----- Original Message -----

From: BOYD BORRILL

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:18 AM

Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

Bob;

Where in N.J. was PR (ne Interdata) located. Weren't they near the company that originallly made big analog computers and came out with a big digital in about 1966?

Both companies tried to hire me very early in their history, and I seem to remember them being closely linked.  I was just finishing a big job for PE (on their SDS computers) when they started talking about a deal with Interdata, in 1968-'69.

Ray

Bob Applegate <bob@...> wrote:

Wow!  I used to do a lot of work on Perkin-Elmer machines in the mid 80s until I finally

convinced management to replace them with HP systems.  Our company moved a lot

of their systems to run our network monitoring software (yeah, companies dedicated

minicomputers to monitoring network traffic).  And yes, they were all 32 bit machines

with a common operating system.

 

Their OS was called OS/32; I joked with my friends at Microsoft as to why they didn't

have OS/2 ready, yet I was using a "much better" OS/32 at work.

 

PE machines were big number crunchers, and the OS stank for multi-user applications.

I forget what the multi-user hack was called, but the base OS only supported a single

user, and you'd load this horrible hack to allow multiple sessions.  FORTRAN was the

programming language, but they eventually added a bugger C compiler.  We ran a

Z80 cross assembler for our development (Dave... what was the assembler?  It was

the same one you guys were using at HDS at the time).

 

When I visited the VLA (Very Large Array) in New Mexico the first time and got the

tour, their data processing center was filled with big PE machines.  I got talking to one

of the guys there who said PE was the only viable way to crunch all the data coming

in from all the dishes in a timely manner.  Ugh... it was awful for code development, but

ran heavy math stuff really well.

 

At one point, I ran our big MPU system... Multiple Processing Units.  We had 10 big

cabinets.  One contained all the 300mb hard drives and tape deck (9 track).  One had

the main CPU and I/O control unit.  The other 8 big chassis held one additional CPU

each.  Very big, very impressive.

 

PE was based in NJ, so we got excellent support from them.  Every now and then I look

for old PE stuff on eBay, but I guess it's either all stored in old storage areas with

cobwebs or long-tossed into landfills.  This is an interesting find, and deserves some

attention because those machines were very common in the 70s/80s but are very hard

to find now.

 

Bob

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Evan Koblentz

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:44 PM

Subject: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

A guy in the NJARC works for a computer consulting company in Eatontown
(right next to Wall Township, where InfoAge is)... He's got a whole
motherload of Interdata minicomputers, peripherals, and random other stuff,
and he says lots of it still works.  I'm meeting him tomorrow at 3:00 at his
office to check it out.  He said much of it came from the NJ and NY lottery
commissions and other places.  He's also got documentation for much of it
and contacts with the company founders.  Interdata has a long history,
explained at http://www.ccur.com/corp_companyhistory.asp?h=1 ... They claim
to be the first company other than DEC to run UNIX on 32-bit minicomputers.
They also did lots of work with Bell Labs, which makes sense -- it's good
for our museum to have things from a very local company.

Pioneer Purveyor of Personal Processing Power

I can't remember the name of the town, but it was somewhere in northern NJ along

the coast.  They seemed to have some connections with Belcore in Holmdel, so

probably in that general area, but definitely not Holmdel.

 

Bob

 

----- Original Message -----

From: BOYD BORRILL

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:18 AM

Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

Bob;

Where in N.J. was PR (ne Interdata) located. Weren't they near the company that originallly made big analog computers and came out with a big digital in about 1966?

Both companies tried to hire me very early in their history, and I seem to remember them being closely linked.  I was just finishing a big job for PE (on their SDS computers) when they started talking about a deal with Interdata, in 1968-'69.

Ray

Bob Applegate <bob@...> wrote:

Wow!  I used to do a lot of work on Perkin-Elmer machines in the mid 80s until I finally

convinced management to replace them with HP systems.  Our company moved a lot

of their systems to run our network monitoring software (yeah, companies dedicated

minicomputers to monitoring network traffic).  And yes, they were all 32 bit machines

with a common operating system.

 

Their OS was called OS/32; I joked with my friends at Microsoft as to why they didn't

have OS/2 ready, yet I was using a "much better" OS/32 at work.

 

PE machines were big number crunchers, and the OS stank for multi-user applications.

I forget what the multi-user hack was called, but the base OS only supported a single

user, and you'd load this horrible hack to allow multiple sessions.  FORTRAN was the

programming language, but they eventually added a bugger C compiler.  We ran a

Z80 cross assembler for our development (Dave... what was the assembler?  It was

the same one you guys were using at HDS at the time).

 

When I visited the VLA (Very Large Array) in New Mexico the first time and got the

tour, their data processing center was filled with big PE machines.  I got talking to one

of the guys there who said PE was the only viable way to crunch all the data coming

in from all the dishes in a timely manner.  Ugh... it was awful for code development, but

ran heavy math stuff really well.

 

At one point, I ran our big MPU system... Multiple Processing Units.  We had 10 big

cabinets.  One contained all the 300mb hard drives and tape deck (9 track).  One had

the main CPU and I/O control unit.  The other 8 big chassis held one additional CPU

each.  Very big, very impressive.

 

PE was based in NJ, so we got excellent support from them.  Every now and then I look

for old PE stuff on eBay, but I guess it's either all stored in old storage areas with

cobwebs or long-tossed into landfills.  This is an interesting find, and deserves some

attention because those machines were very common in the 70s/80s but are very hard

to find now.

 

Bob

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Evan Koblentz

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:44 PM

Subject: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

A guy in the NJARC works for a computer consulting company in Eatontown
(right next to Wall Township, where InfoAge is)... He's got a whole
motherload of Interdata minicomputers, peripherals, and random other stuff,
and he says lots of it still works.  I'm meeting him tomorrow at 3:00 at his
office to check it out.  He said much of it came from the NJ and NY lottery
commissions and other places.  He's also got documentation for much of it
and contacts with the company founders.  Interdata has a long history,
explained at http://www.ccur.com/corp_companyhistory.asp?h=1 ... They claim
to be the first company other than DEC to run UNIX on 32-bit minicomputers.
They also did lots of work with Bell Labs, which makes sense -- it's good
for our museum to have things from a very local company.

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From: William Pechter [mailto:bpechter@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:15 AM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

Who's the guy.  I might have worked for him at Concurrent.

You can also run the OS/32 stuff on the Simh emulator, I think... if you can get a tape image made.

Bill

Bob Applegate <bob@...> wrote:

Wow!  I used to do a lot of work on Perkin-Elmer machines in the mid 80s until I finally

convinced management to replace them with HP systems.  Our company moved a lot

of their systems to run our network monitoring software (yeah, companies dedicated

minicomputers to monitoring network traffic).  And yes, they were all 32 bit machines

with a common operating system.

 

Their OS was called OS/32; I joked with my friends at Microsoft as to why they didn't

have OS/2 ready, yet I was using a "much better" OS/32 at work.

 

PE machines were big number crunchers, and the OS stank for multi-user applications.

I forget what the multi-user hack was called, but the base OS only supported a single

user, and you'd load this horrible hack to allow multiple sessions.  FORTRAN was the

programming language, but they eventually added a bugger C compiler.  We ran a

Z80 cross assembler for our development (Dave... what was the assembler?  It was

the same one you guys were using at HDS at the time).

 

When I visited the VLA (Very Large Array) in New Mexico the first time and got the

tour, their data processing center was filled with big PE machines.  I got talking to one

of the guys there who said PE was the only viable way to crunch all the data coming

in from all the dishes in a timely manner.  Ugh... it was awful for code development, but

ran heavy math stuff really well.

 

At one point, I ran our big MPU system... Multiple Processing Units.  We had 10 big

cabinets.  One contained all the 300mb hard drives and tape deck (9 track).  One had

the main CPU and I/O control unit.  The other 8 big chassis held one additional CPU

each.  Very big, very impressive.

 

PE was based in NJ, so we got excellent support from them.  Every now and then I look

for old PE stuff on eBay, but I guess it's either all stored in old storage areas with

cobwebs or long-tossed into landfills.  This is an interesting find, and deserves some

attention because those machines were very common in the 70s/80s but are very hard

to find now.

 

Bob

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Evan Koblentz

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:44 PM

Subject: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

A guy in the NJARC works for a computer consulting company in Eatontown
(right next to Wall Township, where InfoAge is)... He's got a whole
motherload of Interdata minicomputers, peripherals, and random other stuff,
and he says lots of it still works.  I'm meeting him tomorrow at 3:00 at his
office to check it out.  He said much of it came from the NJ and NY lottery
commissions and other places.  He's also got documentation for much of it
and contacts with the company founders.  Interdata has a long history,
explained at http://www.ccur.com/corp_companyhistory.asp?h=1 ... They claim
to be the first company other than DEC to run UNIX on 32-bit minicomputers.
They also did lots of work with Bell Labs, which makes sense -- it's good
for our museum to have things from a very local company.

Bob;

The other company was named "Electronics Research Associates" or something close to it. I just thought of it after I sent you the first reply.

Ray

Bob Applegate <bob@...> wrote:

Wow!  I used to do a lot of work on Perkin-Elmer machines in the mid 80s until I finally

convinced management to replace them with HP systems.  Our company moved a lot

of their systems to run our network monitoring software (yeah, companies dedicated

minicomputers to monitoring network traffic).  And yes, they were all 32 bit machines

with a common operating system.

 

Their OS was called OS/32; I joked with my friends at Microsoft as to why they didn't

have OS/2 ready, yet I was using a "much better" OS/32 at work.

 

PE machines were big number crunchers, and the OS stank for multi-user applications.

I forget what the multi-user hack was called, but the base OS only supported a single

user, and you'd load this horrible hack to allow multiple sessions.  FORTRAN was the

programming language, but they eventually added a bugger C compiler.  We ran a

Z80 cross assembler for our development (Dave... what was the assembler?  It was

the same one you guys were using at HDS at the time).

 

When I visited the VLA (Very Large Array) in New Mexico the first time and got the

tour, their data processing center was filled with big PE machines.  I got talking to one

of the guys there who said PE was the only viable way to crunch all the data coming

in from all the dishes in a timely manner.  Ugh... it was awful for code development, but

ran heavy math stuff really well.

 

At one point, I ran our big MPU system... Multiple Processing Units.  We had 10 big

cabinets.  One contained all the 300mb hard drives and tape deck (9 track).  One had

the main CPU and I/O control unit.  The other 8 big chassis held one additional CPU

each.  Very big, very impressive.

 

PE was based in NJ, so we got excellent support from them.  Every now and then I look

for old PE stuff on eBay, but I guess it's either all stored in old storage areas with

cobwebs or long-tossed into landfills.  This is an interesting find, and deserves some

attention because those machines were very common in the 70s/80s but are very hard

to find now.

 

Bob

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Evan Koblentz

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:44 PM

Subject: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

A guy in the NJARC works for a computer consulting company in Eatontown
(right next to Wall Township, where InfoAge is)... He's got a whole
motherload of Interdata minicomputers, peripherals, and random other stuff,
and he says lots of it still works.  I'm meeting him tomorrow at 3:00 at his
office to check it out.  He said much of it came from the NJ and NY lottery
commissions and other places.  He's also got documentation for much of it
and contacts with the company founders.  Interdata has a long history,
explained at http://www.ccur.com/corp_companyhistory.asp?h=1 ... They claim
to be the first company other than DEC to run UNIX on 32-bit minicomputers.
They also did lots of work with Bell Labs, which makes sense -- it's good
for our museum to have things from a very local company.

Pioneer Purveyor of Personal Processing Power

----- Original Message -----

From: William Pechter

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

Nope, that's EAI Electronics Associates Incorporared. 

They did analog computers across the street from Concurrent.
I used to repair their Vax and PDP11/45 when I was at DEC.

They later moved from the PDP11 to control the analog stuff in their later hybrids to Concurrent/PE stuff and also some big number crunching stuff from
Gould's SEL fokls.

I later worked for Concurrent on their stuff (their Unix was interesting).
The Masscomp RTU line was brought in in 1987 with a merger with Masscomp.
Masscomp was full of old DEC RSX guys who put the real-time EMT's into Unix.

Bill

BOYD BORRILL <b.r.borrill@...> wrote:

Bob;

The other company was named "Electronics Research Associates" or something close to it. I just thought of it after I sent you the first reply.

Ray

Bob Applegate <bob@...> wrote:

Wow!  I used to do a lot of work on Perkin-Elmer machines in the mid 80s until I finally

convinced management to replace them with HP systems.  Our company moved a lot

of their systems to run our network monitoring software (yeah, companies dedicated

minicomputers to monitoring network traffic).  And yes, they were all 32 bit machines

with a common operating system.

 

Their OS was called OS/32; I joked with my friends at Microsoft as to why they didn't

have OS/2 ready, yet I was using a "much better" OS/32 at work.

 

PE machines were big number crunchers, and the OS stank for multi-user applications.

I forget what the multi-user hack was called, but the base OS only supported a single

user, and you'd load this horrible hack to allow multiple sessions.  FORTRAN was the

programming language, but they eventually added a bugger C compiler.  We ran a

Z80 cross assembler for our development (Dave... what was the assembler?  It was

the same one you guys were using at HDS at the time).

 

When I visited the VLA (Very Large Array) in New Mexico the first time and got the

tour, their data processing center was filled with big PE machines.  I got talking to one

of the guys there who said PE was the only viable way to crunch all the data coming

in from all the dishes in a timely manner.  Ugh... it was awful for code development, but

ran heavy math stuff really well.

 

At one point, I ran our big MPU system... Multiple Processing Units.  We had 10 big

cabinets.  One contained all the 300mb hard drives and tape deck (9 track).  One had

the main CPU and I/O control unit.  The other 8 big chassis held one additional CPU

each.  Very big, very impressive.

 

PE was based in NJ, so we got excellent support from them.  Every now and then I look

for old PE stuff on eBay, but I guess it's either all stored in old storage areas with

cobwebs or long-tossed into landfills.  This is an interesting find, and deserves some

attention because those machines were very common in the 70s/80s but are very hard

to find now.

 

Bob

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Evan Koblentz

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:44 PM

Subject: [midatlanticretro] Big rescue opportunity...

A guy in the NJARC works for a computer consulting company in Eatontown
(right next to Wall Township, where InfoAge is)... He's got a whole
motherload of Interdata minicomputers, peripherals, and random other stuff,
and he says lots of it still works.  I'm meeting him tomorrow at 3:00 at his
office to check it out.  He said much of it came from the NJ and NY lottery
commissions and other places.  He's also got documentation for much of it
and contacts with the company founders.  Interdata has a long history,
explained at http://www.ccur.com/corp_companyhistory.asp?h=1 ... They claim
to be the first company other than DEC to run UNIX on 32-bit minicomputers.
They also did lots of work with Bell Labs, which makes sense -- it's good
for our museum to have things from a very local company.

Pioneer Purveyor of Personal Processing Power

> Bob;
> The other company was named "Electronics Research
> Associates" or something close to it. I just thought of it
> after I sent you the first reply.
> Ray

Not it I think, but there was a New Jersey company that made computing
*toys*, popular in the 1960's, called "Education Science Research
Incorporated" that I would like to find information on.

John A.

Hello everyone,

Sunday is the last day you can order your 2-day ticket for TCF online at the
reduced price. See you there?

www.tcf-nj.org

Jim

Jim Scheef wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Sunday is the last day you can order your 2-day ticket for TCF online at the
> reduced price. See you there?
>
> www.tcf-nj.org
>
> Jim
>

Jim,

     Thanks for this reminder!! :-)   My 2-day ticket is now on its way....

Evan,

     I plan to be at the TCF for both days so I could help out at our
booth anytime you needed me to.  (Of course I would need some time to
look around! ;-) )

All,

     Is there a gathering planned for after the show Saturday?

Cheers,

Bryan

Hi
I just received an ADM-3A Terminal.  After warming up for a few minutes
it beeps once, but nothing appears on the screen.  The picture tube
must be shot.  Perhaps someone in the group has experience with bringing
one of these back to life?
Bill D


-- E N D --

I "re-sat" the chips and left the terminal on for an hour.  That
brought the terminal back to life and the keyboard works.  I am
thrilled to have a working ADM, this is a important vintage terminal
and I am glad to have one that works.  This is your classic Altair,
SWTPc, KIM terminal for the  period.

I have three more serial terminals coming.  They are not ADM-3A's,
they are a little newer (early 80's) and I am unsure of the make/model.
  If anyone wants a serial terminal, let me know and I will bring to
Trenton.  Otherwise I will donate to InfoAge next time I am there.

Bill

do you have to use that paypal crap to order them?
They used to mail me a thingee. I hope I can do it
over the phone with a cc...
--- midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
<bryan.pope@...> wrote:
> Jim Scheef wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Sunday is the last day you can order your 2-day
ticket for TCF online at the
> > reduced price. See you there?
> >
> > www.tcf-nj.org
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
> Jim,
>
>     Thanks for this reminder!! :-)   My 2-day ticket
is now on its way....
>
> Evan,
>
>     I plan to be at the TCF for both days so I could
help out at our
> booth anytime you needed me to.  (Of course I would
need some time to
> look around! ;-) )
>
> All,
>
>     Is there a gathering planned for after the show
Saturday?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bryan
>


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I have four of them and they all look good.
Just the consoles.
No way to test them.
In Spring Hill Florida.

Would anybody like to make me an offer for them?

Plus shipping of course

Paypal, cash, check or money order

Anything stupid about just putting at least one in the MARCH coffers?

----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Leavitt <cctalk@...>
To: <cctalk@...>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe


> Still have one or two left. Pickup only in Norther NJ.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Kelly

I have so many that the infoage collection is welcome to one of each. I actually
have 3 model II's and 3 model 16s "spare" right now.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Allain
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: Kelly Leavitt
> Cc: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [midatlanticretro] Re: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe
>
>
> Anything stupid about just putting at least one in the MARCH coffers?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelly Leavitt <cctalk@...>
> To: <cctalk@...>
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:55 AM
> Subject: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe
>
>
> > Still have one or two left. Pickup only in Norther NJ.
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Kelly
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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-----Original Message-----
From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:22 PM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] Re: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe

We'll take it.

---

From: Kelly Leavitt [mailto:kelly@...]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:23 PM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] Re: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe

I have so many that the infoage collection is welcome to one of each. I actually have 3 model II's and 3 model 16s "spare" right now.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Allain
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: Kelly Leavitt
> Cc: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [midatlanticretro] Re: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe
>
>
> Anything stupid about just putting at least one in the MARCH coffers?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelly Leavitt <cctalk@...>
> To: <cctalk@...>
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:55 AM
> Subject: Tandy Model 16b computers availabe
>
>
> > Still have one or two left. Pickup only in Norther NJ.
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Kelly
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>

can someone tell me specifically what type of torx bit
is needed to get the case off of a compact Mac (128k,
Fat Mac, Plus, SE, etc.), and specifically how long it
needs to be. Much obliged :)

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can someone tell me specifically what type of torx bit
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Fat Mac, Plus, SE, etc.), and specifically how long it
needs to be. Much obliged :)

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ok dude...thankee. Im gonna hold you to it though ;)
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very loose.  Mike
>
> Chris M <chrism3667@...> wrote:  can someone
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> is needed to get the case off of a compact Mac
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Chris,
About three years ago I had the same issue.  I took the MAC I was
working on to Sears and bought the torque screwdriver that fit by
trying it out in the store.  They were very helpful.  I still have
it.  It's come in handy now an again.
Bill

At Saturday, 15 April 2006, you wrote:

>ok dude...thankee. Im gonna hold you to it though ;)
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>> Its a T-15, you will need about 6 inches but you can
>just buy the socket and put it into a standard
>extender and if you only have a short one grab it with
>needle nose vice grips or pliers - they are always
>very loose.  Mike
>>
>> Chris M <chrism3667@...> wrote:  can someone
>tell me specifically what type of torx bit
>> is needed to get the case off of a compact Mac
>(128k,
>> Fat Mac, Plus, SE, etc.), and specifically how long
>it
>> needs to be. Much obliged :)
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I don't remember which of the two will work for your MAC, but one of these
two should do the trick:

47430  USA  WF  Q
47432  USA  WF  N

-BIll D

I dont have the Mac with me. Just trying to get odds
and ends taken care of during off hours while house
hunting.
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<billdeg@...> wrote:
> Chris,
> About three years ago I had the same issue.  I took
the MAC I was
> working on to Sears and bought the torque
screwdriver that fit by
> trying it out in the store.  They were very helpful.
  I still have
> it.  It's come in handy now an again.
> Bill
>
> At Saturday, 15 April 2006, you wrote:
>
> >ok dude...thankee. Im gonna hold you to it though
;)
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> ><mmfrank2001@...> wrote:
> >> Its a T-15, you will need about 6 inches but you
can
> >just buy the socket and put it into a standard
> >extender and if you only have a short one grab it
with
> >needle nose vice grips or pliers - they are always
> >very loose.  Mike
> >>
> >> Chris M <chrism3667@...> wrote:  can
someone
> >tell me specifically what type of torx bit
> >> is needed to get the case off of a compact Mac
> >(128k,
> >> Fat Mac, Plus, SE, etc.), and specifically how
long
> >it
> >> needs to be. Much obliged :)
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...and then he turned the screwdriver around...

The Sears Craftsman part numbers the correspond to the items I listed in my
earlier email are better known as a Craftsman T10 and T20.

I took out a MAC SE and opened it with a T10. I guess a T15 may also work,
but the T10 is confirmed by me.

Bill D

ok, someone said T-15, and yes some torx screws arent
that particular. Can you tell me how long it needs to
be?
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<billdeg@...> wrote:
> ...and then he turned the screwdriver around...
>
> The Sears Craftsman part numbers the correspond to
the items I listed in my
> earlier email are better known as a Craftsman T10
and T20.
>
> I took out a MAC SE and opened it with a T10. I
guess a T15 may also work,
> but the T10 is confirmed by me.
>
> Bill D
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ok, someone said T-15, and yes some torx screws arent
that particular. Can you tell me how long it needs to
be?
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<billdeg@...> wrote:
> ...and then he turned the screwdriver around...
>
> The Sears Craftsman part numbers the correspond to
the items I listed in my
> earlier email are better known as a Craftsman T10
and T20.
>
> I took out a MAC SE and opened it with a T10. I
guess a T15 may also work,
> but the T10 is confirmed by me.
>
> Bill D
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in olden times we used to use a spring clamp...can be
had from Home Depot for about 2 bucks. Worked well as
a case popper from what I remenber, if you really need
one.
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<mmfrank2001@...> wrote:
> 10" is ideal but 6 or 8 will do, I usually grab it
with pliers or vice grips if I'm short,  (it also
varies, a color classic takes a shorter one that a
128)  also in theory you need a case "cracker" to open
them up, this is a special tool that I've never seen,
using flathead screwdrivers gently works but be
careful or you will mark up the case  Mike
>
> Chris M <chrism3667@...> wrote:  ok, someone
said T-15, and yes some torx screws arent
> that particular. Can you tell me how long it needs
to
> be?
> --- midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> <billdeg@...> wrote:
> > ...and then he turned the screwdriver around...
> >
> > The Sears Craftsman part numbers the correspond to
> the items I listed in my
> > earlier email are better known as a Craftsman T10
> and T20.
> >
> > I took out a MAC SE and opened it with a T10. I
> guess a T15 may also work,
> > but the T10 is confirmed by me.
> >
> > Bill D
> >
> >
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