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RE: [minciu_sodas_en] note to minciu

Re Annette's question as to how to turn on that "spark" needed for writing,
sometimes buried thoughts or images (that "spark" of inspiration) will float
up from the subconscious when you turn your conscious thoughts to something
else--do some other kind of work and don't even think about the subject you
were trying so hard to pursue earlier. (We all know how this works when
we're trying to think of a name we can't recall. That name comes
eventually--but only when we stop trying to think of it and do something
else.)

Sometimes, too, motion can start the flow of the mental processes needed for
writing or any other task that requires inspiration. Have you tried
walking, turning on water, or getting into water, Annette? These work for
me. With poetry, too, sometimes the necessity to adhere to a particular
form brings out surprising lines and images. I discovered this when I wrote
a sestina. I had to choose six words, each of which then had to be used at
the end of one line in six stanzas containing six lines each; and these six
ending words had to occur in each successive stanza in a different, but
carefully prescribed, order. The same six words also had to be used in the
middle and at the end of a final three-line "envoi." What comes out of an
exercise like this can be quite surprising. Below is a sestina I consider
one of the best I've ever encountered. The only way this varies from the
usual sestina is that the ending envoi, which is usually three lines long,
is truncated in this poem so that it's only a single line. That seems quite
appropriate considering the theme of the poem, death. "Wesli Court," I just
found out (ain't the Internet wonderful?!), is the pseudonymn of Lewis
Turco, who has written a couple of books about poetry, including a couple of
top-of-the-line books on form in poetry. He's also written a number of
formal poems (i.e., poems that follow a form of one type or another):


THE OBSESSION


Last night I dreamed my father died again,
a decade and a year after he dreamed
of death himself, pitched forward into night.
His world of waking flickered out and died--
an image on a screen. He is the father
now of fitful dreams that last and last.

I dreamed again my father died at last.
He stood before me in his flesh again.
I greeted him. I said, "How are you father?"
But he looked frailer than last time I'd dreamed
we were together, older than when he'd died--
I saw upon his face the look of night.

I dreamed my father died again last night.
He stood before a mirror. He looked his last
into the glass and kissed it. He saw he'd died.
I put my arms about him once again
to help support him as he fell. I dreamed
I held the final heartburst of my father.

I died again last night: I dreamed my father
kissed himself in glass, kissed me goodnight
in doing so. But what was it I dreamed
in fact? An injury that seems to last
without abatement, opening again
and yet again in dream? Who was it died

again last night? I dreamed my father died,
but it was not he--it was not my father,
only an image flickering again
upon the screen of dream out of the night.
How long can this cold image of him last?
Whose is it, his or mine? Who dreams he dreamed?

My father died. Again last night I dreamed
I felt his struggling heart still as he died
beneath my failing hands. And when at last
he weighed me down, then I laid down my father,
covered him with silence and with night.
I could not bear it should he come again--

I died again last night, my father dreamed.


--Wesli Court


When I first copied this poem, I made a typo. I typed the 4th line in the
5th stanza as, " . . . upon the scream of dream out of the night." Then I
realized that Court had constructed that line so that the reader is bound,
because of the proximity of the word "dream," to hear "scream" as well as
the word that's actually in the line--"screen"! And how about that ending
for the first stanza: "He is the father/now of fitful dreams that last and
last"? Doesn't that one resonate forever?

I wish I could write as well as Wesli Court!

Best to all--
Marjorie (Carlsbad, CA)
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-----Original Message-----
From: anetro11@... [mailto:anetro11@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:35 PM
To: minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [minciu_sodas_en] note to minciu


Hi,
I am on the trail of "brainstorming", or to be more graphic, "savant
thought". First there is the discipline of mentally working ideas out, then
the work of writing, and then something else, which is - that quick idea
that
changes everything. The order is probably not important.
There is possibly a genetic component to thinking called "savant". We
all have it, yet it is buried in convention and learning. I, for one, must
learn to trust the "savant" since I believe it is there and will spring into
consciouness when much of the work is done, when one is relaxed, or when
one's mind is a blank. Work, however structured with thought, is rather
hopeless without that spark. That spark saves the day every time. As an
example, I wrote a poem named "Dust". It was nice and well constructed, yet
similar to other poems with the theme of dust to dust. What saved it was
one
line, "I put feathers in hats like my grandmother."
Since the thought and working disciplines are in place for me, how do I
touch that "brainstorm" or "spark" or "savant"?
My best, Annette


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Hi, I am on the trail of "brainstorming", or to be more graphic, "savant thought". First there is the discipline of mentally working ideas out, then the work...
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Re Annette's question as to how to turn on that "spark" needed for writing, sometimes buried thoughts or images (that "spark" of inspiration) will float up...
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Mar 12, 2001
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Dear Minciu, I have been thinking a lot about "brainstorming". Although doing crosswords is a time waster, it trains the mind to concentrate and it gives the...
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I have been following Annette's analysis of thinking and creativity with interest and agreement and would like to share a different view of the same phenomena....
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Yes, it's resonates! However, did you mean to write, "Our minds seem to be terribly ILL [emphasis added] at ease with uncertainty," John? Or did you really...
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Well, I see that I, too, make typos. I meant to write, below, "Yes, it resonates!" Marjorie ... From: Marjorie Rosenfeld...
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Dear minciu, I decided with Adnrius that I would not join, as I don't know what I'm joining and without joining I can from time to time make some comments. ...
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6:37 am

Dear minciu, Why is this writing back and forth so expensive? $100,000? A web site is a few dollars a month and e-mail is $21 or so a month. What is the ...
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Dear minciu, I believe Daniel and John are into good approaches. If only the flexibility in mental approaches might happen naturally. I have found that ...
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Dear minciu, I'm not sure about the coaching idea because we all coach each other and we pick up ideas as we go along from everyone. I like the way things are ...
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Annette, Thank you very much for your ideas. Workshops might be very good. I'm intrigued by your Module approach, but didn't quite understand it. What do you...
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Dear minciu, The word Module is my coined word for Model. However, Model is often on paper and doesn't give me enough visuals to complete a task. Module is a...
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Annette wrote first, "I've thought of several ideas to secure grants. One might be the Workshop approach. If something starts to interest many of us, we...
Marjorie Rosenfeld
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Dear minciu, Yes, I like Marjorie's idea of Workshop as walnut and Module as shell. It's not such a large construction, easier to relate to. In my own mind, ...
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Dear minciu, Both Marjorie and John are correct. For some school is a haven for learning and understanding. For others, perhaps most, school is a mind ...
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I think that is it not a simple question. For me learning has always been the most important thing in my life - intellectual stimulation, constant exercise of...
Shannon J. Clark
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Mar 30, 2001
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Before this thread disappears, I want to add a comment. Both Shannon's letter about his school-days and Schuy's response bring up very relevant points which...
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Apr 2, 2001
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Thank you, Natalie, for your letter. And thank you to everybody who contributed to this thread. I was especially touched by Shannon's and Schuy's...
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I wonder why Annette has concluded that the "halo" effect "helps a few and destroys everything else it touches." Here's the description of the "halo"...
Marjorie Rosenfeld
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Mar 31, 2001
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Dear minciu, Marjorie is correct. The "halo effect" does some good. A few children in each classroom will benefit. This has a down side. From the start,...
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Hi Annette- ... I was brainwashed by the "halo effect" in high school and for most of my undergraduate years, and I believe that it does the most damage to...
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Dear minciu, I hope everyone gets the book "Genome" by Matt Ridley. It will blow your mind and you will never be the same again. I've been a little right ...
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Hello, Annette, ... Could you say in few words the main idea of this book which impressed you most ?.. Best wishes, Saulius...
Saulius Maskeliunas
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Dear Andrius, I thought this was a workspace. I thought we were all working in a space and that we all understood that space, to communicate and to share ...
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Dear minciu, I agree with John totally. Morality is both a matter of conscience and also of political choice. That's why everyone is so in a flux, can't...
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Dear minciu, I printed out Marjorie's article on evolution by James Glanz and will study it in detail. Thanks. My best, Annette...
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Dear minciu, I love the idea of exchanging experiences, especially the story of how a new idea came about. Thanks, Natalie My best, Annette...
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Dear minciu, The most important aspect of caring about thinking, I believe, is to stand alone against absolute authority and make an intelligent decision. As ...
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Dear minciu, I don't believe that I can connect with G-d on this level. There is a nameless power that created DNA, and before that RNA and before that we...
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Hi, I think that we should just throw out ideas, any idea that might help someone else with what they are creating. We shouldn't have to be conserned about...
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