Is there anyone on this list who can assist with this previously and recently
posted request.

I have traced my paternal GGrandfather John HALL (b1843) as having been enlisted
in the Galway Militia (Service Number 19221) up to 1861 - when he also enlisted
in the 65th.

I wish to trace details about the Galway Militia, where they recruited from
around Loughrea, and gain as much info as possible. This in order to trace the
family and ancestors of my HALL line.

I am posting on this group in the hope that someone may have this specialist
knowledge and information on the Galway Militia in general and specifically).

Please, is there sks who may be able to help.

Thanks for that Maggie. Unfortunately I am in Sweden so contacting the Museum in
personleaves me in my current plight.  However, I shall write to them. I wasn't
aware of that resource, thank you again.

--- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Maggie D" <johnmaggie11@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Collins Barracks has a muesium attached now+Ive heard they have records
for those who joined both the Irish+British Armys. But you will need to check
this out.
> It's beside the Pheonix Park in Dublin.
> Maggie the Dub
> --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Hall" <dannywh@> wrote:
> >
> > Paternal GGrandfather John HALL joined the 65th at Birr in 1861 aged 18. His
Attestation states that he was from Ballinakill, Loughrea, Galway. There are no
other details of his parentage or origins.
> > He was charged with fraudulent enlistment from the Galway Militia but
suffered demotion only and served out his time in NZ, and East Indies.
> >
> > I am looking for information on the Galway Militia in an attempt to find
John HALL, where he signed on, his ancestors, and where actually he was
born.(Which Ballinakill??)
> >
> > (The Galway Militia "papers" in WO96 are not released on FMP until later
this year)
> >
>

My Grandfather before he joined The Munster Fusiliers in 1897 was in the Militia
in West Limerick, can any one give me information on this particular outfit?
West Limerick covers the area Newcastle West, Foynes, Glin, Athea, Abbeyfeale
etc

 

Is there anyone on this list who can assist with this previously and recently posted request.

I have traced my paternal GGrandfather John HALL (b1843) as having been enlisted in the Galway Militia (Service Number 19221) up to 1861 - when he also enlisted in the 65th.

I wish to trace details about the Galway Militia, where they recruited from around Loughrea, and gain as much info as possible. This in order to trace the family and ancestors of my HALL line.

I am posting on this group in the hope that someone may have this specialist knowledge and information on the Galway Militia in general and specifically).

Please, is there sks who may be able to help.

 

My Grandfather before he joined The Munster Fusiliers in 1897 was in the Militia in West Limerick, can any one give me information on this particular outfit? West Limerick covers the area Newcastle West, Foynes, Glin, Athea, Abbeyfeale etc

Hi Danny, where did you find the information on the Galway Militia my
g/grandfather was from Galway also no idea of the location.
He was probably a decade younger than your relative.
I have been trying to get information on him for a while. I would appreciate the
information.
Thank you
Marie


--- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Hall" <dannywh@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that Maggie. Unfortunately I am in Sweden so contacting the Museum
in personleaves me in my current plight.  However, I shall write to them. I
wasn't aware of that resource, thank you again.
>
> --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Maggie D" <johnmaggie11@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi, Collins Barracks has a muesium attached now+Ive heard they have records
for those who joined both the Irish+British Armys. But you will need to check
this out.
> > It's beside the Pheonix Park in Dublin.
> > Maggie the Dub
> > --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Hall" <dannywh@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Paternal GGrandfather John HALL joined the 65th at Birr in 1861 aged 18.
His Attestation states that he was from Ballinakill, Loughrea, Galway. There are
no other details of his parentage or origins.
> > > He was charged with fraudulent enlistment from the Galway Militia but
suffered demotion only and served out his time in NZ, and East Indies.
> > >
> > > I am looking for information on the Galway Militia in an attempt to find
John HALL, where he signed on, his ancestors, and where actually he was
born.(Which Ballinakill??)
> > >
> > > (The Galway Militia "papers" in WO96 are not released on FMP until later
this year)
> > >
> >
>

Perhaps you could say a little mire about what you are interested in finding out
or whether you just want to know something about the Limerick Militia?

In the meantime here is link to some information on the GENUKI site:

http://homepage.eircom.net/~dinglemaps/genuki/KER/Military/#top

Regards

Donnacha

--- On Sat, 2/12/11, John <athearover@...> wrote:
From: John <athearover@...>
Subject: [milgenire] West Limerick Militia
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 6:57 AM

My Grandfather before he joined The Munster Fusiliers in 1897 was in the Militia
in West Limerick, can any one give me information on this particular outfit?
West Limerick covers the area Newcastle West, Foynes, Glin, Athea, Abbeyfeale
etc

Dia daoibh uilig! / Hello!

My grandfather enlisted in the British army in August 1915. A motor mechanic by trade, he served in the (Royal) Army Service Corps. He later emigrated to America and in a curriculum vitae he wrote in 1947 he said that in WWI he had joined "the Irish Brigade”. 

I have never heard of such a formation in the context of WWI. I assume that, for whatever reason, my grandfather coined that expression but I thought I would post a query about it here on the forum in case I am wrong.

Éamann 

Dia daoibh uilig / Hello!

I posted a query here several months ago about my great-grandfather George Magee who had served in Burma in the 19th. century and I would like to thank again those who made the effort to try and help me at that time. 

I have since learned a lot about him and I have now some Ireland-specific questions on which I would like to have your comments and suggestions.

An uncle in America sent me recently photos of two medals belonging to George – one a Green Howards medal and the other an India General Service medal with a Burma 1885-7 clasp. On the advice of contributors to the “Victorian Wars" forum (http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=4953) my uncle was able to read George's regiment details on the rim of the India medal; it reads: "1789 Cpl G. Magee, 2d Bn L’pool R."

This information is repeated in a medal roll on Ancestry.com: Corpral G Magee, Regt. No. 1789, 2nd Battalion The Kings Liverpool Regt. awarded the Indian General Sevice Medal with 'Burma 1885-87' clasp. According to the medal roll he was invalided.

I am intrigued at to why my ggfather had both a Green Howards and a Liverpool Regiment medal. Did he enlist first in the Green Howards, leave and then join the Liverpool Regiment? Were there any special links between the Green Howards and the Liverpool Regiment? 

The Liverpool Regiment were stationed in Ireland (but I do not know where exactly) from 1873 to 1876 and in 1877 were sent to the East Indies. The Green Howards were stationed in Ireland between 1881 and 1885. Would anyone know if either regiment was ever stationed in Tullamore, since it seems that that is where George went after being invalided out of the army?

Could George have joined either regiment in Dublin or would he have needed to go to England to do so? At that time what was the minimum length of time a man had to serve when “he took the King’s shilling”?

Are there any Irish sources which I could consult which might shed some light on the question?

Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to give me!

Eamann

 

Dia daoibh uilig / Hello!

I posted a query here several months ago about my great-grandfather George Magee who had served in Burma in the 19th. century and I would like to thank again those who made the effort to try and help me at that time. 

I have since learned a lot about him and I have now some Ireland-specific questions on which I would like to have your comments and suggestions.

An uncle in America sent me recently photos of two medals belonging to George – one a Green Howards medal and the other an India General Service medal with a Burma 1885-7 clasp. On the advice of contributors to the “Victorian Wars" forum (http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=4953) my uncle was able to read George's regiment details on the rim of the India medal; it reads: "1789 Cpl G. Magee, 2d Bn L’pool R."

This information is repeated in a medal roll on Ancestry.com: Corpral G Magee, Regt. No. 1789, 2nd Battalion The Kings Liverpool Regt. awarded the Indian General Sevice Medal with 'Burma 1885-87' clasp. According to the medal roll he was invalided.

The details on the Green Howards medal show that it dates from after 1875. In any case, my ggfather would have been only 15 at that time, having been born in Dublin in approx. 1860. 

Going by the information given on the "Army Service Numbers" website, it looks at though George joined the Liverpool regiment in the summer of 1886. He was injured in Burma, lost his left arm and was invalided out of the army in, I guess, 1887. In January 1888 he married in Tullamore, and gave "army pensioner" as his occupation.

I am intrigued at to why my ggfather had both a Green Howards and a Liverpool Regiment medal. Did he enlist first in the Green Howards, leave and then join the Liverpool Regiment? Were there any special links between the Green Howards and the Liverpool Regiment? 

The Liverpool Regiment were stationed in Ireland (but I do not know where exactly) from 1873 to 1876 and in 1877 were sent to the East Indies. The Green Howards were stationed in Ireland between 1881 and 1885. Would anyone know if either regiment was ever stationed in Tullamore, since it seems that that is where George went after being invalided out of the army?

Could George have joined either regiment in Dublin or would he have needed to go to England to do so? At that time what was the minimum length of time a man had to serve when “he took the King’s shilling”?

Are there any Irish sources which I could consult which might shed some light on the question?

Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to give me!

Eamann

PS My ggfather enlisted again in the Army in 1915, aged 55 as he was and despite the loss of his left arm, and served as a drill inspector. He was living in Belfast at the time. Would a man in his position have wanted to enlist again in his old regiment, the Liverpool Regiment, and would that have been feasible in Belfast? Or would he have to opt for a local regiment like the Royal Irish Fusiliers? In 1917 he was transferred to the Labour Corps. I have a photo of him dating from 1918 in the company of Royal Irish Fusiliers soldiers, but the badge on his cap is different from theirs, he then being in the Labour Corps.

 

Dia daoibh uilig / Hello!

I posted a query here several months ago about my great-grandfather George Magee who had served in Burma in the 19th. century and I would like to thank again those who made the effort to try and help me at that time. 

I have since learned a lot about him and I have now some Ireland-specific questions on which I would like to have your comments and suggestions.

An uncle in America sent me recently photos of two medals belonging to George – one a Green Howards medal and the other an India General Service medal with a Burma 1885-7 clasp. On the advice of contributors to the “Victorian Wars" forum (http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=4953) my uncle was able to read George's regiment details on the rim of the India medal; it reads: "1789 Cpl G. Magee, 2d Bn L’pool R."

This information is repeated in a medal roll on Ancestry.com: Corpral G Magee, Regt. No. 1789, 2nd Battalion The Kings Liverpool Regt. awarded the Indian General Sevice Medal with 'Burma 1885-87' clasp. According to the medal roll he was invalided.

The details on the Green Howards medal show that it dates from after 1875. In any case, my ggfather would have been only 15 at that time, having been born in Dublin in approx. 1860. 

Going by the information given on the "Army Service Numbers" website, it looks at though George joined the Liverpool regiment in the summer of 1886. He was injured in Burma, lost his left arm and was invalided out of the army in, I guess, 1887. In January 1888 he married in Tullamore, and gave "army pensioner" as his occupation.

I am intrigued at to why my ggfather had both a Green Howards and a Liverpool Regiment medal. Did he enlist first in the Green Howards, leave and then join the Liverpool Regiment? Were there any special links between the Green Howards and the Liverpool Regiment? 

The Liverpool Regiment were stationed in Ireland (but I do not know where exactly) from 1873 to 1876 and in 1877 were sent to the East Indies. The Green Howards were stationed in Ireland between 1881 and 1885. Would anyone know if either regiment was ever stationed in Tullamore, since it seems that that is where George went after being invalided out of the army?

Could George have joined either regiment in Dublin or would he have needed to go to England to do so? At that time what was the minimum length of time a man had to serve when “he took the King’s shilling”?

Are there any Irish sources which I could consult which might shed some light on the question?

Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to give me!

Eamann

PS My ggfather enlisted again in the Army in 1915, aged 55 as he was and despite the loss of his left arm, and served as a drill inspector. He was living in Belfast at the time. Would a man in his position have wanted to enlist again in his old regiment, the Liverpool Regiment, and would that have been feasible in Belfast? Or would he have to opt for a local regiment like the Royal Irish Fusiliers? In 1917 he was transferred to the Labour Corps. I have a photo of him dating from 1918 in the company of Royal Irish Fusiliers soldiers, but the badge on his cap is different from theirs, he then being in the Labour Corps.

 

Dia daoibh uilig! / Hello!

My grandfather enlisted in the British army in August 1915. A motor mechanic by trade, he served in the (Royal) Army Service Corps. He later emigrated to America and in a curriculum vitae he wrote in 1947 he said that in WWI he had joined "the Irish Brigade”. 

I have never heard of such a formation in the context of WWI. I assume that, for whatever reason, my grandfather coined that expression but I thought I would post a query about it here on the forum in case I am wrong.

Thank you in advance for your comments!

Beannachtai,

Éamann 

A Dhonncha, a chara, and other readers,

I didn’t know what you said in your reply about medals.

Here’s the Green Howards medal that my ggfather had. In case you cannot make out the details, it has the Princess of Wales' cypher "A" combined with the Dannebrog or Danish cross and is topped by her coronet. In the middle of this you have the date "1875" and beneath "XIX". The scroll at the bottom says "The Green Howards A.P.W.O. (= Alexandra, Princess of Wales Own) Yorkshire Regt.”

The Green Howards was raised in 1751 as the 19th Regt of Foot and, according to Wikipedia, in 1875 Princess Alexandra, Princess of Wales presented new colours to the 1st Battalion at Sheffield and consented to the regiment bearing her name, thus becoming the 19th (1st Yorkshire North Riding - Princess of Wales's Own) Regiment of Foot.The regiment adopted a cap badge consisting of the Princess's cypher "A" combined with the Dannebrog or Danish cross and topped by her coronet. The “XIX” is probably a reference to the old 19th foot Regt.

Looking forward to hearing your comments,

Beannachtai,

Éamann

 

Thank you John for drawing my attention to the existence of an Irish Brigade during WWI! However, my grandfather was  certainly not a member of it.

My grandfather’s name was Michael Magee and his ASC regiment number was M2/081316. Michael's Pension Records show him serving with the 403rd Coy from 16th August 1915 - 16th March 1918. A transfer must have taken place after this date since he was discharged from the 604th Coy ASC. He was injured in an accident in early 1918 and sent home to Belfast.

It seems clear to me that my grandfather used the expression “Irish Brigade” in a loose fashion, meaning he was among those Irishmen who served in the British army during WWI.

Éamann



Le 18 févr. 2011 ŕ 18:27, Johnny Doyle a écrit :

 

Corisande from the Great War Forum/Rootschat has done quite a bit of research on the Irish Brigade from WW1

http://www.irishbrigade.eu/recruits-irish-brigade.html

No (R)ASC men listed.

What was your grandad's name and number?

John


On 18 Feb 2011, at 09:38, Éamann Ó Ruairc <eamann@...> wrote:

 

Dia daoibh uilig! / Hello!

My grandfather enlisted in the British army in August 1915. A motor mechanic by trade, he served in the (Royal) Army Service Corps. He later emigrated to America and in a curriculum vitae he wrote in 1947 he said that in WWI he had joined "the Irish Brigade”.

I have never heard of such a formation in the context of WWI. I assume that, for whatever reason, my grandfather coined that expression but I thought I would post a query about it here on the forum in case I am wrong.

Thank you in advance for your comments!

Beannachtai,

Éamann

 

Can you give more information on what you call the "Green Howards' Medal". British medals were not issued specifically regiments but on the basis of campaigns or on the basis of periods of service in a given theatre; beside these there are the gallantry medals such as the Vistoria Cross, the Military Medal &c and also a few medals that were issued for specific occassions such as the Coronation and Jubilee medals.   If the Green Howards is specifically noted on the medal it is in all likelihood a regimental production for a sporting or other event or a private production commemorating some regimental circumstance.   Can you describe it, or better still provide an image?   Regards,   Donnacha   --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Margaret Doyle <johnmaggie11@...> wrote: From: Margaret Doyle <johnmaggie11@...> Subject: Re: [milgenire] Green Howards & Liverpool Regiment in Ireland To: "milgenire@yahoogroups.com" <milgenire@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "milgenire@yahoogroups.com" <milgenire@yahoogroups.com> Received: Friday, February 18, 2011, 10:03 AM   As Ireland was under British rule till 1922, he would have been able to join any regiment from Dublin. My gfather, James Goodwin was in 4 different regiments. Maggie the Dub On 18 Feb 2011, at 09:53, Éamann Ă“ Ruairc <eamann@...> wrote:   Dia daoibh uilig / Hello! I posted a query here several months ago about my great-grandfather George Magee who had served in Burma in the 19th. century and I would like to thank again those who made the effort to try and help me at that time.  I have since learned a lot about him and I have now some Ireland-specific questions on which I would like to have your comments and suggestions. An uncle in America sent me recently photos of two medals belonging to George – one a Green Howards medal and the other an India General Service medal with a Burma 1885-7 clasp. On the advice of contributors to the “Victorian Wars" forum (http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=4953) my uncle was able to read George's regiment details on the rim of the India medal; it reads: "1789 Cpl G. Magee, 2d Bn L’pool R." This information is repeated in a medal roll on Ancestry.com: Corpral G Magee, Regt. No. 1789, 2nd Battalion The Kings Liverpool Regt. awarded the Indian General Sevice Medal with 'Burma 1885-87' clasp. According to the medal roll he was invalided. The details on the Green Howards medal show that it dates from after 1875. In any case, my ggfather would have been only 15 at that time, having been born in Dublin in approx. 1860.  Going by the information given on the "Army Service Numbers" website, it looks at though George joined the Liverpool regiment in the summer of 1886. He was injured in Burma, lost his left arm and was invalided out of the army in, I guess, 1887. In January 1888 he married in Tullamore, and gave "army pensioner" as his occupation. I am intrigued at to why my ggfather had both a Green Howards and a Liverpool Regiment medal. Did he enlist first in the Green Howards, leave and then join the Liverpool Regiment? Were there any special links between the Green Howards and the Liverpool Regiment?  The Liverpool Regiment were stationed in Ireland (but I do not know where exactly) from 1873 to 1876 and in 1877 were sent to the East Indies. The Green Howards were stationed in Ireland between 1881 and 1885. Would anyone know if either regiment was ever stationed in Tullamore, since it seems that that is where George went after being invalided out of the army? Could George have joined either regiment in Dublin or would he have needed to go to England to do so? At that time what was the minimum length of time a man had to serve when “he took the King’s shilling”? Are there any Irish sources which I could consult which might shed some light on the question? Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to give me! Eamann PS My ggfather enlisted again in the Army in 1915, aged 55 as he was and despite the loss of his left arm, and served as a drill inspector. He was living in Belfast at the time. Would a man in his position have wanted to enlist again in his old regiment, the Liverpool Regiment, and would that have been feasible in Belfast? Or would he have to opt for a local regiment like the Royal Irish Fusiliers? In 1917 he was transferred to the Labour Corps. I have a photo of him dating from 1918 in the company of Royal Irish Fusiliers soldiers, but the badge on his cap is different from theirs, he then being in the Labour Corps.

Hello Marie. The attestation papers (WO97) contain amongst other things, the
service record. It was there that I found details of his "Fraudulent enlistment
from the Galway Militia". I am "sure" he wouldn't have been the only one! Happy
hunting!


--- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "MARIE" <nolanm@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Danny, where did you find the information on the Galway Militia my
g/grandfather was from Galway also no idea of the location.
> He was probably a decade younger than your relative.
> I have been trying to get information on him for a while. I would appreciate
the information.
> Thank you
> Marie
>
>
> --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Hall" <dannywh@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that Maggie. Unfortunately I am in Sweden so contacting the
Museum in personleaves me in my current plight.  However, I shall write to them.
I wasn't aware of that resource, thank you again.
> >
> > --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Maggie D" <johnmaggie11@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Collins Barracks has a muesium attached now+Ive heard they have
records for those who joined both the Irish+British Armys. But you will need to
check this out.
> > > It's beside the Pheonix Park in Dublin.
> > > Maggie the Dub
> > > --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Hall" <dannywh@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paternal GGrandfather John HALL joined the 65th at Birr in 1861 aged 18.
His Attestation states that he was from Ballinakill, Loughrea, Galway. There are
no other details of his parentage or origins.
> > > > He was charged with fraudulent enlistment from the Galway Militia but
suffered demotion only and served out his time in NZ, and East Indies.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for information on the Galway Militia in an attempt to find
John HALL, where he signed on, his ancestors, and where actually he was
born.(Which Ballinakill??)
> > > >
> > > > (The Galway Militia "papers" in WO96 are not released on FMP until later
this year)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Ostensibly yes, thanks. Currently the documents (in WO96) are being
transcribed/digitilazed (in Sri Lanka??)by batch number and therefore (may) not
be physically available to the public. FMP reckon to complete the job by
September 2011 - we'll see.


--- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, Donnacha <ddgrant2004@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure you know that the original records of the militia and of the 65th
remain at NA Kew? You can either access them yourself there or pay someone to
take a look.
>  
> On another note; many of the militia records were published on disc a few
years back by an outfit the name of which escapes me but it had an MM in it?
Perhaps they're around still?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Donnacha
>
> --- On Sat, 2/12/11, Danny Hall <dannywh@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Danny Hall <dannywh@...>
> Subject: [milgenire] Galway Militia - 19221 John HALL b1843 Ballynakill,
Loughrea,
> To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 6:48 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Is there anyone on this list who can assist with this previously and recently
posted request.
>
> I have traced my paternal GGrandfather John HALL (b1843) as having been
enlisted in the Galway Militia (Service Number 19221) up to 1861 - when he also
enlisted in the 65th.
>
> I wish to trace details about the Galway Militia, where they recruited from
around Loughrea, and gain as much info as possible. This in order to trace the
family and ancestors of my HALL line.
>
> I am posting on this group in the hope that someone may have this specialist
knowledge and information on the Galway Militia in general and specifically).
>
> Please, is there sks who may be able to help.
>