academics gather, soperhaps this might be an
> opportunity to cross that divide. if you areencouraging academics (or "an
> academic") to attend let me know and Iwill pass the information on.
>
> Pam
>
>

Pamela McLean wrote:
> Hi Andrius and Everyone
>
> Next Thursday is first Thursday of  the month again.  So it's time for
> my usual invitation to you to join me in the chat room, and my usual
> thanks to Andrius for making it possible.  All being well I will be
> around for an hour as usual starting - 13.00 Nigerian time, 15,00
> Kenyan time, 13.00 British Summer time, 12.00 GMT.
>
> To enter the chat room go to  http://www.worknets .org/chat/ base/
> <http://www.worknets.org/chat/base/>
>
> Everyone - If you do know in advance that you plan to be there, or if
> there is something special you want to discuss, then please reply to
> the list and "advertise the fact" if you have time. It is the hope of
> meeting others with shared interests that attracts people to the chat
> room. Your email may be just the thing that persuades some one to come
> along
>
> I am aware that various practical projects that the Dadamac community
> is doing (or hoping to do) in Nigeria overlap the interests and needs
> of people in Minciu Sodas (related to aspects of rural development,
> farming, electrical power, etc.) I am very interested to see the best
> way to enable closer collaboration between the Dadamac community and
> Minciu Sodas.  Perhaps some of these items of overlap will feature in
> our discussions.
>
> Pam

Hi Pamela, I share news of your chat.  Monica Bernardo is interested in
your chats and I've alerted her and I hope she can come.

I won't be able to chat because I will be in Barcelona for the COMMUNIA
meeting.  I will be back in Lithuania on Sunday.  I did finish my US and
Lithuanian income taxes.  So when I come back I will be ready for many
new projects, especially looking for new clients.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003
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