From: Aaron Crandall <ciarca99@...>
Subject: Re: [milbtw] Huh?
To: "D. Johnson" <johnsondavidc@...>, "Milbtw" <milbtw@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "D. Johnson" <johnsondavidc@...>, "Brian C. Johnson" <joh02186@...>
Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 7:27 PM

That's an excellent warning...you never know what people might do. -A

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From: D. Johnson <johnsondavidc@...>
To: Milbtw <milbtw@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: D. Johnson <johnsondavidc@...>; Brian C. Johnson <joh02186@...>
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 7:25:13 PM
Subject: [milbtw] Huh?

 

From: David Schlabowske <daveschlabowske@...>
Subject: Re: [milbtw] Tires
To: "Milwaukee Bike To Work" <milbtw@yahoogroups.com>, "Michael Harris" <mharris1052@...>
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:23 AM

 

Yes, Peter's site is the place to go for info on studded tires and generator lights.  I have Nokian 26in W160 mount and ground tires and Schwalbe 700c A10.  Both are like magic when the ground gets icey and both work exactly as described on his website.   I don't think that studded tires offer much advantage in snow, but there is nothing better on ice.  The downside is they are super heavy and very expensive.  But don't waste money on cheaper tires without carbide studs.  I am on my third season with mine and they look like new.  The cheaper studs wear out in a season.   http://www.peterwhi tecycles. com/studdedtires .asp   Dave --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Michael Harris <mharris1052@ sbcglobal. net> wrote: From: Michael Harris <mharris1052@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: [milbtw] Tires To: "Milwaukee Bike To Work" <milbtw@yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:18 PM   I just checked Peter White Cycles web site and his explanation of winter tires. He just updated it, today. It has goggles of information on what tire would be best in whatever type of winter riding you may do.   Mike

From: Michael Harris <mharris1052@...>
Subject: [milbtw] Tires
To: "Milwaukee Bike To Work" <milbtw@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:18 PM

 

I just checked Peter White Cycles web site and his explanation of winter tires. He just updated it, today. It has goggles of information on what tire would be best in whatever type of winter riding you may do.

 

Mike

 

  

 

From: Barry Stuart <bstuartmke@...>
Subject: Re: [milbtw] Re: Adding a bike lane to S. 2nd St
To: "Bill Sell" <awesomeride@...>
Cc: milbtw@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:12 PM

 

--- On Sat. 11/27/09, Barry Stuart bstuartmke@yahoo. com wrote:                              I'm sorry I'm so late for this discussion, but I've travelled both 1st and 2nd Sts. and know that 2nd can be the better street for cycling with some improvements.  As far as Mr. Sanfelippo's cab company is concerned, they're so big that they're all over Milwaukee like fleas on a mangy pooch.   American United is probably the largest cab franchise in Milwaukee, judging from the number of their cabs I see on the street.  Nonetheless, I believe Mr. Sanfelippo's enterprises have more than enough entries and exits on 1st and 2nd. Barry Stuart --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bill Sell <awesomeride@ bikethehoan. com> wrote: From: Bill Sell <awesomeride@ bikethehoan. com> Subject: Re: [milbtw] Re: Adding a bike lane to S. 2nd St To: "R Dames" <rdames@yahoo. com>, "Milwaukee Bikes" <milbtw@yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:16 PM   And his the only business in the area that requires his workers to drive in and out of his place, coming back THERE!!!! for their gas. if he'd let them buy gasoline wherever, he wouldn't have such a traffic "jam" that he is whining about  Most of the other businesses there, bars, restaurants, would welcome walking humans beings, a slower more pleasant street, a street that is very close to a highway and a freeway. Bill At 10:01 AM 11/27/2009, R Dames wrote: Sanfelippo is a self-serving, oppoutunistic, ego driven ass...  He can bring it, but won't be able to defend it.  Current events and the realities of big city imaginings are against his narrow viewpoint. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 27, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Bill Sell < awesomeride@ bikethehoan. com> wrote:   I posted these comments on Facebook: This street is a wreck and needs repaving. First Street is the four lane heavy traffic street that SanFelippo also seems to want Second Street to be, and no bikes - that would be eight lanes servicing his tiny taxi business. That's some ego. Fortunately we bicyclists have state law on our side. I'd say "it's about time... Bill At 09:17 AM 11/27/2009, richard53235 wrote: Some businesses resist plan to narrow 2nd St. By Georgia Pabst of the Journal Sentinel Posted: Nov. 26, 2009 The city's proposal to rebuild S. 2nd St. by narrowing the roadway and adding bike lanes along with trees, plants and grass to make it more pedestrian friendly has run into opposition from some property owners. The plan had been pushed and heartily endorsed by the Walker's Point Association (the Fifth Ward Association and Historic Walker's Point have merged). "It's important that S. 2nd St. in our view be seen as a neighborhood street and not as a thoroughfare, " said Ursula Twombly, president of the association. She favors a "holistic" view of the street that makes rooms for cars, but also one where pedestrians and bicyclists feel comfortable. "This will visibly change the feeling of S. 2nd St. from a sea of concrete to a place that will be more attractive to anyone looking to invest in the area," she said of the area. But Mike Sanfelippo, the owner of two businesses on the street - Walker's Point Mobil and the American United Taxi Cab Co. - considers S. 2nd St. a main thoroughfare that takes traffic to and from downtown. Narrowing the road from four to two lanes will create a traffic bottleneck and detour traffic to other streets, he said, and that will not be good for business. He added that he's "a pioneer on the street" who opened his businesses in the early 1990s. "I've been here long enough to know what's good for the neighborhood and what's not," he said. "We do not need bike lanes. That's ridiculous. I am totally against this. I will sue to stop it if I have to." Both sides will get a chance to give their views on the project. Ald. James Witkowiak will hold a community informational session at 6 p.m. Dec. 7 at Bradley Technology and Trade High School, 700 S. 4th St. The Common Council's Public Works Committee will hold a hearing on the project at 9 a.m. Dec. 9 at Room 301B of City Hall. The initial project called for resurfacing the existing roadway from south of St. Paul Ave. to National Ave., a distance of about two-thirds of a mile, said Clark Wantoch, transportation design manager for the city's Department of Public Works. But through informational sessions, some property owners complained about vibration problems, he said. After some checking, it was found that the vibration problems are attributed to poor pavement and the closeness of vehicles to the property lines, he said. The city also discovered that tracks from old trolleys were in the roadway, and that a new base would have to be built, Wantoch said. That changed the project from resurfacing to reconstruction. And from a design standpoint, the state now requires that bicycles be accommodated, he said. The redesign still allows for projected traffic volumes to the year 2030, he said. "The level of traffic service would be acceptable and provide bike accommodations that would make it safer for pedestrians, allow for a greening initiative to put in grass, trees, plants and a nice canopy on the roadway and still provide parking, a bike lane and thorough way," he said. From an engineering standpoint, the project is economically feasible and works for all modes of transportation, including pedestrian, bicycle and traffic, he said. To resurface the exiting 58-foot-wide roadway and replace the base would cost $2,255,000, he said. The cost to reconstruct the roadway to 50 feet wide, which is what's proposed, comes in at $2.2 million, he said. --- In milbtw@yahoogroups. com, "casey_foltz" <casey_foltz@ ...> wrote: > > For those who travel on South 1st or 2nd streets often, you may be interested in attending the informational session at 6pm December 7th at Bradley Tech High School.  This informational session will discuss the narrowing of a section of S. 2nd street, with the addition of a bike lane and street greening projects.  There are businesses who are against this plan(of course, the most vocal would be a gas station).  JSOnline has a story about it here: http://www.jsonline .com/news/milwaukee /75351582. html > > Anyone who bikes frequently between downtown and the south side probably considers either the 1st or 2nd st options to be the most dangerous portion of their bike, but they're also really our only options without going too far out of the way.  While it doesn't sound like this would bring a bike lane down the entire stretch of south 2nd street, it would be a good start, and a welcomed improvement to the street in my opinion. > > Casey > ------------ --------- --------- ------ To Post a message, send it to:   milbtw@yahoogroups. com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: milbtw-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups. comYahoo! 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From: Bill Sell <awesomeride@...>
Subject: Re: [milbtw] Re: Adding a bike lane to S. 2nd St
To: "R Dames" <rdames@...>, "Milwaukee Bikes" <milbtw@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:16 PM

 

And his the only business in the area that requires his workers to drive in and out of his place, coming back THERE!!!! for their gas. if he'd let them buy gasoline wherever, he wouldn't have such a traffic "jam" that he is whining about  Most of the other businesses there, bars, restaurants, would welcome walking humans beings, a slower more pleasant street, a street that is very close to a highway and a freeway.

Bill






At 10:01 AM 11/27/2009, R Dames wrote:

Sanfelippo is a self-serving, oppoutunistic, ego driven ass...  He can bring it, but won't be able to defend it.  Current events and the realities of big city imaginings are against his narrow viewpoint.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Bill Sell < awesomeride@ bikethehoan. com> wrote:

 

I posted these comments on Facebook:

This street is a wreck and needs repaving. First Street is the four lane heavy traffic street that SanFelippo also seems to want Second Street to be, and no bikes - that would be eight lanes servicing his tiny taxi business. That's some ego. Fortunately we bicyclists have state law on our side. I'd say "it's about time...

Bill



At 09:17 AM 11/27/2009, richard53235 wrote:

Some businesses resist plan to narrow 2nd St.
By Georgia Pabst of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Nov. 26, 2009

The city's proposal to rebuild S. 2nd St. by narrowing the roadway and adding bike lanes along with trees, plants and grass to make it more pedestrian friendly has run into opposition from some property owners.
The plan had been pushed and heartily endorsed by the Walker's Point Association (the Fifth Ward Association and Historic Walker's Point have merged).
"It's important that S. 2nd St. in our view be seen as a neighborhood street and not as a thoroughfare," said Ursula Twombly, president of the association. She favors a "holistic" view of the street that makes rooms for cars, but also one where pedestrians and bicyclists feel comfortable.
"This will visibly change the feeling of S. 2nd St. from a sea of concrete to a place that will be more attractive to anyone looking to invest in the area," she said of the area.
But Mike Sanfelippo, the owner of two businesses on the street - Walker's Point Mobil and the American United Taxi Cab Co. - considers S. 2nd St. a main thoroughfare that takes traffic to and from downtown.
Narrowing the road from four to two lanes will create a traffic bottleneck and detour traffic to other streets, he said, and that will not be good for business. He added that he's "a pioneer on the street" who opened his businesses in the early 1990s.
"I've been here long enough to know what's good for the neighborhood and what's not," he said. "We do not need bike lanes. That's ridiculous. I am totally against this. I will sue to stop it if I have to."
Both sides will get a chance to give their views on the project. Ald. James Witkowiak will hold a community informational session at 6 p.m. Dec. 7 at Bradley Technology and Trade High School, 700 S. 4th St.
The Common Council's Public Works Committee will hold a hearing on the project at 9 a.m. Dec. 9 at Room 301B of City Hall.
The initial project called for resurfacing the existing roadway from south of St. Paul Ave. to National Ave., a distance of about two-thirds of a mile, said Clark Wantoch, transportation design manager for the city's Department of Public Works. But through informational sessions, some property owners complained about vibration problems, he said.
After some checking, it was found that the vibration problems are attributed to poor pavement and the closeness of vehicles to the property lines, he said.
The city also discovered that tracks from old trolleys were in the roadway, and that a new base would have to be built, Wantoch said. That changed the project from resurfacing to reconstruction. And from a design standpoint, the state now requires that bicycles be accommodated, he said.
The redesign still allows for projected traffic volumes to the year 2030, he said.
"The level of traffic service would be acceptable and provide bike accommodations that would make it safer for pedestrians, allow for a greening initiative to put in grass, trees, plants and a nice canopy on the roadway and still provide parking, a bike lane and thorough way," he said.
From an engineering standpoint, the project is economically feasible and works for all modes of transportation, including pedestrian, bicycle and traffic, he said.
To resurface the exiting 58-foot-wide roadway and replace the base would cost $2,255,000, he said. The cost to reconstruct the roadway to 50 feet wide, which is what's proposed, comes in at $2.2 million, he said.



--- In milbtw@yahoogroups. com, "casey_foltz" <casey_foltz@ ...> wrote:
>
> For those who travel on South 1st or 2nd streets often, you may be interested in attending the informational session at 6pm December 7th at Bradley Tech High School.  This informational session will discuss the narrowing of a section of S. 2nd street, with the addition of a bike lane and street greening projects.  There are businesses who are against this plan(of course, the most vocal would be a gas station).  JSOnline has a story about it here: http://www.jsonline .com/news/milwaukee /75351582. html
>
> Anyone who bikes frequently between downtown and the south side probably considers either the 1st or 2nd st options to be the most dangerous portion of their bike, but they're also really our only options without going too far out of the way.  While it doesn't sound like this would bring a bike lane down the entire stretch of south 2nd street, it would be a good start, and a welcomed improvement to the street in my opinion.
>
> Casey
>




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