From: Donnacha <ddgrant2004@...>
Subject: Re: [milgenire] Royal Artillery
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 3:47 PM

 

Hi Marie, I've been looking at your original inquiry again and the following points strike me:   I wouldn't pay any attention to family stories about the O'Connor name.  It is more the norm than the unusual for this type of name to have several variations in use.  In my own personal experience  of my godfather's family they were known as O'Connor, Conner or Conners.  Similarly with my O'Briens and O'Callaghans.  And this is before the 'relaxed' approach to names at the Registrars office.   For example, if you look at the search results for O'Connor deaths in Irish Index to BDM which is online at the LDS you will see that the variation Connor is returned:   http://search. labs.familysearc h.org/recordsear ch/start. html?datestamp= 1203730494621# surname=O' Connor&deathYear=1880&deathPlaceId= 8003251&searchType=close&p=recordResults&givenName=Michael&deathPlaceLoc1= Galway%2C% 20Ireland   (This is using the year of death as 1880; you will see that a range either side of that is returned).   Homing in on the range will depend on what information you have from other sources.  The same goes for a marriage entry (always assuming it took place from 1864 onwards):   http://search. labs.familysearc h.org/recordsear ch/start. html?datestamp= 1203730494621# marriagePlaceLoc 1=Galway% 2C%20Ireland&marriagePlaceId= 8003251&surname=O'Connor&marriageYear= 1880&searchType=close&p=recordResults&givenName=Michael   These, of course, are not military inquiries and you should pursue them with the appropriate Galway list which you will find listed on the Rootsweb main page.  By the way, I should say that it is a rare day indeed that you will be fortunate enough to land on the record you want.  The more information you have to begin with as to date, place and other info such as witnesses to a wedding the closer you will get.   The Irish Census is also a valuable source since you will often find details on the entry that will inform your search; e.g., other family member whose information you end up finding.  Check thru these results for Michael O'Connor from the 1911 census.  (With the census you *will* have to do a separate for variations).   http://www.census. nationalarchives .ie/search/ results.jsp? census_year= 1901&surname=O%27Connor&firstname=Michael&county=Galway&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=M&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=       As for the Militia Attestations - perhaps better results will be available later.  I notice that this seems to be the first time the National Archives have made an arrangement with a 'partner' that doesn't include free access to the index, as e.g., with Ancestry.com.  Sign of things to come I fear.   Regards,   Donnacha   --- On Sat, 3/20/10, MARIE <nolanm@rogers. com> wrote: From: MARIE <nolanm@rogers. com> Subject: [milgenire] Royal Artillery To: milgenire@yahoogrou ps.com Received: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:53 PM   Hi, Question #26..located the required information posted 08/2009 on the RIF, Thank you. Something new my g grandfather was listed as deceased on my grandfathers marriage cert in 1901 his occupation was listed as Private in the Artillery. His name Michael O'Connor(Connor) because my father said the "O" was put back in their name sometime between 1885-1890 by his fathers school master in Galway. I've tried GRO Ireland for a birth cert for my grandfather in the hope that I can see what name they used when he was born, no luck. I tried to get a marriage cert for for great grandparents through the LDS no luck there either. I have tried Ancestry, National Archives. Any kind of direction would be greatly appreciated. M

From: e.oruairc <eamann@...>
Subject: [milgenire] Re: Chelsea Pensioners / FIBIS
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 3:01 PM

 

Thank you Mary Ann for your kind efforts to help me!

I have already skimmed through the FIBIS site but did not find anything of interest to me.

Today I spent some money on FindMyPast checking the two Magee Chelsea Pensioners records they have on-line but neither corresponded to my g-grandfather. It's very frustrating! Perhaps one day I'll go to the National Archives in London and try my luck there.

Eamann

From: Éamann Ó Ruairc <eamann@...>
Subject: [milgenire] Re: Chelsea Pensioners / FIBIS
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, October 25, 2010, 12:48 PM

 

Dia duit, a Dhonnacha!

Thank you for your suggestions!

The only thing I know for sure about this man is that he served in India, perhaps Burma, that he was injured there and had his left arm amputated.

No one in the family knows anything else. Don’t forget this is my g-grandfather and he was already a pensioner in 1888! My grandfather died young in 1954 when my only surviving uncle was aged nine…

You would think that he would figure in the Chelsea Pensioners list. The FindMyPast site lists two Magee’s, neither with a date or place of birth. I paid to view them and neither of them was my man. If the people filing the records had glanced through them they would have found information sufficient to calculate the probable place and date of birth.

I’m going to Dublin next week and I plan to research my g-grandfather’s family in the Dublin City Library. In the censuses and other documents he consistently says that he was born in Dublin and generally (!) the date of birth to be deduced from his age is 1860. I may some clue which could help me.

If not I think I will have to put this on the back-burner for a year or two and hopefully by then the Pensioners records will have been better analysed and George Magee’s file may turn up!

Beannachtaí,

Éamann

PS I agree with you that privatizing public records is a shame.

Le 24 oct. 2010 à 21:47, Donnacha a écrit :

 

Hi Eamann, You possibly heard this before but what you really need to do is find out what regiment your man belonged to. There is no point in making the trek to Kew without this since this is the category under which most if not all of the relevant records are organized.  It may be an idea to contact family members and ask them to do some head scratching.  Very often there is a hint of the regiment somewhere in family lore.  This may be about where the regiment was, some battle, the regiment's nickname or something similar.  If you came across a photograph then someone is usually able to say something about the identification.   A possible avenue may be to have one of the experienced researchers take a direct look at the pensioner records for you. This is assuming that the indexing has been less that reliable.  I have not kept up to date with what has been going on at NA since the move to privatizing online access but I did raise an eyebrow when I read on FindMyPast that the "misfiled records" had been indexed.  I have never seen the misfileds myself but was assured by one researcher a few years back that the boxes in question occupied extensive shelving.   Not much I know, but hope it helps.   Regards,   Donnacha --- On Sun, 10/24/10, e.oruairc <eamann@...> wrote: From: e.oruairc <eamann@...> Subject: [milgenire] Re: Chelsea Pensioners / FIBIS To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 3:01 PM   Thank you Mary Ann for your kind efforts to help me! I have already skimmed through the FIBIS site but did not find anything of interest to me. Today I spent some money on FindMyPast checking the two Magee Chelsea Pensioners records they have on-line but neither corresponded to my g-grandfather. It's very frustrating! Perhaps one day I'll go to the National Archives in London and try my luck there. Eamann

From: Éamann Ó Ruairc <eamann@...>
Subject: Re: [milgenire] Re: Chelsea Pensioners / FIBIS
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 7:57 AM

 

Go raibh maith agat, a Dhonnacha!

I’ve already searched for George Magee on all of these sites without success, that’s why I’m hoping I may have better luck with the parish records in Dublin City Library!

Beannachtaí,

Éamann 

Le 25 oct. 2010 à 21:10, Donnacha a écrit :

 

Hi again  Éamann,   Don't forget that the Irish Census 1901 and 1911 is online and free:   http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/   Many Church records BMD are also online and again free:   http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html   And you should also use the LDS search at::   http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1203730494621#start   Good Luck!   Slan,   Donnacha     --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Éamann Ó Ruairc <eamann@...> wrote: From: Éamann Ó Ruairc <eamann@...> Subject: [milgenire] Re: Chelsea Pensioners / FIBIS To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com Received: Monday, October 25, 2010, 12:48 PM   Dia duit, a Dhonnacha! Thank you for your suggestions! The only thing I know for sure about this man is that he served in India, perhaps Burma, that he was injured there and had his left arm amputated. No one in the family knows anything else. Don’t forget this is my g-grandfather and he was already a pensioner in 1888! My grandfather died young in 1954 when my only surviving uncle was aged nine… You would think that he would figure in the Chelsea Pensioners list. The FindMyPast site lists two Magee’s, neither with a date or place of birth. I paid to view them and neither of them was my man. If the people filing the records had glanced through them they would have found information sufficient to calculate the probable place and date of birth. I’m going to Dublin next week and I plan to research my g-grandfather’s family in the Dublin City Library. In the censuses and other documents he consistently says that he was born in Dublin and generally (!) the date of birth to be deduced from his age is 1860. I may some clue which could help me. If not I think I will have to put this on the back-burner for a year or two and hopefully by then the Pensioners records will have been better analysed and George Magee’s file may turn up! Beannachtaí, Éamann PS I agree with you that privatizing public records is a shame. Le 24 oct. 2010 à 21:47, Donnacha a écrit :   Hi Eamann, You possibly heard this before but what you really need to do is find out what regiment your man belonged to. There is no point in making the trek to Kew without this since this is the category under which most if not all of the relevant records are organized.  It may be an idea to contact family members and ask them to do some head scratching.  Very often there is a hint of the regiment somewhere in family lore.  This may be about where the regiment was, some battle, the regiment's nickname or something similar.  If you came across a photograph then someone is usually able to say something about the identification.   A possible avenue may be to have one of the experienced researchers take a direct look at the pensioner records for you. This is assuming that the indexing has been less that reliable.  I have not kept up to date with what has been going on at NA since the move to privatizing online access but I did raise an eyebrow when I read on FindMyPast that the "misfiled records" had been indexed.  I have never seen the misfileds myself but was assured by one researcher a few years back that the boxes in question occupied extensive shelving.   Not much I know, but hope it helps.   Regards,   Donnacha --- On Sun, 10/24/10, e.oruairc <eamann@...> wrote: From: e.oruairc <eamann@...> Subject: [milgenire] Re: Chelsea Pensioners / FIBIS To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 3:01 PM   Thank you Mary Ann for your kind efforts to help me! I have already skimmed through the FIBIS site but did not find anything of interest to me. Today I spent some money on FindMyPast checking the two Magee Chelsea Pensioners records they have on-line but neither corresponded to my g-grandfather. It's very frustrating! Perhaps one day I'll go to the National Archives in London and try my luck there. Eamann

From: MARIE <nolanm@...>
Subject: [milgenire] Re: Royal Artillery
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 7:15 AM

 

Hi Donnacha, I've only just picked up this message thank you. I was in Ireland in October hoping to get some more information on the O'Connor's to no avail. I did what you said had GRO check from 1879-1882(My grandfather) for a birth entry with mothers maiden name Hogan but they found no match. I have a question if Michael O'Connor (g grandfather) was a private in the artillery what exactly is that. Would it be big guns,cannons etc.,????. I looked at the 1st Boer War monuments, the Connaught Rangers only because he came from Galway. I know that GRO Ireland have military records but you must have the regiment name and #. I'm hoping that just like the McAllister's, it turned out I was looking at a William we knew him as Billy his first name was actually James and I came across his marriage record in Scotland and only recognized it because my great grandparents were listed on the document.
I really appreciate any kind of help I can get.
Thanks again
Marie


--- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, Donnacha <ddgrant2004@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marie,
> I've been looking at your original inquiry again and the following points strike me:
>  
> I wouldn't pay any attention to family stories about the O'Connor name.  It is more the norm than the unusual for this type of name to have several variations in use.  In my own personal experience  of my godfather's family they were known as O'Connor, Conner or Conners.  Similarly with my O'Briens and O'Callaghans.  And this is before the 'relaxed' approach to names at the Registrars office.
>  
> For example, if you look at the search results for O'Connor deaths in Irish Index to BDM which is online at the LDS you will see that the variation Connor is returned:
>  
> http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1203730494621#surname=O'Connor&deathYear=1880&deathPlaceId=8003251&searchType=close&p=recordResults&givenName=Michael&deathPlaceLoc1=Galway%2C%20Ireland
>  
> (This is using the year of death as 1880; you will see that a range either side of that is returned).
>  
> Homing in on the range will depend on what information you have from other sources.  The same goes for a marriage entry (always assuming it took place from 1864 onwards):
>  
> http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1203730494621#marriagePlaceLoc1=Galway%2C%20Ireland&marriagePlaceId=8003251&surname=O'Connor&marriageYear=1880&searchType=close&p=recordResults&givenName=Michael
>  
> These, of course, are not military inquiries and you should pursue them with the appropriate Galway list which you will find listed on the Rootsweb main page.  By the way, I should say that it is a rare day indeed that you will be fortunate enough to land on the record you want.  The more information you have to begin with as to date, place and other info such as witnesses to a wedding the closer you will get.
>  
> The Irish Census is also a valuable source since you will often find details on the entry that will inform your search; e.g., other family member whose information you end up finding.  Check thru these results for Michael O'Connor from the 1911 census.  (With the census you *will* have to do a separate for variations).
>  
> http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=O%27Connor&firstname=Michael&county=Galway&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=M&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
>  
>  
>  
> As for the Militia Attestations - perhaps better results will be available later.  I notice that this seems to be the first time the National Archives have made an arrangement with a 'partner' that doesn't include free access to the index, as e.g., with Ancestry.com.  Sign of things to come I fear.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Donnacha
>  
> --- On Sat, 3/20/10, MARIE <nolanm@...> wrote:
>
> From: MARIE <nolanm@...>
> Subject: [milgenire] Royal Artillery
> To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:53 PM
>  
> Hi, Question #26..located the required information posted 08/2009 on the RIF, Thank you.
> Something new my g grandfather was listed as deceased on my grandfathers marriage cert in 1901 his occupation was listed as Private in the Artillery. His name Michael O'Connor(Connor) because my father said the "O" was put back in their name sometime between 1885-1890 by his fathers school master in Galway. I've tried GRO Ireland for a birth cert for my grandfather in the hope that I can see what name they used when he was born, no luck. I tried to get a marriage cert for for great grandparents through the LDS no luck there either.
> I have tried Ancestry, National Archives.
> Any kind of direction would be greatly appreciated.
> M
>

From: Annette Code <codeannette@...>
Subject: Re: [milgenire] Re: Royal Artillery
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 4:05 PM

 

Have you tried www.rootsireland.ie  as stated don't worry about the O' many of the search facilities just drop it for convenience. or run it together as in OConnor.   I have a membership in a group that has the National Archive collection - there are some Irish in there, I will look and get back to you.   Annette Code   ps I would think depending on the year Artillery could range in the size of the armament just from watching movies you can see the progression in the distance the shells can travel. --- On Wed, 11/24/10, MARIE <nolanm@...> wrote: From: MARIE <nolanm@...> Subject: [milgenire] Re: Royal Artillery To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com Received: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 7:15 AM   Hi Donnacha, I've only just picked up this message thank you. I was in Ireland in October hoping to get some more information on the O'Connor's to no avail. I did what you said had GRO check from 1879-1882(My grandfather) for a birth entry with mothers maiden name Hogan but they found no match. I have a question if Michael O'Connor (g grandfather) was a private in the artillery what exactly is that. Would it be big guns,cannons etc.,????. I looked at the 1st Boer War monuments, the Connaught Rangers only because he came from Galway. I know that GRO Ireland have military records but you must have the regiment name and #. I'm hoping that just like the McAllister's, it turned out I was looking at a William we knew him as Billy his first name was actually James and I came across his marriage record in Scotland and only recognized it because my great grandparents were listed on the document. I really appreciate any kind of help I can get. Thanks again Marie --- In milgenire@yahoogroups.com, Donnacha <ddgrant2004@...> wrote: > > Hi Marie, > I've been looking at your original inquiry again and the following points strike me: >   > I wouldn't pay any attention to family stories about the O'Connor name.  It is more the norm than the unusual for this type of name to have several variations in use.  In my own personal experience  of my godfather's family they were known as O'Connor, Conner or Conners.  Similarly with my O'Briens and O'Callaghans.  And this is before the 'relaxed' approach to names at the Registrars office. >   > For example, if you look at the search results for O'Connor deaths in Irish Index to BDM which is online at the LDS you will see that the variation Connor is returned: >   > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1203730494621#surname=O'Connor&deathYear=1880&deathPlaceId=8003251&searchType=close&p=recordResults&givenName=Michael&deathPlaceLoc1=Galway%2C%20Ireland >   > (This is using the year of death as 1880; you will see that a range either side of that is returned). >   > Homing in on the range will depend on what information you have from other sources.  The same goes for a marriage entry (always assuming it took place from 1864 onwards): >   > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1203730494621#marriagePlaceLoc1=Galway%2C%20Ireland&marriagePlaceId=8003251&surname=O'Connor&marriageYear=1880&searchType=close&p=recordResults&givenName=Michael >   > These, of course, are not military inquiries and you should pursue them with the appropriate Galway list which you will find listed on the Rootsweb main page.  By the way, I should say that it is a rare day indeed that you will be fortunate enough to land on the record you want.  The more information you have to begin with as to date, place and other info such as witnesses to a wedding the closer you will get. >   > The Irish Census is also a valuable source since you will often find details on the entry that will inform your search; e.g., other family member whose information you end up finding.  Check thru these results for Michael O'Connor from the 1911 census.  (With the census you *will* have to do a separate for variations). >   > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=O%27Connor&firstname=Michael&county=Galway&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=M&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving= >   >   >   > As for the Militia Attestations - perhaps better results will be available later.  I notice that this seems to be the first time the National Archives have made an arrangement with a 'partner' that doesn't include free access to the index, as e.g., with Ancestry.com.  Sign of things to come I fear. >   > Regards, >   > Donnacha >   > --- On Sat, 3/20/10, MARIE <nolanm@...> wrote: > > From: MARIE <nolanm@...> > Subject: [milgenire] Royal Artillery > To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com > Received: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:53 PM >   > Hi, Question #26..located the required information posted 08/2009 on the RIF, Thank you. > Something new my g grandfather was listed as deceased on my grandfathers marriage cert in 1901 his occupation was listed as Private in the Artillery. His name Michael O'Connor(Connor) because my father said the "O" was put back in their name sometime between 1885-1890 by his fathers school master in Galway. I've tried GRO Ireland for a birth cert for my grandfather in the hope that I can see what name they used when he was born, no luck. I tried to get a marriage cert for for great grandparents through the LDS no luck there either. > I have tried Ancestry, National Archives. > Any kind of direction would be greatly appreciated. > M >

From: Annette Code <codeannette@...>
Subject: Re: [milgenire] Re: Royal Artillery
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 7:38 PM

 

In the Military Attestations Index Royal Garrison Artiller 1872-1915   just two Michael O'Connor on the website www.irishorigins.   Limerick WO96/1401 and Cork St. Finbar's WO96/1322 each full record on this particular membership will cost 10 British Pounds!!   There are 94 Connor's, Only 1 in Galway a Francis Connors I checked www.findmypast.co.uk and the way the military records are set out it would be next to impossible to get the right record again without paying a fortune.  There are 376 records - perhaps - for Michael O'Connor. What they do is send you to a page that is by alphabet, but you don't necessarily find anyone on that page.      I have points that I've already paid for and  tried one just to see but can see having used the program before that it would be useless to go further:   Boar War 1899-1902 Connor, Captn.The Royal Irish Fusiillers (Princess Victoria) AL20 reference no and no further information.   There is just one with a full name of Michael John, 4 have the initial M. and 1 a M.O. the balance have no first initial or name!!   There were many 1914 records but you note he is deceased by 1900.   Sorry Wished I could of done more. Annette

From: Annette Code <codeannette@...>
Subject: Re: [milgenire] Re: Royal Artillery
To: milgenire@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 2:09 AM

 

I looked through Michael Connor, Galway www.labs.familysearch.org   Michael Connor birth registered Oct-Dec 1880 #101057 Vol.4 Pg. 242 Galway Registration District   Michael Connor birth registered Apr-June,1880 #101057 Vol.4 Pg. 237 Galway Registration District   If you have nothing but time you can go through the counties, or just put in Ireland and get 1,066 records, both birth,marriage,death US Census and passenger records I didn't look at the WWI records.   Would he not be in the 1901 Census age 21? There were 17 for Galway but if you aren't sure of where he was from that could take you ages.   Annette