On 11/29/2012 05:26 PM, DuaneCraps wrote:
> Not familiar with a 1219 II. The 1219B was the military version of the
> univac 418-II
>
> Does what you have look like this?

   Wow.

   Now I've got some serious blinkenlights around here.  But man, that's
*gorgeous*.

                 -Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

On 11/29/2012 07:45 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> See below (from the InfoAge staff/volunteers list).

> http://j.mp/WxthgR (ATT)

Nice racey picture (Bikini) on one of the computers. I'm surprised AT&T
let that slip.

--
Linux Home Automation         Neil Cherry       ncherry@...
http://www.linuxha.com/                         Main site
http://linuxha.blogspot.com/                    My HA Blog
Author of:     Linux Smart Homes For Dummies

As yet, I have  not seen either the development chassis nor the development
board itself; still looking!

Larry Schear, Executor for the Estate of Claude A. R. Kagan

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "B. Degnan" <billdeg@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:54:28PM -0500, B. Degnan wrote:
> > > Did anyone ever find Claude's Intel dev system?  He said it was stolen
> from
> > > him.
> > >
> > At the last time I talked to him about it no.
> >
> > >
> http://www.vintagecomputer.net/tcf_2008/intel_MCBS-10_control_module.JPG
> > >
> > > I took this picture in 2008, shortly before it disappeared.
> > >
> > Actually it was the card(s) that plugged in that were stolen. The unit
> in
> > your picture should have still been around.
> >
>
> Now I remember it was the cards that were missing.  I have not seen them
> myself at MARCH, nor the main unit.  Wonder if the MCB8-10 survived the
> fire.
> bd
>

Well at least you have the picture from my site for reference, should you
come across one on Ebay...  Dave reminded me about the fact that it was the
boards that were missing, meaning that he misplaced or whatever before TCF
2008, they could be long gone by now.
bd

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "LarryS" <larry.schear@...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:35 PM
> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [midatlanticretro] Re: Claude Kagan's Intel MCB8-10
>
> As yet, I have  not seen either the development chassis nor the
development board itself; still looking!
>
> Larry Schear, Executor for the Estate of Claude A. R. Kagan
>
> --- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "B. Degnan" <billdeg@...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:54:28PM -0500, B. Degnan wrote:
> > > > Did anyone ever find Claude's Intel dev system?  He said it was
stolen
> > from
> > > > him.
> > > >
> > > At the last time I talked to him about it no.
> > >
> > > >
> >
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/tcf_2008/intel_MCBS-10_control_module.JPG
> > > >
> > > > I took this picture in 2008, shortly before it disappeared.
> > > >
> > > Actually it was the card(s) that plugged in that were stolen. The
unit
> > in
> > > your picture should have still been around.
> > >
> >
> > Now I remember it was the cards that were missing.  I have not seen
them
> > myself at MARCH, nor the main unit.  Wonder if the MCB8-10 survived the

> > fire.
> > bd
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Did people really do this in the 60s?


http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/hsh/3412842969.html

> Did people really do this in the 60s?

Yes.

--
Will

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Christian Liendo wrote:

> Did people really do this in the 60s?
>
>
> http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/hsh/3412842969.html

     Hell, yes.  I had one.


Mike Loewen 		 mloewen@...
Old Technology       http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Christian Liendo <christian_liendo@...>
wrote:
> Did people really do this in the 60s?
>
>
> http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/hsh/3412842969.html

   Are you kidding??  People did that into the *80s*, man.  My grandmother
brought one home from work every year well into my high school years.

              -Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Neil Cherry <ncherry@...> wrote:
>
> On 11/29/2012 07:45 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> > See below (from the InfoAge staff/volunteers list).
>
> > http://j.mp/WxthgR (ATT)
>
> Nice racey picture (Bikini) on one of the computers. I'm surprised AT&T
> let that slip.
>
> --
> Linux Home Automation         Neil Cherry       ncherry@...
> http://www.linuxha.com/                         Main site
> http://linuxha.blogspot.com/                    My HA Blog
> Author of:     Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
>

I may not recognize all the equipment, but I believe the classic
retro bikini parts belong to Raquel Welch.

From: Evan Koblentz
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:03 AM

>Hi everyone. I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving. Please remember that
>our awesome club holiday party is just two weeks away!!!! It's from
>Saturday, Dec. 8, around lunchtime, until Sunday, Dec. 9, whenever people
>leave.

>MARCH will supply BBQ basics and non-alcoholic beverages. Everyone's
>encouraged to bring something -- food, beer, entertainment, tech, etc.

What exactly are included in those "basics" ? plates ? nakins ? ketchup ?
which non-alcoholic beverages ? I was thinking about bringing a case of
water and some coke zero. maybe some yuengling lager lite and maybe a bottle
of whiskey.

Ian Primus, are you bringing your video games and tvs ?

Corey, are you bringing your tv ?

I'm wondering who is bringing what entertainment system.

Also is the room ready for us to use (i.e. does it need cleaning or cleaning
out of junk ) ? How many tables will we need etc. ?

>$10 "required donation" that we'll give to InfoAge for hosting us.

>Please start posting * in this thread * about what you'll bring.

Perhaps you should make a list of what is needed, so that others can tell us
what they will bring ? Last year I made a list of what people can bring and
are bringing on google docs. Like so:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aot1Lys9TBOPdG4yczNPNFR1Z2hDT3pmWVd\
la1BqZ1E#gid=0

Jeff Brace

>> It is very difficult to find specific information about this keyboard and
it’s material and repair.

I'm impressed with your dedication to this project! Make sure that store is open
Sunday before your schlep there.

If the effort vs. results becomes too much, you could consider swapping a
keyboard from one of our other PETs.

Christian Liendo wrote:
> Did people really do this in the 60s?
>
>
> http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/hsh/3412842969.html

Yes.  In my family we had a Santa Claus made from folded
punch cards.  Unlike that wreath, the cards were used
(punched).  The punch holes gave a more lacey effect.  It
was about 18 inches tall.  I think my grandmother made it.
It was the holiday centerpiece at our house for a number
of years.  It was damaged in a move and discarded before
I got into computers as a young teenager. I wish I had it
now.

Bill S.

Hellooooooooo MARCH .... oddly quiet this year about the party ... we really
need to know how many people are going, with just 8 days until party time.

1. Me (Sat. only)
2. Jeff B.

Beuller? Beuller?

Anyone who doesn't respond should not complain about our lack of preparation /
supplies. :)

>> What exactly are included in those "basics" ? plates ? nakins ? ketchup ?
which non-alcoholic beverages ?

I'll let Justin answer.

I visited Claude several years ago specifically to copy the ROMs in the MCB8
system (it's actually pictured in his Reckoner article) and there were no boards
in it then. At that time he said that he had lent the boards to someone. Maybe
when they never came back, he called them stolen. Maybe he just forgot ...

Will, this was the time frame when I was working with RCSRI and the weasel to
try to find a home for the Burroughs. Might have even been pre-MARCH timeframe?

Jack

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, William Donzelli <wdonzelli@...> wrote:
>
> > I've never heard of a theft in our hobby (since early '00s when I got into
> > it.)
>
> I have heard of a few things that disappeared from various collections
> (and I will not comment further). I even see theft every year, when
> someone needs a discount from my hamfest table, when I am not around.
> I have even caught a few red handed.
>
> Anyway, Claude's machine was kept in the house, which did not burn,
> but who knows - he was not exact Mr. Organization.
>
> --
> Will
>

We have more than one chicklet keyboard at MARCH?  There have been a few threads
and documents on the web, cctalk and vintage-computer.com in particular, that
detail how to restore a chicklet keyboard.  I personally have not done this work
before but maybe I have something in my stuff about it.
Bill
--
Sent from my PDP 8/e.

>> Might have even been pre-MARCH timeframe?

MARCH formed from summer '04 through spring '05.

> Will, this was the time frame when I was working with RCSRI and the weasel
> to try to find a home for the Burroughs. Might have even been pre-MARCH
> timeframe?

If I look through my email, I could probably get an early date benchmark.

My guess is also that it is 2007 or 2008. Long gone by now.

--
Will

>> We have more than one chicklet keyboard at MARCH?

I meant we could possibly swap one from another of our PETs. I believe Bryan
donated at least one of the earliest model.

We * do * have an extra Sol-20 keyboard. It looks very clean. You / Sudbrink /
etc. are welcome to check it out at the party.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012, jack.rubin@... wrote:

> Will, this was the time frame when I was working with RCSRI and the
> weasel to try to find a home for the Burroughs. Might have even been
> pre-MARCH timeframe?

     The "weasel"?  Inquiring minds want to know.


Mike Loewen 		 mloewen@...
Old Technology       http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
> To: "MARCH Yahoo Midatlanticretro" <midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Important: Two weeks 'til MARCH
Festivus!
>
> Hellooooooooo MARCH .... oddly quiet this year about the party ... we
really need to know how many people are going, with just 8 days until party
time.
>
> 1. Me (Sat. only)
> 2. Jeff B.
>
> Beuller? Beuller?
>

Bill Degnan will be there on Sat.

Here is a thread that has restoration of the keyboard in the title

http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?29879-Restoring-a-200
1-chiclet&highlight=PET%2C+chicklet%2C+keyboard%2C+repair

BIll

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:04 AM
> To: "MARCH Yahoo Midatlanticretro" <midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Repair of MARCH Commodore PET 2001
chiclet keyboard
>
> >> We have more than one chicklet keyboard at MARCH?
>
> I meant we could possibly swap one from another of our PETs. I believe
Bryan donated at least one of the earliest model.
>
> We * do * have an extra Sol-20 keyboard. It looks very clean. You /
Sudbrink / etc. are welcome to check it out at the party.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I will drop in briefly sometime Saturday with $10 and beer for myself in my
jacket pockets.

--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM

    "And though it seems they smile with glee, I know in truth they envy me
        and watch as my befuddled brain, shines on brightly quite insane"

I'm on my two weeks reserve duty starting Monday.
I am going to try and make Sat..
I will hit the exchange and see whats available.. Remember for me is what I can
carry on a train.

All,
We can't buy what we need until we get a better idea of who is coming.
Usually we have about 20 visitors over the weekend, would you all agree?
But we can't assume this.
Bill

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, B Degnan <billdeg@...> wrote:
>
> We have more than one chicklet keyboard at MARCH?  There have been a few
threads and documents on the web, cctalk and vintage-computer.com in particular,
that detail how to restore a chicklet keyboard.  I personally have not done this
work before but maybe I have something in my stuff about it.
> Bill
> --
> Sent from my PDP 8/e.
>

That was me providing many of the responses on that thread but unfortunately the
title is misleading as there isn't much of the content focused on the keyboard.
However, it did make me think to ask Jeff whether there is a pattern to the
non-working keys? Are you sure the problem is in the keyboard matrix itself and
have you ruled out the PIA chip (6520 Peripheral Interface Adapter?)

I have restored several of them, and unless there's multiple designs, they
pretty straightforward. Responding to Jeff's mail the plunger is basically
rubberised carbon. I don't know exactly what polymer is used but neither is it
important. As linked to, there is plenty of kits for repairing such keypads but
personally I've never had to resort to coating the plunger with anything on a
PET keyboard. As long as it bridges the gap with something less than a few
hundred ohm's resistance, it'll be enough to pull the input line of the PIA low
and for the key-press to register. For me, it's been enough to be *very*
diligent in the cleaning. As a rule, I dismantle the keyboard, thoroughly clean
the PCB with ISO-propyl alcohol and, if necessary, something very mildly
abrasive if there's visible corrosion, but that's never been a problem for me on
2001 keyboards. If there is, try a pencil eraser. Wipe off the PCB with a lint
free cloth because even dust on the pads can make a difference.

Then there's the problem of the plungers. Now someone has been sticking foil on
them, it may be impossible to now clean them up again. As the rubber plunger
deforms when the key is pressed, I can't see this being a good long-term
solution unless the foil is really wafer thin and flexible. I can see it coming
away from the plunger and causing more problems than it solves. I individually
clean the plungers with a pad of lint free cloth. You can use cotton buds (I
think you guys call them q-tips or something) but again, you need to ensure you
don't leave lint behind.

Finally, the PCB needs to be carefully but firmly screwed in place. If the board
is riding high because of debris trapped between it and the keyboard frame, you
will get poor contacts. All the screws also need to be present and evenly
tightened for the same reason.

In all, they're actually pretty good quality even if not fun to type on, the
construction having been lifted from Commodore's desktop calculators of the
time. If you really have no joy, I will swap it for a working one of mine.

Rob