I know most of you guys don't know Apples from your blueberry preserves :) but can someone advise me on buying a new back up storage unit?

I want to clean up my emac by first backing it up to an external drive and then restoring the software. But I am unsure about what to buy?

(Just kidding about the fruit...)

Thanks,

Denise

On May 30, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:

 

I'm going to reserve a hotel room. People can chip in later.

Also HOPE is giving us a locking storage room for overnight. Nobody will use it but us.

=

 

Well,

It will use either USB 1.1 or FireWire 400, or if u have another mac you can just get a 6 pin to 6 pin FireWire cable boot the eMac in FireWire target disc mode and copy over what you want to keep.

As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at other world computing www.macsales.com or look on ePay for something by LaCie

What version of the MacOS are you running?

Hope this helps,

Matt

Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dmmmmcom <dmmmmcom@...> wrote:

 

I know most of you guys don't know Apples from your blueberry preserves :) but can someone advise me on buying a new back up storage unit?

I want to clean up my emac by first backing it up to an external drive and then restoring the software. But I am unsure about what to buy?

(Just kidding about the fruit...)

Thanks,

Denise

On May 30, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:

 

I'm going to reserve a hotel room. People can chip in later.

Also HOPE is giving us a locking storage room for overnight. Nobody will use it but us.

=

On 05/30/2012 04:04 PM, Matt Patoray wrote:

> As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at

> other world computing www.macsales.com <http://www.macsales.com> or look

> on ePay for something by LaCie



   This isn't as big a deal as many people make it out to be.  Anything

that implements the standard USB mass storage profile will work; the

protocols have been fully standardized for many years now.  Even more

relevant is the fact that there are only three or four different USB

device-end chipsets used in mass storage devices nowadays, and they all

work on pretty much anything.



              -Dave



--

Dave McGuire, AK4HZ

New Kensington, PA

 

I find the best thing to do is buy an enterprise class drive. These usually come with a 5 year warranty. These drives cost a little more but the components passed higher level tests then the drive lacie will sell you.

As Matt mentioned I buy my drives at other world computing  they have build your own kits to choose the interfaces firewire/usb and choose enterprise class drives.

Ben

On May 30, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:

 

On 05/30/2012 04:04 PM, Matt Patoray wrote:
> As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at
> other world computing www.macsales.com <http://www.macsales.com> or look
> on ePay for something by LaCie

This isn't as big a deal as many people make it out to be. Anything
that implements the standard USB mass storage profile will work; the
protocols have been fully standardized for many years now. Even more
relevant is the fact that there are only three or four different USB
device-end chipsets used in mass storage devices nowadays, and they all
work on pretty much anything.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

 

On 05/30/2012 04:04 PM, Matt Patoray wrote:
> As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at
> other world computing www.macsales.com <http://www.macsales.com> or look
> on ePay for something by LaCie

This isn't as big a deal as many people make it out to be. Anything
that implements the standard USB mass storage profile will work; the
protocols have been fully standardized for many years now. Even more
relevant is the fact that there are only three or four different USB
device-end chipsets used in mass storage devices nowadays, and they all
work on pretty much anything.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

On 05/30/2012 05:09 PM, Matt Patoray wrote:

> That is true I was just pointing him to something with FireWire so that

> he does not have to go through the slow torture of transferring several

> gigs via USB 1.1...



   Her...and I'm right there with you on that.  USB isn't a particularly

good storage interface.



              -Dave



--

Dave McGuire, AK4HZ

New Kensington, PA

>   Her...and I'm right there with you on that.  USB isn't a particularly

> good storage interface.



Indeed! I picked up one of these:



http://www.amazon.com/MiniPro-2-5-inch-FireWire-External-Enclosure/dp/B003EMR0WW\

/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1338417302&sr=8-4



USB 2.0, FireWire 400 and FireWire 800 for a 2.5" SATA drive. I've been very

happy with the unit (had it about 2 years). Mostly I use it for moving files

around between my machines and my parents' machines, largely to exchange backup

data. Works fine as a FireWire 400 drive under MacOS 9.2 as well as modern OSes.



Thanks,

Jonathan

 

On 05/30/2012 04:04 PM, Matt Patoray wrote:
> As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at
> other world computing www.macsales.com <http://www.macsales.com> or look
> on ePay for something by LaCie

This isn't as big a deal as many people make it out to be. Anything
that implements the standard USB mass storage profile will work; the
protocols have been fully standardized for many years now. Even more
relevant is the fact that there are only three or four different USB
device-end chipsets used in mass storage devices nowadays, and they all
work on pretty much anything.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

It is running OS X10.4.7.

I have not looked but I am sure I have all of the original disks somewhere.

I appreciate your suggestions.



I was looking at the



1.0TB HGST Ultrastar A7K2000 7200RPM SATA Enterprise Class HD with 32MB Cache.

Energy Efficient, Enterprise Reliability 3.5" Serial ATA 3Gb/1.5Gb Hard Drive

with 5yr HGST Factory Warranty. (0A39289)

Just $119, but it does not specify that it will work with my emac



or



FireWire 800/400, USB 2.0, USB 3.0, eSATA interfaces

Mac and PC compatible - $99



Both of which appear to be a deal compared to my original idea of buying a

second Air Port Express, and reprogram the iomega.



I also think the suggestion to find a vintage mac forum is a good idea.  Please

let me know if you know of one. MARCH was the first user friendly forum I

stumbled into.

I have never used a chat room style forum before but I plan on suggesting the

format to my son's school booster club and our Sunday School for virtual

meetings.



Thank you.

Geekette







--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray <mspatoray@...> wrote:

>

> Well,

>

> It will use either USB 1.1 or FireWire 400, or if u have another mac you can

just get a 6 pin to 6 pin FireWire cable boot the eMac in FireWire target disc

mode and copy over what you want to keep.

>

> As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at other

world computing www.macsales.com or look on ePay for something by LaCie

>

> What version of the MacOS are you running?

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Matt

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On May 30, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dmmmmcom <dmmmmcom@...> wrote:

>

> > I know most of you guys don't know Apples from your blueberry preserves :)

but can someone advise me on buying a new back up storage unit?

> > I want to clean up my emac by first backing it up to an external drive and

then restoring the software. But I am unsure about what to buy?

> > (Just kidding about the fruit...)

> > Thanks,

> > Denise

> >

> > On May 30, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> I'm going to reserve a hotel room. People can chip in later.

> >>

> >> Also HOPE is giving us a locking storage room for overnight. Nobody will

use it but us.

> >>

> > =

> >

>

On 06/01/2012 09:18 PM, dmmmmcom wrote:

> 1.0TB HGST Ultrastar A7K2000 7200RPM SATA Enterprise Class HD with

> 32MB Cache. Energy Efficient, Enterprise Reliability 3.5" Serial ATA

> 3Gb/1.5Gb Hard Drive with 5yr HGST Factory Warranty. (0A39289) Just

> $119, but it does not specify that it will work with my emac



   This sounds to me like an "internal" drive, meaning a drive without a

chassis.  (due to cluelessness, the industry makes the distinction

between "internal" and "external" drives, which is nuts because ALL

drives are "internal"...some of them, however, get put into chassis!)



   Anyway, I thought you were looking for what is generally referred to

as an "external" drive...



> FireWire 800/400, USB 2.0, USB 3.0, eSATA interfaces Mac and PC

> compatible - $99



   ...like this one.  What's the capacity of this one?



   I'm unfamiliar with the eMac hardware; I kinda doubt it has FireWire,

but it's sure to have USB at least.  It certainly doesn't have eSATA.



               -Dave



--

Dave McGuire, AK4HZ

New Kensington, PA

Thanks,

I was just reading over the Mac Twiggy listing on ebay when I Iost track of the

time and it disappeared?

Did anyone see what happened to it?



--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Dave McGuire <Mcguire@...> wrote:

>

> On 06/01/2012 09:18 PM, dmmmmcom wrote:

> > 1.0TB HGST Ultrastar A7K2000 7200RPM SATA Enterprise Class HD with

> > 32MB Cache. Energy Efficient, Enterprise Reliability 3.5" Serial ATA

> > 3Gb/1.5Gb Hard Drive with 5yr HGST Factory Warranty. (0A39289) Just

> > $119, but it does not specify that it will work with my emac

>

>   This sounds to me like an "internal" drive, meaning a drive without a

> chassis.  (due to cluelessness, the industry makes the distinction

> between "internal" and "external" drives, which is nuts because ALL

> drives are "internal"...some of them, however, get put into chassis!)

>

>   Anyway, I thought you were looking for what is generally referred to

> as an "external" drive...

>

> > FireWire 800/400, USB 2.0, USB 3.0, eSATA interfaces Mac and PC

> > compatible - $99

>

>   ...like this one.  What's the capacity of this one?

>

>   I'm unfamiliar with the eMac hardware; I kinda doubt it has FireWire,

> but it's sure to have USB at least.  It certainly doesn't have eSATA.

>

>               -Dave

>

> --

> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ

> New Kensington, PA

>

Well I do have 2 mac books but nothing I can share a back up drive with.



The LeCie designs are sweet! At the risk of sounding really stupid would you

suggest 1TB or 2TBs. I have mostly family photos that need saving.



I will call the company to make sure that it will be emac compatible before I

order.







--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Matt Patoray <mspatoray@...> wrote:

>

> Well,

>

> It will use either USB 1.1 or FireWire 400, or if u have another mac you can

just get a 6 pin to 6 pin FireWire cable boot the eMac in FireWire target disc

mode and copy over what you want to keep.

>

> As for drives you can get something that is guaranteed Mac compatable at other

world computing www.macsales.com or look on ePay for something by LaCie

>

> What version of the MacOS are you running?

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Matt

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On May 30, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dmmmmcom <dmmmmcom@...> wrote:

>

> > I know most of you guys don't know Apples from your blueberry preserves :)

but can someone advise me on buying a new back up storage unit?

> > I want to clean up my emac by first backing it up to an external drive and

then restoring the software. But I am unsure about what to buy?

> > (Just kidding about the fruit...)

> > Thanks,

> > Denise

> >

> > On May 30, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> I'm going to reserve a hotel room. People can chip in later.

> >>

> >> Also HOPE is giving us a locking storage room for overnight. Nobody will

use it but us.

> >>

> > =

> >

>

On 06/01/2012 10:22 PM, dmmmmcom wrote:

> Well I do have 2 mac books but nothing I can share a back up drive with.

>

> The LeCie designs are sweet! At the risk of sounding really stupid would you

suggest 1TB or 2TBs. I have mostly family photos that need saving.



   Well...how much data do you have? ;)



> I will call the company to make sure that it will be emac compatible before I

order.



   Just look at which interfaces the eMac has.  I'm guessing (without

looking it up) that has USB, but no FireWire or eSATA.



              -Dave



--

Dave McGuire, AK4HZ

New Kensington, PA

 

On 06/01/2012 10:22 PM, dmmmmcom wrote:
> Well I do have 2 mac books but nothing I can share a back up drive with.
>
> The LeCie designs are sweet! At the risk of sounding really stupid would you suggest 1TB or 2TBs. I have mostly family photos that need saving.

Well...how much data do you have? ;)

> I will call the company to make sure that it will be emac compatible before I order.

Just look at which interfaces the eMac has. I'm guessing (without
looking it up) that has USB, but no FireWire or eSATA.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

On 06/01/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Patoray wrote:

> The eMac has USB 1.0 and FireWire 400. Internally it uses PATA.



   Well there you have it, thanks to Matt and Ray.



   This being the case, I'd recommend an "external" (grumble) drive with

both USB and FireWire interfaces.  USB really sucks as a mass-storage

interface (despite its near-ubiquitous use as such...but remember,

popularity is the hallmark of mediocrity!), so you'll want to use

FireWire whenever possible, and fall back to USB on systems lacking

FireWire.



            -Dave



--

Dave McGuire, AK4HZ

New Kensington, PA

>> my emac



An eMac is much too new for this discussion list.



It's okay to bring up newer technologies once in a while, but if you do, then be

sure to preface the subject line with "OT:" so people know it's an off-topic

message before they open it.

 

>> my emac

An eMac is much too new for this discussion list.

It's okay to bring up newer technologies once in a while, but if you do, then be sure to preface the subject line with "OT:" so people know it's an off-topic message before they open it.

Okay, I will use OT from now on Evan.
But as time passes the word vintage will continue to attract more people with out of service units of younger age.
Denise



On May 30, 2012, at 4:18 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:

 

>> my emac

An eMac is much too new for this discussion list.

It's okay to bring up newer technologies once in a while, but if you do, then be sure to preface the subject line with "OT:" so people know it's an off-topic message before they open it.

=

>> Okay, I will use OT from now on



Thanks. Remember, it only applies to newer systems, not the toaster Macs.



>> But as time passes the word vintage will continue to attract more people with

out of service units of younger age.



True, and we * gradually * account for that. For example we allowed an SGI

exhibit at VCF East this year. But the eMac launched in 2002. Maybe someday the

whole iMac transition will be considered historic (which is why we have one in

the museum collection -- we'd like to have a museum exhibit one day of "modern

history") but for now it's just a used computer.



I'm sure there are many forums where good help is available for modern Macs.



But as I said, it's not totally banned here (at least once we get to know the

poster, as we have with you.)



It would be different if someone posted about a modern computer with their very

first post, or all the time -- then we'd probably restrict their membership.

 

>> Okay, I will use OT from now on

Thanks. Remember, it only applies to newer systems, not the toaster Macs.

>> But as time passes the word vintage will continue to attract more people with out of service units of younger age.

True, and we * gradually * account for that. For example we allowed an SGI exhibit at VCF East this year. But the eMac launched in 2002. Maybe someday the whole iMac transition will be considered historic (which is why we have one in the museum collection -- we'd like to have a museum exhibit one day of "modern history") but for now it's just a used computer.

I'm sure there are many forums where good help is available for modern Macs.

But as I said, it's not totally banned here (at least once we get to know the poster, as we have with you.)

It would be different if someone posted about a modern computer with their very first post, or all the time -- then we'd probably restrict their membership.

> >An expanded Mac display would be another good attraction someday.



Agreed, when we have the extra space. Right now InfoAge needs * money * to

renovate the larger buildings next door, so they can get a certificate of

occupancy for those buildings, so we can move into them, so we can display more

stuff, so we'll have more visitors....



So ... It'll be a while. Possibly less than a year, but more likely longer.

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:

>

> > >An expanded Mac display would be another good attraction someday.

>

> Agreed, when we have the extra space. Right now InfoAge needs * money * to

renovate the larger buildings next door, so they can get a certificate of

occupancy for those buildings, so we can move into them, so we can display more

stuff, so we'll have more visitors....

>

> So ... It'll be a while. Possibly less than a year, but more likely longer.

>

Staples has (had) a good deal on a 2TB external backup drive this week -

Seagate USB 3.0 (and USB 2.0) GoFlex Desk - compatible with MS Windows 7, Vista,

and XP (32-bit and 64-bit OpSys), and Mac OOS  version 10.5.8 or higher. -

Price?  Just $119!!!!!  Good Hunting!  -  Larry



--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "dmmmmcom" <dmmmmcom@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@> wrote:

> >

> > > >An expanded Mac display would be another good attraction someday.

> >

> > Agreed, when we have the extra space. Right now InfoAge needs * money * to

renovate the larger buildings next door, so they can get a certificate of

occupancy for those buildings, so we can move into them, so we can display more

stuff, so we'll have more visitors....

> >

> > So ... It'll be a while. Possibly less than a year, but more likely longer.

> >

>

Here's a directory with something similar to what we did for HOPE in 2010

http://vintagecomputer.net/PACS/



-------- Original Message --------

> From: "joshbensadon" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:08 PM

> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [midatlanticretro] HOPE

>

> Hi Evan / Bill,

>

> Several months ago you provided a link to your HOPE lecture (Hacking &

Portable Computers).

>

> I got the impression this wasn't your only lecture and was wondering if

you had the other lectures for hope (or other?) recorded?

>

> If so, please, may I download them?

>

> Thanks,

> Josh

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "B. Degnan" <billdeg@...> wrote:

>

> Here's a directory with something similar to what we did for HOPE in 2010

> http://vintagecomputer.net/PACS/







I am guessing you are referring to the PACS Evolution?  Is there an audio

narration to go with that file?  I just really liked how you guys did the HOPE

lecture.  It had a theme, it put you in touch with the perception at the time

and it was chocked full of great bits of historical facts.  As a matter of fact,

there were so many bits that you could count them in bytes!  :)



Josh

>> Is there an audio narration to go with that file?



Someone posted a video/torrent of our 2010 talk. I forget where. It's probably

in the list archive from that timeframe.



There is official audio at http://www.thenexthope.org/talks-list/

Found it, from July 27, 2010:



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/message/17878

I'm curious, how many of you installed a switch to override the need to put a

black tab on the write protect notch?

> I'm curious, how many of you installed a switch to override the need to put a

black tab on the write protect notch?



Have done! Also, I use a Shugart 800 out of an old Tektronix terminal with my

Ohio Scientific Challenger III -- it came with a hardware write protect switch

wired onto the standard Shugart drive board.



Thanks,

Jonathan